SAY!! What's the DEAL HERE?!
Dr. Giggles (Esquire)
NOTE: if you are not the ones who e-mailed me or posted replies to
some of my stuff calling me an "asshole", or who concurs with anyone
who says I'm an "Asshole", then don't read this.
(Well, you CAN, for entertainment purposes)
In a matter of days, I have received some of the most "pansyotic"
responses to some of my more "critical" posts. I mean, I thought the
whole IDEA of this medium was to share our views about whatever was
presented? To clarify...
*ahem*
So what if I see someone spam a web link with a tag saying: "tell me
what ya think!" I'm gonna look at it, and tell em what I think!! And
if it happens to be a bad site, I'm not gonna "sugar coat" it... I was
not raised by Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse. I was not raised in the
Leave it to Beaver world where the worst case scenario is whether or
not Suzy will see my pimple on prom night.
I'm being REAL in my responses. If you think it's being MEAN, so be
it. If you have a TWIT FILTER capable newsreader, I suggest you use
it (Forte's Agent and NewsXPress come to mind--just don't use
Netscape's crap). And if you did, it'd be a win-win situation.
1) You won't see my "mean" and "belligerent" posts downing anyone's
web page or giving someone some stern but helpful advice.
2) I won't have to worry about you sorry little Similac kids reading
my stuff and replying with your diarrhea drivel. Plus, I'll have MY
killfilter on. No catch-22 here, nosiree bobbo!!
I wouldn't miss a damn thing from you suckers that whined to me in
here and in e-mail, cause you don't provide any sort of content your
DAMN selves. Look in the damn mirror before you open your big yaps and
place your crusty, stank, feets it em. Sucka Perpetrators...
I don't know about you soft, marshmallow, psychologically disturbed
rejects from an AOL chatroom are here, but I'M here to read and learn
more about PS, and how to do certain "Tricks." And if I feel like
injecting a comment or two, I'll do it. If you don't like it, fine.
YOU can reply to it. But if you do, come to the table with some
sense. Attacking my "mental" and "emotional" state is useless and
trite, plus it shows me that you are just as shallow and "stupid" as
you are making ME out to be.
Glass house/rocks.
If you insult me, I won't care in the least. Unlike most of you
idiots that felt the need to whine at me in e-mail, I HAVE a life. I
HAVE a direction in where I'm going. I don't rely on USENET to make
some "friends" as I can communicate very well IN REAL LIFE! My mental
state is normal. Is YOURS? If you take things so damn seriously that
you're thinking about them even when you go to bed at night, you have
problems, kiddo...
So go ahead. Call me a moron, asshole, etc. I don't care, but that
doesn't mean I'll sit there and not say anything--intially (before I
killfile your lame ass).
When I close my newsreader, that's it. I don't think about USENET
nonsense (90% of USENET *IS* nonsense--including this article).
I go back to my normal life. What do YOU do when you close YOUR
newsreader--if at all.
Bottom line, just killfile me if you think I'm some fuckin ogre or
don't read my messages. I don't wanna read anything from some tit
suckling crybaby morons such as yourselves anyway.
NOW. Despite my "assholio than thou" approach to some things, there is
concern and compassion in my message. Like when I "slammed" that
guy's web page. He's e-mailed me several times, giving updates on
what's being changed.
Now, would he have even BOTHERED if no one stepped up to the plate and
HIT HARD like I did? If you had sugar coated your response (if you
even fuckin cared), he'd've probably not pay too much attention.
If you think I'm a too tough asshole, you know what you can do.
Personally, I don't care either way. But when I got a barrage of
bullshit e-mails from whiners, I just HAD to respond.
Just the type of wimpy litigious pussy(willow)s that clog up our
justice system with frivolous shit (despite laws against it).
Amazingly, they are ALSO the one's who always got beat up and picked
on by the school bully (and who become abusive cops--but that's for
alt.law-enforcement).
Get a life, will ya? For YOUR Sake.
L8r.
(now let's get back to discussion graphic apps, okay?)
Dr. G.
P.S. Don't bother trying to e-mail me again, fools. I won't even see
it.
P.P.S. -- If you are anti-Dr. Giggles, please feel free to reply
publicy, as that will aid me in the identification of who to killfile.
Thanks.
Michael
Hey Doc,
I read that "nasty" little posting you put here about the content of
that persons web page. Unfortunately, I never saw the page, but have
been observing your responses and comments.
BRAVO!!!
It is nice to know that there are some people willing to be honest in
their criticisms. I took your posting as a positive sign, apparently
some others did not. Oh well, too bad for them.
