Stitching?
Uni
kajira hill wrote:
>
> I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together to
> make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a panorama
> mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions about
> choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new document.
> Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way? Thanks a BUNCH!
Yes, PSP can do it, in a round about way. But there are other
applications which are made exclusively to do what you're looking to do.
You can find some tips and applications on Max Lyons' web page:
http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/index.html
Uni
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You could post the images so we could see them. Do they have the
same background? You can post them in alt.binaries.comp-graphics, and
then tell us the name.
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Beth Winter
>
> I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together to
> make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a panorama
> mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions about
> choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new document.
> Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way? Thanks a BUNCH!
PSP 7 can only do it in a manual way. But Jasc AfterShot has a great
one-click panoraa tool ^_^
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Uni
Beth Winter wrote:
>
> kajira hill wrote:
> >
> > I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together to
> > make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a panorama
> > mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions about
> > choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new document.
> > Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way? Thanks a BUNCH!
>
> PSP 7 can only do it in a manual way. But Jasc AfterShot has a great
> one-click panoraa tool ^_^
You mean you have to purchase another application to make it easy to
create a panoramic image, from multiple images?
I didn't have a chance to try Aftershot's panoramic capability, it's
deleted from my HDD. But I'm impressed with Photoshop Elements panoramic
capability! :)
Uni
Ronald Vick
wrote:
>I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together to
>make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a panorama
>mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions about
>choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new document.
>Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way? Thanks a BUNCH!
Camera lens put a distortion into the image, making matching difficult
when you don't have an accurate lens correction. I find that stand
alone programs can do the stitching functions better than any
stitcher I've seen included in the graphics programs that include
them.
Here's the address for an excellent stitcher which has individual
controls as well as a wizard. It's shareware.
http://www.panoramafactory.com/
Ron
Ronald Vick
>
>
>Beth Winter wrote:
>>
>> kajira hill wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together to
>> > make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a panorama
>> > mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions about
>> > choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new document.
>> > Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way? Thanks a BUNCH!
>>
>> PSP 7 can only do it in a manual way. But Jasc AfterShot has a great
>> one-click panoraa tool ^_^
>
>You mean you have to purchase another application to make it easy to
>create a panoramic image, from multiple images?
>
>I didn't have a chance to try Aftershot's panoramic capability, it's
>deleted from my HDD. But I'm impressed with Photoshop Elements panoramic
>capability! :)
>
Yes, that's one of the reasons it takes so bloody long for Adobe's
Elementary program to load. It's filled with things that aren't used
very often, and lacks many of the basic graphics editing functions.
I'm totally under impressed by that program.
Haven't learned yet, Uni? This isn't your private area to push other
programs and spread mis-information.
Ron
Sally Beacham
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>
>
> Beth Winter wrote:
> >
> > kajira hill wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together to
> > > make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a panorama
> > > mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions about
> > > choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new document.
> > > Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way? Thanks a BUNCH!
> >
> > PSP 7 can only do it in a manual way. But Jasc AfterShot has a great
> > one-click panoraa tool ^_^
>
> You mean you have to purchase another application to make it easy to
> create a panoramic image, from multiple images?
Here we go again....
I also have to purchase a separate application to do my taxes, write a
newsletter and FTP my websites. Amazingly enough, when my computer boots
up once ever 6 weeks or so, it doesn't say PAINT SHOP PRO does windows,
either.
>
> I didn't have a chance to try Aftershot's panoramic capability, it's
> deleted from my HDD. But I'm impressed with Photoshop Elements panoramic
> capability! :)
Really? Would you care to show off all the testing you did to arrive to
this conclusion? Would you mind showing us all the dozens of panoramas you
stitched together so effortlessly with Elements, or anything else, for that
matter? AfterShot a little too difficult for you? Oh, did you purchase
ANOTHER APPLICATION to do that with? What, you mean Elements can handle all
your needs? Well, gee, why don't you just toddle right over there and start
"helping" a few people on the Adobe newsgroups?
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Uni
Not really, Ron. Watch the one I'm going to toss at Mr. Lacey :)
And Ron, what, takes about 10 seconds more to load Elements than PSP-7?
But look how much faster the updates are performed! Come on. It takes me
more than 10 seconds to create a layer to adjust the Color Saturation on
a image! You know, one of many PSP work arounds. Sheesh! :)
Uni
Jackie Laderoute
>Not really, Ron. Watch the one I'm going to toss at Mr. Lacey :)
>
>And Ron, what, takes about 10 seconds more to load Elements than PSP-7?
