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Adrienne Boswell
Sep 19, 2011, 5:17:26 PM9/19/11
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Just when I thought it was safe to sort of like IE9...
I created a page <http://adrienneboswell.com/smart2click/> that's all
done up in HTML5 with the new semantic elements, like header, footer,
section, etc., and CSS3 for a coupon of the day.
It renders beautifully in Opera and Firefox, but IE looks like it threw
up after a really nasty hang-over. Bleh! I'm not surprised IE9 doesn't
know the new elements, but it should still obey the CSS that's being
used.
I'm going to go pick up my son now, then I'm going to come back and
change those elements to div so that IE can understand.
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Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
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I created a page <http://adrienneboswell.com/smart2click/> that's all
done up in HTML5 with the new semantic elements, like header, footer,
section, etc., and CSS3 for a coupon of the day.
It renders beautifully in Opera and Firefox, but IE looks like it threw
up after a really nasty hang-over. Bleh! I'm not surprised IE9 doesn't
know the new elements, but it should still obey the CSS that's being
used.
I'm going to go pick up my son now, then I'm going to come back and
change those elements to div so that IE can understand.
--
Adrienne Boswell at Home
Arbpen Web Site Design Services
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share
Jonathan N. Little
Sep 19, 2011, 7:08:37 PM9/19/11
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Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> Just when I thought it was safe to sort of like IE9...
>
> I created a page<http://adrienneboswell.com/smart2click/> that's all
> done up in HTML5 with the new semantic elements, like header, footer,
> section, etc., and CSS3 for a coupon of the day.
>
> It renders beautifully in Opera and Firefox, but IE looks like it threw
> up after a really nasty hang-over. Bleh! I'm not surprised IE9 doesn't
> know the new elements, but it should still obey the CSS that's being
> used.
>
What? I am not an IE fan but looks the same as Firefox 6 here. Now IE8
> Just when I thought it was safe to sort of like IE9...
>
> I created a page<http://adrienneboswell.com/smart2click/> that's all
> done up in HTML5 with the new semantic elements, like header, footer,
> section, etc., and CSS3 for a coupon of the day.
>
> It renders beautifully in Opera and Firefox, but IE looks like it threw
> up after a really nasty hang-over. Bleh! I'm not surprised IE9 doesn't
> know the new elements, but it should still obey the CSS that's being
> used.
>
is another matter for XP folks.
--
Take care,
Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com
Adrienne Boswell
Sep 19, 2011, 7:50:43 PM9/19/11
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Adrienne Boswell <arb...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Just when I thought it was safe to sort of like IE9...
>
> I created a page <http://adrienneboswell.com/smart2click/> that's all
> done up in HTML5 with the new semantic elements, like header, footer,
> section, etc., and CSS3 for a coupon of the day.
>
> It renders beautifully in Opera and Firefox, but IE looks like it threw
> up after a really nasty hang-over. Bleh! I'm not surprised IE9
doesn't
> know the new elements, but it should still obey the CSS that's being
> used.
>
> I'm going to go pick up my son now, then I'm going to come back and
> change those elements to div so that IE can understand.
>
It's okay, IE was in compatibility mode. Once I turned that off, it
looks fine.
> Just when I thought it was safe to sort of like IE9...
>
> I created a page <http://adrienneboswell.com/smart2click/> that's all
> done up in HTML5 with the new semantic elements, like header, footer,
> section, etc., and CSS3 for a coupon of the day.
>
> It renders beautifully in Opera and Firefox, but IE looks like it threw
> up after a really nasty hang-over. Bleh! I'm not surprised IE9
doesn't
> know the new elements, but it should still obey the CSS that's being
> used.
>
> I'm going to go pick up my son now, then I'm going to come back and
> change those elements to div so that IE can understand.
>
looks fine.
Jonathan N. Little
Sep 19, 2011, 8:03:07 PM9/19/11
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Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> It's okay, IE was in compatibility mode. Once I turned that off, it
> looks fine.
Shouldn't that really be called "Broken MS Mode"?
> It's okay, IE was in compatibility mode. Once I turned that off, it
> looks fine.
Stan Brown
Sep 20, 2011, 12:11:07 AM9/20/11
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I nominate this for Best Subject Line of the Week.
:-)
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Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you
:-)
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2.1 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Why We Won't Help You:
http://diveintomark.org/archives/2003/05/05/why_we_wont_help_you
Jukka K. Korpela
Sep 20, 2011, 12:15:24 AM9/20/11
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20.9.2011 2:50, Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> It's okay, IE was in compatibility mode. Once I turned that off, it
> looks fine.
