Remind Me Mike Russell...Please!
Mohamed Al-Dabbagh
It's been a long long time since I was here. From the (g)old friends
in Photoshop groups I can see Mike Russell only. I think that all
people in this group owe him an acknowledgement for all the help he
offers.
For those who don't know about Mike I say that he started as an
authority in tweaking with Curves. Everyone in PS ng's, I am no
exception, were really waiting for his posts on Curves.
I also miss my old dear friend Janee Aronoff (Janee). From other names
I still remember (though he is not a friend of mine) is Franklin
(tacit.r). I notice that he abandoned PS groups. He was of a great
help.
I also remember RossF whom I still don't know his real name. He was a
real help machine and followed up the group relentlessly. Many (g)old
contributors to PS ng's.
Please, Mike help me remember them. Yes, I also remembered that
bearded old guy: MikeC. He also vanished! He was a great designer and
source of sense of humor.
For those whom I didn't remember, the forgotten soldiers, please
pardon me.
I hope people here would remind me. I wish we have a list of these
gurus with their real names. I hate nicks, but I respect other's
privacy. Regards to you all, experts and newbies.
Mohamed Al-Dabbagh
Senior Graphic Designer
Mathematics and Physics Teacher
Kabuki
"Mohamed Al-Dabbagh" <mohamed_a...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4de5b2b5-a2c2-408e...@g12g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
I remember you but I changed my nickname since that time
and sorry I would not put my real name here
too many trolls
hint ----> =^.^=
Mike Russell
Mike Russell
> Hi Everybody, Especially Mike Russell,
Thanks - I can go for weeks on a compliment like that, Mohamed.
...
> I also miss my old dear friend Janee Aronoff (Janee). From other names
Janee is still reachable on her web site - myjanee.com - though it was nice
to have her posting here on a daily basis.
> I still remember (though he is not a friend of mine) is Franklin
> (tacit.r). I notice that he abandoned PS groups. He was of a great
> help.
Yes, I agree. Great guy. One of the few who knew about CMYK.
> I also remember RossF whom I still don't know his real name. He was a
> real help machine and followed up the group relentlessly. Many (g)old
> contributors to PS ng's.
Ross, too. He couldn't resist tangling with Mike C. Very amusing.
> Please, Mike help me remember them. Yes, I also remembered that
> bearded old guy: MikeC. He also vanished! He was a great designer and
> source of sense of humor.
Re Mike Christie, be careful what you wish for, LOL. Talented, but with
many carefully pointed sharp edges aimed at (what he calls) silly people.
> For those whom I didn't remember, the forgotten soldiers, please
> pardon me.
Here are some more that I remember: Hecate, Katwoman, flowerpot, Dorothy
Combs, and I'm sure there are still more. Each of these people, with the
probable exception, sadly, of Hecate, are off on other groups, still
contributing.
It's not the people that are gone, so much, as that Usenet itself is like a
slowly fading lamp. It still gives good light. Speaking for myself, I'll
be around, most likely, until it goes out. Then, it's time to rub our
eyes, as if Usenet were a dream, and waken to the lustrous glow of places
like www.dgrin.com , www.retouchpro.com, www.flickr.com, and other web
sites where you can actually (imagine) talk about photographs instead of
about words.
Oh, and www.curvemeister.com/gallery is spinning up a new set of
curvemeister challenges - check it out!
> I hope people here would remind me. I wish we have a list of these
> gurus with their real names. I hate nicks, but I respect other's
> privacy. Regards to you all, experts and newbies.
All the best (is yet to come),
Bob Williams
Chris Cox on the Adobe Staff, frequently jumped in to clarify how PS
handled its image data.
Bob Williams
John Stafford
If I recall correctly, Mohamed, you had some advanced ideas on how PS
could be improved.
Regardless, I've never left here. I did change my name.
