Multiple colors on a brush...
SMAN
his pallet...is there a way to do this with PSP5? So far I have only been
able to use one which is a very serious limitation for painters.
Thanks
Ken S.
Kris Zaklika
You are using an ancient version of PSP, which won't paint
with multiple colors. Get PSP 8.1 since it does what you want.
Look into brush variance.
> Thanks
>
> Ken S.
Angela M. Cable
You still can't realistically double load a brush even in 8. I don't
think I've seen the feature in any other app though either. What the
poster could do is paint two separate lines of different colors and then
use the Smudge tool to blend them or make a selection around both lines
and Gaussian blur them together.
--
Angela M. Cable
PSP8 Private Beta Tester
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Fugitive
The only proggie that can do that is Painter. PSP8 cannot have two
colors, side by side, and paint with both. I've been begging for this
for a while, but it must be to difficult to accomplish.
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TheBiggestDave
It is not difficult to do... Deluxe Paint for the Amiga, back in the 80's
had the ability to use more than one color in a brush and to paint with it.
in article fghlsvguc2hvvdpo8...@4ax.com, Fugitive at
greg...@earthlink.net wrote on 11/30/03 8:42 PM:
Gary Barton
that is all you want to do, it's been in PSP for years. It's called tubes.
Create a tube with the colors you want, set the step to 1 and paint away.
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Trev
"Gary Barton" <g...@xxcutouttosendxxearthling.net> wrote in message
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> There's a big difference between that and simulating real paint.
However, if
> that is all you want to do, it's been in PSP for years. It's called
tubes.
> Create a tube with the colors you want, set the step to 1 and paint
away.
Even sky blue pink with Yellow dots!
TheBiggestDave
Oh, now you want it to look real...
Well you should have gotten "Painter" then.
in article BEHyb.274263$ao4.942625@attbi_s51, Gary Barton at
g...@xxcutouttosendxxearthling.net wrote on 12/1/03 5:48 AM:
Fugitive
<g...@xxcutouttosendxxearthling.net> wrote:
>There's a big difference between that and simulating real paint. However, if
>that is all you want to do, it's been in PSP for years. It's called tubes.
>Create a tube with the colors you want, set the step to 1 and paint away.
I don't know if you paint Gary, but the tube thing is totally
impractical, and doesn't really work.
Back when I used to complain about psp's brushes (since 7 came out)
some here used to tell me I just wasn't using them right, or they were
just fine the way they were,BS, Jasc knew they weren't right, and
needed changing. I'm not unhappy with 8, I think they performed
miracles with it, but there's still a teensy little bit more that
could be done. If it has Paint in the name, I believe it should, with
the best of them.
Ember
<ca...@sweetwaterhsa.com> wrote:
>Kris Zaklika wrote:
>>
>> SMAN wrote:
>> >
>> > I want to load more than one color on a brush, just like a painter does with
>> > his pallet...is there a way to do this with PSP5? So far I have only been
>> > able to use one which is a very serious limitation for painters.
>>
>> You are using an ancient version of PSP, which won't paint
>> with multiple colors. Get PSP 8.1 since it does what you want.
>> Look into brush variance.
>
>You still can't realistically double load a brush even in 8. I don't
>think I've seen the feature in any other app though either. What the
>poster could do is paint two separate lines of different colors and then
>use the Smudge tool to blend them or make a selection around both lines
>and Gaussian blur them together.
I won't dispute your statement Angela because I'm not a painter. I
just use the basic "beginners" brush. But, If I select from presets
the "Paint a Sky" brush it accepts two colours -- whichever two are in
the foreground and background palettes. And it does paint those two
colours on, so that *seems* to qualify as two-colour painting. The
"Paint a Background" preset works the same. I haven't tried any other
of the fancy brushes.
Uni
> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 01:43:50 GMT, "SMAN" <ksa...@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I want to load more than one color on a brush, just like a painter does with
>>his pallet...is there a way to do this with PSP5? So far I have only been
>>able to use one which is a very serious limitation for painters.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Ken S.
>>
>
>
>
> The only proggie that can do that is Painter. PSP8 cannot have two
> colors, side by side, and paint with both.
Then it should be renamed Shop Pro.
:-)
Uni
Angela M. Cable
> I won't dispute your statement Angela because I'm not a painter. I
> just use the basic "beginners" brush. But, If I select from presets
> the "Paint a Sky" brush it accepts two colours -- whichever two are in
> the foreground and background palettes. And it does paint those two
> colours on, so that *seems* to qualify as two-colour painting. The
> "Paint a Background" preset works the same. I haven't tried any other
> of the fancy brushes.