>But look how much faster the updates are performed! Come on. It takes me
>more than 10 seconds to create a layer to adjust the Color Saturation on
>a image! You know, one of many PSP work arounds. Sheesh! :)
It takes a lot longer to boot on my machine than PSP 7 does. PSP takes
just over 3 seconds to open, PS Elements took 35 seconds. I'll
subtract 10 seconds from that for the "Try" SplashScreen - that still
makes it 3 seconds to 25.
Faster updates? Not on this system. And it won't take my full filter
or font load. In testing, Elements choked with less than half my
filters loading. That makes it slightly better than Photoshop, which
is a huge resource hog, but why should I give up my favourite toys
just to use Elements?
Frankly, it's a bit of a pig. Memory and resources are not handled
elegantly, and even equivalent operations take longer in Elements.
So far, the only "neat" feature I've found is the interactive shapes -
add, subtract, intersect and exclude. I've achieved a minor peace with
the Impressionist Brush, but it's still too uncontrollable.
As for screen real estate, I'm running it on my single 17" monitor at
1280 x 1024. Initially, there's not a whole lot more room than in PSP
7 with the palettes docked open (the way I normally run). If I close
the "Hints" and "Recipes", there's more - but no overview window and
no way to fit the image to the window (but you can fit it to the
workspace, which gives you such odd zooms as "163%"). The tool bar (as
opposed to PSP's tool palette) saves some space, but the difference
isn't significant with my normal setup.
So - slower; hogs more memory and resources; lack of multiple undos;
buggy (I just crashed it *again* - fifth time since I downloaded it);
still does the PS thing with not showing accurate previews unless at
100% zoom (that's bitten me before and will bite people expecting a
WYSIWYG preview)... just why would I want to buy this program when it
gives me less functionality and poorer performance than PSP?
But I'm willing to give it a fair trial for the next 29 days (then I
will reclaim my disk space - this thing is *huge*). So far, though,
it's just not stacking up.
Jackie
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Uni
Jackie Laderoute wrote:
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> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 09:14:55 -0400, Uni <plg...@usa.net> wrote:
>
> >Not really, Ron. Watch the one I'm going to toss at Mr. Lacey :)
> >
> >And Ron, what, takes about 10 seconds more to load Elements than PSP-7?
> >But look how much faster the updates are performed! Come on. It takes me
> >more than 10 seconds to create a layer to adjust the Color Saturation on
> >a image! You know, one of many PSP work arounds. Sheesh! :)
>
> It takes a lot longer to boot on my machine than PSP 7 does. PSP takes
> just over 3 seconds to open, PS Elements took 35 seconds. I'll
> subtract 10 seconds from that for the "Try" SplashScreen - that still
> makes it 3 seconds to 25.
>
> Faster updates? Not on this system. And it won't take my full filter
> or font load.
Gee, Jackie, it sounds as though you need a computer expert to optimize
your computer!!
<snip>
Ronald Vick
Nope, you haven't learned. Funny, I predicted that in a posting to
Sally.
Is that so-called "Work-around" also a work-around in PhotoShop, or
does the name PSP degrade the concept of Adjustment Layers?
What you're calling a 'Work-around' is a powerful, time saving tool in
all of the advanced graphics editors, oh king of mis-information.
Don't look for it in Elementary graphics programs.
I'm sorry that you're a slow worker and all, but that's not the
program's fault.
Ron
Tweets
yet to see him post in a PS group. Elements was created to attract PSP
users. heh if he loves PS and Elements he should be over there posting! Is
it possible that he's a sales rep for Adobe(EG) It sure seems like it the
way he promotes those programs here in PSP.
Gee he didn't have a chance to give AfterShots a trial run for stitching. .
. .if I go to the trouble of downloading a program, I give it a test run in
it's capabilities. If I'm short in time, I wait until I know I can test it.
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Uni
Tweets wrote:
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> I'd love to see examples and I believe we've asked for them before. I've
> yet to see him post in a PS group. Elements was created to attract PSP
> users.
I'm sure it was. Tweets. I believe you get a $20 upgrade discount on it,
if you own PSP.
And if I were promoting Adobe's products, I'd be providing links to
them, which I'm not.
I'm just comparing two pieces of silly software, that's all.
Uni
Tweets
got me into the LVS classes ; ) I also have AfterShot. Now to get my
zillion cat photo's into albums(G)
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> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:44:49 GMT, "Tweets"
> <Tvv...@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>
> >I'd love to see examples and I believe we've asked for them before. I've
> >yet to see him post in a PS group.
