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David Stone

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Aug 8, 2012, 9:56:21 AM8/8/12
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On the same day, I ran across two html-related things.

First, this:
<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/forrester-report-u
rges-html5-adoption-says-most-browsers-can-support-it/>

which references this blog post:
<http://blogs.forrester.com/peter_sheldon/12-08-07-html5_maturing_desktop
_browser_support_opens_the_door_to_enhanced_commerce_experiences>

And then this:
http://www.domainsmoon.com/ajm.html

I don't think you could possibly get any further from html5
than the AJM site, short of serving a plain .txt file. What's
really funny is the comment in the script block:

[quote]
<script>
<!-- Hide from old browsers
[/quote]

- sounds like very good advice!

(And yes, I know what it really refers to, but it's still funny!)

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 10:41:52 AM8/8/12
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David Stone wrote:
> On the same day, I ran across two html-related things.
>
> First, this:
> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/forrester-report-u
> rges-html5-adoption-says-most-browsers-can-support-it/>
>

"Nearly 75 percent of users in North America run HTML5-compatible browsers."

Well if your website is a personal one and serves the USA maybe. What
business wouldn't mind chasing away *a minimum* of 25% of their
customers especially in this current "booming" world economy?

> which references this blog post:
> <http://blogs.forrester.com/peter_sheldon/12-08-07-html5_maturing_desktop
> _browser_support_opens_the_door_to_enhanced_commerce_experiences>
>

I think we can finally dump IE4 and Netscape layers support. As long as
Windows XP is still out in the wild in significant numbers, commercial
websites need to be conservative with respect to code, despite the
attractive features of HTML5. The beading-edge is fun and great for
personal sites. For commercial I would say you can use it if you design
in a way that non-supporting browsers degrade gracefully. I think the
last thing you want to do is fork the bejeezes in your code. <shudder> I
would like to forget the if-document.all-elseif-document.layers-else days!

> And then this:
> http://www.domainsmoon.com/ajm.html
>
> I don't think you could possibly get any further from html5
> than the AJM site, short of serving a plain .txt file. What's
> really funny is the comment in the script block:
>
> [quote]
> <script>
> <!-- Hide from old browsers
> [/quote]
>
> - sounds like very good advice!
>
> (And yes, I know what it really refers to, but it's still funny!)
>

Better:

<!--
<html>

...

</html>
-->

BTW can you MT-NewsWatcher folks get your clients to wrap URL properly?

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Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 10:47:50 AM8/8/12
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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> BTW can you MT-NewsWatcher folks get your clients to wrap URL properly?

Okay I think I see what the problem is by peeking at headers

MT-NewsWatcher
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Others like my SeaMonkey:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Can you not set format flowed in MT-NewsWatcher?

David Stone

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Aug 8, 2012, 11:02:07 AM8/8/12
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In article <jvtu6r$n22$2...@dont-email.me>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> > BTW can you MT-NewsWatcher folks get your clients to wrap URL properly?
>
> Okay I think I see what the problem is by peeking at headers
>
> MT-NewsWatcher
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Others like my SeaMonkey:
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Can you not set format flowed in MT-NewsWatcher?

I can't see any obvious setting in preferences to achieve that.
I'm experimenting with this reply to see what un-checking the
"Wrap message" checkbox does to the headers.

I'll include one of those longer-than-72-chars URLs to do so:
<http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/forrester-report-urges-html5-adoption-says-most-browsers-can-support-it/>

David Stone

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Aug 8, 2012, 11:06:20 AM8/8/12
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Following up to my test post...

In article <no.email-D45EC9...@news.eternal-september.org>,
David Stone <no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:

> In article <jvtu6r$n22$2...@dont-email.me>,
> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> > > BTW can you MT-NewsWatcher folks get your clients to wrap URL properly?

No, doesn't look like it. You can set the number of characters at which
line-wrapping occurs, but that's it - no other options available for
text format that I can see.

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 11:31:55 AM8/8/12
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Works here...

