Can't Open PSP Ultimage Images with PSP 9
GSHATTERHAND
using PSP 9.
My backup plan to use PSP 9 if I end up hating Ultimate is
floundering. Does anyone know why PSP Ultimate images won't open with
PSP 9?
Dave Symes
<181b1cd3-f609-4b10...@j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Yes probably because... If you are Saving in PSPImage you haven't done
something.
Specifically:
In Ultimate, get an image on screen (anything will do).
Press the f12 function key.
This brings up the Save As dialogue window.
"In the Save as type" box select "PSPImage"
Now click the [Options] button (bottom right of the window.
Right in the middle of the new "Save Options" window it will show...
"Version"
"Save as:" Click the down bump arrow and select. "PSP 9 compatible file"
Thereafter you will be saving PSPimage files as per PSP 9
Any processes done by Ultimate that are not supported in 9 will be lost.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
GSHATTERHAND
> In article
> <181b1cd3-f609-4b10-8ee5-801ab2bd7...@j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
Thank you again, Dave. I had no idea I had to take that special step
in Ultimate to see a saved image in PSP 9. Is that information
specifically included in the User Guide?
Doesn't this make it almost impossible to move back and forth between
PSP Ultimate and PSP 9, saving images to a common directory? Is there
any easy way to know what processes in Ultimate are not supported in
PSP 9? (I'm still amazed I didn't find more negative reviews of PSP
Ultimate on the web. And isn't there some way to post a question in
the HELP section at Corel's website, as I'm doing here?
Dave Symes
<32ec2213-e453-434e...@r9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
GSHATTERHAND <gshatt...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sep 2, 1:57 am, Dave Symes <d...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article
> > <181b1cd3-f609-4b10-8ee5-801ab2bd7...@j39g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > GSHATTERHAND <gshatterh...@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I cannot open images I've created or loaded into PSP Photo X2
> > > Ultimate using PSP 9. My backup plan to use PSP 9 if I end up hating
> > > Ultimate is floundering. Does anyone know why PSP Ultimate images
> > > won't open with PSP 9?
> >
> > Yes probably because... If you are Saving in PSPImage you haven't done
> > something.
> >
> > Specifically: In Ultimate, get an image on screen (anything will do).
> > Press the f12 function key. This brings up the Save As dialogue window.
> >
> > "In the Save as type" box select "PSPImage"
> >
> > Now click the [Options] button (bottom right of the window. Right in
> > the middle of the new "Save Options" window it will show... "Version"
> > "Save as:" Click the down bump arrow and select. "PSP 9 compatible
> > file"
> >
> > Thereafter you will be saving PSPimage files as per PSP 9
> >
> > Any processes done by Ultimate that are not supported in 9 will be
> > lost.
> >
> > Dave
> Thank you again, Dave. I had no idea I had to take that special step
> in Ultimate to see a saved image in PSP 9. Is that information
> specifically included in the User Guide?
Applies when playing with any forward/backward versions.
I've not found anything in the PSP 9 guide, and the Corel version of the
manuals are weedy little thin things, so my guess is not.
Over the years I've leaned far more important things from the Newsgroups
than from the manuals.
> Doesn't this make it almost impossible to move back and forth between
> PSP Ultimate and PSP 9, saving images to a common directory? Is there
> any easy way to know what processes in Ultimate are not supported in
> PSP 9? (I'm still amazed I didn't find more negative reviews of PSP
> Ultimate on the web. And isn't there some way to post a question in
> the HELP section at Corel's website, as I'm doing here?
We've had the same with moving from any new version back to an older
version, it's nothing new... I've occasionally been caught out myself,
particularly when I was playing with version X and still using 9.01 for my
work stuff.
Somewhere on the Corel site there's a list of the new stuff in X,X1,X2 and
X2U. Sorry I don't have a link.
You can of course post (As I also do) the the Corel PSP newsgroups.
It's a company server "cnews.corel.com" and the two that I sub with ATM
are:
corel.PaintShopPro9
corel.PaintShopProPhotoX2
Note the text case mixture.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
GSHATTERHAND
Thanks for the valuable insights, Dave. Your help is much
appreciated. I need something called a dedicated newsgroup reader to
get to those newsgroups, don't I?
I did what you suggested and applied the Browse More Folders command
to my entire computer. So far it does appear I can now see all my
images in the Organizer Tool after that move - at least in my biggest
folder where I could not see them before. However . . .