>
> Some After Shots stitching http://www.ronstoons.com/panorama/
>
> Regards
> Ron (who isn't shy about posting his work)
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Tweets
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Uni
Ron Lacey wrote:
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> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 15:44:49 GMT, "Tweets"
> <Tvv...@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>
> >I'd love to see examples and I believe we've asked for them before. I've
> >yet to see him post in a PS group.
>
> Some After Shots stitching http://www.ronstoons.com/panorama/
Very nice, Ron. But in the two last images, it's obvious where the
stitches are.
Thanks.
Uni
Tweets
much boasting around here.
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> On 9 Apr 2002 10:59:04 -0500, Ron Lacey <r...@ronstoons.com> wrote:
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> >>I'd love to see examples and I believe we've asked for them before.
I've
> >>yet to see him post in a PS group.
> >
> >Some After Shots stitching http://www.ronstoons.com/panorama/
>
> Opps that wasn't done in After Shots but rather PhotoStitch 3.1.
> sorry for the misinformation.
>
> Ron
Jackie Laderoute
>On Tue, 09 Apr 2002 12:22:41 -0400, Uni <plg...@usa.net> wrote:
>
>>Very nice, Ron. But in the two last images, it's obvious where the
>>stitches are.
>
>A couple may be discernable in the Sleeping Giant (third one) but none
>are too "obvious" and certainly not all of them. So tell me genius
>where are they and how many images did I use in each one?
Nope. And I see that Giant every day. 'Course, I keep my monitor
well-calibrated, so if I throw off the brightness or contrast I might
be able to make it out.
You know, in the first one, you can just catch the top of the roof of
my Armoury (if you know where to look). ;-) I may just have to try a
panorama of the old girl (she's too big to capture in a single shot).
Jackie Laderoute
>Jackie Laderoute wrote:
>
>> It takes a lot longer to boot on my machine than PSP 7 does. PSP takes
>> just over 3 seconds to open, PS Elements took 35 seconds. I'll
>> subtract 10 seconds from that for the "Try" SplashScreen - that still
>> makes it 3 seconds to 25.
>>
>> Faster updates? Not on this system. And it won't take my full filter
>> or font load.
>
>Gee, Jackie, it sounds as though you need a computer expert to optimize
>your computer!!
Oh, really? And just what would you know about computers?
Sally Beacham
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>
>
>
> Gee, Jackie, it sounds as though you need a computer expert to optimize
> your computer!!
>
Oh............ you silly little man. She's got more computer knowledge in
her nail clippings than you'll ever have, including your library of unused
reference books.
Sally Beacham
> >stitches are.
>
> are too "obvious" and certainly not all of them. So tell me genius
> where are they and how many images did I use in each one?
I know I know I know but that's because you showed me when you made them. I
couldn't see them otherwise. He must have Superman's X-Ray vision. All
Olson twins please put on your lead underwear.
Sally Beacham
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> <G> No problem. I was actually asking to see Uni's work since he does so
> much boasting around here.
Wanna see his masterworks in the binaries group? They are remarkably
telling.....
Tweets
binaries group tho.
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> >
> > kajira hill wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together
> > > to make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a
> > > panorama mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions
> > > about choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new
> > > document. Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way?
> > > Thanks a BUNCH!
> >
> > Yes, PSP can do it, in a round about way. But there are other
> > applications which are made exclusively to do what you're looking to
> > do.
> >
> > You can find some tips and applications on Max Lyons' web page:
> > http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/index.html
> >
> > Uni
> >
That's a function in PSP I really miss. Perhaps the JASC boys and girls
will make that a priority for Version 8.
I mean... Even things like PhotoSuite V4 can stitch panoramas easy
peasy... As can Elements.
Cheers
Dave S
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Yes, but can Photosuite or Elements do all the other things
that PSP does? And if you want to stay with Jasc you can do
stitching with After Shot. Get yourself an evaluation copy
from http://www.jasc.com/products/aftershot/ (just click the
"Try" button).
>
> Cheers
> Dave S
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Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote:
> Dave Symes wrote:
[Snip]
> > That's a function in PSP I really miss. Perhaps the JASC boys and girls
> > will make that a priority for Version 8.
> >
> > I mean... Even things like PhotoSuite V4 can stitch panoramas easy
> > peasy... As can Elements.
