Interpedia FAQ
R L Samuell
INTERPEDIA FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
January 17, 1994
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<after it is formed>
made available by anonymous ftp from:
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made available by gopher from:
CIS Department, University of Alabama at Birmhingham
The Gopher Bookmark is:
NAME = The Interpedia Project
HOST = twinbrook.cis.uab.edu
PORT = 70
PATH = interped.70
TYPE = 1
made available as part of the Interpedia
(When the Interpedia gets underway)
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On approx. Nov 17, 1993, Doug Wilson posted to the interpedia list
what he suggested could be a draft version of a faq. His original
draft faq and his many suggestions have contributed greatly to
this document.
Please feel free to make suggestions about the current version.
We could use suggestions about additional topics that you think
ought to be covered. Also, if you think of something that ought
to be added to a topic already in the faq please send me a note
about it.
As the moderator of the faq I will field suggestions, make
additions/corrections/modifications and post the faq.
Please send the a/c/m to me at:
med...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Alan M. Reynard)
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RECENT CHANGES TO THE FAQ
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01/15/93
Subject 1.3 Added note on .gz files.
Subject 2.7 Added Bob McWhirter's project.
Added Greg McMullan's project.
Subject 4.4 Added to items.
Subject 5.1 Added the JHSI project.
Corrected the reference to the home page of the
Principia Cybernetica project.
Subject 5.2 Added more names.
Subject 5.3 Added reference to list of abbreviations and acronyms.
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CONTENTS
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Section 1: General Interpedia Questions
1.1 Who originated the idea of the Interpedia, where did the
name come from, and what is a little of its history?
1.2 What is the Interpedia?
1.3 Where can I communicate with people working on the project
and where can I get information about the Interpedia?
1.4 Where can additional information be found about subjects
that relate to the Interpedia?
Section 2: Accessing the Interpedia
2.1 How will people access the Interpedia?
2.2 What are browsers?
2.3 What is WWW?
2.4 What gopher?
2.5 What is WAIS?
2.6 Why bother with new software?
2.7 What is the current stat of development of
Interpedia-specific software?
Section 3: Article submission and editing
3.1 How can I submit an article to the Interpedia?
3.2 In what form will articles be acceptable?
3.3 Why bother with new text, why not just use existing
material from various online sources?
3.4 Who will pick the articles?
3.5 What will be the process of editing articles and what will be
the responsibilities of the editors?
3.5.1 Who can be an editor on the Interpedia Project?
3.5.2 What will their responsibilities be to the Project?
3.5.3 How will editors communicate with one another?
3.5.4 How often and how much will editors work on the Interpedia?
3.5.5 Will all this work be voluntary?
3.5.6 What if more than one editor works in the same area?
3.5.7 What would an editor's work consist of?
3.5.8 When can editors start work on the Interpedia?
Section 4: Classification, Seals, Copyright, etc
4.1 One of the principle topics is classification. What is
the current status of proposed classification schemes?
4.2 What are Seals of Approval?
4.3 What is a default, and why do we need defaults?
4.4 What are the copyright issues?
4.5 How will people be protected from having to view unwanted
materials?
Section 5: Other projects, Volunteers, Glossary
5.1 What other projects are there that parallel or complement
the Interpedia Project?
5.2 Who are the individuals who have volunteered to do
specific tasks?
5.3 What are some terms used in this project and their
definitions (a glossary)?
Section 6: The EB11 Project
6.1 Is there an EB11 mailing list?
6.2 What is the history of the EB11 project?
6.3 Why use the EB11?
6.4 How can we get the EB11 on line and what format should
be used?
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Section 1: General Interpedia Questions
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Subject: 1.1 Who originated the idea of the Interpedia, where did the
name come from, and what is a little of its history?
According to Michael Hart the idea for a net encyclopedia has been around
nearly as long as the net, at least back to 1969-71. This recent burst
of activity is the result of a post to several newsgroups by Rick Gates
with his idea to write a new encyclopedia, place it in the public-domain,
and make it available over the Internet. Among the first responses to
Rick's message was one by Gord Nickerson who suggested that this
Internet Encyclopedia be fully hypertexted using a markup language such
as html, and one by Mike Salmon in which he made the provocative comment:
> I think it's a brilliant idea, the sort that ends up as *being* the net.
This comment was picked up on by Robert Neville, who proposed links to
ongoing discussions including newsgroups and Internet Relay Chat (IRC),
and in a joint post with Doug Wilson emphasized the importance of default
articles to make the encyclopedia useful as a quick reference. The
question of how to pick default articles was hotly debated until Erik
Seielstad resolved the problem by suggesting the seal-of-approval
mechanism.
Perhaps the most important factors in making the Interpedia, as
R L Samuell called it, into an active project were the establishment of
the interpedia mailing list by Doug Luce, and the creation of a
gopher-accessible archive for this mailing list by R L Samuell. Gary
Kline suggested the use of an early encyclopaedia as a starting place
for the Interpedia and Robert Carter suggest the Encyclopaedia
Britannica, 11th edition. Shortly thereafter the volume of mail forced
the mailing list to adopt the digest format, and Doug Luce provided
archives of the digest at ftp.lm.com. More recently, specialized
sublists for technical, editorial, and volunteer coordination have been
set up by Jeff Foust.