Now allow for ten years to IE 8 and older to die away, and you'll be
> It's okay, IE was in compatibility mode. Once I turned that off, it
> looks fine.
safe (if you use "the new semantic elements" of HTML5 when authoring for
the WWW).
I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested. Your page
starts with <!DOCTYPE html>. Well, there's a blank line before it, and
it might cause some trouble, but not to IE 9 I guess. I suppose you had
played with the IE settings (via the "developer tools" in IE?).
--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Adrienne Boswell
Sep 20, 2011, 9:50:49 AM9/20/11
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"Jukka K. Korpela" <jkor...@cs.tut.fi> wrote
> I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested.
Seriously? I have a cat that likes to walk across my keyboard. Every so
often she changes settings on various browsers. For example, the other
day, she disabled spell check on Opera. Go figure.
> I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested.
often she changes settings on various browsers. For example, the other
day, she disabled spell check on Opera. Go figure.
Jonathan N. Little
Sep 20, 2011, 12:39:37 PM9/20/11
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Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> "Jukka K. Korpela"<jkor...@cs.tut.fi> wrote
>
>> I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested.
>
> Seriously? I have a cat that likes to walk across my keyboard. Every so
> often she changes settings on various browsers. For example, the other
> day, she disabled spell check on Opera. Go figure.
>
Hmmm the two cats that I have here only once every tried to walk across
> "Jukka K. Korpela"<jkor...@cs.tut.fi> wrote
>
>> I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested.
>
> Seriously? I have a cat that likes to walk across my keyboard. Every so
> often she changes settings on various browsers. For example, the other
> day, she disabled spell check on Opera. Go figure.
>
any part of the computer...totally verboten!!! I've got an even more
evil-glare that they do! ;-)
All kidding aside:
cats + computers = bad things
Just had to rebuild a system for a friend with cats. One "owned" the
warm tower as his personal lounging spot until he leapt once
oh-not-so-gracefully resulting in a tumbling tower...dislodged
heatsink...toaster-over motherboard...new system!
It is also amazing the felt-pad that can accumulate on a heatsink from
cat fur...
Adrienne Boswell
Sep 20, 2011, 12:56:08 PM9/20/11
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"Jonathan N. Little" <lws...@gmail.com> wrote
> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>> "Jukka K. Korpela"<jkor...@cs.tut.fi> wrote
>>
>>> I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested.
>>
>> Seriously? I have a cat that likes to walk across my keyboard.
>> Every so often she changes settings on various browsers. For
>> example, the other day, she disabled spell check on Opera. Go
>> figure.
>>
>
>
> Hmmm the two cats that I have here only once every tried to walk
> across any part of the computer...totally verboten!!! I've got an even
> more evil-glare that they do! ;-)
>
> All kidding aside:
>
> cats + computers = bad things
>
> Just had to rebuild a system for a friend with cats. One "owned" the
> warm tower as his personal lounging spot until he leapt once
> oh-not-so-gracefully resulting in a tumbling tower...dislodged
> heatsink...toaster-over motherboard...new system!
>
> It is also amazing the felt-pad that can accumulate on a heatsink from
> cat fur...
>
Rolo doesn't go near the tower, she just likes to sleep beside the
keyboard, and every once in a while, there will be bird in the bush right
outside the window, which means she'll walk across the keyboard.
Cat fur? Don't even talk! Rolo is a Maine Coon, and since this year was
really warm, she shed all of her thick winter coat. I've found fur in
all sorts of places. I'll be glad when winter comes and she'll have her
luxuriously thick coat back again. Maybe next summer I'll take her for a
lion cut.
> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>> "Jukka K. Korpela"<jkor...@cs.tut.fi> wrote
>>
>>> I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested.
>>
>> Seriously? I have a cat that likes to walk across my keyboard.
>> Every so often she changes settings on various browsers. For
>> example, the other day, she disabled spell check on Opera. Go
>> figure.
>>
>
>
> Hmmm the two cats that I have here only once every tried to walk
> across any part of the computer...totally verboten!!! I've got an even
> more evil-glare that they do! ;-)
>
> All kidding aside:
>
> cats + computers = bad things
>
> Just had to rebuild a system for a friend with cats. One "owned" the
> warm tower as his personal lounging spot until he leapt once
> oh-not-so-gracefully resulting in a tumbling tower...dislodged
> heatsink...toaster-over motherboard...new system!
>
> It is also amazing the felt-pad that can accumulate on a heatsink from
> cat fur...