It's not a double loaded brush. Double loading means that one side of
the brush has one color and the other has another. When you paint with
it, you get something that resembles a gradient between the two colors
in a single stroke. Double loading is used in oil, acrylic and
watercolor however, it's also a method used, almost to the exclusion of
all else, in tole painting. Here are two examples of fairly decent
representations of tole painting done with PSP:
http://tutorialsbylori.com/tutorial26.html
http://jubilate.freehomepage.com/Tutorials/tolerose.html
You can see that neither of them relies on the paint brush to achieve
the effect. I think to get an effect that approximates double loading,
you'd need to be able to paint with a gradient that rotates along with
the rotation of a nib.
Ember
<ca...@sweetwaterhsa.com> wrote:
>Ember wrote:
>
>> I won't dispute your statement Angela because I'm not a painter. I
>> just use the basic "beginners" brush. But, If I select from presets
>> the "Paint a Sky" brush it accepts two colours -- whichever two are in
>> the foreground and background palettes. And it does paint those two
>> colours on, so that *seems* to qualify as two-colour painting. The
>> "Paint a Background" preset works the same. I haven't tried any other
>> of the fancy brushes.
>
>It's not a double loaded brush. Double loading means that one side of
>the brush has one color and the other has another. When you paint with
>it, you get something that resembles a gradient between the two colors
>in a single stroke. Double loading is used in oil, acrylic and
>watercolor however, it's also a method used, almost to the exclusion of
>all else, in tole painting. Here are two examples of fairly decent
>representations of tole painting done with PSP:
>http://tutorialsbylori.com/tutorial26.html
>http://jubilate.freehomepage.com/Tutorials/tolerose.html
>
>You can see that neither of them relies on the paint brush to achieve
>the effect. I think to get an effect that approximates double loading,
>you'd need to be able to paint with a gradient that rotates along with
>the rotation of a nib.
Well that's an eye opener. Double-loading and tole painting is a
world out there not familiar to me. (sounds vaquely drug related.)
The paintings on your two references and others I searched for, don't
look distinctive to me though. Nice, but just traditional flowers and
the like.
The word "tole" is an oddity. I checked five hard-cover dictionaries
and the word "tole" is not in any of them. And no site I went to
defined tole painting.
I phoned an artsy aquaintence who took a course in something like that
but she couldn't define it either. She learned how to paint
"old-fashioned flowers" on mail boxes. She said to look up "Donna
Dewberry" on the net which I did. She sells info on "one-stroke
painting" which may or may not be the same thing as tole painting.
Donna offers no definition either.
Anyway it's not something I think I will pursue. Thank you Angela.
Ember
Fugitive
>
>The word "tole" is an oddity. I checked five hard-cover dictionaries
>and the word "tole" is not in any of them. And no site I went to
>defined tole painting.
>
>I phoned an artsy aquaintence who took a course in something like that
>but she couldn't define it either. She learned how to paint
>"old-fashioned flowers" on mail boxes. She said to look up "Donna
>Dewberry" on the net which I did. She sells info on "one-stroke
>painting" which may or may not be the same thing as tole painting.
>Donna offers no definition either.
>
>Anyway it's not something I think I will pursue. Thank you Angela.
>
>Ember
Tole/Decorative/Porcelain/China Painting
The great Pierre Auguste Renoir started out painting china. Tole
paintings on tin as well as wood have become highly collectible. Join
in the fun, share new and old techniques and projects.
Ember
wrote:
>
>>
>>The word "tole" is an oddity. I checked five hard-cover dictionaries
>>and the word "tole" is not in any of them. And no site I went to
>>defined tole painting.
>>
>>I phoned an artsy aquaintence who took a course in something like that
>>but she couldn't define it either. She learned how to paint
>>"old-fashioned flowers" on mail boxes. She said to look up "Donna
>>Dewberry" on the net which I did. She sells info on "one-stroke
>>painting" which may or may not be the same thing as tole painting.
>>Donna offers no definition either.
>>
>>Anyway it's not something I think I will pursue. Thank you Angela.
>>
>>Ember
>
>
>Tole/Decorative/Porcelain/China Painting
>The great Pierre Auguste Renoir started out painting china. Tole
>paintings on tin as well as wood have become highly collectible. Join
>in the fun, share new and old techniques and projects.
Please exactly define the word "tole." It can't be a very significant
word if no dictionary lists it. And no website I can find attempts
to say what tole painting is. I'm beginning to think nobody actually
knows what it means.
Ember
TheBiggestDave
Angela M. Cable
> Please exactly define the word "tole." It can't be a very significant
> word if no dictionary lists it.