But your header content type is still not set:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 11:35:14 AM8/8/12
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When then breaks the link in your quote. MT-NewsWatcher is injected a
hard return at the 72-chars wrap point which breaks the link.

Andreas Prilop

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Aug 8, 2012, 11:52:14 AM8/8/12
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, David Stone wrote:

> I'll include one of those longer-than-72-chars URLs to do so:
> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/forrester-report-urges-html5-adoption-says-most-browsers-can-support-it/>

Okay!

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Warren Oates

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Aug 8, 2012, 11:55:09 AM8/8/12
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In article <no.email-920D27...@news.eternal-september.org>,
David Stone <no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:

> And then this:
> http://www.domainsmoon.com/ajm.html

Good lord. It looks like a K-tel ad. "But wait, there's more ..."
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Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 11:56:34 AM8/8/12
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<googles>

Hmmm, seems to be a lot of posts about MT-NewsWatcher breaking long URLs
regardless of inserting inside <>. I found a lot of complaints but no
answers. :-( I don't think link reduction redirectors is the answer
because of the abuse. Maybe another news client if they won't fix it?

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 11:58:32 AM8/8/12
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Andreas Prilop wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, David Stone wrote:
>
>> I'll include one of those longer-than-72-chars URLs to do so:
>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/forrester-report-urges-html5-adoption-says-most-browsers-can-support-it/>
>
> Okay!
>

But breaks when he replies to his own post.

Andreas Prilop

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Aug 8, 2012, 12:06:10 PM8/8/12
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On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>>> I'll include one of those longer-than-72-chars URLs to do so:
>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/forrester-report-urges-html5-adoption-says-most-browsers-can-support-it/>
>>
>> Okay!
>
> But breaks when he replies to his own post.

That is only a minor problem.

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Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 12:26:08 PM8/8/12
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Andreas Prilop wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>
>>>> I'll include one of those longer-than-72-chars URLs to do so:
>>>> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/forrester-report-urges-html5-adoption-says-most-browsers-can-support-it/>
>>>
>>> Okay!
>>
>> But breaks when he replies to his own post.
>
> That is only a minor problem.
>

Except it renders the link useless without copying to some text editor
to manually fix the hard returns. The link above still works because
MT-NewsWatcher hasn't touched it again.
Message has been deleted

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 12:42:52 PM8/8/12
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Tim Streater wrote:

> It's the quoting in the middle that then breaks it, but I'd expect that
> anyway. That long URL worked fine in the first five or so posts
> containing it.
>

But it is not broken in other clients even when in deeply nested quotes.
Also many of the MT-NewsWatcher posts the URL were broken in the
original post!
Message has been deleted

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 1:23:09 PM8/8/12
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Tim Streater wrote:
> In article <jvu4uj$3oe$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Tim Streater wrote:
>>
>> > It's the quoting in the middle that then breaks it, but I'd expect that
>> > anyway. That long URL worked fine in the first five or so posts
>> > containing it.
>>
>> But it is not broken in other clients even when in deeply nested quotes.
>
> That may well be but I can't get excited about it.
>
>> Also many of the MT-NewsWatcher posts the URL were broken in the
>> original post!
>
> Not IME.
>

How about the 2 links in this thread's OP?

dorayme

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Aug 8, 2012, 6:45:40 PM8/8/12
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In article
<no.email-E74104...@news.eternal-september.org>,
David Stone <no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:

> You can set the number of characters at which
> line-wrapping occurs, but that's it - no other options available for
> text format that I can see.

You can untick the wrap but that is horrible for composing, the words
disappearing off to the left and scrollbars to get them back!

--
dorayme

dorayme

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Aug 8, 2012, 7:08:42 PM8/8/12
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In article <jvttrm$n22$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> BTW can you MT-NewsWatcher folks get your clients to wrap URL properly?

