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Christopher Glaeser

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Oct 22, 2009, 1:30:00 PM10/22/09
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I need to monitor devices that have simple NO/NC alarms. Can you recommend
a USB module that can monitor multiple on/off switches?

Best,
Christopher


J Miller

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Oct 22, 2009, 5:17:38 PM10/22/09
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Why USB? It can be done almost directly with a serial or parallel
port.. Try smarthome.com, jameco.com and jdr.com.

Josepi

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Oct 22, 2009, 5:32:59 PM10/22/09
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Why would somebody get a bunch of paraphenalia to hang on a USB port so they
can slow the signal down?

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Christopher Glaeser

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Oct 22, 2009, 6:20:55 PM10/22/09
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> Why USB? It can be done almost directly with a serial ...

Directly, as in one port? I need to monitor multiple alarms and need
multiple ports, as in 8 or more.

Best,
Christopher


Josepi

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Oct 22, 2009, 7:51:31 PM10/22/09
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RS-485 is a two wire serial port that can support multi-drop peripherals.
Translator adapters RS232/RS485 can be purchased for about $25.


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J Miller

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Oct 22, 2009, 11:09:38 PM10/22/09
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Actually, I was talking about simply using a pin on the port. For a
serial port, you got two pins, and for a parallel, you got 8-10, IIRC.
Using direct IO. You read the port and see the logic state if the pins...

No buss involved..

Another option is a Dallas ds2490 (?) USB to one wire adapter buss
(~$25). Then, with ds2401's or DS2405's (~$2 each) you can sense a
bunch of spots, but the SW to do so is more complex. I've had my best
luck with the Linux version of the Dallas SW than the windows version...

Josepi

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Oct 23, 2009, 5:27:22 AM10/23/09
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Makes sense and cheap but you did mention serial port.

WTF is a "buss"? (obviously you work in the electrical field)


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Joe Pfeiffer

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Oct 23, 2009, 9:45:33 AM10/23/09
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"Josepi" <JRM@invalid..com> writes:

> Makes sense and cheap but you did mention serial port.
>
> WTF is a "buss"? (obviously you work in the electrical field)

Manufacturer of fuses, and probably a bunch of stuff I'm not aware of.
Also (and I don't know if this comes from the manufacturer, or some
alternate source), a "buss bar" is a power or ground bar in a circuit
breaker panel.

The name has leaked over to become an occasional alternate spelling of
"bus" -- it happens enough I'm not even sure I'd call it a mis-spelling.
--
As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)

Robert L Bass

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Oct 23, 2009, 2:15:45 PM10/23/09
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"Josepi" wrote:
>
> WTF is a "buss"? (obviously you work in the electrical field)

Buss is an old word for kiss. A data bus (only one "S" here) is an interface
between a computer and another computer or some other device to exchange data.
It can also refer to a data connection between components within a computer.

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Gordon Burditt

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Oct 23, 2009, 6:24:43 PM10/23/09
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>Why would somebody get a bunch of paraphenalia to hang on a USB port so they
>can slow the signal down?

How many feet can a USB cable be run before it ceases working even
at the slowest USB speed? If I need to run the cable to the front
door, back door, refrigerator, freezer, garage doors, every window,
some motion sensors, a couple of smoke alarms, and a keypad, that's
a lot of cable. On the other hand, polling each sensor 5 times a
second is probably way overkill.

Four USB-to-parallel-port devices, with the parallel-port devices
(with data and control lines, you may be able to sense 10 contact
closures each) spread around the house, might be sufficient.

Uniden

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Oct 23, 2009, 6:28:34 PM10/23/09
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In article <q76dnXyb3JEGC33X...@giganews.com>,
nos...@nospam.com says...

USBmicro U401 or U421 USB interface. http://www.circuitgizmos.com

Christopher Glaeser

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Oct 23, 2009, 11:08:09 PM10/23/09
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> USBmicro U401 or U421 USB interface. http://www.circuitgizmos.com

Thanks!!! Also found http://www.j-works.com/

Best,
Christopher


Si Ballenger

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Oct 24, 2009, 12:31:42 PM10/24/09
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Sorry, but you can't use those devices the way you mention. They
only work with print drivers.

