Paint Shop Pro 2000 _ Brushes & Painting
D. Lewis
development of vector tools to be worthwhile (for those who use them),
it's puzzling that a program called "Paint Shop Pro" would offer such
limited paint brush options. Frankly, I would gladly trade the "gee
whiz" effects in 6.0 for customizeable brushes. When are we going to
be able to SHAPE even the basic brushes, and be able to ROTATE
them, as not only Photoshop, but also LView Pro support? Why can't we
PAINT with Paint Shop Pro? Why not develope tools similar to those
found in Painter 6 or Deep Paint? Leave the vector stuff for
Trajectory Pro, limit the eFX stuff to the truely useful, and please
give us a Paint Shop Pro program we can actually paint with!
I understand that, depending upon our individual preferences and
artistic passions, we all want JASC to go in different directions with
future Paint Shop Pro development. But in my view, adding vector
tools and eFX before making Paint Shop a real painting program is
"putting the cart before the horse".
Nightingail
become "WebShopPro". It's still my graphics program of choice, but it
sure isn't much of a "PaintShop".
Just my 2 cents,
Nightingail ;-)
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>become "WebShopPro". It's still my graphics program of choice, but it
>sure isn't much of a "PaintShop".
I tend to agree..
I don't even use PsP for web graphics. It's not suited for the type
of interfaces I like to do. I would like to see more emphasis put on
the "paint" side of things as well..
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Andrew Ronayne
"HybridShopPro". Attempting to be many things to many people and leaving
quite a few glaring gaps in basic functionality.
It's not to say that PSP6 is not a great entry-level application, but for it
to qualify as "WebShopPro", I would have expected more Web-specific
features, such as those found in Fireworks et al.
I hope JASC addresses the brush issue (amongst others) in the next version.
Just my (soon to be) GST'ed 2c
Andrew Ronayne
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<SNIP>
"Nightingail" <nigh...@eznet.net> wrote:
> I agree with you. Somewhere along the line, PaintShopPro seemed to
> become "WebShopPro". It's still my graphics program of choice, but it
> sure isn't much of a "PaintShop".
>
> Just my 2 cents,
> Nightingail ;-)
</SNIP>
LKRZ
>to qualify as "WebShopPro", I would have expected more Web-specific
>features, such as those found in Fireworks et al.
I generally agree. As I've said before, I'd like to see a basic PSP package
with other things (vectors, web stuff, etc.) available as plug ins for those
who want them. Would keep entry price down yet allow customization to suit the
user.
One thing I'd like to see on the painting side is brushes like the water and
palette knives in Painter Classic.
I've been playing around with these recently to turn photos into paintings and
have to keep jumping back and forth between Painter and PSP.
Would be nice to be able to use the palette knives on a layer using sample
merged, like a clone brush.
I also like the texture in Painter and would like to be able to apply it as a
layer in PSP.
Peggy Jentoft
that there is anything they could do that would make me want to buy another new
version
I know that there are probably other things that more proficient folks would
like more but that is how I feel
Peggy j
Andrew Ronayne wrote:
> When I first saw an early beta of PSP6, my initial reaction was it's become
> "HybridShopPro". Attempting to be many things to many people and leaving
> quite a few glaring gaps in basic functionality.
>
> I hope JASC addresses the brush issue (amongst others) in the next version.
>
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Ronald Vick
<kitschd...@dingoblue.net.au> Stated this:
>When I first saw an early beta of PSP6, my initial reaction was it's become
>"HybridShopPro". Attempting to be many things to many people and leaving
>quite a few glaring gaps in basic functionality.
>
>It's not to say that PSP6 is not a great entry-level application, but for it
>to qualify as "WebShopPro", I would have expected more Web-specific
>features, such as those found in Fireworks et al.
>
>I hope JASC addresses the brush issue (amongst others) in the next version.
>
>Just my (soon to be) GST'ed 2c
>
>Andrew Ronayne
>Kitsch design
>Australia
Last time we went through this, most users didn't want another Web
editor. We were happy with graphics apps, using web editors for their
functions.
Me, I want more powerful painting tools.
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Barbara J. Bradley
go (or stay) in the direction of "paint, draw, and photo enhancement."
Barb
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Andrew Ronayne
comment where she states that PSP has become "Web Shop Pro". My inference is
PSP doesn't qualify as "Web Shop Pro", as it doesn't include the tools or
functionality to make it a Web-specific application.
I didn't infer including html editing capabilities, rather capabilities like
an image slicer, a decent optimiser and maybe something along the lines of a
simple rollover or image map scripter. I know a lot of folks use the
freeware Shoestring dicer, but it's not a great tool. I'm not a huge fan of
the PSP native image optimiser either - no PNG support.
The market place is becoming more sophisticated. I've spent a lot of time at
the last couple of PC trade shows demonstrating PSP to potential users. Most
are happy with the native tools, but are surprised at what they perceive as
missing basic functionality. At Comdex 99, I took along a list which
included URLs for freeware, shareware & commercial tools to fill this gap.
As I said, my feeling is that PSP in it's current incarnation is a bit of a
compromise. I'm assuming it's an attempt to appeal to a broad entry-level
market. I got to play with PSP6 in the early stages of its private beta, and
was a little disappointed with what I saw. I should mention that I've come
to like PSP6 a lot more now, but I still feel there's a lot of room for
improvement.
