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Heather

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Jul 27, 2001, 6:37:01 PM7/27/01
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Hi all,

I currently own PSP 6, but have been looking into upgrading to
version 7. One feature that I am especially interested in is the
watercolor effect, but I'm not sure if it is worth upgrading just
for this effect. In addition, I'm not even sure how well the
watercolor effect works. I was wondering if someone could apply
the watercolor effect to a drawing and a photo, then either email
it to me of post it online, so that I can see how well the effect
works.

TIA,

Heather

Fugitive

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Jul 28, 2001, 2:39:48 AM7/28/01
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What watercolor effect? I just look so maybe I could send you
something, but I could not find it. I have it in plugins. Anyway, no,
it's not worth it.(I'm gonna catch hell for this.)
greg


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Kris Zaklika

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Jul 28, 2001, 2:39:37 AM7/28/01
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Why don't you just download the evaluation version of
PSP 7 and make up your own mind? You can get it from:
http://www.jasc.com/download_4.asp

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Ronald Vick

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2001 06:39:48 GMT, Fugitive
<gregfar...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>What watercolor effect? I just look so maybe I could send you
>something, but I could not find it. I have it in plugins. Anyway, no,
>it's not worth it.(I'm gonna catch hell for this.)
>greg
>

And rightly so. Without knowing another person't needs, you cannot
make a flat statement.

As for me, just the added power of the new color/gradient/pattern
palette was worth the upgrade. As they say, the proof of the
pudding's in the eating, and the proof of a graphic editor is in the
painting.

I painted an image of a large clock on the limb of a tree, with fire
melting the clock. Flames in the background, etc. The new palette
allowed me to do it with much less work than would have taken in 6.

I've also purchased a digital camera, and have discovered an entirely
new set of features in PSP 7, which are not in 6.

Improved vectors, jeesh, what else could one ask for in an upgrade. I
only hope we see as big an improvement in 8.


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Fugitive

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Jul 28, 2001, 11:18:51 AM7/28/01
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I am always misunderstood. I am not in any way anti PSP 7, I just
didn't want the person to waste their money but for one feature.
greg

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Scribe

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Jul 29, 2001, 3:17:00 AM7/29/01
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Hey Kris, I think you need a vacation. I have been watching you post to this group for some time now. You used to provide intelligent, sometimes humorous, always polite and friendly responses to people's queries.

Now, however, you are showing strong biases (unnecessary in answering questions) and you have become decided snippy. In this thread, for instance, the original poster asked about a watercolor effect in version 7.  Apparently I am not the only one who can find no such effect in this version. But what do you say to this person? You tell her to just download the trial version and find out for yourself. Why not tell her that there is no such effect? Is Jasc so hard up for business that they are now resorting to such callous practices?

I think you have been hanging out here in these ng's too long and have let the lowest common denominator present in all ng's taint your thinking and attitude. Take a break, Kris. Get back in touch with what you know to be a better way to communicate with people (customers of your company). Please don't let your exposure to these groups bring you down to the lowest level.

Scribe


Kris Zaklika

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Jul 29, 2001, 5:46:11 AM7/29/01
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Scribe wrote:
>
> Hey Kris, I think you need a vacation. I have been watching you post
> to this group for some time now. You used to provide intelligent,
> sometimes humorous, always polite and friendly responses to people's
> queries.

I do need a vacation. I expect to get one in about 2 weeks.

>
> Now, however, you are showing strong biases (unnecessary in answering
> questions) and you have become decided snippy. In this thread, for
> instance, the original poster asked about a watercolor effect in
> version 7. Apparently I am not the only one who can find no such
> effect in this version. But what do you say to this person? You tell
> her to just download the trial version and find out for yourself. Why
> not tell her that there is no such effect? Is Jasc so hard up for
> business that they are now resorting to such callous practices?

Actually, a simple mistake on my part. I thought I had seen
a watercolor effect in the PSP artistic effects. I was wrong.
Regrettably, despite my efforts, I have not yet mastered
infaliblity. The easiest way to achieve that, of course, is
never to attempt to answer a user question unless you are
absolutely certain about the answer.