Si Ballenger

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Oct 24, 2009, 1:25:03 PM10/24/09
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You may want to look at using rs232 boards like below and use it
with a USB to serial adapter. Be aware that USB boards (like
bottom activewire) that do not apper as a serial port but instead
use dlls and such, can require significant programming
experiance.

http://www.futurlec.com/RS232DevBoard.shtml
http://www.weedtech.com/wtdio-m.html

http://www.activewireinc.com/


Robert L Bass

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Oct 24, 2009, 2:00:49 PM10/24/09
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"Si Ballenger" wrote:
>
> You may want to look at using rs232 boards like below and use it
> with a USB to serial adapter. Be aware that USB boards (like
> bottom activewire) that do not apper as a serial port but instead
> use dlls and such, can require significant programming
> experiance.

This appears to be an ideal solution (or at least close to it) for a project
using a PC to monitor and control alarm sensors, sirens, etc. The gentleman
will also need a power supply to operate motion, smoke or glass break
detectors as well as for sirens or strobes.

I don't sell this device and I have not tested it so due diligence, please. I
do sell power supplies, alarm detectors and such in case the OP needs a source
for same.

Robert L Bass

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Oct 24, 2009, 2:03:07 PM10/24/09
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"Robert L Bass" <Sa...@BassBurglarAlarms.com> wrote:

Oops. I forgot to insert the link to the GV-IO device. Here it is:
www.geovision.co.rs/proizvodi/GV-IO_USB_Box.pdf

Marc_F_Hult

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Oct 25, 2009, 3:13:57 PM10/25/09
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:30:00 -0700, "Christopher Glaeser" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote in message <q76dnXyb3JEGC33X...@giganews.com>:

>I need to monitor devices that have simple NO/NC alarms. Can you recommend
>a USB module that can monitor multiple on/off switches?

Do you need/want to absolutely restrict access to a single computer? If not,
my preference would be for TCP/IP-based ( not usb, not RS-xxx, not bus).

WebControl is a $35 TCP/IP-based (web) device that I use and can recommend
that would give you 8 TTL in, 8 TTL out, 3 analog in, multiple 1-wire
temperature input, HIH-xxx humidity sensor input, etc:

Input
Digital Inputs 8
Analog Inputs 3
Maximum Digital Input Level TTL 5V
Maximum Analog Input Level 3V
Mnimum Input Level 0V
Output
Number of Output 8
Output Level TTL 5V
Output Current MAX 30 mA
Programmable Timer
Number of programmable timer events 20
Sensors
DS1822 Temperature Sensor 8
Honeywell Humidity Sensor 1
Power Consumtion
Without Load 5MA
With Full Load 240MA
Power Supply
DC (recommend) 6V to 7.5V
AC (when DC not avaliable) 12V

$35.00 + shipping -- A steal IMO.

http://www.cainetworks.com/products/webcontrol/webcontrol_matrix.htm

Interface is either with browser or command-line.

http://www.cainetworks.com/products/webcontrol/webcontrol-faq.html
http://www.cainetworks.com/manuals/webcontrol/WebControlUserGuide2-03-00.pdf

or you can write your own GUI

http://www.cainetworks.com/manuals/webcontrol/HowtoWriteGUICodeforWebControl.pdf

Available/find suppliers through Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Webcontrol-Universal-Temperature-Humidity-Controller/dp/B001H4JXLU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256497812&sr=1-1


$35.00 + shipping -- A steal IMO.

I have two boards of an earlier version (hardware 2.02) than what is now
shipping that was fussy about the exact 1-wire temperature sensor used. The
contact tech team was very responsive and had the firmware re-written by the
team in Britain.

HTH ... Marc
Marc_F_Hult
www.ECOntrol.org

Christopher Glaeser

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Oct 25, 2009, 9:35:37 PM10/25/09
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> Do you need/want to absolutely restrict access to a single computer? If
> not,
> my preference would be for TCP/IP-based ( not usb, not RS-xxx, not bus).

My preference is also TCP/IP. I assumed that such a solution would be too
expensive. Thanks!!!

Best,
Christopher


Christopher Glaeser

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Oct 25, 2009, 9:48:51 PM10/25/09
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> WebControl is a $35 TCP/IP-based (web) device that I use and can recommend
> that would give you 8 TTL in, 8 TTL out, 3 analog in, multiple 1-wire
> temperature input, HIH-xxx humidity sensor input, etc:

It even supports email on digital I/O state change. Awesome! Thanks again
Marc.

