Art Media vs. Corel Painter
Matthew Hale
to clear up an argument from another post but also just because I would like
to see what people think. I have never used Corel Painter so I would like
to know how it compares to PSP9's new art media features. Also, does anyone
think that there may be an update to PSP9 that would add more features to
art media such as more painting and drawing tools? I don't have a
digitizing tablet so it's kind of hard to use art media with the mouse but
it's something I would like to get into.
Sceadu
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Painter wins, hands down.
No surprise... from version 1, Painter was _designed_ around the concept of
simulating real media. That's what it's for.
Sceadu
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Matthew Hale
the program is very impressive. I would like to know why it doesn't support
the psp file format.
"Matthew Hale" <webm...@hopefortomorrowmusic.com> wrote in message
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Sceadu
> In addition to my first post, i was looking at Corel Painter's website
> and
> the program is very impressive. I would like to know why it doesn't
> support
> the psp file format.
Well, Corel only bought Jasc last month. They said they _might_ add Jasc
file support to their other software later.
In the meantime, using PSD format between the two conserves most layers and
masks, and you can use TIF or PNG if you want a non-proprietary format.
Matthew Hale
just drop it eventually? It seems like PSP and various Corel programs
overlap one another quite a bit.
"Sceadu" <aeona...@NOhotmailANNOYINGSPAM.com> wrote in message
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Sceadu
> So what is the future for PSP? Will there be future versions or will
> they just drop it eventually? It seems like PSP and various Corel
> programs overlap one another quite a bit.
First... please post at the bottom of the quoted stuff -_-; Top-posting is
hard to follow.
If you read Corel's and Jasc's press releases, they state that PSP will
continue to be developed and supported. Corel will provide Jasc with some
of their R&D resources. Corel sees PSP as aimed at a different market than
their own CorelDRAW suite, which costs about $500.
Which is why they only _might_ add PSPfile support to Painter; Painter is
still considered a "professional" productivity program, so they'd probably
expect you to buy the "professional" CorelDRAW to go with it. But since
Painter is in a lower price range than CorelDRAW already and there are
hobbyists who paint, I'm hoping they'll decide to add support for the
"hobby-grade" PSP.
Matthew Hale
"Sceadu" <aeona...@NOhotmailANNOYINGSPAM.com> wrote in message
> "Matthew Hale" <webm...@hopefortomorrowmusic.com> wrote in message
> news:udZhd.289726$wV.207580@attbi_s54...
> > So what is the future for PSP? Will there be future versions or will
> > they just drop it eventually? It seems like PSP and various Corel
> > programs overlap one another quite a bit.
>
> First... please post at the bottom of the quoted stuff -_-; Top-posting is
> hard to follow.
>
> If you read Corel's and Jasc's press releases, they state that PSP will
> continue to be developed and supported. Corel will provide Jasc with some
> of their R&D resources. Corel sees PSP as aimed at a different market than
> their own CorelDRAW suite, which costs about $500.
>
> Which is why they only _might_ add PSPfile support to Painter; Painter is
> still considered a "professional" productivity program, so they'd probably
> expect you to buy the "professional" CorelDRAW to go with it. But since
> Painter is in a lower price range than CorelDRAW already and there are
> hobbyists who paint, I'm hoping they'll decide to add support for the
> "hobby-grade" PSP.
>
> Sceadu
>
>
about the "professional" vs. "hobby-grade" software, i would think there are
a lot of people out there like me that are wanting to use these programs
that are hobbyists. I mean even if I do some work on a real project for
someone, I'm not getting paid for it. So no matter how much stuff I end up
doing I will probably never buy the more expensive programs. There are a
lot of things I would rather crap out $500 for. So like you said, I really
hope they add PSP support to painter.
Kris Zaklika
[snip]
> Corel sees PSP as aimed at a different market than
> their own CorelDRAW suite, which costs about $500.