>
> I think you have been hanging out here in these ng's too long and have
> let the lowest common denominator present in all ng's taint your
> thinking and attitude. Take a break, Kris. Get back in touch with what
> you know to be a better way to communicate with people (customers of
> your company). Please don't let your exposure to these groups bring
> you down to the lowest level.

I'm many time zones away from the U.S. and have very little
time to devote to the newsgroup right now. Hence very brief
and less well researched answers than usual. If you'd be
happier with no answers I'd be quite glad to shut up :) I've
a very full plate right now, and posting here is not my real
job - just an attempt to help users.

>
> Scribe
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------


>
> Kris Zaklika wrote:
>
> > Why don't you just download the evaluation version of
> > PSP 7 and make up your own mind? You can get it from:
> > http://www.jasc.com/download_4.asp
> >
> > Heather wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I currently own PSP 6, but have been looking into upgrading to
> > > version 7. One feature that I am especially interested in is the
> > > watercolor effect, but I'm not sure if it is worth upgrading just
> > > for this effect. In addition, I'm not even sure how well the
> > > watercolor effect works. I was wondering if someone could apply
> > > the watercolor effect to a drawing and a photo, then either email
> > > it to me of post it online, so that I can see how well the effect
> > > works.
> > >
> > > TIA,
> > >
> > > Heather
> >
> > --
> > --
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------

Nightingail

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Jul 29, 2001, 9:53:06 AM7/29/01
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"Kris Zaklika" <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, a simple mistake on my part. I thought I had seen
> a watercolor effect in the PSP artistic effects. I was wrong.


Kris you didn't make a mistake - there is a watercolor effect in PSP7,
just a little hard to find ;-) Effects>Artistic Effects >Brush Strokes
and one of the presets is Watercolor. The settings can be tweaked for
more variety, but it provides a good starting point for the effect.

Gail

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Angela M. Cable

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Jul 29, 2001, 10:23:58 AM7/29/01
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Scribe wrote:
>
> Hey Kris, I think you need a vacation. I have been watching you post
> to this group for some time now. You used to provide intelligent,
> sometimes humorous, always polite and friendly responses to people's
> queries.
>
> Now, however, you are showing strong biases (unnecessary in answering
> questions) and you have become decided snippy. In this thread, for
> instance, the original poster asked about a watercolor effect in
> version 7. Apparently I am not the only one who can find no such
> effect in this version. But what do you say to this person? You tell
> her to just download the trial version and find out for yourself. Why
> not tell her that there is no such effect? Is Jasc so hard up for
> business that they are now resorting to such callous practices?
>
> I think you have been hanging out here in these ng's too long and have
> let the lowest common denominator present in all ng's taint your
> thinking and attitude. Take a break, Kris. Get back in touch with what
> you know to be a better way to communicate with people (customers of
> your company). Please don't let your exposure to these groups bring
> you down to the lowest level.
>
> Scribe


Perhaps *you* should've looked a little more carefully before posting
your little rant, try Effects->Artistic Effects->Brush Strokes. Seems
to me "brush strokes" ought to be a pretty obvious connection to
"watercolor" even if somebody might never have picked up an actual
brush. I find PSP's brush stroke filter's seven controls much more
powerful than PS's pathetic three.

FYI, it's not part of Kris' job to post here, he does it out of the
goodness of his heart and a true desire to help people. It's also not
his job to hand-hold people that are too lazy to download a fully
functional demo that costs nothing but a little time. If you think
Kris' answer was snippy, try asking the same sort of thing in the
PhotoShop newsgroup and see how far you get.

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Fugitive

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Jul 29, 2001, 12:21:28 PM7/29/01
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I also found the WC effect in brushes but it is in no way superior to
the one in PS, in fact it is sadly lacking(sure I'm gonna get heat 4
this, but it's true.). I took the same identical image, and tweaked it
in both and the PS one looks like a real water color, PSP's does not.
Sorry if this is hard to take for some people.
Greg


On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 04:46:11 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com>
wrote:

Jeanne Brynie

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Jul 29, 2001, 12:28:54 PM7/29/01
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>If you'd be
>happier with no answers I'd be quite glad to shut up :) I've
>a very full plate right now, and posting here is not my real
>job - just an attempt to help users.
>
>> Kris Zaklika

No no no no no!!!!! Your posts are always enlightening. I believe you are
sincere and hardworking and public spirited and all the other good things.
Keep on posting in any way you see fit. I trust your judgment. I really
appreciate your presence here.