Best,
Christopher


Marc_F_Hult

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Oct 26, 2009, 2:21:55 PM10/26/09
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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:13:57 -0400, Marc_F_Hult
<MFH...@nothydrologistnot.com> wrote in message
<dl79e5hc3kejt4f1t...@4ax.com>:

On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:48:51 -0700, "Christopher Glaeser" <nos...@nospam.com>
wrote in message <j6qdnZAQJK2anXjX...@giganews.com>:

Yes. And one can create rules using Boolean AND/OR logic with the various
inputs including TTL-level logic, 0-10vdc analog, temperature, Relative
Humidity, and Date+Time and delay timers to control the TTL outputs. The Real
Time clock (RTC) can be kept accurate by Network Time Protocol (NTP).

I'm considering these as an integral part of multi-unit, open-loop geothermal
HVAC for our house. Hardware for RS-232 and RS-485 inputs are on the
WebControl PCB but are still unsupported by the firmware. I had a useful
conversation with the manufacturer about the potential to support BACnet.
They are up against memory constraints in the microcontroller.

>http://www.cainetworks.com/manuals/webcontrol/WebControlUserGuide2-03-00.pdf
>http://www.cainetworks.com/manuals/webcontrol/HowtoWriteGUICodeforWebControl.pdf
>
>Find available suppliers through Amazon.com
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Webcontrol-Universal-Temperature-Humidity-Controller/dp/B001H4JXLU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1256497812&sr=1-1

At $35 including a steel case, IMO it's quite a bargain compared to some
other devices.

Uniden

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Oct 27, 2009, 1:28:32 PM10/27/09
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In article <4ae32b95...@news.comporium.net>,
shb*NO*SPAM*@comporium.net says...

This type of device works. It allows for reading and controlling 16
TTL/CMOS lines:

USBmicro U401/U421 found at
http://www.circuitgizmos.com/products/cgu421/cgu421.shtml
And the drivers are a part of the OS.

Josepi

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Oct 27, 2009, 11:04:07 PM10/27/09
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No. The word is bus. Something travels down a path or a strip of conductor
with multiple take off points. There is and never was such a thing as a Buss
bar. "Buss" has always only been the name of a fuse company and is confused
by many electrical people. English words are usually only changed by
USanians.

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Joe Pfeiffer

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Oct 27, 2009, 11:41:54 PM10/27/09
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"Josepi" <JRM@invalid..com> writes:

> No. The word is bus. Something travels down a path or a strip of conductor
> with multiple take off points. There is and never was such a thing as a Buss
> bar. "Buss" has always only been the name of a fuse company and is confused
> by many electrical people. English words are usually only changed by
> USanians.
>
> "Joe Pfeiffer" <pfei...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote in message
> news:1biqe69...@snowball.wb.pfeifferfamily.net...
>> "Josepi" <JRM@invalid..com> writes:
>>
>>> Makes sense and cheap but you did mention serial port.
>>>
>>> WTF is a "buss"? (obviously you work in the electrical field)
>>
>> Manufacturer of fuses, and probably a bunch of stuff I'm not aware of.
>> Also (and I don't know if this comes from the manufacturer, or some
>> alternate source), a "buss bar" is a power or ground bar in a circuit
>> breaker panel.
>>
>> The name has leaked over to become an occasional alternate spelling of
>> "bus" -- it happens enough I'm not even sure I'd call it a mis-spelling.
>

I've seen too many references that are older than I am to buss bars to
categorically say the term is wrong. For all I know Buss used to make
Buss bars, and the former trademark has become generic.

(and just think how much easier this conversation would be to follow if
you'd continued in the steps of the previous posters properly trimmed
and NOT TOP POSTED)

J Miller

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Oct 28, 2009, 2:13:23 AM10/28/09
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Wow.. Do you all get upset when a "facial tissue" is called a Kleenex?

I top post to PO people that get a bit to anal about things...

Robert L Bass

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:38:17 AM10/28/09
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"Joe Pfeiffer" wrote:
>
> I've seen too many references that are older than I am to buss bars to
> categorically say the term is wrong. For all I know Buss used to make
> Buss bars, and the former trademark has become generic.

Buss makes fuses. The term is bus bar. It's a common mistake but that
doesn't make it an alternate spelling.

> (and just think how much easier this conversation would be to follow if
> you'd continued in the steps of the previous posters properly trimmed
> and NOT TOP POSTED)

Oh, bullshit. Top post or bottom post as you like. I prefer to "mid-post"
:^)

Robert L Bass

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Oct 28, 2009, 9:40:06 AM10/28/09
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"J Miller" <reply@here> wrote:
>
> Wow.. Do you all get upset when a "facial tissue" is called a Kleenex?
>
> I top post to PO people that get a bit to anal about things...