Also... it is good to know that the individual you "slammed" has been
adult enough to consider you, and possibly others, for future
constructive replys. It appears as though he has a real intent on
doing a good job, and wants to learn. Good for him/her!
Lisa Leone
In article <339cc370...@news2.cais.com>
docgiggles@NO_SPAMhotmail.com (Dr. Giggles (Esquire)) writes:
> So what if I see someone spam a web link with a tag saying: "tell me
> what ya think!" I'm gonna look at it, and tell em what I think!! And
> if it happens to be a bad site, I'm not gonna "sugar coat" it...
Here here!
I've come to the realization that people who ask for your honest
opinion about their sites don't want it any more than the ditzy friend
who begs for your advice on her love life then goes out and does
whatever the hell she wants. In other words, I suspect these people
want your approval rather than your opinion. Well, to these people I
say "grow up." Anything artistic is subjective, and there will
inevitably be someone who doesn't like it.
Bottom line: if you can't handle negative criticism, don't invite
criticism.
People starting out in any endeavor need time to find their rhythm.
Their first works are expected to be rough. They are expected to suffer
occasional ego-bruising blows as they work to polish themselves.
Criticism is not a personal attack, it is an integral part of the
process of professional development. Someday you too will look back on
some piece of work and think "My GOD! What was I SMOKING!" And then
you'll realize it has all made you what you are today.
____________________________________________________________
Lisa Leone
Document Specialist
li...@gordian.com
Mike Christy
Want to critique my site? Go ahead and give it to me...I like it rough.
:)
Mr. M.W. Christy (Graphic Artist)
E-Mail at: mailto:mikec...@worldnet.att.net
Site is at: http://home.att.net/~mikechristy
none
> Want to critique my site? Go ahead and give it to me...I like it rough.
>
> :)
Very nice work!!
Michelle
Mike Christy
My goodness...you guys are too easy...I am sure there is something that
you did not like about the site...
Michelle...do you have a site up? Are you brave and want to give out
the address?
:)
Colin Wilson
Mike Christy wrote:
> Want to critique my site? Go ahead and give it to me...I like it rough.
It's very nice! ;-)
Colin Wilson
Remove ** for correct E-mail address
====================================
"Nothing is impossible for the person who doesn't have to do it."
Weller's Law
Kenny A. Chaffin
Mike Christy wrote:
> none wrote:
> >
> > > Want to critique my site? Go ahead and give it to me...I like it
> rough.
> > >
> > > :)
> >
> > Very nice work!!
> >
> > Michelle
> >
> > >
> > > Mr. M.W. Christy (Graphic Artist)
> > > E-Mail at: mailto:mikec...@worldnet.att.net
> > > Site is at: http://home.att.net/~mikechristy
>
> My goodness...you guys are too easy...I am sure there is something
> that
> you did not like about the site...
>
> Michelle...do you have a site up? Are you brave and want to give out
> the address?
>
> :)
>
> Mr. M.W. Christy (Graphic Artist)
> E-Mail at: mailto:mikec...@worldnet.att.net
> Site is at: http://home.att.net/~mikechristy
Hi Mike,
It is a nice site. The graphics file sizes are really big though,
100, 75 K take a while to download. It's all a trade off...
Best,
KAC
Website Design, Programming, Applets and More --> http://www.kacweb.com
Now Available: Multi-Channel Server-Push Java Ticker ------^^^^^^^
ke...@kacweb.com
Charon
>Mike Christy wrote:
>
>> none wrote:
>> >
>> > > Want to critique my site? Go ahead and give it to me...I like it
>> rough.
>> > >
>> > > :)
>> >
>> > Very nice work!!
>> >
>> > Michelle
>> >
>>
>> My goodness...you guys are too easy...I am sure there is something
>> that
>> you did not like about the site...
If you're that desperate for criticism, I'll dig deep here and bitch
about a very petty thing...
You claimed the verywide.jpg was a triple screen image, in 1024x768
it's only a two screen. Happy now? That's all I could find wrong :)
>>
>> Mr. M.W. Christy (Graphic Artist)
>> E-Mail at: mailto:mikec...@worldnet.att.net
>> Site is at: http://home.att.net/~mikechristy
>
> Hi Mike,
> It is a nice site. The graphics file sizes are really big though,
>100, 75 K take a while to download. It's all a trade off...
>
>Best,
>KAC
>Website Design, Programming, Applets and More --> http://www.kacweb.com
>Now Available: Multi-Channel Server-Push Java Ticker ------^^^^^^^
>ke...@kacweb.com
>
>
Actually, I don't think waiting a couple minutes for quality graphics
like these is any problem at all. Before the WWW, you'd have to drive
or walk down to the local bookstore or printshop at the mall and
search for quite a while to find great artwork. Seems like the web
has all but obliterated the trait we call patience.