It's listed at Merriam-Webster's online database:
Main Entry: tole
Pronunciation: 'tOl
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French tôle, from Middle French dialect taule, from Latin
tabula board, tablet
Date: 1927
: sheet metal and especially tinplate for use in domestic and ornamental
wares in which it is usually japanned or painted and often elaborately
decorated; also : objects made of tole
Tole painting is still often done on tin. You now also see it done on
other substrates, wood, ceramic, paper, etc.
> And no website I can find attempts
> to say what tole painting is. I'm beginning to think nobody actually
> knows what it means.
Try doing a search of books at Amazon instead. Using the search term
"tole painting" brings up 1209 results. Or, here's a site:
http://www.tolepainting.net/
Or, you could probably just stop by any large craft store and find books
of patterns as well as supplies. It seems to me that this particular
folk art was most recently popular in the 80's.
Or, go to your local library. I'd be very surprised if they didn't have
at least a couple of books on the topic.
Uni
> On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:18:04 GMT, Fugitive <greg...@earthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>The word "tole" is an oddity. I checked five hard-cover dictionaries
>>>and the word "tole" is not in any of them. And no site I went to
>>>defined tole painting.
>>>
>>>I phoned an artsy aquaintence who took a course in something like that
>>>but she couldn't define it either. She learned how to paint
>>>"old-fashioned flowers" on mail boxes. She said to look up "Donna
>>>Dewberry" on the net which I did. She sells info on "one-stroke
>>>painting" which may or may not be the same thing as tole painting.
>>>Donna offers no definition either.
>>>
>>>Anyway it's not something I think I will pursue. Thank you Angela.
>>>
>>>Ember
>>
>>
>>Tole/Decorative/Porcelain/China Painting
>>The great Pierre Auguste Renoir started out painting china. Tole
>>paintings on tin as well as wood have become highly collectible. Join
>>in the fun, share new and old techniques and projects.
>
>
> Please exactly define the word "tole."
tole (t÷l) n.enameled or lacquered metalware, usually with gilt
decoration, often used, esp. in the 18th century, for trays, lampshades,
etc. Also, tôle.
Fugitive
I've posted a small demo on abc-g to illustrate this
question.
Ember
<ca...@sweetwaterhsa.com> wrote:
>
>It's listed at Merriam-Webster's online database:
>
>Main Entry: tole
>Pronunciation: 'tOl
>Function: noun
>Usage: often attributive
>Etymology: French tôle, from Middle French dialect taule, from Latin
>tabula board, tablet
>Date: 1927
>: sheet metal and especially tinplate for use in domestic and ornamental
>wares in which it is usually japanned or painted and often elaborately
>decorated; also : objects made of tole
>
>Tole painting is still often done on tin. You now also see it done on
>other substrates, wood, ceramic, paper, etc.
I have several hard cover dictionaries that I rely on. None had tole
and I found that quite frustrating. I have to say that is the very
first time in my life I have been unable to find a basic definition
from a variety of printed dictionaries.
After your reply I checked online dictionaries which I've never looked
at before, and found at least three entries. The concise definition
that eluded me was "lacquered or enamelled metalware." That it is
also apparently applied elsewhere is not important to me -- it was
just the root meaning I wanted.
Thanks Angela.
Ember
Brendan R. Wehrung
From my Merriam Webster's disc:
Main Entry:tole
Pronunciation:*t*l
Function:noun Usage:often attributive
Etymology:French t*le, from Middle French dialect taule, from Latin tabula
board, tablet
Date:1927
: sheet metal and especially tinplate for use in domestic and ornamental
wares in which it is usually japanned or painted and often elaborately
decorated; also : objects made of tole
Somebody's heard of it!
Brendan
--
Gary Barton
"Fugitive" <greg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:48:17 GMT, "Gary Barton"
> <g...@xxcutouttosendxxearthling.net> wrote:
>
> >There's a big difference between that and simulating real paint. However,
if
> >that is all you want to do, it's been in PSP for years. It's called
tubes.
> >Create a tube with the colors you want, set the step to 1 and paint away.
>
> I don't know if you paint Gary, but the tube thing is totally
> impractical, and doesn't really work.
It can be made to work but I agree that it is impractical, at least in PSP
7. In PSP 8, however, you could for example, select a region on your
virtual palette (with whatever colors you had blended together), and run a
script to have the selection turned into a tube which you could then paint
with. You'd have to go back and use smudge to blend the stroke but you
could get most of the way there I think. Still a hassle compared to Painter
but you could speed up the process a bit with a bound script or two.