In the manual for MTW, there is this about 'Wrap Text':

"By default, the text in message windows wraps as you type, like a
normal word processor (this is called soft-wrapping). The text wraps
to the width specified in the Wrap width text field. The message gets
sent with this same wrapping. If you don't want text to wrap, so that
you can type or paste long lines of text without wrapping, turn this
option off. You should only do this if you have good reason to."

By the way, when looking at a post through the Google interface in a
browser, the long URLs you are complaining about, in the angle
brackets, are wrapped but open fine on simple normal clicking. That is
surely OS independent?

--
dorayme

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 7:22:17 PM8/8/12
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Well my suggestions to switch to a newsreader that actually works as a
newsreader. ;-)

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 8, 2012, 7:23:35 PM8/8/12
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No, because I looked the same with Pan under Ubuntu.

tlvp

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Aug 8, 2012, 8:37:21 PM8/8/12
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 09:56:21 -0400, David Stone wrote:

> really funny is the comment in the script block:
>
> [quote]
> <script>
> <!-- Hide from old browsers

Alas, that didn't work -- I'm a pretty old browser, and I very much regret
that it did *not* hide from me :-) . (And I'd thought BLINK was bad (!) .)

Cheers, -- tlvp
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tlvp

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Aug 8, 2012, 8:44:05 PM8/8/12
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On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:02:07 -0400, David Stone wrote:

> ...
> I can't see any obvious setting in preferences to achieve that.
> I'm experimenting with this reply to see what un-checking the
> "Wrap message" checkbox does to the headers.
>
> I'll include one of those longer-than-72-chars URLs to do so:
> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/08/forrester-report-urges-html5-adoption-says-most-browsers-can-support-it/>

FWiW: As received here with 40tude Dialog, that long URL arrived unbroken,
as it should. And is likely to be sent back out in this reply unbroken too.
What happens after that, though, depends on *your* news-*reader*.

HTH. Cheers, -- tlvp

Denis McMahon

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Aug 8, 2012, 8:51:02 PM8/8/12
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well the one you quoted arrived here ok ....

Rgds

Denis McMahon

Denis McMahon

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Aug 8, 2012, 8:54:40 PM8/8/12
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Now this is interesting

The first time I quote the message, it appears to have had a newline
inserted to break the url, but pan handles it ok.

However, when I quote it again, I see that pan has put a quoted text
marker at the start of the line, so I wonder if the url in this post will
be broken now.

Rgds

Denis McMahon

Denis McMahon

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Aug 8, 2012, 8:56:46 PM8/8/12
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Nope, pan was still able to open the link, despite the fact it was
wrapped and had "\n> " inserted in the middle of the link ....

Rgds

Denis McMahon

Warren Oates

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Aug 9, 2012, 6:50:11 AM8/9/12
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In article <jvusbe$raq$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article
> > <no.email-E74104...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Stone <no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> You can set the number of characters at which
> >> line-wrapping occurs, but that's it - no other options available for
> >> text format that I can see.
> >
> > You can untick the wrap but that is horrible for composing, the words
> > disappearing off to the left and scrollbars to get them back!
> >
>
> Well my suggestions to switch to a newsreader that actually works as a
> newsreader. ;-)

Nope.

Warren Oates

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Aug 9, 2012, 6:51:02 AM8/9/12
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In article <jvusds$raq$2...@dont-email.me>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article <jvttrm$n22$1...@dont-email.me>,
> > "Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> BTW can you MT-NewsWatcher folks get your clients to wrap URL properly?
> >
> > In the manual for MTW, there is this about 'Wrap Text':
> >
> > "By default, the text in message windows wraps as you type, like a
> > normal word processor (this is called soft-wrapping). The text wraps
> > to the width specified in the Wrap width text field. The message gets
> > sent with this same wrapping. If you don't want text to wrap, so that
> > you can type or paste long lines of text without wrapping, turn this
> > option off. You should only do this if you have good reason to."
> >
> > By the way, when looking at a post through the Google interface in a
> > browser, the long URLs you are complaining about, in the angle
> > brackets, are wrapped but open fine on simple normal clicking. That is
> > surely OS independent?
> >
>
> No, because I looked the same with Pan under Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware is too difficult."

