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Tim W

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Mar 4, 2004, 5:56:38 AM3/4/04
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PSP. Is it a good program for doing watercolour effects. Where might I find
a tutorial or 'tips tricks and hints' to help me tackle it?

Specifically (if you are interested) this is what I want to do:_
I am generating perspective line drawingsof achitectural interiors as vector
or raster images. I want to develop some quick and easy techniques for
adding a bit of colour and life to them. I had in mind a bit of watercour
type wash or graduated fountain fills and maybe some magic marker type
shading and detailing but the effect will of course depend on what
techniques I can master. The line drawing ideally should remain untouched
under the colours.

I have PSP 7, a cheapy tablet, an ancient copy of Corel Painter Classic
which came with it, plenty of experience of computers and vector graphics
but not much of raster graphics.

Ta,

Tim W


Kris Zaklika

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Mar 4, 2004, 12:56:25 PM3/4/04
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Tim W wrote:
>
> PSP. Is it a good program for doing watercolour effects. Where might I find
> a tutorial or 'tips tricks and hints' to help me tackle it?
>
> Specifically (if you are interested) this is what I want to do:_

Actually, it is extremely helpful that you described this
in detail, since it permits a more sensible answer.

> I am generating perspective line drawingsof achitectural interiors as vector
> or raster images. I want to develop some quick and easy techniques for
> adding a bit of colour and life to them. I had in mind a bit of watercour
> type wash or graduated fountain fills and maybe some magic marker type
> shading and detailing but the effect will of course depend on what
> techniques I can master. The line drawing ideally should remain untouched
> under the colours.

Leaving the line drawing untouched is not a problem since
you can do the painting on a different layer. Off the top
of my head I can't think of a tutorial I know of for exactly
the effects you want. Most tutorials start from a photo to
make a painterly effect, as these do:
http://www.state-of-entropy.com/newtutorials/inkillustration.htm
http://www.state-of-entropy.com/newtutorials/morepaint.htm
http://www.state-of-entropy.com/watercolor.html
http://www.state-of-entropy.com/impressionist.html
It should be easy enough to paint using partial transparency
along with a reduced brush density to provide a little
randomness. You can couple this with custom brush tips to
get a wide range of effects. Use of the Push and Smudge retouch
tools will also be helpful. The time-dependence of the Airbrush
is another thing to consider. (I will say that the addition of
brush variance in PSP 8 makes it easier to get a broader range
of artistic effects). However, this link illustrates what it
is possible to achieve by painting from scratch using earlier
versions of PSP than yours: http://www.digitoils.com/. There is
a tutorial for all that here: http://www.digitoils.com/howdo.html
There is an extensive catalog of painterly effect tutorials here:
http://www.psplinks.com/content/Digital_Painting.html
and links to various custom brushes here:
http://www.psplinks.com/content/Brush_Downloads.html
Perhaps that will be enough to get you going.

Fugitive

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Mar 4, 2004, 3:56:56 PM3/4/04
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I can't find my P Classic, but it may be alright for watercolor. P
6/7/8 can do a pretty good job. Actually, they best of and proggies.
Unless you are a genius, PSP won't do it. But, on the other had, PSP 8
can do many great and wonderful things, like the best background
eraser, anywhere. A script, that can paint it's own backgrounds.
(secret)

Gallery http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1
http://gregsplace.50megs.com

JP Kabala

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Mar 4, 2004, 7:18:03 PM3/4/04
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OK, I've stayed out of this til now....but I can't take it any more

Yes, you can do this with PSP 7, I do it all the time, but PSP 8, with its
new brush engine and wet edges is much better and easier to use.

No matter which you use, for that "watercolor over India ink or sketch" look
that is part and parcel of the architectural illustration style, put your
drawing on a lower layer, add a new upper layer in MULTIPLY mode. Drop the
opacity to 80% or less. Choose your color and paint on the new layer.
Multiply paints with translucent "pigments" like markers or high-quality
watercolors. Add lots of these to add depth, brush strokes, etc.

-- Use lots of layers in multiply blend mode to get that wet into wet
look--- 8 does a much better job with less work and you have the option to
merge down which speeds up adding and merging layers, but you can fake it in
7 by adding more low opacity multiply layers, hiding all the others, merging
the visible layers, and then revealing the hidden ones before moving on.

Experiment with all of these settings til you get a look you like Pay
attention to
- Build Up (on the tool options for brushes)
--Opacity
--Hardness
--Density

Virtual Painter is designed for manipulating photos, to look like paintings,
and will not do what you describe.

I gotta finish this project so that I can finally write the digital painting
masterclass stuff . LOL

"Bob" <uctrain...@ultranet.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:56:56 GMT, Fugitive <greg...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> >>Tim W
> >
> >
> >I can't find my P Classic, but it may be alright for watercolor. P
> >6/7/8 can do a pretty good job. Actually, they best of and proggies.
> >Unless you are a genius, PSP won't do it. But, on the other had, PSP 8
> >can do many great and wonderful things, like the best background
> >eraser, anywhere. A script, that can paint it's own backgrounds.
> >(secret)
>
>

> When I bought PSP8.10, it came with an offer to buy Virtual Painter
> for $29. VP appears to do what you want, but I have no experience.


Sceadu

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Mar 4, 2004, 10:37:29 PM3/4/04
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"Tim W" <tim.whitt...@ilvirgin.net> wrote in message
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If you've exhausted the examples posted by the others and you still can't get a realistic,
natural-media effect, I'd go with the latest version of Corel Painter. PSP is great for
compositing and editing but the painting engine just can't compare to Painter.

Sceadu


Uni

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Mar 5, 2004, 7:31:05 AM3/5/04
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Bob wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:56:56 GMT, Fugitive <greg...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>Tim W
>>
>>
>>I can't find my P Classic, but it may be alright for watercolor. P
>>6/7/8 can do a pretty good job. Actually, they best of and proggies.
>>Unless you are a genius, PSP won't do it. But, on the other had, PSP 8
>>can do many great and wonderful things, like the best background
>>eraser, anywhere. A script, that can paint it's own backgrounds.
>>(secret)
>
>
>
> When I bought PSP8.10, it came with an offer to buy Virtual Painter
> for $29. VP appears to do what you want,


If it smudges, that's what Fugi wants.

:-)

Uni

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