Anyway...Helluva fine site Mike! Couple of questions for you though,
what programs are you using on the verywide.jpg and who's face is that
in the shadows?
--Rick
email: charon.at.erols.dot.com (you know the deal)
Photoshop tutorials and other debris at
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/2237/
He had a lot to say.
He had a lot of nothing to say
We'll miss him.
-Eulogy
Mike Christy
Kenny A. Chaffin wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
> It is a nice site. The graphics file sizes are really big though,
> 100, 75 K take a while to download. It's all a trade off...
>
> Best,
> KAC
I don't like to put up bad quality images...that is why I save the jpg's
in the highest quality that I can. Even the gif thumb-nails are in good
quality.
If people don't want to wait...that is their choice.
Erik Johnson
>> > Want to critique my site? Go ahead and give it to me...I like it rough.
>> Very nice work!!
>My goodness...you guys are too easy...I am sure there is something that
>you did not like about the site...
The graphics look *great*, but they take a loong time to download.
I believe it would seem a little faster if you used height and width
parameters in your img tags. You also might consider using higher
jpeg compression for your thumbnails.
-Erik Johnson
er...@phidias.colorado.edu
http://phidias.colorado.edu/vgallery.html
Mike Christy
Erik Johnson wrote:
>
> The graphics look *great*, but they take a loong time to download.
> I believe it would seem a little faster if you used height and width
> parameters in your img tags. You also might consider using higher
> jpeg compression for your thumbnails.
I know the big image at the top of the site is slow...but it is big and
it is a gif in interlace mode so that there is something there to look
at pretty quick...it may be blurry and strange at first but it clears up
fairly quickly with a 28-8 modem...the thumbnails come in really quick I
thought...
Oh...well...I would have to lean how to do the height and width thing
and I don't know if I want to do that...I am still trying to figure out
the paint program, much less learn HTML, more than I have.
If I compress the thumbnails more than I am they start getting pretty
crappy looking. I may play with that a little...though.
Adam Frix
> Kenny A. Chaffin wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> > It is a nice site. The graphics file sizes are really big though,
> > 100, 75 K take a while to download. It's all a trade off...
> >
> > Best,
> > KAC
>
>
> I don't like to put up bad quality images...that is why I save the jpg's
> in the highest quality that I can. Even the gif thumb-nails are in good
> quality.
>
> If people don't want to wait...that is their choice.
>
> :)
>
>
>
>
> Mr. M.W. Christy (Graphic Artist)
> E-Mail at: mailto:mikec...@worldnet.att.net
> Site is at: http://home.att.net/~mikechristy
If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any artistic
value?
Your tree may be falling, but nobody's going to be there to hear
it--therefore it won't make any noise.
--
I can't post unless my return address shows my Sprynet mail address--which
I don't use. The one above is bogus. So start with
7072...@compusnerve.com--and if you can figure out what's wrong with that
address and fix it, you can send me email. Hint: it's extremely obvious.
Thanks, spammers, for forcing this kind of crap.
Mike Christy
Adam Frix wrote:
>
> If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any artistic
> value?
>
> Your tree may be falling, but nobody's going to be there to hear
> it--therefore it won't make any noise.
I think the tree makes noise even if no one is there to hear it.
Do you really think that value comes from the viewer?
I don't. I think the value comes from the creation...I also choose to
share the results of that creation with others...if they choose to not
wait to see the results ... that is their choice.
Kenny A. Chaffin
Mike Christy wrote:
> Adam Frix wrote:
>
> >
> > If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any
> artistic
> > value?
> >
> > Your tree may be falling, but nobody's going to be there to hear
> > it--therefore it won't make any noise.
Prove it.
KAC
Website Design, Programming, Applets and More --> http://www.kacweb.com
Mike Christy
Kenny A. Chaffin wrote:
>
> Mike Christy wrote:
>
> > Adam Frix wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any
> > artistic
> > > value?
> > >
> > > Your tree may be falling, but nobody's going to be there to hear
> > > it--therefore it won't make any noise.
>
> Prove it.
>
He can't. There is no evidence to support the idea that trees fall
silently UNLESS there are people there to hear noise.
Just as he is unable to support the idea that art has no value UNLESS
someone sees it.
Adam Frix
> Mike Christy wrote:
>
> > Adam Frix wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any
> > artistic
> > > value?
> > >
> > > Your tree may be falling, but nobody's going to be there to hear
> > > it--therefore it won't make any noise.