(Doug Wilson and Alan Reynard)
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Subject: 1.2 What is the Interpedia?
Early in the discussion Doug Wilson wrote "So far, the Interpedia is an
idea. There is a mailing list to discuss it, and lots has been written
about it, we don't have any articles or software to distribute yet.
The term Interpedia is ambiguous -- to some it means the text, to some
the software, and to others what we will have when we have both."
To add to these thoughts it can be said that the Interpedia will be a
reference source for people who have connectivity to the internet. It
will encompass, at the least, articles submitted by individuals, and
articles gleaned from non-copyrighted material. It will have mechanisms
for submission, browsing, and authentication of articles. It is,
currently, a completely volunteer project with no source of funding
except for the contributions of the volunteers and their respective
institutions. It also has no governing structure except for a group of
people who have volunteered to do specific tasks or who have made major
contributions to the discussion (see list, below). Everyone is encouraged
to make a contribution, small or large.
The Interpedia is also envisioned to eventually be much more than a
simple reference source as current paper (or even CD-ROM) encyclopedias
are now. Amongst other things, the browsers will be able to provide
support for graphics, motion video, and sound as well as plain text,
depending on the type of equipment available to the person who is
accessing the Interpedia. At the very least, the text will be in
hypertext form so that the user will be able to navigate easily from one
document to another. Navigation will also be available for other objects
such as graphics.
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Subject: 1.3 Where can I communicate with people working on the project
and where can I get information about the Interpedia?
NEWSGROUP
Hopefully, there will soon be a newsgroup for the Interpedia Project with
the name, comp.infosystems.interpedia. Voting will be in January.
Everyone interested in the Interpedia Project is encouraged to vote YES.
Voting information will be sent to the various mailing lists.
MAILING LISTS
Subscribe to any one, any combination, or all of the mailing lists
that cover the Interpedia Project. There are currently 5 lists.
They are as follows:
1. The general list
subscribe: send a msg to interpedi...@telerama.lm.com
subject : one word, "subscribe" (don't include the quotes)
msg body: anything or nothing - it is not used
unsubscribe: send a msg to interpedi...@telerama.lm.com
subject : one word, "unsubscribe" (don't include the quotes)
msg body: anything or nothing - it is not used
post messages: send msg to inter...@telerama.lm.com
subject : it helps to have a subject
msg body: your message
The messages posted to the list will come to you in digest form.
NOTE: to unsubscribe send msg to interpedi...@telerama.lm.com
and *NOT* to inter...@telerama.lm.com
Do not send messages to interpedia-request except to
subscribe or unsubscribe.
2. Use of the Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th edition
subscribe: send a msg to kl...@tao.austin.tx.us
subject : optional
msg body: ask to subscribe; supply your name and internet
address
unsubscribe: send a msg to kl...@tao.austin.tx.us
subject : optional
msg body: ask to unsubscribe; supply your name and internet
address
post messages: send msg to eb...@tao.austin.tx.us
subject : it helps to have a subject
msg body: your message
3. Technical Issues (ip-tech)
subscribe: send a msg to ser...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : optional
msg body: "subscribe ip-tech" (don't include the quotes)
unsubscribe: send a msg to ser...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : optional
msg body: "unsubscribe ip-tech" (don't include the quotes)
post messages: send msg to ip-...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : it helps to have a subject
msg body: your message
4. Editing Issues (ip-edit)
subscribe: send a msg to ser...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : optional
msg body: "subscribe ip-edit" (don't include the quotes)
unsubscribe: send a msg to ser...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : optional
msg body: "unsubscribe ip-edit" (don't include the quotes)
post messages: send msg to ip-...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : it helps to have a subject
msg body: your message
5. Volunteer Issues (ip-vol)
subscribe: send a msg to ser...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : optional
msg body: "subscribe ip-vol" (don't include the quotes)
unsubscribe: send a msg to ser...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : optional
msg body: "unsubscribe ip-vol" (don't include the quotes)
post messages: send msg to ip-...@jg.cso.uiuc.edu
subject : it helps to have a subject
msg body: your message
ARCHIVES OF INTER...@TELERAMA.LM.COM
Archives of the digests are available by anonymous ftp from:
ftp.lm.com:/pub/interpedia/<whatever>
Note that some of the archives are in compressed format and appear
as files with the extension .gz. To decompress these files get
get gzip.exe. To do this find gzip124.zip at
ftp://oak.oakland.edu:/pub/msdos/compress/gzip124.zip and unzip it.
At the dos prompt type 'gzip -h' for help. The syntax for use is
> gzip -d <filename.ext> where the ext can be .g or .gz.
POSTINGS TO INTER...@TELERAMA.LM.COM
Individual postings to the list including the early ones that don't
appear in the digests are available by gopher from:
CIS Department, University of Alabama at Birmingham.
The Gopher Bookmark is:
NAME = The Interpedia Project
HOST = twinbrook.cis.uab.edu
PORT = 70
PATH = interped.70
TYPE = 1
The postings can also be viewed with a www browser:
URL is gopher://twinbrook.cis.uab.edu:70/1/interped.70
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Subject: 1.4 Where can additional information be found about subjects
that relate to the Interpedia?