"*^*" Jeanne "*^*"

Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never cease to be
amused.

Kerry Pierce

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Jul 29, 2001, 12:30:33 PM7/29/01
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Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote:

>>I do need a vacation. I expect to get one in about 2 weeks.

You can have one, so long as you promise to continue posting answers to
the newsgroup.... :-)

>>happier with no answers I'd be quite glad to shut up :) I've
>>a very full plate right now, and posting here is not my real
>>job - just an attempt to help users.

Not to worry. Short answers are better than no answer at all...
If the user is still uncertain as to what he needs to do, he can ask for a
clarification. Anyone offended by the regular contributors to this group
needs to take a vacation of their own, preferably a long one...

Kris Zaklika

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Jul 30, 2001, 3:12:43 AM7/30/01
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"Angela M. Cable" wrote:
>
[snip]

>
> Perhaps *you* should've looked a little more carefully before posting
> your little rant, try Effects->Artistic Effects->Brush Strokes. Seems
> to me "brush strokes" ought to be a pretty obvious connection to
> "watercolor" even if somebody might never have picked up an actual
> brush. I find PSP's brush stroke filter's seven controls much more
> powerful than PS's pathetic three.
>

Thank you for pointing that out, Angela. My mantle of
infallibility is now restored :) At least I have something
to hide behind now. :)

[snip]


> Angela M. Cable
> http://www.neocognition.com
>
> PSP Tutorial Links:
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9871/PSPlinks.html
> 5th Street Studio, free graphics, websets and more:
> http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/alaia/354/
> BladePro Visual Archive:
> http://www.crosswinds.net/~angeal/

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Ilya Razmanov

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"Kris Zaklika" <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote in message
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>
> If you'd be
> happier with no answers I'd be quite glad to shut up :)

Don't say so unless you want Scribe to get killed by friendly fire from
other PSP users! ;-)

Ilyich.
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On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:12:43 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com>
wrote:

>Thank you for pointing that out, Angela. My mantle of


>infallibility is now restored :) At least I have something
>to hide behind now. :)

How does that go...?

I made a mistake once...when I thought I was wrong, but I was really
right.

co

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Fugitive

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Jul 30, 2001, 9:44:03 AM7/30/01
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Kris: Now is the time to move. Your statis is real close to exhalted,
so you could ask everyone for a tribute. Make um' pay.
Greg


On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 02:12:43 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com>
wrote:

>"Angela M. Cable" wrote:


>>
>[snip]
>>
>> Perhaps *you* should've looked a little more carefully before posting
>> your little rant, try Effects->Artistic Effects->Brush Strokes. Seems
>> to me "brush strokes" ought to be a pretty obvious connection to
>> "watercolor" even if somebody might never have picked up an actual
>> brush. I find PSP's brush stroke filter's seven controls much more
>> powerful than PS's pathetic three.
>>
>
>Thank you for pointing that out, Angela. My mantle of
>infallibility is now restored :) At least I have something
>to hide behind now. :)
>
>[snip]
>> Angela M. Cable
>> http://www.neocognition.com
>>
>> PSP Tutorial Links:
>> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9871/PSPlinks.html
>> 5th Street Studio, free graphics, websets and more:
>> http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/alaia/354/
>> BladePro Visual Archive:
>> http://www.crosswinds.net/~angeal/

Kris Zaklika

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Fugitive wrote:
>
> Kris: Now is the time to move. Your statis is real close to exhalted,
> so you could ask everyone for a tribute. Make um' pay.
> Greg

Let's not get carried away here. I do make mistakes. Other
people provide good advice, often better than mine. Some
things I know better than other people, some not. I'm
just a cog in the Jasc machine (though it's a much nicer
place at which to work than this statement makes it sound :)

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Fugitive

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But your our cog.

greg

On Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:17:39 -0500, Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com>
wrote:


the semi-amateur graphix artist

Jackie Laderoute

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Jul 30, 2001, 8:39:55 PM7/30/01
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"Ilya Razmanov" <ily...@cacr.ioc.ac.ru> wrote in message news:<9k3c3a$pmu$1...@netserv1.free.net>...