I almost immediately noticed something had changed in my HOLD folder
where I keep images I intend to email to others. I had an image called
Book Cover saved there in TIF format. Now it no longer shows up there
in either the Organizer or by using FILE - OPEN. Now Book Cover shows
up as a PSP image, not TIF. But if I try and save another copy of Book
Cover as a TIF image, it tells me the image already exists, asking if
I want to replace it.
I finally said yes, just replace it, hoping the TIF image will finally
show up. No! Another PSP image shows up!
I finally decided to make a completely new TIF image, under another
name, assuming that TIF image will have to visible. Nope! Another PSP
image shows up with the new name! In fact, even if I limit the
Organizer to show only TIF images, the only images that show up are
PSP images! How is that even possible! Where the heck is one supposed
to turn with such problems!
Old Git
No, it doesn't make it impossible. If you wish a pic that you are
working on in X2 to be usable in PSP9, just do as Dave says and select
that format in the Save As Options, as you would in most other
applications (MS Office is a prime example). You can then open that
pic in any version from PSP9 to X2. Any pic saved from PSP9 will open
in X2, just right click it and OpenWith then select X2 or whatever or
Open it from within X2. This concept is no different to that of any
other software. In fact, many applications don't give you the option
to save in so many previous formats, after a few changes.PSP X2
(Ultimate is little different) allows you to save back to PSP5 format
and you can load up any graphics from all of those editions. If you
think about it, when say, PSP9 was developed, they had no idea what
functions would be included when X2 was developed or else they would
have included those functions at the time. So you couldn't really
expect to PSP9 to produce an image with all of the functions now
available in X2.
Have you done a search for this info in the knowledge base on the
Corel website? I believe that when you do that, if your question is
not answered to your satisfaction, it will then offer an opportunity
to mail them with your query.
GSHATTERHAND
wrote:
That's a clear, concise summary, Old Git. Obviously I hadn't
considered some matters carefully. I understand things better. Thank
you.
I'm used to PSP 9 and WORD. Beyond that I'm often lost.( Although I
have no reservations in saying this new Organizer Palette is a big
step backward from the simple Browser in PSP 9.)
I confess I'm having some trouble navigating the Corel website and
getting to any practical help. I did do a search there for my
Organizer Palette issues but found nothing relevant. I will return to
it and explore further.
Trev
Now How do you know there psp images? are you going by the icon or by the file extension.
When you view as icons the icon shown is the application associated with opening that image.
You may not have show file extensions turned on as windows by default hides them
If It has the name Book cover.PspImage then it is a pasp image But if the file name is only Book cover then the extension is Hidden. To turn it on (and I recommend you do as it stops you opening what you think may be a save jpeg but turns out to be XX jpeg. exe with the exe hidden) In a Explorer window say the one your looking at those images in. Click the Tools On the menu at the top, Now pick the folder options from the drop down list. Then click the view tab. You might have to scroll down a little as it will be either just out of view or the bottom item.
Look For a check box followed By Hide Extensions For Known File types. Put a check in that Box and Ok your way back. You should see the extn now if not close the window and open it again
Trev
The changes from a simple browser to an organizer are to enable you to Add Keywords to the images database entry Then in years to come By entering say Church in the search field you will get a Smart folder showing thumbs of all the images you add Church to as a Keyword If you had added more keywords like the name of the State, county, or city ect.You could then further define your search of that smart collection until you get down to the last few Thumbs and see the one you wanted. Yes its a lot of work going though all your images. Especially If you did not start doing that at the beginning.
Dave Symes
<0a274e84-3f9c-4de9...@37g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
[Snip everything I wrote]
> Thanks for the valuable insights, Dave. Your help is much
> appreciated. I need something called a dedicated newsgroup reader to
> get to those newsgroups, don't I?
It does make life easier if you have a dedicated news client, but on one
of my machines I just use Thunderbird for both mail and news.
> I did what you suggested and applied the Browse More Folders command
> to my entire computer. So far it does appear I can now see all my
> images in the Organizer Tool after that move - at least in my biggest
> folder where I could not see them before. However . . .
> I almost immediately noticed something had changed in my HOLD folder
> where I keep images I intend to email to others. I had an image called
> Book Cover saved there in TIF format. Now it no longer shows up there
> in either the Organizer or by using FILE - OPEN. Now Book Cover shows
> up as a PSP image, not TIF. But if I try and save another copy of Book
> Cover as a TIF image, it tells me the image already exists, asking if
> I want to replace it.
Try Saving it as your Tiff, but just add a single character suffix.