I agree, but as long as we're going to be anal, it's "too anal" -- not "to
anal" :^)

RickH

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Oct 28, 2009, 6:53:04 PM10/28/09
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On Oct 25, 2:13 pm, Marc_F_Hult <MFH...@nothydrologistnot.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:30:00 -0700, "Christopher Glaeser" <nos...@nospam.com>
> wrote in message  <q76dnXyb3JEGC33XnZ2dnUVZ_i2dn...@giganews.com>:
> http://www.cainetworks.com/products/webcontrol/webcontrol-faq.htmlhttp://www.cainetworks.com/manuals/webcontrol/WebControlUserGuide2-03...

>
> or you can write your own GUI
>
> http://www.cainetworks.com/manuals/webcontrol/HowtoWriteGUICodeforWeb...
>
> Available/find suppliers through Amazon.com
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Webcontrol-Universal-Temperature-Humidity-Contr...

>
> $35.00 + shipping -- A steal IMO.
>
> I have two boards of an earlier version (hardware 2.02) than what is now
> shipping that was fussy about the exact 1-wire temperature sensor used. The
> contact tech team was very responsive and had the firmware re-written by the
> team in Britain.
>
> HTH ... Marc
> Marc_F_Hultwww.ECOntrol.org


Sweet, just plug it into my LAN and go. Every room already has cat5
jack, plus wifi access and access from anywhere in the world.

I've slowly been switching everything over to TCP/IP, security
cameras, dumped all my home control software in favor of a little
universal devices Insteon box, Belden usb hubs that talk to tcp have
also let me plug my movie cameras and other usb peripherals in one
place but access them directly on the LAN as though plugged into local
usb, my music/movie library is networked with windows home server,
etc.

Yup TCP/IP is the way to go I just may use this unit with a relay to
remote boot up a computer I need to get to remotely occasionally
(since this gizmo has its own web server) the big box can stay off
till needed. I can just browse this little guy from the office and
tell it to boot the big machine. Now I no longer have to keep that
machine running simply because "I might" have to get to it from work
that day, nice. Glad I read this thread.


RickH

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Oct 28, 2009, 6:54:31 PM10/28/09
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On Oct 27, 10:41 pm, Joe Pfeiffer <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote:
> "Josepi" <JRM@invalid..com> writes:
> > No. The word is bus. Something travels down a path or a strip of conductor
> > with multiple take off points. There is and never was such a thing as a Buss
> > bar. "Buss" has always only been the name of a fuse company and is confused
> > by many electrical people. English words are usually only changed by
> > USanians.
>
> > "Joe Pfeiffer" <pfeif...@cs.nmsu.edu> wrote in message

> >news:1biqe69...@snowball.wb.pfeifferfamily.net...
> >> "Josepi" <JRM@invalid..com> writes:
>
> >>> Makes sense and cheap but you did mention serial port.
>
> >>> WTF is a "buss"? (obviously you work in the electrical field)
>
> >> Manufacturer of fuses, and probably a bunch of stuff I'm not aware of.
> >> Also (and I don't know if this comes from the manufacturer, or some
> >> alternate source), a "buss bar" is a power or ground bar in a circuit
> >> breaker panel.
>
> >> The name has leaked over to become an occasional alternate spelling of
> >> "bus" -- it happens enough I'm not even sure I'd call it a mis-spelling.
>
> I've seen too many references that are older than I am to buss bars to
> categorically say the term is wrong.  For all I know Buss used to make
> Buss bars, and the former trademark has become generic.
>
> (and just think how much easier this conversation would be to follow if
> you'd continued in the steps of the previous posters properly trimmed
> and NOT TOP POSTED)
> --
> As we enjoy great advantages from the inventions of others, we should
> be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours;
> and this we should do freely and generously. (Benjamin Franklin)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yes I have seen the word used this way too, in fact in some old
electronic magazines.

Josepi

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Oct 30, 2009, 12:57:32 AM10/30/09
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It isn't too hard to figure out.

A "bus" runs from one place to another on a line. "Buss" is a brand name.
People have seen this misuse so many times in the electrical field they all
start to believe it 'cause nobody ever corrected them.

If we allow this go on **till** (no such word in this context) a few months
pass the Americans will have to make a new entry in their dictionary. That
ain't (no such word at all) happening...LOL


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ygo...@yoctopuce.com

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Oct 18, 2012, 2:07:42 AM10/18/12
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There is also the Yocto-Knob, for 5 inputs. Probably the smallest that you can find.
There is native driver-less support for most programming languages, as well as command line tools.
http://www.yoctopuce.com/EN/products/usb-sensors/yocto-knob
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