> > Cheers
> > Dave S
> Yes, but can Photosuite or Elements do all the other things
> that PSP does? And if you want to stay with Jasc you can do
> stitching with After Shot. Get yourself an evaluation copy
> from http://www.jasc.com/products/aftershot/ (just click the
> "Try" button).
Interesting thought Kris, but kinda misses the point. I don't want a
separate App to do the stitching, there are loads of them about already...
I want it as an integral part of the App I use a lot.
Photosuite or Elements... No competition regarding all the other things
that PSP can do... But I assume JASC have a feedback/user wish list for
consideration, or do they just bung in a couple of enhancements that
someone at the top fancies, and release it as a new version?
Cheers
Dave S
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>
> In article <3CB93F9E...@jasc.com>,
> Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote:
> > Dave Symes wrote:
>
> [Snip]
>
> > > That's a function in PSP I really miss. Perhaps the JASC boys and girls
> > > will make that a priority for Version 8.
> > >
> > > I mean... Even things like PhotoSuite V4 can stitch panoramas easy
> > > peasy... As can Elements.
>
> > > Cheers
> > > Dave S
>
> > Yes, but can Photosuite or Elements do all the other things
> > that PSP does? And if you want to stay with Jasc you can do
> > stitching with After Shot. Get yourself an evaluation copy
> > from http://www.jasc.com/products/aftershot/ (just click the
> > "Try" button).
>
> Interesting thought Kris, but kinda misses the point. I don't want a
> separate App to do the stitching, there are loads of them about already...
> I want it as an integral part of the App I use a lot.
I didn't miss the point. I was trying to suggest a
solution to your problem that would work now. Your
wish for doing everything in one app is understandable.
> Photosuite or Elements... No competition regarding all the other things
> that PSP can do... But I assume JASC have a feedback/user wish list for
> consideration, or do they just bung in a couple of enhancements that
> someone at the top fancies, and release it as a new version?
No, we listen carefully to users. I cannot say what will
or will not be in some future version of PSP. Bear in
mind that there is a range of user opinion about the best
enhancements to PSP. One person's "must have" feature is
another person's "bloat". It is quite common to for users
as a whole to suggest mutually contradictory changes :)
> Cheers
> Dave S
>
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> No, we listen carefully to users. I cannot say what will
> or will not be in some future version of PSP. Bear in
> mind that there is a range of user opinion about the best
> enhancements to PSP. One person's "must have" feature is
> another person's "bloat". It is quite common to for users
> as a whole to suggest mutually contradictory changes :)
Well if there must be some sort of a tiebreaker? Sure, it's a dirty job,
but somebody's got to do it. Shoot those competing lists over here, and
I'll set you straight "on what's best for everybody". :)) Count on me to be
completely and totally impartial. Though, quite honestly, all vector and
Animation Shop debates/requests will be decided on the toss of a coin.
Porter (Who can be bought - so, who wants macros, somebody make me an
offer!) Caldwell
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In the event that Ms.Caldwell cannot perform the duties of the Wish List
Tiebreaker? I'll be happy to step in. Vectors are back in, overview window
and rollups are out. And there's no more "background layer" - it's "layer
one" or nothing!
(Watch the fur fly NOW that I said I don't want rollups!)
Mark Johnson
>I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together to
>make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a panorama
>mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions about
>choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new document.
>Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way? Thanks a BUNCH!
Just not that straightforward. Lots of adjustments have to be made to
cleanly create a panorama, of a nature scene, or a serious of lab
slides - whatever. Lots of things can throw you off. But if it goes
well, you can produce a great, huge, flat or curved result. And a
particular curved result can be fed to an 'immersive' viewer, which
gives you the sense of being inside an interactive movie - to a point
(cause, you are basically fixed to a point on the ground, if you
will).
People have recommend Factory. And I know of people who swear by it.
I've been messing around with the PTAssembler, mentioned elsewhere,
here - http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/index.html .
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Uni
Mark Johnson wrote:
>
> kajira hill <odal...@peoplepc.com> wrote:
>
> >I'm in need of instructions as to how to stitch two photos together to
> >make one big photo. These photos would not be taken in a panorama
> >mode. Does PSP have this function? I have instructions about
> >choosing a space and copy & paste the two sides into the new document.
> >Is that the only info on it? Is there an easier way? Thanks a BUNCH!