>"Kris Zaklika" <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote in message
>news:3B63DB63...@jasc.com...
>>
>> If you'd be
>> happier with no answers I'd be quite glad to shut up :)
>
> Don't say so unless you want Scribe to get killed by friendly fire from
> other PSP users! ;-)

Trust me - friendly fire, isn't.

But Scribe - and others - have to realize that there are real live
people on the other end of postings. Some may be stressed (heh, I
could show you stress right now) and come across as a little snippy
from time to time. Kris isn't normally one of them, but I'd forgive
him even if he was. For that matter, his answer didn't strike me as
particularly testy - but then I am a thousand kms from home right now,
trying to turn 16 year olds into soldiers. From me, you can get more
than snippy ;-).

Jackie

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Linda Nieuwenstein

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Jul 30, 2001, 9:22:38 PM7/30/01
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"Jackie Laderoute" <jflad...@home.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
...but then I am a thousand kms from home right now,


> trying to turn 16 year olds into soldiers. From me, you can get more
> than snippy ;-).
> Jackie

Oh you must have been in heaven when you discovered there was internet
access!
congrats, hope things are going really well for you...less the stress.

Take care
Linda N.


Kris Zaklika

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Watch out - squeezed pimples make nasty friendly fire :)

>
> Jackie
>
> --
> Regular .sig on holiday at home, wretched thing.
> jflad...@home.com

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"Jackie Laderoute" <jflad...@home.com> wrote in message
news:39c8387b.01073...@posting.google.com...
> "Ilya Razmanov" <ily...@cacr.ioc.ac.ru> wrote in message
news:<9k3c3a$pmu$1...@netserv1.free.net>...
> > Don't say so unless you want Scribe to get killed by friendly fire from
> > other PSP users! ;-)
>
> Trust me - friendly fire, isn't.
>
> But Scribe - and others - have to realize that there are real live
> people on the other end of postings.

I guess we know that already, after living our long lives. Everyone can miss
something. Considering the huge amount of much detailed and quite helpful
replyes from Kris, he should miss something about a particular feature at
list once a month even if he is 99.9999% right ;-) Nobody can be perfect,
but indeed, his replies are so good that I always feel I have no chance to
add something, no chance to show that I'm so so smart, and it is quite
boring ;-( Hm, from another point, it would be much stress for me, and looks
like I'm promised to get some stress here already ;-)

> From me, you can get more
> than snippy ;-).

Err... what? ;-)

Ilyich.
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Kris Zaklika

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Jul 31, 2001, 7:41:10 AM7/31/01
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Ilya - I'd be quite happy if you answered for me :)

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"Kris Zaklika" <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote in message
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> Ilya - I'd be quite happy if you answered for me :)
>

No, wait, nooo - I'll have no time for work on my plugins then ;-) You know,
being so dumb as I am I need a lot of time to accomplish even the simple
tasks... arrgh, what happened to the Lab mode again!.. I just tried to
assemble some kind of "maybe a watercolor effect" (speaking of original
topic) from my earlier leftovers... maybe it gonna work someday but for now,
I mostly see the leftovers ;-)

Besides, now I see "at list" instead of "at least" in my previous post, an
error you wouldn't do, no doubt ;-)

Still, I'm also trying to help here as I have the chance. Good thing, there
are people here who are always ready to help, I won't tell the names but I
enjoy reading their messages and sometimes learn something here and there.
You know, I very much prefer PSP and Fireworks newsgroups compared to
Photoshop one. I was rather active in the latter for years until the noise
increased (many posts which deserved nothing more than RTFM kind of reply)
and I felt an increasing snobbisn, you know, "I afforded Photoshop so I'm a
pro!" kind, while, taking into account those "pro's" questions, I can easily
beat them with cheaper PSP or free GIMP or anything else that paints digits
;-) Somehow many people stopped to learn and think at PS NG, while this one
seem to be quite "alive" - something I wish it to remain in the future.