There are several newsgroups that relate to the project in various
ways. They are:
comp.infosystems.gopher
comp.infosystems.wais
comp.infosystems.www
comp.text.sgml
alt.hypertext
Those interested in the web (www, w3) should acquire a browser and
explore it. Unfortunately, most of the documentation about the web
is on the web. Catch-22.
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Section 2: Accessing the Interpedia
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Subject: 2.1 How will people access the Interpedia?
Because it has not been settled what form/format the Interpedia will
assume, there is no definitive information about this. There is
discussion about accessing it in a variety of ways including ftp,
gopher, wais, and www.
There is also discussion of producing new, more advanced software that
will be directed to accessing the Interpedia, but will presumably be
useful in accessing other infosystems, as well.
The type of software currently available for accessing the various
internet infosystems is termed a browser (or client). These are
explained elsewhere. It should be emphasized that there is the
that browsers for the Interpedia will have capabilities that go
beyond current browsers. However, to get a feel for what a browser
will do you can access one or more of the currently available browsers.
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Subject: 2.2 What are browsers?
Software for the Interpedia will probably include what people call a
"browser". The usual interfaces to the WWW and gopher are examples of
browsers. Neither of these seem entirely appropriate for the
Interpedia, but that is still a matter of some dispute. They may be
useful as prototypes.
In other terms, browsers are software that act as 'clients' and enable
you to interact with 'servers', where the servers are machines (hosts)
that hold the information. For each client there has to be a matching
server (e.g., gopher clients access gopher servers). This distinction
is now being blurred because some clients (e.g., www clients) can
access other servers (gopher and wais) in addition to accessing www
servers.
The Interpedia is not yet at a point where browsing is applicable.
However, if you want to try a browser, you can do it in two ways.
One is to log onto (telnet) to a host that runs a public-access
browser. The other is to acquire a browser that you can use from your
local machine. These are available for PCs, Macs, Amigas, NeXTs, etc.,
and can be acquired by FTP from a number of sites. There are lists of
sites elsewhere in the FAQ.
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Subject: 2.3 What is WWW and where can I get a client?
WWW FAQ available:
rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/comp.infosystems.www/WWW_(World_Wide_Web)_FAQ
WWW (World Wide Web) consists of hypertext documents and the links
between the documents. WWW documents can include images and sound.
There is a large number of these documents available and the number is
growing rapidly. The documents are hosted on WWW servers and can be
accessed by using WWW browsers (clients). The type of information you
can retrieve depends on the type of client you use. If you have only a
line oriented client, you can retrieve only ascii text. If you have a
more functional client you can get sound and graphics.
A list of WWW clients is available in the WWW FAQ (referenced above).
You can also find lists of clients (and servers) by accessing the
web. Again, they are listed in the FAQ. A few of these are:
info.cern.ch login: none needed
ujanaix.cc.ukans.edu login: www
www.njit.edu login: www
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Subject: 2.4 What is gopher and where can I get a client?
gopher FAQ available:
rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/comp.infosystems.gopher/G_(c.i.g)_F_A_Q_(F)
Gopher is software that acts as server and client. The server holds
information, located by traversing a menu structure. Often a menu
item is an internet address that points to another gopher server.
A client always logs onto a server and from there can move (burrow)
from server to server searching for information. The person who sets
up the client specifies which gopher server the client logs onto to
start the session.
Gopher clients can retrieve documents by ftp as well as retrieving
them just for viewing. Some clients can also do keyword searches.
You can acquire a gopher client or you can access gopher by logging
onto a host at many educational and government institutions.
Gopher clients (and servers) are available by ftp from
boombox.micro.umn.edu:/pub/gopher there are subdirectories that
contain gopher clients for a number of operating systems.
Additional gopher clients can be obtained from various sites. Many
of these are listed in the gopher FAQ. You can find others by
posting messages to comp.infosystems.gopher.
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Subject: 2.5 What is WAIS and where can I get a client?
WAIS FAQ available from:
rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/comp.infosystems.wais/c.i.w_F_a_Q_[F]_(w_a)
WAIS (Wide Area Information Servers) is a networked information
retrieval system. Clients are able to retrieve documents using keywords.
The search returns a list of documents, ranked according to the
frequency of occurrence of the keyword(s) used in the search.
The client can retrieve text or multimedia documents stored on the
server.
There is a list of WAIS clients in the comp.infosystems.wais FAQ.
You can access a WAIS client by telnetting to sunsite.unc.edu. There
is a menu that guides your logging on.
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Subject: 2.6 Why bother with new software?
Software for the Interpedia will probably include what people call a
"browser". The usual interfaces to the WWW and gopher are examples
of browsers. Neither of these seem entirely appropriate for the
Interpedia, but that is still a matter of some dispute. They may
be useful as prototypes.
The gopher system is widely available but is not sufficiently easy
to use to satisfy many people, and it does not support hypertext.
Perhaps gopher software could be improved, but it doesn't seem
appropriate yet.
The WWW has many advantages over earlier approaches (e.g. gopher),
but is not to everyone's liking. Many people do not like navigating
around in hypertext, and insist that an encyclopedia must provide
keyword and/or alphabetical access. Perhaps the WWW could be
improved to support the Interpedia project, but it doesn't seem
quite appropriate yet. It might be a good starting point though.