>
> Just not that straightforward. Lots of adjustments have to be made to
> cleanly create a panorama, of a nature scene, or a serious of lab
> slides - whatever. Lots of things can throw you off. But if it goes
> well, you can produce a great, huge, flat or curved result. And a
> particular curved result can be fed to an 'immersive' viewer, which
> gives you the sense of being inside an interactive movie - to a point
> (cause, you are basically fixed to a point on the ground, if you
> will).
>
> People have recommend Factory. And I know of people who swear by it.
>
> I've been messing around with the PTAssembler, mentioned elsewhere,
> here - http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/index.html .
FYI: A individual has just posted a review of panorama software he has
tried in the alt.periphs.scanner newsgroup.
Uni
Fred Hiltz
<snip>
> FYI: A individual has just posted a review of panorama software he has
> tried in the alt.periphs.scanner newsgroup.
Oh, Uni, Uni, Uni--when will you learn not to shoot from the hip? You missed the target again. There is
no such newsgroup. You may have meant alt.comp.periphs.scanner, but you could have saved us some digging
around.
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Uni
Fred Hiltz wrote:
>
> "Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3CBAEB00...@usa.net...
> <snip>
> > FYI: A individual has just posted a review of panorama software he has
> > tried in the alt.periphs.scanner newsgroup.
>
> Oh, Uni, Uni, Uni--when will you learn not to shoot from the hip? You missed the target again. There is
> no such newsgroup. You may have meant alt.comp.periphs.scanner, but you could have saved us some digging
> around.
Very sorry, Fred! Actually, it's the comp.periphs.scanner newsgroup.
Drop the alt. :)
Thanks, for the correction.
Uni
Rick Simon
> Fred Hiltz wrote:
>>
>> "Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message
>> news:3CBAEB00...@usa.net... <snip>
>> > FYI: A individual has just posted a review of panorama software
>> > he has tried in the alt.periphs.scanner newsgroup.
>>
>> Oh, Uni, Uni, Uni--when will you learn not to shoot from the hip?
>> You missed the target again. There is no such newsgroup. You may
>> have meant alt.comp.periphs.scanner, but you could have saved us
>> some digging around.
>
> Very sorry, Fred! Actually, it's the comp.periphs.scanner
> newsgroup. Drop the alt. :)
Actually, there are both alt.comp.periphs.scanner and
comp.periphs.scanners (not scanner) newsgroups out there. The news
server I'm using shows both of them as active and containing
postings. Your milage may vary though since not all news servers
carry all newsgroups. For instance, the server I'm using only carries
a bit over 32,400 newsgroups.
--
Rick Simon
rsi...@cris.com
Uni
Rick Simon wrote:
>
> Uni <plg...@usa.net> wrote in news:3CBB2166...@usa.net:
>
> > Fred Hiltz wrote:
> >>
> >> "Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message
> >> news:3CBAEB00...@usa.net... <snip>
> >> > FYI: A individual has just posted a review of panorama software
> >> > he has tried in the alt.periphs.scanner newsgroup.
> >>
> >> Oh, Uni, Uni, Uni--when will you learn not to shoot from the hip?
> >> You missed the target again. There is no such newsgroup. You may
> >> have meant alt.comp.periphs.scanner, but you could have saved us
> >> some digging around.
> >
> > Very sorry, Fred! Actually, it's the comp.periphs.scanner
> > newsgroup. Drop the alt. :)
>
> Actually, there are both alt.comp.periphs.scanner and
> comp.periphs.scanners (not scanner) newsgroups out there.
Gee, I blew it again, didn't I?! :)
> The news
> server I'm using shows both of them as active and containing
> postings. Your milage may vary though since not all news servers
> carry all newsgroups. For instance, the server I'm using only carries
> a bit over 32,400 newsgroups.
And probably 50% of them are dead or full of spam.
Anyway, the post I was referring to "Stitching Software", was posted to
both newsgroups you mentioned above.
Thanks, for the error checking :)
Uni
>
> --
> Rick Simon
> rsi...@cris.com
JoAnn
"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3CBB7AF9...@usa.net...
>
>
> Rick Simon wrote:
> >
> > Uni <plg...@usa.net> wrote in news:3CBB2166...@usa.net:
> >
> > > Fred Hiltz wrote:
> > >>
> > >> "Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message
> > >> news:3CBAEB00...@usa.net... <snip>
> > >> > FYI: A individual has just posted a review of panorama software
> > >> > he has tried in the alt.periphs.scanner newsgroup.
> > >>
> > >> Oh, Uni, Uni, Uni--when will you learn not to shoot from the hip?
> > >> You missed the target again. There is no such newsgroup. You may
> > >> have meant alt.comp.periphs.scanner, but you could have saved us
> > >> some digging around.