>
> Prove it.
You can create something all you want, but if no one else wants to see it
then the only value it has is the value *you* put on it.
If artists want to create solely for the pleasure of creating, without
wanting to make the creation available to the public, that's fine. But
don't expect the public to listen when you say that "I've created
something; you can't really see it, but believe me, it's incredibly
wonderful." Bah.
Charon
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 11:19:24 -0400, dont...@sprynet.com (Adam Frix)
wrote:
>In article <33A3C621...@kacweb.com>, ke...@kacweb.com wrote:
>
> > Mike Christy wrote:
> >
> > > Adam Frix wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any
> > > artistic
> > > > value?
> > > >
> > > > Your tree may be falling, but nobody's going to be there to hear
> > > > it--therefore it won't make any noise.
> >
> > Prove it.
>
>You can create something all you want, but if no one else wants to see it
>then the only value it has is the value *you* put on it.
>
>If artists want to create solely for the pleasure of creating, without
>wanting to make the creation available to the public, that's fine. But
>don't expect the public to listen when you say that "I've created
>something; you can't really see it, but believe me, it's incredibly
>wonderful." Bah.
Fer Christ's sake! The man's work is great! If waiting a few
minutes is too much of a burden, then what do you appriciate? I can
get a Big Mac in two minutes but I'd rather go to a decent restaurant
and get a lobster tail...it takes a few minutes longer, but is well
worth it. Seems like the attitude is so much I me mine right now no
time to wait my 3 minutes isn't worth the months/years Mike put into
creating these pictures for us to see for almost no cost. Damn...if
you don't want to wait, then you're the one who's missing out. Would
you go out and buy a Hundai or a Pinto because you didn't want to wait
until you had enough cash in the bank to buy a car that's not a
rolling piece of dung?
Sorry I exploded there, but this is getting pretty ridiculous. Trees
and noise and such.....sheesh!
--Rick
Photoshop FAQ tutorials and other debris at
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Quad/2237/
"He had alot to say.
He had alot of nothing to say.
We'll miss him."
-Tool
"Eulogy"
sho...@ibm.net
>If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any
>artistic value?
I personally think the act of creating an artistic work can have
artistic value to the artist even if no one else ever sees (or hears)
it. Does artistic value exit only when the work is shared?
The question, I think, is more one of audience. An artist can say I'm
publicizing my work in *this* way. Implication is that potential
viewers who don't like that way will exclude themselves from the
audience. Some will not travel a long way to see a work in a museum;
others will not wait for slow downloads, and on... Maybe question might
be 'Is an artist's view of the artistic value of his or her creation
influenced by the number of people who see the work(s)?
Getting a bit off Photoshop topic, but I'm not sure where this thread
would best be posted.
Charon
(sometimes, I just don' t know when to shut up :)
Speaking of trees and such....
Sound is sinusoidal disturbance or vibration of a liquid, solid, or
gas.
Noise is that disturbance or vibration as percieved by the ear.
To answer the old question: Yes, a tree makes a sound if nobody is
around to hear it. However it doesn't make any *noise*.
Now let's get back to photoshop where these metaphors can be removed
by skillful manipulation of the alpha channel mask :)
Adam Frix
In article <33a6194c....@news.erols.com>, Rick
(charon.at.erols.dot.com) wrote:
> Sorry I exploded there, but this is getting pretty ridiculous. Trees
> and noise and such.....sheesh!
Well, I agree. I thought Mike's attitude was pretty damned ridiculous to
start with.
Mike Christy
Adam Frix wrote:
>
> In article <33a6194c....@news.erols.com>, Rick
> (charon.at.erols.dot.com) wrote:
>
> > Sorry I exploded there, but this is getting pretty ridiculous. Trees
> > and noise and such.....sheesh!
>
> Well, I agree. I thought Mike's attitude was pretty damned ridiculous to
> start with.
>
You are not buying my attitude, so your judgment of my attitude is
irrelevant.
You are not buying my art either...I am giving it away free on my
site...so you don't have any influence on my attitude or my art.
So neener neener.
:)
I can be as childish as the next person...but keeping my "child" alive
and well is part of my job...that is who generates my drawings.
John Pangia
Mike Christy wrote:
> I think the value comes from the creation...I also choose to
> share the results of that creation with others...if they choose to not
> wait to see the results ... that is their choice.
>
Hey Mike,
Granted, artistic value comes from creation, but some value has to be
placed by the viewer, otherwise the piece may have merit, but no value.
I'm sure Mobil placed a value on those signs you used to paint.