dorayme

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In article <502395e3$0$11965$c3e8da3$cc4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <jvusbe$raq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > dorayme wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <no.email-E74104...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Stone <no.e...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > >> You can set the number of characters at which
> > >> line-wrapping occurs, but that's it - no other options available for
> > >> text format that I can see.
> > >
> > > You can untick the wrap but that is horrible for composing, the words
> > > disappearing off to the left and scrollbars to get them back!
> > >
> >
> > Well my suggestions to switch to a newsreader that actually works as a
> > newsreader. ;-)

Jonathan, do you make a habit generally of suggesting that people
chuck their assets because of some fault that annoys you?

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dorayme

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 9, 2012, 9:25:55 AM8/9/12
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To folks who tell me that I need to but a Mac ;-) <poke> <poke>

But seriously, it is not catastrophic but it does make your posts
problematic if the links are important to your point. And it is not
uncommon for "suggestions" to folks who use OE or GG that fail at
quoting and signature delimiters....

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 9, 2012, 9:31:42 AM8/9/12
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You know Dan C?

Jukka K. Korpela

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Aug 9, 2012, 4:20:47 PM8/9/12
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2012-08-08 16:56, David Stone wrote:

> On the same day, I ran across two html-related things.
>
> First, this:
[...]
> which references this blog post:
[...]
> And then this:

If you are trying to make a point, quote or paraphrase the relevant
statements from the pages you are referring to. Just throwing URLs at
people is pointless.

And I'm sure that if I ever encountered something extreme in the realm
of HTML, I could soup up a better heading than "HTML Extremes".

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dorayme

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In article <k00dp2$98a$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article <502395e3$0$11965$c3e8da3$cc4f...@news.astraweb.com>,
> > Warren Oates <warren...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <jvusbe$raq$1...@dont-email.me>,
> >> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
>
>
> >>>
> >>> Well my suggestions to switch to a newsreader that actually works as a
> >>> newsreader. ;-)
> >
> > Jonathan, do you make a habit generally of suggesting that people
> > chuck their assets because of some fault that annoys you?
> >
>
> To folks who tell me that I need to but a Mac ;-) <poke> <poke>
>

So, that is what is behind it! Methinks the man doth protest too much.
And is seriously conflicted and tempted at the same time.


> But seriously, it is not catastrophic but it does make your posts
> problematic if the links are important to your point. And it is not
> uncommon for "suggestions" to folks who use OE or GG that fail at
> quoting and signature delimiters....

I have already said what can be done to combat the long URLs and made
an intention about the matter (see a post of mine at alt.html) and it
is good that you to drew attention to the issue.

But, seriously, if we have to be serious, think of the bright side of
broken urls due to such wraps: if those who can piece it together from
those who cannot is needed for some purpose, it becomes a useful tool,
right? And guess which newsreader has this tool naturally? Yep, the
wonderful Mac MTW.

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dorayme

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 9, 2012, 7:58:06 PM8/9/12
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dorayme wrote:
> But, seriously, if we have to be serious, think of the bright side of
> broken urls due to such wraps: if those who can piece it together from
> those who cannot is needed for some purpose, it becomes a useful tool,
> right? And guess which newsreader has this tool naturally? Yep, the
> wonderful Mac MTW.

Hmmm, so they include a tool that fixes what they break? I think I'll
choose the newsreader that does not break them in the first place ;-)

dorayme

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Aug 9, 2012, 8:54:05 PM8/9/12
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In article <k01iqe$pcg$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > But, seriously, if we have to be serious, think of the bright side of
> > broken urls due to such wraps: if those who can piece it together from
> > those who cannot is needed for some purpose, it becomes a useful tool,
> > right? And guess which newsreader has this tool naturally? Yep, the
> > wonderful Mac MTW.
>
> Hmmm, so they include a tool that fixes what they break?