(Doug Wilson)
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Subject 2.7 What is the current state of development of
Interpedia-specific software?
Doug Wilson <dwi...@crc.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca> writes:
I am working on prototype software for the Interpedia, and
plan a series of prototypes, beginning with one which will run only
on a single machine and access files local to that machine.
A preliminary set of design notes for that software was published
earlier on the mailing list, and can be obtained from me by e-mail.
Updates to requirements and design documentation will be released as
text files accessible with the first prototype, which will be used
to support its own development. Coding is underway, and a simple
version should be released in early January, 1994. Source code will
be included as files accessible by the prototype, and linked to their
corresponding items of documentation.
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Jared Rhine <Jared...@hmc.edu> writes:
I am working primarily in the area of creating HTTP gateways to the
Interpedia. Please send comments to me at the above address.
There are many parts to this projects including:
1. An indexing server which can return a list of documents based
upon the results of various parameters submitted via an HTML
Form, including keywords, title, etc. The amount of
information to be returned will also be selectable on this form.
Support for seals-of-approvals is planned, but unimplemented as of
yet.
2. An Interpedia gateway is being prototyped which will return the
document requested, but with added markup to include information
contained in the index regarding the document, such as author,
related documents, relevance feedback forms, etc.
3. In order to unify the namespace of the Interpedia, documents in
the above index will be returned as URNs, which uniquely identify
a document, but give no indication of where to locate the resource.
Thus a URN->URL mapper is being prototyped which will allow
documents returned from searches to be located as URLs, which may
be accessed via any Web client.
In combination, these gateways will allow for full access to many of
the key features of the Interpedia. An end-user will be able to
connect to a Web server and be presented with a welcome page for the
Interpedia. A HTML Form can be submitted to begin a search. The
parameters of this form will be fed into the indexing gateway which
will return a HTML document containing information about the documents
hit by the search, restricted to only those documents matching the
requested seal-of-approvals. The amount of information returned for
each document will be selectable based on the parameters submitted in
the search form. Additionally, further information about a specific
article will be available without retrieving the document in full by
selecting a separate link. At this point, relevance feedback can be
added to the search, and the search resubmitted.
At some point in the future, the links to retrieve a document will
actually be links to the URN->URL mapper, but that will be one of the
last prototypes to be examined. In the preliminary stages, the link
will be a selector string for the server which instructs it to return
the document. The document will not be returned directly; instead, it
will be first marked up with relational operators so that the user can
perform those actions from within the document, including relevance
feedback. Documents which include net-accessible authors (who give
their permission) will include links which will allow viewers to
submit comments to the author via a HTML Form.
The prototyping language will be Perl, linked as packages to the
Plexus HTTP server. Access to the prototypes will be available via
the Web, although the experimental nature of these prototypes may
result in sporadic reliability. Comments about the prototypes will
be able to be submitted via HTML forms.
Prototypes will likely be available in early January, although the
amount of functionality to be included by that point is as yet
undetermined.
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Bob Socrates McWhirter <mcw...@mail.auburn.edu> writes:
I plan to develop machine-specific clients to access the information
in the Interpedia. Initially, there will be a Mac client.
Once the powers that be decide how the info will be available over the
net (how to find it, which port, etc), I'll be working on two programs.
1) A client for the Mac running TCP/IP software with direct connection
to the net. (Such as Umin's TurboGopher mac client). This would
support the familiar look-and-feel of the Mac world.
2) A pseudo-client to run at the Unix prompt, which, when initiated
would activate an 'interpedia mode' in a special term program, which
would then
appear to operate as #1 above. This would be a two-program package.
First, the Unix middle-man which would take the presumably
raw data from the interpedia, and feed it to the modem port, only
slightly altered. The second would be a special Mac term-program
which would be a standard vt100 (or whatever) emulator until kicked
into interpedia mode (such as how auto-zmodem downloads get kicked
in). Once in Interpedia-mode, it would translate the data from the
unix middle-man to provide the same mac look-and-feel as in #1 above.
Basically, this allows a 'nice' interface for those macs without a
direct IP connection, SLIP, or PPP. We are assuming that these users
will have a valid account on a Unix machine.
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Greg McMullan <mcmu...@mit.edu> writes:
My ideas for the software aren't particularly new or exciting,
especially since I haven't had the time to do much more than read up
on what I think I need to know and start roughing out some code. I'm
mostly writing it up to make myself learn more about HTML and remember
my perl. Yes, I'm using WWW software as my client - it's there and
works well, and I don't have to write it, so I get something useful
up and running faster. If I run into something that I *can't* do in
HTML (I doubt it, but it's possible), I have the option of modifying
the client or writing my own, but I won't have to do that till I know
if my approach works well.
I'll probably implement something like the 3-column approach to sorting
keywords described earlier in the mailing list, once I'm sure that the
server that I'm writing works.
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NOTE: We think that there are several others working on software.
Even if it is only in the design phase, please let us know about
it. It might save some duplication of effort. Send responses
to med...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu (Alan Reynard)
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Section 3: Article submission and editing
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Subject 3.1 How can I submit an article to the Interpedia?