--
Pico diGoliardi
Mohamed Al-Dabbagh
> "Mohamed Al-Dabbagh" <mohamed_al_dabb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
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Is that a cat ? You can be catwoman
Mohamed Al-Dabbagh
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:09:34 -0800 (PST), Mohamed Al-Dabbagh wrote:
> > Hi Everybody, Especially Mike Russell,
>
> Thanks - I can go for weeks on a compliment like that, Mohamed.
>
> ...
>
> > I also miss my old dear friend Janee Aronoff (Janee). From other names
>
> Janee is still reachable on her web site - myjanee.com - though it was nice
> to have her posting here on a daily basis.
On her website she started a community but discontinued. You know that
she was a co-author of some PS7 book. She is a very humble and helpful
person. I hope that she is still creative as she always was.
> > I still remember (though he is not a friend of mine) is Franklin
> > (tacit.r). I notice that he abandoned PS groups. He was of a great
> > help.
>
> Yes, I agree. Great guy. One of the few who knew about CMYK.
>
You are right.
> > I also remember RossF whom I still don't know his real name. He was a
> > real help machine and followed up the group relentlessly. Many (g)old
> > contributors to PS ng's.
>
> Ross, too. He couldn't resist tangling with Mike C. Very amusing.
>
You know that RossF may have changed nick.
> > Please, Mike help me remember them. Yes, I also remembered that
> > bearded old guy: MikeC. He also vanished! He was a great designer and
> > source of sense of humor.
>
> Re Mike Christie, be careful what you wish for, LOL. Talented, but with
> many carefully pointed sharp edges aimed at (what he calls) silly people.
and his website is www.artistmike.com isn't it?
>
> > For those whom I didn't remember, the forgotten soldiers, please
> > pardon me.
>
> Here are some more that I remember: Hecate, Katwoman, flowerpot, Dorothy
> Combs, and I'm sure there are still more. Each of these people, with the
> probable exception, sadly, of Hecate, are off on other groups, still
> contributing.
Yes of course. Hecate, how is (s)he? I thought at that time Hecate is
a female? Am I right/
>
> It's not the people that are gone, so much, as that Usenet itself is like a
> slowly fading lamp. It still gives good light. Speaking for myself, I'll
> be around, most likely, until it goes out. Then, it's time to rub our
> eyes, as if Usenet were a dream, and waken to the lustrous glow of places
> likewww.dgrin.com,www.retouchpro.com,www.flickr.com, and other web
> sites where you can actually (imagine) talk about photographs instead of
> about words.
Very nice what u described usenet. Yes. Someday this will happen. At
least I periodically visit retouchpro.com, and your website's
community. One other reason why are we not feeling that excitement
maybe because of fact that PS has reached it's peak (I hope it is not
Dante's peak)! (Do you remember that movie of Pierse Brosnan)?
>
> Oh, andwww.curvemeister.com/galleryis spinning up a new set of
Mohamed Al-Dabbagh
Yes, I remember you. Thank you for reminding me.
Mohamed Al-Dabbagh
>
> - Show quoted text -
Yes Bob,
And if you are eager to see some pictures Chris Cox, Marc Pawliger,
Russell Williams, Seetharanan Narayanan, take a look here:
www.liuhongwei.name/060826_top_companies/adobe.htm
Mohamed Al-Dabbagh
Mike Russell
> Yes of course. Hecate, how is (s)he? I thought at that time Hecate is
> a female? Am I right/
I believe that Hecate died. However, no one has confirmed this, and I
would be delighted to find out otherwise. Yes, MikeC lives at
artistmike.com.
