Fixative
Carol and Allen Bredt
printer. Should I should use a fizative spray to keep them from fading, etc?
Is there a brand you recommend?
Thanks, Carol
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Ember
<abr...@Xsocal.rr.com> wrote:
>I am framing some photos that I printed on HP glossy photo paper using my HP
>printer. Should I should use a fizative spray to keep them from fading, etc?
>
>Is there a brand you recommend?
>
>Thanks, Carol
I use Krylon #41303 "Crystal Clear"
Despite the name it will give glossy photos a flattish finish.
I use it, but not all the time, just to prevent water making the dye
run - it doesn't have any UV resistance to reduce fading. It's also a
handy product to have around for waterproofing documents or maps you
might use outside.
Ember.
Fugitive
<abr...@Xsocal.rr.com> wrote:
>I am framing some photos that I printed on HP glossy photo paper using my HP
>printer. Should I should use a fizative spray to keep them from fading, etc?
>
>Is there a brand you recommend?
>
>Thanks, Carol
I running an 810 Deskjet, which is in the 720 family. There is no
lasting ink for these printers. I don't know, offhand, which HP unit
is, if any. It takes a bit of study, but in these low line models,
fogetaboutit.
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Jerry Rivers
great. Right now I have a 3-4 year-old 1220C wide-carriage printer. I've
printed some pretty darn nice car pictures in up to 13" x 19" sizes
(collecting car pictures is my hobby, as you probably know).
Anyway, notwithstanding the PSP 8 print problems I've had (which,
thankfully, finally got fixed with 8.1!), the ONLY thing I hate about HP ink
jets is that DAMN water soluable ink that HP insists on using.
HP's rationale (at least in the past, I've called to ask/complain!) is that
they can get superior results with water-based rather than solvent-based
inks. OK, fine. But the blasted printed pictures can be permanently damaged
by something as little as a fingerprint! (which shows up in a day or so
looking like an FBI fingerprint ink blot). Must less what happens if you are
so stupid as to get a small water droplet on a picture!
I was about to buy an HP 4-in-1 printer-copier-scanner-FAX job and called
Sales, then Tech Support to ask about the ink. I wanted a printer with
permanent ink. Both Sales and Tech Support THOUGHT that the ink was
permanent, but could NOT verify/prove it!
Everybody else can get good results with solvent-based inks, why not HP? I
know from looking at prints from a friend's Epson wide-carriage printer that
Epson results are better than my 1220C. But my friend's Epson regularly
takes 90 minutes or longer to print a big picture. I can do it in 8-12
minutes (I always use "normal", never use "best"). So, for now, I am still a
big HP fan.
So, back to this thread and your reply.
I never gave any thoughts to using an art-work fixative. That's a darn fine
idea! Now that I think about it, artists have been using this stuff for
years to protect water color and pastel art work.
Now for the "64,000" question: do you (or anyone out there) know of a
fixative which dries glossy? For all of the obvious reasons, I REALLY like
the look of HP Premium Glossy Paper (although the purists who print
portraits of people whould say to use the matte finish stuff). So, if I did
spray on a fixative, I wouldn't want it to destroy my pretty, glossy image.
Thanks for your help.
-- Jerry Rivers
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Xalinai
<jerry...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Ember, I've been using HP ink jet printers for years. Loved 'em all. Worked
>great. Right now I have a 3-4 year-old 1220C wide-carriage printer. I've
>printed some pretty darn nice car pictures in up to 13" x 19" sizes
>(collecting car pictures is my hobby, as you probably know).
>
>Anyway, notwithstanding the PSP 8 print problems I've had (which,
>thankfully, finally got fixed with 8.1!), the ONLY thing I hate about HP ink
>jets is that DAMN water soluable ink that HP insists on using.
You can have water resistant ink for HP printers if you buy printers
with width specification in feet instead of inches...
AFAIK there is no printer (HP, Epson, Lexmark, Canon) in the SOHO
range that uses water proof ink.
>Everybody else can get good results with solvent-based inks, why not HP?
Who everybody?
> I
>know from looking at prints from a friend's Epson wide-carriage printer that
>Epson results are better than my 1220C. But my friend's Epson regularly
>takes 90 minutes or longer to print a big picture. I can do it in 8-12
>minutes (I always use "normal", never use "best"). So, for now, I am still a
>big HP fan.
Do you compare the printout of an Epson 6 ink photo printer to the
output of your 4 ink document printer? It should look worse -
otherwise your friend should trash the Epson :-)
I found that in four ink mode even the new 75xx series does not give
better results than the 1220c/97x series. In six ink mode there is a
visible difference - but also in my wallet.