There is an ftp site that is available, but details have not been
worked out. Temporarily, questions about submissions should be sent
to Doug Wilson <dwi...@crc.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca>.
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Subject 3.2 In what form will articles be acceptable?
The format(s) of Interpedia article has not yet been decided. However,
it is probably safe to assume that one form will be plain ascii text.
Craig Richmond has made the suggestion (digest v1n20) that there be
multiple formats, each identified by a number as follows:
0 : unformatted english 7 bit ascii text
1 : formatted english 7 bit ascii text (setext)
2 : formatted english 7 bit ascii text (RTF)
3 : unformatted english unicode text
4 : formatted english unicode text (who knows)
5 : formatted text with basic hypertext links
6 : formatted text with simple hypertext links
7 : bells and whistles multimedia extensions and hypertext
One of the current hot items is HTML. To see more about HTML point
your WWW browser to either:
http://www.ncsa.uiuc.edu/demoweb/html-primer.html
or http://info.cern.ch/hypertext/WWW/MarkUp/MarkUp.html
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Subject: 3.3 Why bother with new text, why not just use existing
material from various online sources?
There is so much material available online that it may indeed
be theoretically possible to put together an encyclopedia from
what is already out there. But finding and linking in enough
text would be such a formidable problem that it is probably
easier to arrange for new articles to be written. Besides,
people WANT to write new articles! Experts in a field are
rarely happy with any existing piece of text, and there will be
a few who would rather contribute new material than settle for
something out-of-date or inaccurate. But, existing material
that people know about could be used as a starting point.
(Doug Wilson)
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Subject: 3.4 Who will pick the articles?
All submitted articles could be made available, as long as some host
site somewhere is willing to make space for them. There is no need
to accept or reject articles. But there is a need to provide defaults
and seals-of-approval to guide readers and make quick reference to
authoritative articles possible.
(Doug Wilson)
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Subject: 3.5 What will be the process of editing articles and what will
be the responsibilities of the editors?
Robert Neville <rnev...@crc.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca> has volunteered to
coordinate the editorial efforts. He has contributed all of
editorial section (subject 3.5.x) of this FAQ.
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Subject: 3.5.1 Who can be an editor on the Interpedia Project?
Anyone. Just as articles and other data can be submitted by anyone in
Cyberspace, anyone can choose to act as an editor. Of course, many
writers will choose to be their own Interpedia editor, if they feel
comfortable with that role.
To be effective, editors will have to be thoroughly conversant with
the Interpedia, its nature and its requirements. Writers who are
not will approach editors and ask for their assistance.
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Subject: 3.5.2 What will their responsibilities be to the Project?
The responsibilities of editors will be to act in good faith in the
advancement of the Interpedia, to communicate regularly with other
editors and with techies as needed and, above all, to try to add the
highest quality material possible to the Interpedia.
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Subject: 3.5.3 How will editors communicate with one another?
Editors will be expected to be members of a least one mailing list or
associated newsgroup and to communicate regularly about what projects
they are working on and what progress they are making. At present the
appropriate list is ip-...@jg.cso.uicu.edu as described elsewhere
in this FAQ.
We will certainly need the current proposed newsgroup to be divided,
probably as soon as it exists, into two, namely:
comp.infosystems.interpedia.tech
comp.infosystems.interpedia.edit
Further divisions will be necessary as things progress. We will
doubtless have to arrange for moderators to make periodic reports
to the main newsgroups and lists, so that everyone can have a least
an overview of this huge endeavour.
Eventually, of course, newsgroups will themselves be part of the
Interpedia and the Interpedia project itself will be the first
beneficiary of improved information structures.
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Subject: 3.5.4 How often and how much will editors work on the
Interpedia?
As much or as little as they wish. Some people may wish to join the
project solely to improve the Interpedia in an area of special interest
to them. Others will want to be general editors, working in a wide
variety of areas, for a long time.
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Subject: 3.5.5 Will all this work be voluntary?
At first, yes. And for many it will always be so. But it would seem
likely that individuals who choose to spend large amounts of
productive time on this project will eventually find themselves being
paid for it. Many people now are paid for Internet work that was
volunteer not so long ago.
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Subject: 3.5.6 What if more than one editor works in the same area?
No problem. It is the very nature of the Interpedia to contain
competing resources. If someone feels that the article on the recorder,
facilitated by me, is inadequate, they have many avenues. They can
suggest changes to me or the author, they can produce their own, they
can solicit seals of disapproval, if they think that the article is
in some sense actually damaging.
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Subject: 3.5.7 What would an editor's work consist of?
The process outlined above gives a good starting idea. Editors will
either start with definite ideas on articles, or will use a To Do list,
as discussed earlier on this list, to find areas that need work.
What they may do will include:
-in the early stages especially, promoting explaining the
Interpedia to potential authors and approval grantors. At
first organizations like the American Recorder Society will
have to be persuaded of the value of assigning members to
the task of evaluating articles. But once the Interpedia
is well established this will be unneeded.
-searching through existing Internet resources for
possible hotkey links to existing material (excellent
work for Rick Gate's Internet Hunt aficionados!)