Kabuki
purr-fect
Kabuki
Yes Bob,
www.liuhongwei.name/060826_top_companies/adobe.htm
Mohamed Al-Dabbagh
Hecate DIED?? oh I do miss her on here
very informed and one of the only other females
LOL I see that darn KatWoman everyday ;-)
I joined the PS forum but did not enjoy the interface- I prefer to see
newsfeed in my email client
and the fragmentation and sheer amount of the topics was not to my liking
retouch pro too has so many threads- I didn't join but occasionally peek at
it
I am on flickr but don't get much feedback on there
some of the talent is amazing but most often very amatuerish, snapshots and
porns
some sex weirdos on there favorited my pictures -
mostly I joined to have a place to put photos under discussion here
www.flickr.com/KW-Retouch
Johan? wasn't he here a lot? there used to be a regular bunch
most seem to have gone
but so have the trolls (yay)
remember that nut who used to talk to his own posts?
and that Canada guy? forgot his name was making a seed and plant image using
smart objects
name with a K?
Mike Russell
...
> Johan? wasn't he here a lot? there used to be a regular bunch
> most seem to have gone
> but so have the trolls (yay)
Yes, now that we're below the radar, perhaps this will turn into the nice
group that I joined years ago.
> remember that nut who used to talk to his own posts?
Nuff said, if it's who I think you mean. Starts with a J.
> and that Canada guy? forgot his name was making a seed and plant image using
> smart objects name with a K?
Not sure who that is. If their nick started with a K, though, they were
probably someone good.
Re Hecate - I'm not sure that she died, but I made some effort to find any
references to her and for a variety of reasons I decided that she may have
died. OTOH, I like to think that I'm wrong. Perhaps she just got fed up
with the way she was being treated here, and left for greener pastures.
It does make me think what a transitive existence we have on this earth,
and specifically on the Internet, with no final word on what happens to any
of us.
-- ,
No...@noisy.com
remeber a few years ago too and the helpful posts - the key is being able to
get some help on something which is vexing you. I asked a question this week
and got two superb answers so at the moment for my needs yhigs are still
fine. Long may it continue and I will do my best to help other when I can
Mike Russell
> This sounds like a conversation in a old folks home!!
Just be grateful you don't have to see all the drooling. Now plug in that
eyeball and see if you can see old times again, LOL.
--
toby
> Mohamed Al-Dabbagh wrote:
> > Hi Everybody, Especially Mike Russell,
>
> Chris Cox on the Adobe Staff, frequently jumped in to clarify how PS
> handled its image data.
If you need to pick Chris' brains, he remains a regular contributor on
the Adobe Forums (e.g. Photoshop SDK) but of course the Adobe Forums
do not supersede Usenet.
> Bob Williams
Bob Williams
That was a fascinating Tour.
I enjoyed putting a face on so many of the PS guys that I've heard about
for so long. Thanks for the link..................Bob Williams
Bob Williams
There was also a regular contributor, A fellow with a Finnish name,
something like Timo, who was always preaching that PS had it all wrong
in dealing with color space.
He SOUNDED like he knew what he was talking about, but I never could
understand him. Some of the "Old Timers" may remember his name and rant.
Bob Williams
Mike Russell
Timo Autiokari - his website is under construction at the moment at
http://www.aim-dtp.net/ . Actually I found his ideas and procedures very
interesting, particularly because his theories - whether valid or not -
were illustrated always with actual images. This carries a lot of weight
with me. He also took a lot of verbal abuse here, and never responded to
it, going straight ahead with whatever the technical issue at hand was.
dvus
news:uz0e50uj...@mike.curvemeister.com...
Wasn't he the one who took issue with the way Adobe applied gamma correction to
images? His ideas may have been credible, but they quickly got over my head so
that I for one was unable to follow. IIRC, Chris Cox disagreed vehemently with
most of the concepts he raised.
--
dvus
Mike Russell
> Wasn't he the one who took issue with the way Adobe applied gamma correction to
> images? His ideas may have been credible, but they quickly got over my head so
> that I for one was unable to follow. IIRC, Chris Cox disagreed vehemently with
> most of the concepts he raised.
All true. Chris Cox can be very free with his disdain when he feels the
occasion warrants it. Timo was, and is, an interesting if iconoclastic
person, advocating use of non-gamma encoded images, and he ruffled feathers
in the process. He is in good company.