Actually, the full boxed version of CorelDRAW Graphics Suite 12
is $399. The downloadable version is $359. The upgrades are
respectively $179 and $154.
[snip]
Matthew Hale
"Kris Zaklika" <kzak...@corel.com> wrote in message
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Well thats a little more reasonable but I can still upgrade to PSP9 for less
than $50. So CorelDRAW should be at least 3 times better to be worth that
price.
Kris Zaklika
Your logic is faulty. A semi truck is more expensive than
a family car. That does not make it better than a family
car (or worse). It makes it different and the higher price
is worth it when the truck is useful, e.g. when you need to
haul large loads. Price is in relation to the value a
product adds in fulfilling a need. If you were a professional
illustrator working with vector tools the price of CorelDRAW
would be nothing to you, easily recouped in the first sale
you make. For what you do, that product is probably overkill.
Matthew Hale
Comparing PSP9 to CorelDRAW is not the same as comparing a car to a semi
truck. It's more like comparing a Buick to a Cadillac. Both are very
similar nice cars but one is better. Comparing a car to a semi would be
like comparing PSP9 to Microsoft Office because like you said, their
different, not really better or worse. PSP9 and CorelDRAW are both graphics
programs and therefore the one with the higher price should be better, which
I have no doubt that it is. But 3 time better? I find that hard to believe.
As far as which one has the wrong price, I don't know. Maybe PSP9 is worth
more than it costs.
Uni
PSP-9 is a general purpose application. It has no qualifying strong
points. For example, it can do vectors, but certainly not as well as
Adobe Illustrator. It can do photo editing, too, but no where near as
well as Adobe Photoshop. If you can live with that, fine, use it.
Uni
Uni
Oh, and Matthew, as you read this group, you'll see I was kind helping
Linea with her mysterious JPEG file format. But then the PSP attack
dogs, Trev and Antonio, had to put in their snide comments.
Uni
Matthew Hale
"Uni" <no.e...@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
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Have you even tried PSP9 uni? I thought it wasn't worth your time. It's
actually quite good. Also your sounding a lot like Kris. You can't compare
PSP9 vector to Adobe Illustrator, just like you can't compare PSP9 art media
to Corel Painter which is what this whole thing started as. However I do
believe you can compare PSP9 as a whole to Adobe Photoshop and CorelDRAW
because they all have a mix of everything. And yes I agree that CorelDRAW
and Photoshop are better (mostly because of options and features, not
quality), but still no one has explained how they are worth such a higher
price.
Matthew Hale
"Uni" <no.e...@no.email.invalid> wrote in message
As far as I can tell you havn't solved her problem yet so you better wait
and see how it all turns out before you get a big head.
Uni
True, I haven't, but I WAS THE FIRST to recommend reading the file with
a HEX viewer. It just goes to show you how unintelligent PSP supporters are.
Uni
Uni
Why should I? For all I know, Corel Corporation MAY drop PSP. If so,
where will your support come from tomorrow?
Abd why didn't the CEO's, from Jasc, tell their customers why Jasc was
being sold? Embarrassed, I guess.
Jasc, at one time, was a decent company. However, in the last few years,
major changes happened there, one being the hiring of Mr. Kris Z.. He
THOUGHT with his math skills, he could turn PSP into a hot and heavy
Photoshop competitor. However, he failed, and Jasc is now owned by Corel
Corporation, thanks to Kris.
Remember, what Uni believes: If you need a strong mind in graphics,
don't hire a chemical engineer.
Uni
Uni
Also, I've caught Kris in one or more lies. Like, he CLAIMED, PSP-7
couldn't include EXIF support, because there was no English version of
the standard, only Japanese, when PSP-7 was written. However, I
magically found the standard, in English, dated 1995, a few years before
PSP-7 came to life. It is obvious it existed, since everyone else
supported EXIF, even freeware authors.