-establishing and operating MUDs or other resources to
complement existing resources
-soliciting material to fill needs indicated in the To Do list
-working on the To Do list itself, to identify needs
-soliciting seals of approval to support articles
-soliciting seals of disapproval for articles of low quality
-helping writers present material in a format appropriate to
the Interpedia
-identify needs. for example, I might see a need for a
simplified version of some article suitable for school
children. I might approach the authors and request such
a version and arrange for suitable seals of approval
-etc. etc. The reader is invited to add more ...
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Subject: 3.5.8 When can editors start work on the Interpedia?
Now. See elsewhere in this FAQ for information on the acceptable form
of articles and what to do with them. Even though software is not
ready, it is important that we start to collect material as soon as
possible.
It is worth noting that nothing will encourage software people to work
more than a growing base of Interpedia material. Let's give them
something to chew on!
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Section 4: Classification, Seals, Copyright, etc
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Subject: 4.1 One of the principle topics is classification. What is the
current status of proposed classification schemes?
Christopher Mullin has volunteered to coordinate the classification
efforts. He writes:
The group I'm coordinating feels that the use of existing library
classification systems and subject heading lists will give better
access to articles than will the use of uncontrolled keywords.
Specifically, we expect to assign several Library of Congress Subject
Headings and several classification numbers (either Universal Decimal
Classification or Dewey Decimal Classification -- not sure yet) to
each article.
We will attempt to get copies of the chosen systems made available on
the internet, with the expectation that others will develop search
engines to make these systems accessible to Interpedia searchers.
Most of us have had some library cataloging experience, but welcome
help from anyone. Contact me (mul...@selway.umt.edu) for further
information.
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Subject: 4.2 What are Seals of Approval?
A seal-of-approval is data provided by a person or persons which
indicates that some article is good. (Seals of disapproval have
also been proposed.) Seals-of-approval will used by people in
deciding what articles to read, but will also be used by the
Interpedia software to decide which articles to make most easily
available to people, according to their stated preferences.
If you set a user-parameter indicating you only want articles which
have the Jeff-Foust-Quality-Assurance-Board-Seal-Of-Approval,
then only those articles will be set up for convenient (default)
access -- although all other articles will still be accessible,
with a bit more effort.
(Doug Wilson)
Seals-of-approval have been suggested as a way to provide editorial
input on articles submitted to the Interpedia without subjecting all
Interpedia users to the editorial opinions of a few. In short, any
user would be able to create a "seal" that could be affixed to
articles that the user found to be factually correct, well written, or
ideologically agreeable to him/her. There would be no limit on the
number of seals that could exist. There would likely be a directory
of seals kept, so that users could refer to the directory to determine
who the authors of a particular seal are and also obtain some basic
information on it (e.g., what classes of articles are typically given
this seal, what criteria the authors use to assign seals, etc.)
(Jeff Foust)
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Subject: 4.3 What is a default, and why do we need defaults?
A default is a standard choice that you can select in some easy
way, such as by hitting the return/enter key or the spacebar key.
There may be hundreds of articles available on some controversial
topic, but we don't want to force people to wade through all those
possibilities, so we must provide a default article that the user
has quick and easy access to. But that doesn't mean that there is
one default for everybody. Defaults can be dynamically established
according to the user's preset preferences. The term default is
somewhat ambiguous and has also been used for a hypothetical
standard article that one might get if one hadn't set any
preferences at all -- but there are strong arguments against having
any such standard, and from a technical point of view it is
probably not necessary. A default is actually a prediction of
what a person is likely to want, or an estimation of what they
would want if they had all the information they need to make
a choice, and it is always possible to predict or estimate.
(Doug Wilson)
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Subject: 4.4 What are the copyright issues?
Copyright issues are currently a little murky (they always are).
There appears to be no problem with inclusion of non-copyrighted
material (such as the Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed) in the
Interpedia.
However, Compton Encyclopedia chose Comdex to announce that it had
been granted a patent on multimedia programs that store and retrieve
text, graphics, sound, and animation. The patent (pn US5241671)
describes a "multimedia search system using a plurality of entry
means which indicated interrelatedness of information". A copy has
been placed at http://www.law.indiana.edu:80/law/compton.html.
As could be expected this generated much heat, but not much light
in a number of newsgroups. It was subsequently reported that other
patents have been taken out including one by Optical Data Corp
entitled "Interactive Method for the Effective Conveyance of
Information in the Form of Visual Images".
A posting to comp.text.sgml reported that the U. S. Patent Office will
reexamine its patent to Compton. The final disposition will likely
be taken care of in the courts.
Mahesh S. Koppula <mkop...@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> reports in
digest V2 #3 that files listing titles to 2700 software patents
issued in 1992-93 have been posted to misc.legal.computing and
other usenet groups.
It may be of interest that a large, comprehensive faq, Frequently
Asked Questions about Copyright (6 parts) is posted to
misc.legal.computing and is available by ftp from rtfm.mit.edu in the
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Copyright-FAQ directory.
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Subject: 4.5 How will people be protected from having to view unwanted
materials?
People can use seals-of-approval and defaults to limit the amount
of material they see. This might be used to protect children from
material that is not appropriate for them to see.
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Section 5: Other projects, Volunteers, Glossary
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Subject: 5.1 What other projects are there that parallel or complement
the Interpedia Project?
