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Jean-Claude Terrier

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Mar 3, 2001, 1:00:31 AM3/3/01
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Hi everybody,

While we are still hip deep in snow and dealing with subzero
temperatures here in Montreal, I am trying to plan the landscape
lighting i intend to install as soon as the stuff melts.

1) To keep this a DIY project and for reasons of safety, flexibility and
changeability, I have decided on a low voltage power system (12V).

2) In order to minimize wire runs, I am planning to use multiple
transformers, 3 of them in the 350-500W range, each feeding a number of
circuits (say 3 each) for the "zoning" of lights (ie independent control
of circuits on each transformer).

3) For easy integration into my X-10 setup (switches, modules,
controllers, remotes, motion detectors, and soon cameras, under
Homeseer) and for climatic reasons (see above) I'd prefer to install the
transformers -- as well as the switching -- indoors. In fact, I
envisionned a set up where each circuit would be controlled by a X-10
Universal Module.

The problem I am faced with is that the Universal Module is rated for 5A
at 24V and 5 amp under 12V is only 60 Watts which amounts to 3 20-watt
lamps or 5 12-watt lamps with no slack left. That multiplies the number
of circuits needed and increases considerably the wiring required. Is
there any way I can use the UMs to switch bigger loads or is there
another solution that fits the above parameters. I am no expert on
relays but I can follow a detailed explanation and get outside help if
need be.

Ancillary questions:

a) Could I dim the lights by "dimming" the transformer (If yes, any
restrictions as to type of transformer)

b) Is there some kind of terminal (screw type?) available I could use to
easily split the output of the transformer into all these cicuits (many
10- or 12-gauge wires)

Thanks in advance for any advice.

JCT
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Mark Lloyd

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Mar 3, 2001, 1:56:14 AM3/3/01
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In article <3AA0887B...@sogetra.com>, jter...@sogetra.com says...
There's the RLY8-XA (http://www.appdig.com/rly8xa.html), which has 8
relays capable of switching 10A. This unit can be controlled by X10
(using a TW523) or connected to the Ocelot.
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Dan Wright

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Mar 3, 2001, 11:19:49 AM3/3/01
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"Jean-Claude Terrier" <jter...@sogetra.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> While we are still hip deep in snow and dealing with subzero
> temperatures here in Montreal, I am trying to plan the landscape
> lighting i intend to install as soon as the stuff melts.
>
> 1) To keep this a DIY project and for reasons of safety, flexibility and
> changeability, I have decided on a low voltage power system (12V).
>
> 2) In order to minimize wire runs, I am planning to use multiple
> transformers, 3 of them in the 350-500W range, each feeding a number of
> circuits (say 3 each) for the "zoning" of lights (ie independent control
> of circuits on each transformer).
>
> 3) For easy integration into my X-10 setup (switches, modules,
> controllers, remotes, motion detectors, and soon cameras, under
> Homeseer) and for climatic reasons (see above) I'd prefer to install the
> transformers -- as well as the switching -- indoors. In fact, I
> envisionned a set up where each circuit would be controlled by a X-10
> Universal Module.
>
> The problem I am faced with is that the Universal Module is rated for 5A
> at 24V and 5 amp under 12V is only 60 Watts which amounts to 3 20-watt
> lamps or 5 12-watt lamps with no slack left. That multiplies the number
> of circuits needed and increases considerably the wiring required. Is
> there any way I can use the UMs to switch bigger loads or is there
> another solution that fits the above parameters. I am no expert on
> relays but I can follow a detailed explanation and get outside help if
> need be.

Look at an x10 based relay controllers. Applied Digitial makes one (8
relays) as do others. I want to remember that at least one vendor makes
them in 4 relay configuration.


>
> Ancillary questions:
>
> a) Could I dim the lights by "dimming" the transformer (If yes, any
> restrictions as to type of transformer)
>
> b) Is there some kind of terminal (screw type?) available I could use to
> easily split the output of the transformer into all these cicuits (many
> 10- or 12-gauge wires)

Look at mouser.com or equivalent for terminal strips.

Jean-Claude Terrier

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Mar 3, 2001, 5:20:03 PM3/3/01
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Dan Wright wrote:

> "Jean-Claude Terrier" <jter...@sogetra.com> wrote in message
> news:3AA0887B...@sogetra.com...
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> Look at an x10 based relay controllers. Applied Digitial makes one (8
> relays) as do others. I want to remember that at least one vendor makes
> them in 4 relay configuration.
>

An 8-relay controller would be overkill, not to mention expensive. I'll search
for a 4-relay version

>
>
> > b) Is there some kind of terminal (screw type?) available I could use to
> > easily split the output of the transformer into all these cicuits (many
> > 10- or 12-gauge wires)
>
> Look at mouser.com or equivalent for terminal strips.
>

Thanks for that link. They should have what I am looking for.

Harvey Jeane

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Mar 3, 2001, 8:15:52 PM3/3/01
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JCT,

Use appliance or fixture relay modules to switch the primary side of the
transformers (i.e., 120VAC side), not the low voltage side. This reduces the
current requirements by a considerable amount. I currently X-10 control two
600W transformers using a fixture relay module in each. They have been
running for over 2 years with no problems.

With appliance and/or fixture relay modules, you do not have the ability to
dim. My experience with Malibu type lighting is that you don't want to dim
it - it is dim enough at its brightest.

Harv


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