A number of people objected to using gamma encoded images in the first
place. Life would have been better had they succeeded. Their failure to
prevent this is the reason that RGB images change hue when you apply
changes using the RGB master curve, and why color fringes are so easy to
come by when you manipulate an RGB image in Photoshop.
It's an interesting topic that is dealt with very nicely in a paper by one
of the greats, Alvy Ray Smith: http://www.alvyray.com/Memos/7_alpha.pdf
Alvy and his team at ILM invented, designed, and implemented a lot of the
code that Photoshop 1.0 was based on. Things like the alpha channel, the
HSB color space, and the compositing operations used for layers. I highly
recommend taking a tour of his web page www.alvyray.com .
Mike Russell
The gamma paper is located here:
http://www.alvyray.com/Memos/9_gamma.pdf
Bob Williams
> whoops - in my previous post I gave a link to a paper on the alpha channel.
> The gamma paper is located here:
> http://www.alvyray.com/Memos/9_gamma.pdf
Very Interesting Discussion on Gamma.
When you consider how many different operations a light produced signal
has to go thru from camera sensor, sRGB color gamut, white balance
filtering, A/D converter, Bayer pattern algorithms, anti aliasing, jpeg
compression, RGB to CMYK conversions for printing, ink and paper
characteristics etc., it is absolutely AMAZING that we can get prints
that look anything like the original image.
Bob
toby
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:59:51 -0500, dvus wrote:
> > Wasn't he the one who took issue with the way Adobe applied gamma correction to
> > images? His ideas may have been credible, but they quickly got over my head so
> > that I for one was unable to follow. IIRC, Chris Cox disagreed vehemently with
> > most of the concepts he raised.
>
> All true. Chris Cox can be very free with his disdain
Chris has a PhD in "defending entrenched positions".
> when he feels the
> occasion warrants it. Timo was, and is, an interesting if iconoclastic
> person, ...
dvus
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 23:59:51 -0500, dvus wrote:
>
>> Wasn't he the one who took issue with the way Adobe applied gamma correction
>> to
>> images? His ideas may have been credible, but they quickly got over my head
>> so
>> that I for one was unable to follow. IIRC, Chris Cox disagreed vehemently
>> with
>> most of the concepts he raised.
>
> All true. Chris Cox can be very free with his disdain when he feels the
> occasion warrants it. Timo was, and is, an interesting if iconoclastic
> person, advocating use of non-gamma encoded images, and he ruffled feathers
> in the process. He is in good company.
Also a pretty nice guy in the everyday sense. I once asked for some
clarification of one of his posts and he promptly emailed me a detailed
explanation of the whole matter that must have taken a good while to compose.
Not everyone would take the time to bother with questions from a relative
newbie.
> A number of people objected to using gamma encoded images in the first
> place. Life would have been better had they succeeded. Their failure to
> prevent this is the reason that RGB images change hue when you apply
> changes using the RGB master curve, and why color fringes are so easy to
> come by when you manipulate an RGB image in Photoshop.
Yeah, he was quite adament in his stance, but never stooped to ad homonim even
when some others treated him badly. Right or wrong, he undertook to present his
ideas with class, IMHO.
> It's an interesting topic that is dealt with very nicely in a paper by one
> of the greats, Alvy Ray Smith: http://www.alvyray.com/Memos/7_alpha.pdf
>
> Alvy and his team at ILM invented, designed, and implemented a lot of the
> code that Photoshop 1.0 was based on. Things like the alpha channel, the
> HSB color space, and the compositing operations used for layers. I highly
> recommend taking a tour of his web page www.alvyray.com .
Thanks for the pointers.
--
dvus
dvus
> whoops - in my previous post I gave a link to a paper on the alpha channel.
> The gamma paper is located here:
> http://www.alvyray.com/Memos/9_gamma.pdf
Noted..., thanks again.
--
dvus