Alternatives?

Joe Delphi

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Mar 9, 2005, 8:20:23 PM3/9/05

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Hi,

I just noticed that the price for Adobe Photoshop 7 is around $544
(US) which is a little out of my price range.

I need a photo editor that is more sophisticated than Microsoft
Paint, but not as high-end as Adobe Photoshop 7.

Any suggestions? I am willing to pay in the $200-$250 (US) range.
Is there a "student" version of PhotoShop similar to the student version of
Microsoft Office?

JD

Becki

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Mar 9, 2005, 9:52:08 PM3/9/05

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Have you considered PaintShopPro..last I checked it was well within your
price range.

jjs

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Mar 9, 2005, 9:58:56 PM3/9/05

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Joe Delphi wrote:

> I need a photo editor that is more sophisticated than Microsoft
> Paint, but not as high-end as Adobe Photoshop 7.

Photoshop Elements, of course. But then, I believe your query is just a
setup for someone plugging some POS software.

Tom Thomas

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Mar 10, 2005, 7:40:25 AM3/10/05

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"Joe Delphi" <delp...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

If you are a legitimate student you can buy the full version of
Photoshop CS for $299 -- only slightly above your stated price range.
As noted in JJS's reply, you can get much of Photoshop's functionality
for the casual user in Photoshop Elements, priced at $69 for the
educational version.
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js

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Mar 10, 2005, 12:24:16 PM3/10/05

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Have you considered GIMP 2 (www.gimp.org) It is a great -- and I mean it! --
image processing program and it is in public domain! It may seem a bit
intimidating at first encounter but it has a very well laid out help and
lots of features.
Good luck!
IK

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Hecate

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Mar 10, 2005, 5:53:36 PM3/10/05

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Photoshop Elements. Most of Photoshop for about a tenth of the price.

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edjh

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Mar 10, 2005, 6:57:18 PM3/10/05

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Better than Gimp might be Photoline 32. It supports CMYK and Photoshop
plugins and has lots of other neat features.

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Mar 11, 2005, 5:36:47 AM3/11/05

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On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 01:20:23 GMT, "Joe Delphi"
<delp...@nospam.earthlink.net> wrote:

[snip]

> I need a photo editor that is more sophisticated than Microsoft
>Paint, but not as high-end as Adobe Photoshop 7.

OK, other posts have mentioned the well known alternatives such as
Photoshop Elements and JASC Paint Shop Pro.

One bit of software well worth checking out is Paint.net which is
free...

http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/paint.net/

It's in development but may be quite useful.

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RSD99

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Mar 11, 2005, 10:35:57 AM3/11/05

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Digital Light and Color's Picture Window and Picture Window Pro. Designed
by a photographer, for photographic images.

www.dl-c.com/Temp

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Tacit

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Mar 11, 2005, 11:42:20 AM3/11/05

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In <nuj13197o0vnk5imk...@4ax.com>, Hecate wrote:
> Photoshop Elements. Most of Photoshop for about a tenth of the price.

Well...about a tenth of Photoshop for a tenth the price. But since most
people only see and use a tenth of Photoshop anyway, and aren't even
aware that the other nine-tenths exist... :)

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Mar 11, 2005, 4:51:19 PM3/11/05

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You were correct... only I see two plugs, haaaaa

JR the postman

David Dyer-Bennet

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Mar 11, 2005, 7:18:25 PM3/11/05

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Tacit <tac...@aol.com> writes:

> In <nuj13197o0vnk5imk...@4ax.com>, Hecate wrote:
>> Photoshop Elements. Most of Photoshop for about a tenth of the price.
>
> Well...about a tenth of Photoshop for a tenth the price. But since most
> people only see and use a tenth of Photoshop anyway, and aren't even
> aware that the other nine-tenths exist... :)

Most people only use about a tenth of Photoshop -- okay, I'll buy
that. I'll even buy it applies to me.

*But*, I'm pretty sure the tenth I use isn't entirely the same tenth
you use.

I use adjustment layers a lot, myself; and even more now that I'm on
CS with 16-bit adjustment layers.
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Hecate

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Mar 11, 2005, 7:03:42 PM3/11/05

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On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 16:42:20 GMT, Tacit <tac...@aol.com> wrote:

>In <nuj13197o0vnk5imk...@4ax.com>, Hecate wrote:
>> Photoshop Elements. Most of Photoshop for about a tenth of the price.
>
>Well...about a tenth of Photoshop for a tenth the price. But since most
>people only see and use a tenth of Photoshop anyway, and aren't even
>aware that the other nine-tenths exist... :)

<g> Well, without the printing capability, but there are things you
can do to make up for some of the omissions, including curves.

David Dyer-Bennet

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Mar 11, 2005, 7:34:57 PM3/11/05

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"RSD99" <rsdwla...@gte.net> writes:

> Digital Light and Color's Picture Window and Picture Window Pro. Designed
> by a photographer, for photographic images.
>
> www.dl-c.com/Temp

Yep, Picture Window Pro is really lovely. It has the best "curves"
tool I've ever seen (and that's the most important tool for "darkroom"
type work on an image), and the best detail color correction tool (so
good they make it as a photoshop plugin, too, "color mechanic pro")
too.

It doesn't match my preferred working style for serious work,
unfortunately (or I could have saved quite a few dollars sent
Adobe-wards over the years!). No adjustment layers or other kind of
layers; all changes are permanent, and all the changes are
inseparable. (There's plenty of "undo" and such, so long as you're in
one work session you can always go back; but not between sessions,
except to specific files you saved along the way).

(I really don't want to try to argue this is the "best" or "only"
working style or even that it's "better", and certainly not "more
valid", mind you. Just the style *I* like to use.)

This is sort-of okay for Q&D or commercial type work (at least so long
as I *realize* that I'm starting down a risky avenue of exploration
and save a version before that!). But for trying to make
exhibition-quality prints, I really need to take my time and let
things "cool off" and look at them again later, and make little tweaks
(for that kind of printing I often have more than three curves
adjustment layers each with a layer mask, and I might tweak either the
curves or the layer mask or both many times before settling on the
final version).

So, if *your* working style is comfortable with making up your mind
and sticking to it, Picture Window Pro is very much worth
considering.

Oh, it also has some of the best geometric distortion tools
(perspective adjustment, barrel and pincushion distortion, and also
chromatic aberration).

RSD99

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Mar 12, 2005, 11:26:14 AM3/12/05

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Agree ... I **REALLY** wish that PWP had Layers *and* Adjustment Layers.

Norman Koran also has several excellent tutorials on using PWP for "Fine
Art" photography. See
http://www.normankoren.com/sitemap.html

Oh ... forgot to mention that the 'Pro' version is a true 16-bit per color
program ...

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