If the file you have is "Fredpicc.Tif" then after you've opened it, by
whatever means, Save As "Fredpicc2.Tif" then see what happens.
IIRC. The Tiff file format has a number of Save types, and maybe you've
saved it in X2U in a Tiff form that PSP 9 doesn't like, or vice versa.
You could also go in to the Save As dialogue (f12) and Save as a different
file type and see what happens.
My personal preference is PNGs.
> I finally said yes, just replace it, hoping the TIF image will finally
> show up. No! Another PSP image shows up!
You really do need to open that file in PSP and Save it as another file
type.
Saving and viewing Tif works okay on this X2U
> I finally decided to make a completely new TIF image, under another
> name, assuming that TIF image will have to visible. Nope! Another PSP
> image shows up with the new name! In fact, even if I limit the
> Organizer to show only TIF images, the only images that show up are
> PSP images! How is that even possible! Where the heck is one supposed
> to turn with such problems!
I assume you are going in to the Save As dialogue and changing the
filetype?
There are a number of more knowledgeable PSP folks than me around, but if
you think it might help, **you can contact me privately.**
The address I use here is contactable.
If the file in question is not personal, I'd be interested in having a
look and play with it.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
GSHATTERHAND
Dave,
First, thanks for not treating me like I must be crazy or completely
incompetent at this point. You are a kind soul to take such an
interest.
I'm the archivist for our local historical society. I have thousands
of old photos which I've managed and worked with using PSP 9 for about
4 years. I have not had any problem doing so. But I have to conclude
PSP Ultimate is riddled with problems, even if I can't often
adequately convey what we are seeing on the monitor here.
I was going by the file extension when I identified an image as tif or
psp. And I was using only PSP Ultimate to view the files. Not PSP 9 in
this particular case. I didn't know there were different tif formats
but PSP Ultimate only seems to offer one SAVE AS tif format, which
reads simply TIF, so I don't see how I could have saved it in any
other variable. Unless there's even more I don't understand.
And if I ever have to add a single character suffix to an image to
make it show up correctly, then using PSP Ultimate at all seems kind
of pointless.
I had my computer shop tech in here this afternoon, he has basic
familiarity with PSP 9, and has experimented with PSP Ultimate, and he
witnessed and confirmed what was happening. Of course, that is not
something you can verify but at least I'm somewhat confident I'm not
losing it. And here, concisely, is what we both saw -
OPEN windows, set to show only TIF, yet showing only PSP files.
A single image saved in TIF, being shown as PSP in the Organizer, and
as TIF in the FILE - OPEN window. And vice versa.
My computer shop tech knows I am posting to this newsgroup trying to
get help. His comment was - "How do you have the patience to try and
write out all we are seeing in a was someone else would even
understand it, let alone be able to answer! There has simply got to be
glitches in this program. How else could it behave as we are seeing."
For instance, I just passed the cursor over one of my old photos while
in the FILE - OPEN window. I get a message the file type is MICROSOFT
POCKET STREETS PUSHPINS. Now, I have never saved any image in that
format, if that even is a format!
So my sending you a single image I'm having trouble with would not
help much. But I'm very grateful. I think the best I can hope for is
to manage to post single questions that are coherent enough that a
patient person not experiencing the problem might be able to answer on
a single issue.
Trev
Back at around PSP 7/8 Microsoft Created a mapping program called MICROSOFT
POCKET STREETS PUSHPINS. And being big bully's used the Extension PSP. So to avoid confusion Jasc changed to PspImage. That might explain something. Maybe Windows is getting its file associations Mixed up. I don't know If that is the case just a possibility.
I cant explain the problems your having But I use X2 all the time I do have X and PSP 9 installed too and Used to have 8 and 7 before rebuilding this computer with all new bar case and Floppy as Everything had changed even the PSU
Dave Symes
<e54eb187-9a7c-4945...@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
GSHATTERHAND <gshatt...@aol.com> wrote:
>
[Snip]
> Dave,
> First, thanks for not treating me like I must be crazy or completely
> incompetent at this point. You are a kind soul to take such an
> interest.
In addition to a number of other operating systems I'm using ATM... I'm
just starting to learn how to handle a Linux/Ubuntu computer so I
understand, believe me...
> I'm the archivist for our local historical society. I have thousands
> of old photos which I've managed and worked with using PSP 9 for about
> 4 years. I have not had any problem doing so. But I have to conclude
> PSP Ultimate is riddled with problems, even if I can't often
> adequately convey what we are seeing on the monitor here.