So, thanks again to everybody who's always ready to give a helpful hand here
and let me go back to plugins after using my coffey break for writing such a
long offtopic message ;-)))

Ilyich.
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Porter

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"Ilya Razmanov" <ily...@cacr.ioc.ac.ru> wrote in message
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As a longtime off/on lurker in the PS group; your comments strike
me as right on the money. Of course there are informed and
generous people (yourself included) who still populate the group,
but the flavors in that air have long felt tinted elitist &
competitive. Even more so, of late.

I actually first began using graphic software as a knee-jerk
reaction to those very attitudes, because I resided on the other
side of the fence, as their paying customer. One who paid dearly
through the nose (okay, gloves off - they bled me:) for lots of
less than professional work being delivered by the supposed
"Professionals". It wasn't funny back when I was at their
mercy - but nowdays, I frequently smile at the arrogance and
smugness accompanying many of those "professional" conversations.
Simply buying or bootlegging a copy of PS cannot offer anyone
instant professional status; though it certainly does seem to
feed lots and lots of hungry egos. <smile>

> So, thanks again to everybody who's always ready to give a
helpful hand here
> and let me go back to plugins after using my coffey break for
writing such a
> long offtopic message ;-)))

Hearing that a potential future PSP-compatible plugin "might" be
cooking in the back of your brain seems pretty darned on-topic to
my sensibilities. Also, probably delightful news to all the
filter hawks & junkies who populate this group. But hey Ilya, no
pressure. :) :)

Porter

> Ilyich.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------

Ilya Razmanov

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"Porter" <camp...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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>
> Hearing that a potential future PSP-compatible plugin "might" be
> cooking in the back of your brain seems pretty darned on-topic to
> my sensibilities. Also, probably delightful news to all the
> filter hawks & junkies who populate this group. But hey Ilya, no
> pressure. :) :)
>
> Porter
>

Huh, unfortunately it doesn't do exactly what I want... you know, there's a
difference between realizing math idea as a program and getting the nice
image effect ;-) For now, it looks basically like Photoshop's "Dry Brush",
not as I'd like it to look... to judge by yourself, you may take a look at a
couple of test images:

http://photoshop.msk.ru/wetj.jpg

http://photoshop.msk.ru/weti.jpg

(images size between 9 and 12 Kb); it's not a watercolor effect IMHO...

Still, I don't see such an effect in PSP (right? did I miss anything?) so
perharps it makes some sence developing it...

Ilyich.
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it must be your fault."
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>Subject: Re: Watercolor effect
>From: "Ilya Razmanov" ily...@cacr.ioc.ac.ru
>Date: 08/01/2001 5:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9k8shc$5mh$1...@netserv1.free.net>

>
>
>"Porter" <camp...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
>news:hRz97.47489$135.9...@typhoon.we.rr.com...
>>
>> Hearing that a potential future PSP-compatible plugin "might" be
>> cooking in the back of your brain seems pretty darned on-topic to
>> my sensibilities. Also, probably delightful news to all the
>> filter hawks & junkies who populate this group. But hey Ilya, no
>> pressure. :) :)
>>
>> Porter
>>
>
>Huh, unfortunately it doesn't do exactly what I want... you know, there's a
>difference between realizing math idea as a program and getting the nice
>image effect ;-) For now, it looks basically like Photoshop's "Dry Brush",
>not as I'd like it to look... to judge by yourself, you may take a look at a
>couple of test images:
>
>http://photoshop.msk.ru/wetj.jpg
>
>http://photoshop.msk.ru/weti.jpg
>
>(images size between 9 and 12 Kb); it's not a watercolor effect IMHO...
>
>Still, I don't see such an effect in PSP (right? did I miss anything?) so
>perharps it makes some sence developing it...
>

Hi Ilyich,

I'm most likely the wrong person to reply here. Perhaps a watercolor
hawk/junkie can comment? My own filter usage comes nowhere even close to their
consumption levels. :) I generally use an assortment of native features in
concert with blend modes to create watercoloring effects.

Regards,
Porter

My cable is completely down, hence the different address.