> > >
> > > Very sorry, Fred! Actually, it's the comp.periphs.scanner
> > > newsgroup. Drop the alt. :)
> >
> > Actually, there are both alt.comp.periphs.scanner and
> > comp.periphs.scanners (not scanner) newsgroups out there.
>
> Gee, I blew it again, didn't I?! :)
This is really strange, because my news server lists 4 groups:
alt.comp.periphs.scanner
alt.comp.periphs.scanners
comp.periphs.scanner
comp.periphs.scanners
All four groups contain messages, but the two mentioned by Rick above are
the most active.
Jo
Uni
I agree. The most active is the comp.periphs.scanners newsgroup.
There's also a alt.binaries.nospam.scanners.post newsgroup too, with
associated discussion groups as well.
Uni
>
> Jo
Rick Simon
news:2MNu8.98847$gA5.7...@e3500-atl2.usenetserver.com:
Not strange at all. That's why I added a "Your milage may vary" to
my earlier posting. Unlike the web, Usenet works as a collaborative
venture with multiple servers scattered across the net. There is no
centralized distribution point, no "main server" so to speak. When
you make a posting, your computer hands it off to your news server.
Your news server publishes it on its own set of newsgroups, then
hands copies of the posting off to a couple of other news servers.
Those news servers in turn publish the posting on their set of
newsgroups and hand off copies to yet another couple of servers. In
this way, your posting "filters" its way across the net and
eventually shows up on most news servers where other people can read
it. This is why you may see a curious "time delay" phenomenon every
once in a while. Where someone's reply to a post may show up before
the original post. Or you might reply to a post and then 2 days later
someone else may reply to the very same post saying the very same
thing you did. They simply had not seen your reply yet when they sent
their own.
That's also one of the reasons why so many people frown on binaries
in here. A large percentage of news servers do not carry any binaries
at all. If a message has a binary attached to it, the news server
simply drops the entire message and nobody who uses that server will
ever see the message. Worse yet, due to the way that all newsgroup
messages are handed off from server to server to server, if one of
the first news servers to receive the message drops it and does not
pass it along the line to further news servers, nobody else will see
it either. It doesn't matter if those news servers further down the
line allow binaries or not. If the message is not passed on to them,
they cannot show it. So even if you're using a news server that
_does_ allow binaries, you still may not see a binary posting that
somebody else made on your news server. As such, it is not at all
uncommon for a binary posting in a non-binary newsgroup to be seen by
only a few users and completely missed by the vast majority of
others.
As far as what newsgroups are or are not available, each individual
server can have whatever newsgroups it wants to carry. Some public
news servers only carry a couple thousand newsgroups. Others may
carry 60,000+. Most fall somewhere in between. And then there are the
"private" news servers. Those may carry anywhere from 1 to hundreds
of newsgroups, but they often cannot be accessed through normal
Usenet channels at all.
If the news server you happen to be connecting through does not
carry a particular newsgroup, you'll simply not be able to access it
or even know that it exists as far as your news server is concerned.
If there's a newsgroup that you would like to access but your news
server does not carry it, you can always put in a request to whoever
runs your news server and ask them to add that newsgroup to the
server. Usually (barring binary issues) sysadmin's are fairly
receptive to adding groups to their news server.
Hope this helps to clarify things.
--
Rick Simon
rsi...@cris.com
JoAnn
"Rick Simon" <rsi...@cris.com> wrote in message
news:Xns91F2549F5BA...@205.158.27.240...
<snip>
> As far as what newsgroups are or are not available, each individual
> server can have whatever newsgroups it wants to carry. Some public
> news servers only carry a couple thousand newsgroups. Others may
> carry 60,000+. Most fall somewhere in between.
<snip>
> Hope this helps to clarify things.
It does, thanks!
Jo
Dave Symes
Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > > Yes, but can Photosuite or Elements do all the other things
> > > that PSP does? And if you want to stay with Jasc you can do
> > > stitching with After Shot. Get yourself an evaluation copy
> > > from http://www.jasc.com/products/aftershot/ (just click the
> > > "Try" button).
Hi Kris,
This weekend I did download the eval copy of "After Shot".
I had two goes at downloading it from The Digital workshop site, but both
times the file was corrupted... I think the corruption is on their site,
as the file size shows wrong on their site.
Eventually, after two lots of wasted time I downloaded direct from the
JASC site okay.
Obviously I've only had a short play with it (couple of hours).
Bad news first.