Personally, I would like to see JASC concentrate on improving PSP's
painterly functionality and tools. I guess I'm wishing for something along
the lines of a "poor man's Painter", or functionality that would help fill
the gap in the entry-level area of that specific market. Only time (and a
lot of user feedback) will tell.
Regards
Elizabeth
D. Lewis wrote
> Frankly, I would gladly trade the "gee
> whiz" effects in 6.0 for customizeable brushes.
Yes! I would love to see "charcoal," "soft pastel," "marker," "watercolor
round," "conte' crayon," "colored pencil," "filbert," and "flat" in the
paintbrush option.
You can make the paintbrush look like all those things by fiddling around
with the density, shape and opacity of the paintbrush, but it would be great
to have them all preset.
Oh, and to be able to apply a scalable texture to the entire surface...
"portrait weave linen," or "cold-pressed watercolor," and have it stay
there.... too cool! (There might already be a way to do this, and I just
haven't found it, yet.... I wouldn't be surprised.)
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Ronald Vick
Eh? I thought I was agreeing with you in the first place. Oh well,
perhaps it was my windy way of answering. I totally agree with your
statement, and would also like to see more arty type tools.
Joe Cilinceon
uses to PSP 2000. I have even suggested it to them since Metacreations is
dumping all there older stuff.
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Matt Hartman
friendly. Being and engineer playing the role of an artist, I find the
vector tools a little more intuitive to use than some features in other
programs (namely Image Composer). Frankly I like the ease of being able to
create or import vector graphics, then being able to use the other powerful
effects PSP has.
Don't get me wrong. I come from using the old Fauve Matisse software of Win
3.1 fame (software that was so good it was bought up before a second edition
could be released). That software had wonderful brush effects and features
that I haven't found in another economical program to date. I do long for
the simplicity of being able to use an oil or water color brush to create
certain effects rather than having to manipulate a tube or a filter to
create it.
But overall PSP has the best mix of Painter friendly and Web friendly tools
I have seen in a low cost program. JASC has made a good overall business
decision in incorporating both. I'm sure their research has shown that the
majority of new graphic software buys are made for the internet related
fields. And I'm also sure that down the line, they will have the best of
all worlds built in. They seem pretty good that way.
I guess we all just have to be patient, make our suggestions, and let the
programmers do their thing.
Matt Hartman
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jebediah
Matt Hartman wrote:
>
> I appreciate what JASC has done in way of making their program more Web
> friendly. Being and engineer playing the role of an artist, I find the
> vector tools a little more intuitive to use than some features in other
> programs (namely Image Composer). Frankly I like the ease of being able to
> create or import vector graphics, then being able to use the other powerful
> effects PSP has.
>
> Don't get me wrong. I come from using the old Fauve Matisse software of Win
> 3.1 fame (software that was so good it was bought up before a second edition
> could be released). That software had wonderful brush effects and features
> that I haven't found in another economical program to date. I do long for
> the simplicity of being able to use an oil or water color brush to create
> certain effects rather than having to manipulate a tube or a filter to
> create it.
>
Have you tried Fractal Design Painter? I used the trial before and
found the brushes
etc quite interesting. It really had more of a "painting" feel... than
drawing.
Very textured etc. See if there is a trail version you can download
still. Well worth
atleast giving it a run to see what you think. I really liked it.
Phoebe
some pretty nice graphics with Image composer, but when you save to a
gif it usually turned out on the grainy side. .jpegs were much better.
The one thing that IC had that I liked and kinda miss was the tint tool.
Phoebe
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It isn't time limited but you can't save or print and you don't get all the
"goodies". Nonetheless, if you've got a pen & tablet and have some artistic
leanings, it's worth having a play. It's got all the natural media tools-
painting & drawing, almost as if you were using pen (or whatever) & paper,
plus lots of other features. I've got Art Dabbler which is like the baby of
Painter and is seen as a kid's toy but I love it. As I maintain a children's
website (see below), it is really handy to do quick sketches in Dabbler and
then play around with the image in PSP6. I've just won an auction for
Painter Classic off E-Bay which I can't wait to have, but my ideal graphics
software would be a combination of PSP6 & Painter!! Sigh...
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Intuos tablet.
For Photo retouching and trickery, there is Photoshop.
Paint Shop Pro 6 lies there somewhere in between; it has some tricks,
Photoshop does not have.
F.i. painting on different paper textures (and on the same canvas!).
F.i. the paste function. If you grab a picture from btw a website, to paste
it in Photoshop, you must first open a new image, guess the size and
resolution. In PSP you can paste it as a new picture, etc.
For putting text on a curve, in Photoshop you need an expensive Extensis
plugin; in PSP 6 it is included. not as nice as in Painter 6, but it is
there. And for resizing, the intelligent mode of PSP works just fine.
Of course the curves mode in Photoshop is more extended than in PSP. With
this layer stuff in PSP, one has always be aware in which layer one is
working. (you do something and nothing happens; wrong layer)
But PSP 6 is big value for its money, and a must for all PC's.
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