I appreciate the difficulty of describing thing outside ones normal
expectations, which is why... (**)
> I was going by the file extension when I identified an image as tif or
> psp. And I was using only PSP Ultimate to view the files. Not PSP 9 in
> this particular case. I didn't know there were different tif formats
> but PSP Ultimate only seems to offer one SAVE AS tif format, which
> reads simply TIF, so I don't see how I could have saved it in any
> other variable. Unless there's even more I don't understand.
If you again, with an image open do f12 (Save As dialogue)
Select Tif in the "Save as type" pulldown menu.
Then open [Options] (bottom right of the dialogue) the Save option window
will open.
In mine I have 5 Compression options (LZW ON), 2 Colour channels (RGB
ON), and 1 ICC Colour profile (Ticked).
> And if I ever have to add a single character suffix to an image to
> make it show up correctly, then using PSP Ultimate at all seems kind
> of pointless.
(**)
...I've suggested saving a file with the same name but just a single
suffix different.
In order to eliminate some possibilites, and test some others, it's
necessary to experiment, experiment, experiment.
I'm not saying do that with all your files, just with one to see what
happens.
> I had my computer shop tech in here this afternoon, he has basic
> familiarity with PSP 9, and has experimented with PSP Ultimate, and he
> witnessed and confirmed what was happening. Of course, that is not
> something you can verify but at least I'm somewhat confident I'm not
> losing it. And here, concisely, is what we both saw -
> OPEN windows, set to show only TIF, yet showing only PSP files.
> A single image saved in TIF, being shown as PSP in the Organizer, and
> as TIF in the FILE - OPEN window. And vice versa.
> My computer shop tech knows I am posting to this newsgroup trying to
> get help. His comment was - "How do you have the patience to try and
> write out all we are seeing in a was someone else would even
> understand it, let alone be able to answer! There has simply got to be
> glitches in this program. How else could it behave as we are seeing."
I'm beginning to wonder if maybe the installation of Ultimate on your
machine didn't work correctly.
I have Ultimate installed twice here, once on my Desktop computer and
again on my Laptop, and within the limitation of Ultimate, both work
correctly and okay.
> For instance, I just passed the cursor over one of my old photos while
> in the FILE - OPEN window. I get a message the file type is MICROSOFT
> POCKET STREETS PUSHPINS. Now, I have never saved any image in that
> format, if that even is a format!
See Trev's answer to that one.
> So my sending you a single image I'm having trouble with would not
> help much. But I'm very grateful. I think the best I can hope for is
> to manage to post single questions that are coherent enough that a
> patient person not experiencing the problem might be able to answer on
> a single issue.
Okay, the reason I would like an image from you is... I want to look at
the code inside the graphic you see, each file type has a distinct, what
we called header, and by looking at that it might help to see what's
happening... It's just one of the things you can do if you know what to
look for if you are having filetype problems.
Binaries are not opermitted here so...
Assuming the address you use here is unmunged (straight) I'll send you a
small Tif created in X2U about five minutes after sending this at 6:40 AM
UK time.
Let me know what happens.
Dave.
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Dave Triffid
GSHATTERHAND
> In article
> <e54eb187-9a7c-4945-96cf-0e6d37eb6...@w36g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
For anyone following this string - Dave sent me the small tif image
and I was able to open it. Also, it's clear to me now that when
someone offering help asks for an image or requests I try a certain
process, I should do so and not make assumptions it isn't necessary
based on my own lesser understanding. Had I but the gift of humility I
would be easier to help, wouldn't I? Lesson learned.
Dave Symes
happened.
I've been creating various Tif images out of a single small graphic, two
from PSP X2U (Various Save As settings), and then from PSP 9.01.
Thereafter moving the files to another computer (None MS OS).
The PSP 9 Tif files load and display without any problem, but the PSP X2U
files both moan and have to be forced to load.
So there is definately something amiss with the X2U Tif saving.
The error reported is: "Incorrect count for field "DateTime" (21,
expecting 20); tag ignored"
Okay that's quite trivial.
PSP9 writes a date tag to the header thus:
Paint Shop Pro 9.0?2008:06:27 17:27:36
While PSP 10.02 writes in the header...
Paint Shop Pro 10.02?Paint Shop Pro 10.02
The date tag is missing, but methinks a herring. ;-)
Dave
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Dave Triffid
GSHATTERHAND
Thanks for sharing this, Dave.