A number of projects either parallel the Interpedia or are related
to it in some way. Some of these are:
The Stack of the Artist of Kouroo
see Digest v1 nums 2, 4, and 12
A study by Austin Meredith of Thoreau based on Walden but extending
far and wide courtesy of its hypertext format.
UNITE (User Network Interface to Everything) -- see Digest v1n3
mailing list: mail...@mailbase.ac.uk
to join body of message should read
join unite <first-name> <last-name>
OTIS (Operative Term is Stimulate) -- see Digest v1n3
This is an electronic-networked art gallery. There are FTP sites
sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/multimedia/pictures/OTIS/<whatever>
agl.gatech.edu:/pub/OTIS
141.24..4.135 (don't know domain name)
Principia Cybernetica Project (PCP) -- see Digest v1n20
home page of server at http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/ASC/INDEXASC.html
Clearinghouse for Subject-Oriented Internet Resource Guides
see Digest v1n21
ftp una.hh.lib.umich.edu:/inetdirsstacks
gopher bookmark
NAME = Clearinghouse for Subject-Oriented Internet Resource Guides
HOST = una.hh.lib.umich.edu
PORT = 70
PATH = 1/inetdirs
TYPE = 1
www
URL http://http2.sils.umich.edu/~lou/chhome.html
gopher://una.hh.lib.umich.edu/11/inetdirs
JHSI is a project to provide a hierarchical index to sources
available on the Internet. As Interpedia articles appear, we
intend to index them. Our classification scheme is based upon
a combination of the hierarchical classification scheme from the
Encyclopedia Brittanica's Propedia and various domain specific
classfication schemes, such as the ACM Computing Reviews
Classification Scheme. JHSI is a project of ACM Special Interest
Group on Networking at the University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign. This information was provided by Joel Jones
<jjo...@uiuc.edu>. The URL for the index is:
http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~jj9544/index.html
There is also emerging a number of electronic magazines, some with
hypertext links to other documents. Some of these are:
Global Network Navigator (GNN)
Sponsored by O'Reilly & Associates
It is free (eventually to be supported by advertising).
To subscribe send e-mail to in...@gnn.com
Access is by www (will need a www client)
INFOSYS
Operates via a mailing list - sign up for the list and get issues.
subscribe: send a msg to list...@american.edu
subject : optional
msg body: "subscribe INFOSYS yourfirstname yourlastname"
(don't include the quotes)
unsubscribe: send a msg to list...@american.edu
subject : optional
msg body: "unsubscribe INFOSYS"
(don't include the quotes)
submit articles: send article to inf...@american.edu
subject : it helps to have a subject
msg body: your article
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Subject: 5.2 Who are the individuals who have volunteered to do
specific tasks?
Axel Boldt <bo...@math.ucsb.edu>
-- newsgroup creation
Jeff Foust <jfo...@mit.edu>
-- maintain other lists (ip-edit, ip-tech, ip-vol)
Michael S. Hart <ha...@vmd.cso.uiuc.edu>
-- provide resources
Gary D. Kline <kl...@tao.austin.tx.ux>
-- maintain eb11 mailing list
Doug Luce <do...@telerama.lm.com>
-- maintain the interpedia mailing list
Bob Socrates McWhirter <mcw...@mail.auburn.edu>
-- develop software
Greg McMullan <mcmu...@mit.edu> writes:
-- develop software
Christopher G. Mullin <mul...@selway.umt.edu>
-- coordinate classification
Robert Neville <rnev...@crc.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca>
-- coordinate editors
Alan M. Reynard <med...@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu>
-- maintain FAQ
R L Samuell <sam...@cis.uab.edu>
-- maintain archives
Erik Seielstad <er...@acspr1.acs.brockport.edu>
-- looking at www
Doug Wilson <dwi...@crc.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca>
-- develop software
Lee Wood <wo...@sfu.ca>
-- develop software
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Subject: 5.3 What are some terms used in this project and their
definitions (a glossary)?
BABEL, a very large list of abbreviations and acronyms is available from
Irving Kind. Send a disk and samped, addressed mailer to:
K & D, One Church Lane, Baltimore, MD 21208.
<BABEL is available by FTP from somehwere. Help, anyone - AMR>
Some of the terms and acronyms are:
< ANY MORE ? >
CELLO
A WWW browser
DDC
Dewey Decimal Classification
DTD
Document Type Definition
EB11
Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th edition. First published in
1910-1911. Fifty million words. It is not protected by
copyright.
GOPHER
software that acts as server and client. The client uses menus
to search gopher servers for information.
HTML
HyperText Markup Language. A specification for converting ascii
text to hypertext documents. The notations made in the document
are themselves ascii so the document maintains its ascii
characteristic.
HTTP
HyperText Transfer Protocol. The specification for transferring
files in the WWW.
LCC
Library of Congress Classification
LCSH
Library of Congress Subject Headings
LISTSERV
A mailing list mechanism, originally started for the bitnet
network, but made available to the internet via gateways to
the bitnet machines. There are several thousand lists managed
by the listserv software world-wide.
MOSAIC
A WWW browser
SGML
Standard Generalized Markup Language
UDC
Universal Decimal Classification
URL
Uniform Resource Locator
URN
Uniform Resource Name
VERONICA
Very Easy Rodent-Oriented Net-Wide Index to Computerized Archives
It is a gopher with the ability to do keyword search for
documents.