(That was just a reality check... no blood-letting intended)
John
--
Altered Images
http://www.jersey.net/~usns
Mike Christy
John Pangia wrote:
>
> Mike Christy wrote:
> > I think the value comes from the creation...I also choose to
> > share the results of that creation with others...if they choose to not
> > wait to see the results ... that is their choice.
> >
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> Granted, artistic value comes from creation, but some value has to be
Only to the viewer...the artist is done with the work, the artist has
moved on to other things ...other projects.
The creator has been done with the work, usually for some time, when the
viewer then places HIS value on the work that is completed. The artist
has been rewarded by the internal value that the artist places on the
creation process.
It is an added value that someone pays when they buy the art when
completed.
The artist must generate art...there is no choice...that creation must
happen for artists to be artists. When someone buys the art that value
is in addition to the value that the artist has created and paid to
himself.
The creation of art is an internal transaction that needs no one else to
be complete.
:)
> I'm sure Mobil placed a value on those signs you used to paint.
I would not have been able to do that job if I did not place a value on
the work seperate from MOBIL oil...I found reward that was seperate from
the MONEY that they paid me...or I would not have been able to do the
work for the amount of years that I did.
I created 50 or so airbrush paintings on scrap plexaglass while creating
those signs...those paintings were my payment for doing those
signs...those paintings fed my inner "child" that was painting MOBIL
oil's signs along with paintings the "he" wanted to create.
:)
Those Mobil Oil signs had no value to me in themselves...but they
allowed me to create other things that did have value...so the
transaction was in ballance.
:)
There was the small value in doing the Mobil Oil signs well...as in a
"job well done" but that alone or even in combination with the money
would not have allowed me to continue to do that job for the amount of
time that I did. The creation of art that was of value to me added just
enough to ballance the ledger.
Colin Wilson
Adam Frix wrote:
> If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any
> artistic value?
If you are interested in (heavy going) questions of this sort, read "Art
and its Objects" by Richard Wollheim, first published by Harper and Row
in 1968, later by Penguin, UK, 1975.
It has been described as the best modern book on philosophical
aesthetics.
Kenny A. Chaffin
Mike Christy wrote:
> Kenny A. Chaffin wrote:
> >
> > Mike Christy wrote:
> >
> > > Adam Frix wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have
> any
> > > artistic
> > > > value?
> > > >
> > > > Your tree may be falling, but nobody's going to be there to hear
>
> > > > it--therefore it won't make any noise.
> >
> > Prove it.
> >
>
> He can't. There is no evidence to support the idea that trees fall
> silently UNLESS there are people there to hear noise.
>
> Just as he is unable to support the idea that art has no value UNLESS
> someone sees it.
>
> :)
> My Point Exactly.
KAC
Website Design, Programming, Applets and More --> http://www.kacweb.com
ke...@kacweb.com
Adam Frix
> Mike Christy wrote:
> >
> > Just as he is unable to support the idea that art has no value UNLESS
> > someone sees it.
> >
> > :)
> > My Point Exactly.
It has whatever value the viewer puts on it; if the artist is the only one
to view it......
It may have value (to the artist), but it certainly has no *point*.
Mike Christy
Adam Frix wrote:
>
> In article <33A51E2D...@kacweb.com>, ke...@kacweb.com wrote:
>
> > Mike Christy wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as he is unable to support the idea that art has no value UNLESS
> > > someone sees it.
> > >
> > > :)
> > > My Point Exactly.
>
> It has whatever value the viewer puts on it; if the artist is the only one
> to view it......
>
> It may have value (to the artist), but it certainly has no *point*.
>
So what "point" does the viewer add to the art that the art does not
already have?
What do YOU add to one of my drawings when you view it?
:)
Grey
Adam Frix wrote:
> If an artist makes a creation but nobody sees it, does it have any
> artistic
> value?
>
> Your tree may be falling, but nobody's going to be there to hear
> it--therefore it won't make any noise.
Artistic Value for an artist is irrelevant... an artist creates because
he enjoys the act of creation, or the result, or both, he may create
because no one else is doing what he wants to see and enjoy... the very
idea that *other* people have to see his work for it to have value is
ridiculous. If He sees it, and enjoys it... it has value to him, and
f*ck the rest of the world.
Grey
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/4235/
Jeff Atnip
I heard this one the other day: If a man talks all by himself in a
forest, is he still always wrong?
--
Jeff Atnip
Adam Frix
In article <33A67E...@opus.fedex.com>, Jeff Atnip
<ja22...@opus.fedex.com> wrote:
> I heard this one the other day: If a man talks all by himself in a
> forest, is he still always wrong?
I don't know; you tell *us*.