With a couple of sets of images I've successfully stitched using various
other Graphic apps, I attempted to get a panorama out of After Shot... No
chance, not a one set could be stitched by AS "The stitching operation
failed" in all cases
I reduced a set to two piccied... Still no stitch.... Yes I read the Help
entry.
It wouldn't get the pictures off my camera (OLY C3030Z) by any method.
Did manage to get AS to read the piccies from my Card reader though.
Batch operations, even simple ones like rotate multiple piccies can't be
undone... Very bad.
The selection tool, the manually select shaped things tool is rather
trivial, no magnetic effect, and more importantly, once the selection ants
are marching, I could find no way of adjusting the selection, Add or
Subtract from that selection.
Few other bits 'N bobs that were problematic...
One bit of good news though.
I did like the "Image Correction Tab window, with the moveable divider
dividing up the piccy... Original and New... That divider is a brill idea.
So Kris, the bottom line Question.
Aside from cataloguing a piccy collection, Why would anyone who has access
to Elements or PSP or even various other acceptable Graphics apps use AS?
I feel that Jasc are being a bit naughty, developing a different app and
siphoning off things that should be incorporated into PSP.
Oh I understand the ploy... But in order that I'd shell out more lolly for
a second Jasc app, I'm afraid it'd have to be a lot better than AS.
All that Grump aside, thanks for pointing me at it.
Porter
"Dave Symes" <d...@ukgateway.net> wrote in message
news:4b2ddc...@ukgateway.net...
There is a whole bunch of world population that wants to simply manage their
digital camera images, while a full featured powerhouse like PSP is quite
likely to just scare the pee right out of them. They want to do a couple
things, and seek certain limited functions which also offer them very easy
slam-dunk learning curves. If one falls into that category, or simply needs
a couple of those features, then it may well be a very viable opportunity
for them. Who knows what PSP 8 will have in it? I'm still pretty sure that
no matter how "features inclusive" or "waay cool" it may be, I've got far
more people in my family (and living on my block) who would be more eager to
take on After Shot for their limited needs, than to stop their lives and
jump PSP's learning curve. It's not for me either, but my Aunt Harriet will
think it's the bee's knees. In my family alone there are far more Aunt
Harriets than there are Porters. I'd venture a guess that when it comes to
computers and graphics, that your own family's ratio might also be similar.
Call it something for everyone.
Porter
Kris Zaklika
[snip]
> So Kris, the bottom line Question.
>
> Aside from cataloguing a piccy collection, Why would anyone who has access
> to Elements or PSP or even various other acceptable Graphics apps use AS?
Well, despite your experiences with your images (with
which I do not quibble) stitching works for other people.
It is an application that does things such as slideshows,
web pages, stitching, organizing and so on, with a
limited number of image editing capabilities. It is ideal
for people who want to just want to store and share images
and don't want to get into "that whole graphics thing"
and all those arcane things they don't care about. Some
people point their camera and click; some set up darkrooms
and dodge and burn. Different strokes for different folks.
After Shot is not an image editor of the power of Elements,
still less the power of PSP. Would you expect it to be
for the price? (Incidentally, you can also use Jasc Media
Center to catalog images - it's part of PSP 7 Anniversary
Edition :)
> I feel that Jasc are being a bit naughty, developing a different app and
> siphoning off things that should be incorporated into PSP.
Unfortunately your feelings are misguided. After Shot
is a product, formerly called Image Expert, that Jasc
acquired from Sierra Imaging. It caters to a certain
category of people who use and enjoy images. We haven't
started improving it yet :)
> Oh I understand the ploy... But in order that I'd shell out more lolly for
> a second Jasc app, I'm afraid it'd have to be a lot better than AS.
As I explained, there is no ploy. In place of the
conspiracy theory, it's the simple explanation that
usually applies :) Even without any enhancements we
are now able to cater to and provide solutions for
more customers than before. That seems a good thing to
me - both for Jasc and for the customer.
> All that Grump aside, thanks for pointing me at it.
You will have noticed that I very carefully said "And
IF YOU WANT TO STAY WITH JASC you can do stitching with
After Shot." There are plenty of stitching apps out
there - including free ones - and it is not my job to
shill for them, though I have posted links to these
before in the group. I just wanted to mention that Jasc
offers a stitching solution too. What works and does
not work in any given stitching app depends very much on
the image content coupled with the matching algorithm,
as well as the extent of image overlap. You should use
what works best for you. I'm not prescribing or
proscribing anything - merely making information available.