WAIS
Wide Area Information Servers
WWW
World Wide Web
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Section 6: The EB11 Project
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Subject: 6.1 Is there an EB11 mailing list?
At the top of the FAQ are listed the various mailing lists that are
directly concerned with the Interpedia project. People with
interest in the use of EB11 in conjunction with the Interpedia should
sign up for this list. The list is moderated by Gary D. Kline and he
has provided the content for this section (6.x) of the FAQ.
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Subject: 6.2 What is the history of the EB11 project?
The EB11 discussion began in late October when an early posting
to the Interpedia mailing list from Gary Kline suggested that we not
begin from scratch, but use an early (public domain) encyclopedia.
Robert Carter (car...@andromeda.rutgers.edu) responded at once
and suggested the Encyclopaedia Britannica, 11th Ed, because of
its exceptional scholarship.
Later, it was learned that Michael Hart and Project Gutenberg are
planning to put the EB11 on-line. Doug Wilson contacted Michael Hart
and the projects began to be discussed extensively on the interpedia
mailing list.
The EB11 mailing list exists currently for those interested in the
Interpedia, but who may wish to concentrate primarily in this
aspect of the project. This, the EB11 list may be considered a
subset or sub-group of the larger working group.
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Subject: 6.3 Why use the EB11?
The EB11 is an obvious treasure and resource as a historical document.
There are certainly hundreds of articles that were and still are true,
valid, and can be used with little or no changes in the Interpedia.
This has stirred some controversy. Some want to use EB11 as-is; by
itself. Others like the core approach.
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Subject: 6.4 How can we get the EB11 on line and what format should
be used?
However we use the work, questions remain about which format to use
to get it online: ASCII, PostScript, some sort of graphics file
(e.g.: a gif file). The EB11 is more than ASCII text.
Another issue involves the means to get the work online. Do we type it
in by hand? Use some OCR technology? Scan it in as a graphics file
and work on the character recognition later? What about non-Latin
characters? mathematical equations? illustrations? photographs?
typefaces?
These issues are currently being discussed.
======================================================================
END OF FAQ
======================================================================
prepared by Alan M. Reynard
and
posted to inaugurate the USENET news group COMP.INFOSYSTEMS.INTERPEDIA
by R L Samuell
who coined the name "Interpedia"
R. Stewart Ellis
>INTERPEDIA FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
>January 17, 1994
>======================================================================
>This faq will be:
> sent to all new members of the list
> posted to the interpedia mailing list on or about the 15th of
> each month.
> posted periodically to the newsgroup, comp.infosystems.interpedia
> <after it is formed>
> made available by anonymous ftp from:
> ftp.lm.com:/pub/interpedia/interpedia.faq
> note: sometimes quite busy during business hours.
> better results after 5pm EST.
> rtfm.mit.edu (where all the newsgroup faqs are archived)
> (but only after the newsgroup is formed)
> made available by gopher from:
> CIS Department, University of Alabama at Birmhingham
> The Gopher Bookmark is:
> NAME = The Interpedia Project
> HOST = twinbrook.cis.uab.edu
> PORT = 70
> PATH = interped.70
> TYPE = 1
Do people try things before they post them? I am accustomed to, when
someone purportedly posts a gopher bookmark or link entry, clipping it with
my mouse. This "link" or "bookmark" will not work with the UNIX server from
UMN, accessing with the curses client from UMN. It is worse than useless to
publish information that is "nearly" correct. This should be fixed. There
are three errors:
1) Don't use leading spaces.
2) Don't put spaces around the '='.
3) Don't capitalize NAME, etc.
> made available as part of the Interpedia
> (When the Interpedia gets underway)
[...]
--
R.Stewart(Stew) Ellis, Assoc.Prof., (Off)313-762-9765 ___________________
Humanities & Social Science, GMI Eng.& Mgmt. Inst. / _____ ______
Flint, MI 48504 el...@nova.gmi.edu / / / / / /
Gopher,News and modem maintainer, all around hack /________/ / / / /
R L Samuell
Thank you, Professor Ellis.
I appreciate the information. I will inform the author of the FAQ.
I do not, however, appreciate your attitude. Where did you get the idea
that I am responsible for your convenience?
There are many different kinds of systems in the world. As it happens,
both my server and client run in an OS/2 environment, not UNIX. I claim
no responsibility for the inadequacy of UNIX bookmark parsers-- my REXX
parser is somewhat more tolerant. But, in my opinion, a sensitivity to
leading spaces, framing spaces, and capitalization reflects a general
design deficiency in such parsing software.
As far as UMN, they are the originators of the GOPHER protocol, not the
arbiters of all customs appertaining thereto.
Finally, as this is an "error" for which it is clear I am responsible
I do not understand why you did not simply e-mail me your remarks
instead of advertising these "errors" publicly. In the absence of an
apology, I will accept that it was an inadvertent breach of proper
netiquette on your part, which therefore is the reason for this,
my public reply.
Sincerely,
R L Samuell
who coined the term "Interpedia"
--
Two years ago, I was as old as the year in which I was born. How old am I?