No, the tool cannot fix the distinction between those *people* who can
piece together a wrapped url and those who cannot. It is more like a
ferret sent down a rabbit hole, it flushes the rabbits out but not
other creatures. You are seriously underestimating MTW here, Jonathan.
Time to jump the fence, mate.

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dorayme

tlvp

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:31:42 -0400, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

>> Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware is too difficult."
>>
>
> You know Dan C?

Who hasn't encountered Antsy Pantsy DanC, and his Fancy Dancy Nancy?

tlvp

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On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:20:47 +0300, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:

> ... throwing URLs at
> people ...

Also known as URL-hurling :-) . With my compliments. Cheers, -- tlvp

Jonathan N. Little

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tlvp wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:31:42 -0400, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>
>>> Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware is too difficult."
>>>
>>
>> You know Dan C?
>
> Who hasn't encountered Antsy Pantsy DanC, and his Fancy Dancy Nancy?
>

Check my headers.

tlvp

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On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:33:53 -0400, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

> Path: n102.xanadu-bbs.net!optima5.xanadu-bbs.net!optima11.xanadu-bbs.net!optima2.xanadu-bbs.net!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
> From: "Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html
> Subject: Re: HTML Extremes
> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2012 09:33:53 -0400
> Organization: LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
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> Message-ID: <k032ju$ukf$2...@dont-email.me>
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> tlvp wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 09:31:42 -0400, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>
>>>> Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware is too difficult."
>>>>
>>>
>>> You know Dan C?
>>
>> Who hasn't encountered Antsy Pantsy DanC, and his Fancy Dancy Nancy?
>>
>
> Check my headers.

Nice to see SeaMonkey lets you customize X-headers so. Cheers, -- tlvp

dorayme

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In article <hry5udaxxf55.1t174zpvkcnxz$.d...@40tude.net>,
tlvp <mPiOsUcB...@att.net> wrote:

> X-headers

Interesting to see how aesthetic demand trumps 'logical' order in your
x-face.

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dorayme

tlvp

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Aug 10, 2012, 7:50:48 PM8/10/12
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On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 07:59:08 +1000, dorayme wrote:

> Interesting to see how aesthetic demand trumps 'logical' order in your
> x-face.

Absolutely! Aesthetic demand trumps all :-) !
(And even makes the new order seem logical.)

Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn

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Aug 12, 2012, 7:07:06 AM8/12/12
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Warren Oates wrote:

> Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware is too difficult."

No, it is not: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)>
But you probably knew that already.


PointedEars, not using Ubuntu Linux either
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

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Aug 12, 2012, 7:39:09 AM8/12/12
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:

> Warren Oates wrote:
>
>> Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware is too difficult."
>
> No, it is not: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)> But
> you probably knew that already.

Whoosh!

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Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 12, 2012, 10:01:25 AM8/12/12
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
>> Warren Oates wrote:
>>
>>> Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware is too difficult."
>>
>> No, it is not: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)> But
>> you probably knew that already.
>
> Whoosh!
>

It also helps to know Dan C!

Warren Oates

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Aug 12, 2012, 10:16:20 AM8/12/12
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In article <k084kt$8pu$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.non...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>
> > Warren Oates wrote:
> >
> >> Ubuntu is an African word meaning "Slackware is too difficult."
> >
> > No, it is not: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(philosophy)> But
> > you probably knew that already.
>
> Whoosh!

Yeah, really.

tlvp

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Aug 13, 2012, 2:39:28 AM8/13/12
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:01:25 -0400, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

> It also helps to know Dan C!

Thanks, Jonathan, but no thanks :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
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dorayme

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Aug 27, 2012, 9:03:28 PM8/27/12
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In article <timstreater-E72A...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> ... You might include an x-face there too, for fun.
> You too, dorayme.

If you insist! Though my shtick these days is to project a low
profile, my enemies being everywhere, my bodyguards getting too
expensive. They went on strike on the weekend, I was immediately set
upon by a gang (the remnants of TBG actually) to within an inch of my
miserable life.