> Cheers
> Dave S
Likewise. Put the grump aside and nip down to the local
for a swift half instead :)
> --
> _______________________________________________________________________
> Dave Symes... d...@ukgateway.net
> Also... d...@dafs.freeserve.co.uk .. or... da...@triffid.co.uk
> http://www.dfs.ukgateway.net
--
Dave Symes
> Bad news first.
> With a couple of sets of images I've successfully stitched using various
> other Graphic apps, I attempted to get a panorama out of After Shot... No
> chance, not a one set could be stitched by AS "The stitching operation
> failed" in all cases
> I reduced a set to two piccied... Still no stitch.... Yes I read the Help
> entry.
Interesting...
I'm still playing... I've managed to get AS., to stitch together a couple
of images that were not actually intended as a panorama.
What fun I'm having.
I've just retried a 3 piccy set from the previous postings experiment.
Interestingly, It has stitched them together... but has only stitched two,
ignoring the third.
It's a shoreline and seascape, it's stitched the shore line and first sea
piccy but omitted to add the out to seascape.
I've retried it, making sure the three piccies are selected... Nope! same
job.
I've tried another three piccy set... All other apps I use make a panorama
out of these with absolutely no trouble.
AS., does attempt to make a panorama, but fails... just stacks the three
pictures on top of each other.
Actually the more I play with this panoramic option the cruder it appears.
Another Graphic app I have, puts the three piccies in the stitch window as
does AS., but unlike AS., if I want, I can manually move the piccies
roughly into position, so the overlaps/joins are where I want them, then
the app does a match job at those points.
That way I can ensure all my three piccies get joined...
I've just tried that in Elements... does the business okay.
Uni
Dave,
You may be interested in the stitching software and tips at:
http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/index.html
Also, here's a write up about several applications which can do
stitching, courtesy of Neil Miller, posted in a scanner newsgroup:
"Would like to hear opinions on stitching software. I
have tried:
Adobe Photomerge, which is contained in PhotoSuite
Elements
MGI Photo (similar feature in PhotoSuite)
PanaVue Image Assembler
Here's the results of testing I've done so far:
Sometimes PhotoVista, and the similar feature for
stitching contained in MGI
PhotoSuite, works perfectly. But, a significant number
of times the automatic
alignment is wrong (luckily so wrong it's obvious),
and occasionally there are
blending errors even when the alignment works --
vertical elements, such as a
border of an object, will occasionally show an
overlap. The solution for the
automatic alignment problem is to overlap the scanned
sections even more, to
give the algorithm more to work with. But, even with
50% overlap, any blending
errors still occur.
Adobe PhotoSuite Elements Photomerge works perfectly
on every test I've made as
far as alignment and blending (they have an Advanced
Blending option, and it is
definitely necessary). Narrower overlaps are needed
compared to MGI's software.
But, Photomerge's problem is that it does not access
the computer's virtual
memory, at least not on my Windows XP computer with
256 megs of hardware
memory. Thus resolutions have to be decreased (usually
too much for a high
quality print) so as not to get a Not Enough Memory
message.
Now I'm trying PanaVue. So far so good. I am stitching
a painting that has been
problematical to MGI's software, and of course
requires Adobe's software to
diminish resolution. PanaVue aligned and blended
perfectly and required no
resizing of resolution.
If you are sending a Reply to Group, please also click
(X) to Copy (or CC)
Author, so I'll get the reply by e-mail -- Thanks!
Neil Miller"
Uni
Dave Symes
> You are all correct of course... It's just I couldn't fathom why someone
> like me with PSP, Elements and various other stuff installed would be
> interested in something as lightweight as AfterShot.
> Cheers
> Dave S
Having slept on it... I've just had a thought... (Only one you ask)
When it comes to post camera digital piccy work, SWMBO has much simpler
requirements than I.
Probably AfterShot (Hospital, autopsy. coffin), would be a better app for
her to use.
I must get her playing with the demo... if she likes it... prezzy time for
her methinks.
Cheers
Dave S
Dave Symes
Uni <plg...@usa.net> wrote:
> Dave,
> You may be interested in the stitching software and tips at:
> http://cgibin.rcn.com/maxlyons/index.html
> Also, here's a write up about several applications which can do
> stitching, courtesy of Neil Miller, posted in a scanner newsgroup:
Thanks for the thoughts.
I'm okay for apps that stitch piccies, I've quite a few installed... 'WOT'
I want is *it* in PSP-8.
Cheers
Dave S