Uni
Brendan R. Wehrung
Uni (no.e...@no.email.invalid) writes:
>
> PSP-9 is a general purpose application. It has no qualifying strong
> points. For example, it can do vectors, but certainly not as well as
> Adobe Illustrator. It can do photo editing, too, but no where near as
> well as Adobe Photoshop. If you can live with that, fine, use it.
>
> Uni
>
And which trade are you a master of, Uni? There's nothing wrong with
"general purpose" for most people. Good of you to finally admit that.
Took a while.
Brendan
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Xalinai
If you compare PSP to corel*DRAW* you compare a mainly raster oriented
image editor to a vector oriented drawing and layout tool. The result
will be as bad as comparing Photoshop to Corel Draw while being focused
on layout - it's still apples vs. pears.
Compare PSP to Corel PhotoPaint - the image editor from the Corel suite
- and results will be different. Here you have two apps that play in
the same league.
Michael
Matthew Hale
"Xalinai" <xali...@xalinai.de> wrote in message
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As I have not really used CorelDRAW, I didn't realize that it was mainly a
vector program. I still think you can compare PSP9 to Photoshop. And I
also think that the vector aspect of PSP9 is pretty good. I still am
sticking to my original argument that PSP9 is an amazing program for a great
price and that programs like Photoshop and CorelDRAW aren't enough better
for what they cost. I still agree that the more expensive programs are
better but they only get away with charging as much as they do because so
many people have to have them. And to get back to the original point of
this topic, I think that there is no reason why CorelPainter shouldn't add
support for the PSP file format.
Uni
> Uni (no.e...@no.email.invalid) writes:
>
>>PSP-9 is a general purpose application. It has no qualifying strong
>>points. For example, it can do vectors, but certainly not as well as
>>Adobe Illustrator. It can do photo editing, too, but no where near as
>>well as Adobe Photoshop. If you can live with that, fine, use it.
>>
>>Uni
>>
>
>
>
> And which trade are you a master of, Uni? There's nothing wrong with
> "general purpose" for most people.
Obviously, not for you, since I found you participating in a Corel
newsgroup.
Uni
Xalinai
The main benefit of PS compared to PSP9 is the support for prepress
(better CMYK support, spot-colors, Pantone matching) and the handling
of really huge projects via application controlled swapping. Both it
not relevant when working for the web or private/home use.
Many companies use PS simply because their employees once learned it
and are used to it - even if upgrade prices are horrible, re-learning
your trade with a different tool is more so.
The price argument is neglectable if the only way you can perform a
task is to use a certain tool but for those who only use things where
PSP and PS functionally overlap, PSP would be the better choice.
And those who aren't biased against "cheap" software and need PS
functions will most probably have their copy of PSP too - a lot of
things are a lot easier and there are some goodies you will like a lot
over time for the price of a PS plugin or a set of fonts.
Regarding CorelDraw: This is another program that is capable of >90% of
all jobs done in Adobe Illustrator and InDesign if you learned how to
handle it (mostly with regard to stability) and since the advent of PDF
as a standard transfer-to-the-printshop format there is a lot ess
complaint about "exotic" files as many print shops don't even notice
the origin of the PDF.
Michael
Matthew Hale
Who in the world buys fonts? I have over 20,000 free fonts and counting.
Thats more choices than I'll ever need. Anyway, I think I agree with you on
everything. Well done.
Uni
Nonsense. Companies use Photoshop because they know Adobe will be around
tomorrow to support and update it, unlike some companies that vanish
after being sold off, due to financial difficulties.
Uni
Xalinai
If you use fonts in a commercial environment you'd rather buy the fonts
you use - it is a question of quality and, well,intellectual property
rights.
There are many "free" fonts that differ from commercial fonts only in
the copyright notice :-) and when you work in an environment that
doesn't use basic letters and numbers only but things like accents,
trema, german umlauts (äöü) you better go for full fledged professional
versions ("Can't we change those words into English - I don't have the
characters needed for the German word...").
Michael