>So, back to this thread and your reply.
>
>I never gave any thoughts to using an art-work fixative. That's a darn fine
>idea! Now that I think about it, artists have been using this stuff for
>years to protect water color and pastel art work.
>
>Now for the "64,000" question: do you (or anyone out there) know of a
>fixative which dries glossy?
There are different types of fiaxtive with different surface
specifications - but I don't know what is sold near you. The bad news
for friends of glossy paper is that none of them reaches the gloss of
photo paper and that all glossy types require a lot more spray than
the matte ones.
Michael
Ember
<jerry...@comcast.net> wrote:
I have a top of the line Lexmark printer (I think Z65 is top for the
home market). Before I recently bought it I checked their cartridges
and found they had 2 model lines and the Z65 was one of 2 machines
with the "better" cartridge. I was hoping it would be waterproof but
no such luck. The better one can produce 2 micron droplets so that's
the difference it seems. I haven't used the first one up; I don't
know what the cartridge refill joint uses but I guess that will not be
waterproof either.
I don't know of any art type spray that is glossy. I guess that's
because artwork is never glossy.
You could experiment with a spray can of clear urethane finish. I
tried Varathane brand "Crystal Clear Waterborne Diamond Wood Finish -
Outdoor." I bought the satin finish as I like that better than glossy.
But I found it was difficult to get a blob-free coating. There was
always usually one little piece sticking up on each photo. Maybe if I
had applied the spray on a vertical surface that would have helped.
But Varathane also sell a glossy finish and that's the one you want to
try. All the outdoor products contain a UV inhibitor so that should
help in slowing fading.
Do have a hair dryer at hand. Then a second coat can be added soon
after. This applies both to the Krylon and Varathane but mainly to the
varathane. The Varathane is a messier (as in outdoor) operation than
the Krylon, which is easy to work with. Good luck!
Ember
Gary Barton
"Xalinai" <xalin...@xalinai.de> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:27:59 -0400, "Jerry Rivers"
> AFAIK there is no printer (HP, Epson, Lexmark, Canon) in the SOHO
> range that uses water proof ink.
Epson printers C84 and C64 use DuraBrite inks which are supposedly highly
water resistant. Can't say anything about the quality though since I've
never seen any output from one.
-Gary
"The EPSON Stylus C84 utilizes the newest and most advanced formula of
DuraBrite inks yet for brighter, more saturated colors and is designed to
produce impressive looking, durable output that is water-resistant,
light-resistant and smudge-resistant. Because DuraBrite inks are
pigment-based inks, output from DuraBrite inks can be submerged in water
without the ink coming off the page, unlike dye-based inks, which typically
run and smudge. This feature is designed to give creators of photographs,
fliers, menus, signs, postcards and any other printed output the ability to
produce documents and images that will withstand damage caused by
moisture-based threats such as rain, spills, humidity or people with wet
hands.
DuraBrite inks also have a light-resistance rating of up to 80 years on
certain specialty media and an unmatched 70-year rating on plain paper,
making it possible to safely place prints in areas where light would
normally cause images to fade quickly. Bleed-through is reduced since
DuraBrite inks rest on the surface of the paper, which is ideal for
applications that require double-sided printing."
Xalinai
<g...@xxcutouttosendxxearthling.net> wrote:
>
>"Xalinai" <xalin...@xalinai.de> wrote in message
>news:3f8bc968....@news.t-online.de...
>> On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 04:27:59 -0400, "Jerry Rivers"
>
>> AFAIK there is no printer (HP, Epson, Lexmark, Canon) in the SOHO
>> range that uses water proof ink.
>
>Epson printers C84 and C64 use DuraBrite inks which are supposedly highly
>water resistant. Can't say anything about the quality though since I've
>never seen any output from one.
Fine to see those two printers. They both are pretty new (introduced
less than three months ago here).
I'll look forward for test results.
Michael
Fugitive
<abr...@Xsocal.rr.com> wrote:
>I am framing some photos that I printed on HP glossy photo paper using my HP
>printer. Should I should use a fizative spray to keep them from fading, etc?
>
>Is there a brand you recommend?
>
>Thanks, Carol
Here's one with a UV protectant.
http://www.einks.net/print_guard.html
Carol and Allen Bredt
Ember,
Thanks for the info. I went to Michael's and they had 1303 so I tried it and
LOVE the results.
Carol