-Gary
Fugitive
<g...@xxcutouttosendxxearthling.net> wrote:
>
>"Fugitive" <greg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:nc6nsvsc72hmfmkdr...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 13:48:17 GMT, "Gary Barton"
>> <g...@xxcutouttosendxxearthling.net> wrote:
>>
>> >There's a big difference between that and simulating real paint. However,
>if
>> >that is all you want to do, it's been in PSP for years. It's called
>tubes.
>> >Create a tube with the colors you want, set the step to 1 and paint away.
>>
>> I don't know if you paint Gary, but the tube thing is totally
>> impractical, and doesn't really work.
>
>It can be made to work but I agree that it is impractical, at least in PSP
>7. In PSP 8, however, you could for example, select a region on your
>virtual palette (with whatever colors you had blended together), and run a
>script to have the selection turned into a tube which you could then paint
>with. You'd have to go back and use smudge to blend the stroke but you
>could get most of the way there I think. Still a hassle compared to Painter
>but you could speed up the process a bit with a bound script or two.
>
>-Gary
Ok, you peaked my interest. How, can you supply the script? I'm
desperate. Smudging is kinda bad, because it removes the highlights,
if your lucky enough to get any.
I did some more experiments today, and with the tube, there is no
variations, no change in width/stroke, it stays the same thru the
whole stroke, but if it could lay down two colors, side/side, it might
work. I would drive up to MN and wash everyones cars for the winter
mud, for this feature in PSP 8.2 painter edition.
Gary Barton
> Ok, you peaked my interest. How, can you supply the script? I'm
> desperate. Smudging is kinda bad, because it removes the highlights,
> if your lucky enough to get any.
> I did some more experiments today, and with the tube, there is no
> variations, no change in width/stroke, it stays the same thru the
> whole stroke, but if it could lay down two colors, side/side, it might
> work.
Variations are possible. It is just a matter of defining the tube
appropriately. Take a look at the Sunshine tube for one possibility. It is
also possible to vary the width, size, position, angle, etc. I'll see what
I can do.
Question: If you were to draw a clockwise circle with a two color brush,
would you want the brush orientation to stay the same through out the stroke
or change with the direction of the stroke? For example, suppose the brush
top is red and bottom is blue. In the first case, the circle would be
red/blue on the top and bottom of the circle, mostly red on the right and
mostly blue on the left. In the second case, the circle would be mostly red
on the outside and blue on the inside.
-Gary
Fugitive
<g...@xxcutouttosendxxearthling.net> wrote:
The orientation stays the same, but changes as it moves around the
circle. That's so if you start a long strand of hair at the top, the
lighter color remains where you started. Ummmmmm, how would that work
if you made a curl? The ability for the colors to be streaked by step
or lack of density would be helpful. The tubes, so far, make a quite
solid line, and in my experiments, were jagged on the edges.
Kris Zaklika
Would you like to reconsider that statement? I don't know of
anything that can stay the same (i.e. remain unchanged) and
change at the same time. Perhaps you could just tell him which
circle you want. I suspect the second one. In other words,
the color gradient is at right angles to the brush movement
direction at all times and a specific end of the gradient
is always to the left of the movement direction.
Fugitive
wrote:
Don't you think, that if my thought process worked like yours
I would. It doesn't, and I can't do it the same. Mine is bruised.
Thank you for your support.
Kris Zaklika
Gary wants to help you. All you need to do is answer his
question. Pick one of the two choices he gave you. By not
doing so you are hurting yourself because it reduces the
chance that someone will give you a gift of exactly what
you want. Considering a freebie is in the cards, some
effort from you would be helpful. I tried to give you
a second description in case you weren't following Gary's.
Did I guess right that you want his choice number two?
It's enough to just answer yes or no. In the end none of
this matters to me at all. I'm only trying to elicit an
answer that Gary can go with so everyone can be happy.
Fugitive
>Gary wants to help you. All you need to do is answer his
>question. Pick one of the two choices he gave you. By not
>doing so you are hurting yourself because it reduces the
>chance that someone will give you a gift of exactly what
>you want. Considering a freebie is in the cards, some
>effort from you would be helpful. I tried to give you
>a second description in case you weren't following Gary's.
>Did I guess right that you want his choice number two?
>It's enough to just answer yes or no. In the end none of
>this matters to me at all. I'm only trying to elicit an
>answer that Gary can go with so everyone can be happy.
This one. In the first case, the circle would be
red/blue on the top and bottom of the circle, mostly red on the right
and mostly blue on the left.
Gallery http://www.picturetrail.com/fugitive1