>
keyboard, and every once in a while, there will be bird in the bush right
outside the window, which means she'll walk across the keyboard.
Cat fur? Don't even talk! Rolo is a Maine Coon, and since this year was
really warm, she shed all of her thick winter coat. I've found fur in
all sorts of places. I'll be glad when winter comes and she'll have her
luxuriously thick coat back again. Maybe next summer I'll take her for a
lion cut.
Eric Bednarz
Sep 21, 2011, 5:46:24 AM9/21/11
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"Jukka K. Korpela" <jkor...@cs.tut.fi> writes:
> I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested. Your page
> starts with <!DOCTYPE html>. Well, there's a blank line before it, and
> it might cause some trouble, but not to IE 9 I guess. I suppose you
> had played with the IE settings (via the "developer tools" in IE?).
There’s a lot of possibilities, e.g. the site might be in Microsoft’s
> I wonder why IE 9 was in compatibility mode when you tested. Your page
> starts with <!DOCTYPE html>. Well, there's a blank line before it, and
> it might cause some trouble, but not to IE 9 I guess. I suppose you
> had played with the IE settings (via the "developer tools" in IE?).
list of sites that should ne displayed in compatibility view, or the
option ‘Display all websites in Compatibility View’ option might be
checked.
C.f. <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff955410%28v=vs.85%29.aspx>
But it is much more plausible that the destroy button, conveniently
located next to the refresh button in the address bar (here’s to good
user interface design), has been accidently used. Happens all the
time, and the list of sites that have been added to compatibility view
is unlikely to ever be discovered and screened for false positives by
average users.
The only way I know (is there another one?) to opt out of the destroy
button as an author (and I think that’s recommendable) is setting the
X-UA-Compatible header(-substitute), which leads to the question which
value to use. The only reasonable one – for this purpose – is ‘IE-Edge’.
Microsoft disagrees:
| Because edge mode documents display webpages using the highest mode
| available to the version of Internet Explorer used to view them, it is
| recommended that you use this document mode for testing purposes
| only. Do not use it for production uses.
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288325%28v=vs.85%29.aspx>
But then, where did I hear that before?
| In standards-compliant mode, compatibility with other versions of
| Internet Explorer is not guaranteed. When standards-compliant mode is
| switched on, the rendering behavior of documents might differ in future
| versions of Internet Explorer. You should not use this mode for content
| that is fixed in nature, such as content that is stored on a CD.
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb250395%28v=vs.85%29.aspx>
Darn those pesky future versions.
Jukka K. Korpela
Sep 21, 2011, 6:33:14 AM9/21/11
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21.9.2011 12:46, Eric Bednarz wrote:
> But it is much more plausible that the destroy button, conveniently
> located next to the refresh button in the address bar (here’s to good
> user interface design), has been accidently used.
Wait a minute… make it two… are you saying that the nice little icon
> But it is much more plausible that the destroy button, conveniently
> located next to the refresh button in the address bar (here’s to good
> user interface design), has been accidently used.
that looks like a broken page, on the left of the refresh button, on IE,
does not simply do what its tooltip suggests, i.e. just set the current
page display to compatibility mode? Are you suggesting that it also puts
the entire domain into a nasty hidden list of sites that will be
displayed in compatibity mode?
> Happens all the
> time, and the list of sites that have been added to compatibility view
> is unlikely to ever be discovered and screened for false positives by
> average users.
might have done somethat that evil? What _can_ we trust on if not
Microsoft??
--
Yucca, http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/
Eric Bednarz
Sep 23, 2011, 4:56:40 PM9/23/11
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> 21.9.2011 12:46, Eric Bednarz wrote:
> What _can_ we trust on if not Microsoft??
Oracle comes to mind.
> What _can_ we trust on if not Microsoft??
tlvp
Oct 17, 2011, 12:28:26 AM10/17/11
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On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 13:33:14 +0300, Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
> ...
> ... What _can_ we trust on if not
> Microsoft??
According to much US currency, "In God We Trust."
And according to many taverns, "Others Pay Cash."
I believe Microsoft is in the taverns' camp, and
likewise does not trust, but insists on its cash.
Anent trusting Microsoft, I'm in the currency camp.
Cheers :-) . -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
> ...
> ... What _can_ we trust on if not
> Microsoft??
According to much US currency, "In God We Trust."
And according to many taverns, "Others Pay Cash."
I believe Microsoft is in the taverns' camp, and
likewise does not trust, but insists on its cash.
Anent trusting Microsoft, I'm in the currency camp.
Cheers :-) . -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.
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