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dorayme

dorayme

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Aug 27, 2012, 9:07:48 PM8/27/12
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In article <timstreater-E72A...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> You might include an x-face there too, for fun.
> You too, dorayme.

Is there a way to see what the x-face is without actually posting a
message, my clipboard has a mind of its own.

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dorayme

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 27, 2012, 10:27:35 PM8/27/12
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<http://www.dairiki.org/xface/>

dorayme

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Aug 28, 2012, 2:50:25 AM8/28/12
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In article <k1haba$j8$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
> > In article <timstreater-E72A...@news.individual.net>,
> > Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> >
> >> You might include an x-face there too, for fun.
> >> You too, dorayme.
> >
> > Is there a way to see what the x-face is without actually posting a
> > message, my clipboard has a mind of its own.
> >
>
> <http://www.dairiki.org/xface/>

Yes, as it happens, I used that and, yes, there, you can see what you
should get. I meant, perhaps rather too hopefully, in my newsreader
somehow, before posting. Thanks anyway, it does not matter now.

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dorayme

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 28, 2012, 8:32:21 AM8/28/12
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Well you know my opinion of MT-NewsWatcher ;-)

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 28, 2012, 9:47:57 AM8/28/12
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How about this one ;-)

X-Face:
%lVN@)2<1\`&$@;<JDw%$?Lq(;04LG]OLcfC]%KHr~v)ooEQckZo,<|Tcqa7z,h$F<_NVrh4-Sbp(8]w!he3y~-9o7_hEs]Pwxu{E+O;U\?FB:_Q+[HR)=P<HxZKW}%q|1Ri/L5}!QP'w{f8qa4kP&?(5!&vX[efGu#Zm)[{t"~W!N#'qC

David Stone

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Aug 28, 2012, 11:04:04 AM8/28/12
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In article <timstreater-09D1...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:

> In article <jvtu6r$n22$2...@dont-email.me>,
> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> > > BTW can you MT-NewsWatcher folks get your clients to wrap URL properly?
> >
> > Okay I think I see what the problem is by peeking at headers
> >
> > MT-NewsWatcher
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > Others like my SeaMonkey:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Can you not set format flowed in MT-NewsWatcher?
>
> Yes. And mine already has format=flowed.

How? My copy seems to have format=flawed...
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David Stone

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Aug 28, 2012, 2:07:56 PM8/28/12
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In article <timstreater-E65D...@news.individual.net>,
Tim Streater <timst...@greenbee.net> wrote:
> In article <no.email-2EB601...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> I mean that in my Extra Headers I've got, inter alia:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

So if you write that in as an extra header, it automatically
over-writes the default MT-NW Content-Type header for UTF-8
encoded posts? Does that actually MAKE the content format
flowed? (Sorry if that's an odd question, but I'm not up on
Content-Type headers for news posts...)
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dorayme

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Aug 28, 2012, 7:54:44 PM8/28/12
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In article <k1ii71$gvs$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote:

> dorayme wrote:
...
> > Yes, as it happens, I used that and...
>
> How about this one ;-)
>
> X-Face:
> %lVN@)2<1\`&$@;<JDw%$?Lq(;04LG]OLcfC]%KHr~v)ooEQckZo,<|Tcqa7z,h$F<_NVrh4-Sbp(8
> ]w!he3y~-9o7_hEs]Pwxu{E+O;U\?FB:_Q+[HR)=P<HxZKW}%q|1Ri/L5}!QP'w{f8qa4kP&?(5!&v
> X[efGu#Zm)[{t"~W!N#'qC

How many ETs do you think there are on earth? If I used that one I
would be immediately identified by my enemies on my home planet.

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dorayme

Jonathan N. Little

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Aug 28, 2012, 7:57:15 PM8/28/12
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:-)

tlvp

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Aug 29, 2012, 1:54:50 AM8/29/12
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 22:27:35 -0400, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

> ... <http://www.dairiki.org/xface/> ...

I'd found that once, Jonathan, and promptly lost it again.
So thanks for finding it again for [doray]me :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
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