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2001 16:26:06 +0400, "Ilya Razmanov"
>Huh, unfortunately it doesn't do exactly what I want... you know, there's a
>difference between realizing math idea as a program and getting the nice
>image effect ;-) For now, it looks basically like Photoshop's "Dry Brush",
>not as I'd like it to look... to judge by yourself, you may take a look at a
>couple of test images:
>
>http://photoshop.msk.ru/wetj.jpg
>
>http://photoshop.msk.ru/weti.jpg

This one is getting close.

http://photoshop.msk.ru/weti.jpg

The tree trunk looks good, and the background, which I assume was
blurred in the original (depth-of-field setting) is okay. How about
trying it on non-portraits?

co

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Aug 1, 2001, 11:55:13 AM8/1/01
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I've thinking about this a little more, and I think one of the
problems is that water color painting is sort of blocky/blotchy in its
nature, and something like a tree trunk is easier to work with because
it contains natural boundaries of colors; whereas, a person's skin
does not.

You need to find the contours in the skin, perhaps artificially
emphasizing them.

co

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Ilya Razmanov

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Thanks for a suggestion. Perharps the main problem with understanding the
effect is that real painters do it in some non-mathematical way ;-)))

Ilyich.
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But I only paid $49.95 for PSP7 - that's with the manual!

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:01:35 +0400, "Ilya Razmanov"
<ily...@cacr.ioc.ac.ru> wrote:


>Thanks for a suggestion. Perharps the main problem with understanding the
>effect is that real painters do it in some non-mathematical way ;-)))
>

Ilych,

I certainly can't be described as a real painter.

This is the result of some years of experimentation with various
versions of PSP, trying to develop techniques for turning photos into
water colors, pencil sketches, and cartoons.

Unfortunately, the approach that I find producing the best results
relies on a commercial plug-in, namely the "Intensity Mapped to
Gradient" filter in Filter Factory, which makes it not as accessible
to everyone.


co

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Ilya Razmanov

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>
> Ilych,
>
> I certainly can't be described as a real painter.
>
> This is the result of some years of experimentation with various
> versions of PSP, trying to develop techniques for turning photos into
> water colors, pencil sketches, and cartoons.
>
> Unfortunately, the approach that I find producing the best results
> relies on a commercial plug-in, namely the "Intensity Mapped to
> Gradient" filter in Filter Factory, which makes it not as accessible
> to everyone.
>

Huh? Someone dare to sell plugin created in FF? ;-) Where did you find it? A
download link? An example image? Google gives me nothing. I can understand
what "Gradient Mapped to Intensity" could probably mean but the opposite...

Ilyich.
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:35:09 +0400, "Ilya Razmanov"
<ily...@cacr.ioc.ac.ru> wrote:

>
><baseb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:3b694a61.3872784@news...
>>
>> Ilych,
>>
>> I certainly can't be described as a real painter.
>>
>> This is the result of some years of experimentation with various
>> versions of PSP, trying to develop techniques for turning photos into
>> water colors, pencil sketches, and cartoons.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the approach that I find producing the best results
>> relies on a commercial plug-in, namely the "Intensity Mapped to
>> Gradient" filter in Filter Factory, which makes it not as accessible
>> to everyone.
>>
>
>Huh? Someone dare to sell plugin created in FF? ;-) Where did you find it? A
>download link? An example image? Google gives me nothing. I can understand
>what "Gradient Mapped to Intensity" could probably mean but the opposite...

Ilych,

Sorry, that was my carelessness. I meant to write Filters Unlimited.
Sometimes, the fingers and the mind are on different hands.

If you don't have that program and want to discuss it, drop me a line
at the address below. Filters Unlimited has an Editor function so the
coding for its filters is readily available.

Again, I'm sorry I sent you on a wild goose chase.
co

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Nightingail

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>
> Unfortunately, the approach that I find producing the best results
> relies on a commercial plug-in, namely the "Intensity Mapped to
> Gradient" filter in Filter Factory, which makes it not as accessible
> to everyone.

I'd be really interested in hearing how you use Gradient Mapped to
Intensity for your watercolor effect. I have Filters Unlimited and have
always been intrigued by that particular effect, but haven't used it
much.

Thanks,
Gail
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> I'd be really interested in hearing how you use Gradient Mapped to
> Intensity for your watercolor effect. > --

Err.. make that.."Intensity Mapped to Gradient".. I broke one of my
personal ng rules a few minutes ago i.e. "Never post before having at
least one cup of coffee.."

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