Flood Filling an Object
W. eWatson
stumped at my inability to flood fill a simple object like a rectangle.
I create a new image with a white background and in 16.7M colors. The
flood fill icon is clearly accessible, so I use the preset tool to draw
a rectangle. Flood fill is no longer accessible. How can I fill the
rectangle?
Trev
"W. eWatson" <wolft...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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If you used the preset shapes tool you created a Vector object. A Vector
object can have a outline called a stroke that's the upper left swatch
colour and it can have a fill the lower right swatch. To change the fill
expand the layer in the layers pallet Right click the shape and chose
properties. Here you can change colours and the line width of the stroke.
Alternatively you could have used a rectangle selection and as that is
Raster you can flood fill it.
W. eWatson
make a raster rectangle drawing? I just discovered that if I merge the
vector rectangle into the layer, then I can flood fill it. That seems a
bit awkward, but it works.
Trev
> Trev wrote:
>>
>> "W. eWatson" <wolft...@invalid.com> wrote in message
>> news:he19fq$47d$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>>> I use PSP Pro 7 infrequently. I thought I'd exercise it again and am
>>> stumped at my inability to flood fill a simple object like a rectangle.
>>>
>>> I create a new image with a white background and in 16.7M colors. The
>>> flood fill icon is clearly accessible, so I use the preset tool to draw
>>> a rectangle. Flood fill is no longer accessible. How can I fill the
>>> rectangle?
>>
>> If you used the preset shapes tool you created a Vector object. A Vector
>> object can have a outline called a stroke that's the upper left swatch
>> colour and it can have a fill the lower right swatch. To change the fill
>> expand the layer in the layers pallet Right click the shape and chose
>> properties. Here you can change colours and the line width of the stroke.
>> Alternatively you could have used a rectangle selection and as that is
>> Raster you can flood fill it.
> Ah, a vector. But they can't be filled as I understand it.
Yes they can Read my Answer
How does one
> make a raster rectangle drawing?
Again I did explain. You make a rectangular selection. You can also make a
selection from a Vector Object. In this case you need only the filled
object.
W. eWatson
The layer is white. The Flood Fill is not available, so if I make a From
Vector Object selection, it puts a grabber border (marquee) around the
rectangle. The Fill is still unavailable. I'm using the Selection on the
top bar next to Objects. From Help, I find:
This command makes a raster copy of the vector selection. It creates a
marquee from the outlines of the vector selection.
To create a raster selection, right-click the selection and choose
Create Raster Selection. You can also convert a vector selection into a
raster selection by choosing Selections > From Vector Object.
If I right-click produces a list with no choice for convert to raster.
Only four items in the menu are not greyed out. Cut, Paste, Copy Merged,
and Change Grid. As far as I can tell there is no Create Raster
Selection. How does a raster layer differ from a raster selection? I
suppose if one creates an object on a raster, then it can be selected.
However, there seems no way to draw (e.g., a square) directly onto a
raster layer.
With Paste I was able to create another layer image. It seems to me
Merge (Flatten) is a lot faster way to get to a fill in this case.
Vixen of Verbiage
W. eWatson
on the Tool Palette near the top. Further down is the one for vectors.
Flood Fill works fine with a raster object, rectangle in the case I just
tried.
Trev
> Ah, ha. There are raster and vector draw tools. The one for rasters is on
> the Tool Palette near the top. Further down is the one for vectors. Flood
> Fill works fine with a raster object, rectangle in the case I just tried.
If you look at the tool options for the vector preset shape You should see a
Check box for Retain Style. The standard shapes are black outline with a
white fill. If you uncheck the retain style the outline colour is the left
swatch colour and the fill is the right swatch colour If you which one of
those to be uncoloured you Chose the Null icon as in no entry. Otherwise you
can have a colour a Gradient or even a pattern as the fill or stroke when
you drag out a shape.
Trev
Because you don't flood fill a vector object you change Its properties to
the colour you want. Not it will be Black outline with a white fill but as
it on a white background you think it has no fill.
so if I make a From Vector Object selection,
There is a danger here that you don't get what you think you would get,
Unless you altered the properties to make the outline, Correct name for
which is Stroke, Null. Then you finish with just a selection of the thin
line.
it puts a grabber border (marquee) around the
> rectangle. The Fill is still unavailable. I'm using the Selection on the
> top bar next to Objects. From Help, I find:
>
> This command makes a raster copy of the vector selection. It creates a
> marquee from the outlines of the vector selection.
> To create a raster selection, right-click the selection and choose Create
> Raster Selection. You can also convert a vector selection into a raster
> selection by choosing Selections > From Vector Object.
>
> If I right-click produces a list with no choice for convert to raster.
> Only four items in the menu are not greyed out. Cut, Paste, Copy Merged,
> and Change Grid. As far as I can tell there is no Create Raster Selection.
> How does a raster layer differ from a raster selection? I suppose if one
> creates an object on a raster, then it can be selected. However, there
> seems no way to draw (e.g., a square) directly onto a raster layer.
A layer can be raster meaning its made from pixels Or Vector meaning that
its only a set of instructions as to how to draw,. For our benefit these
instruction are displayed as Raster colour But aren't saved as such.
On a raster layer if you drag out a Rectangular selection You will have a
empty space surrounded by the marquee or commonly called Marching ants. If
you the change to the flood tool or even a brush you can paint inside that
selection but only inside, If you brush goes of the ant it will stop
painting. That's the purpose of a selection. To limit an effect to only that
which is selected.
W. eWatson
for drawing is a bit odd. Selection is for drawing on raster, and Preset
tools for vectors.
You mentioned Selection a tight boundary, so that one cannot draw
outside it. I would think it's natural not to draw outside it. In fact,
I'm not sure what that all means. As a word, Selection conveys nothing
by the idea of selecting an object. Then there's Selection on the main
menu, which apparently does just that, selects an object. These two uses
of select seem at odds with one another.
It seems as though the Selection tool should be called raster draw tool,
and the Preset tool vector draw tool.
I have no idea what From Vector Selection Object means. The manual does
not do it justice. This Help doesn't work for me:
This command makes a raster copy of the vector selection. It creates a
marquee from the outlines of the vector selection.
To create a raster selection, right-click the selection and choose
Create Raster Selection. You can also convert a vector selection into a
raster selection by choosing Selections > From Vector Object.
I can get a marquee, but that's it.
Rick
> I understand raster and vector pretty well, but they way they are used
> for drawing is a bit odd. Selection is for drawing on raster, and
> Preset tools for vectors.
I tend to disagree. Selections are merely a way of identifying a
particular area of the image, rather than the entire image itself. It has
nothing to do with raster or vector per se. And the Preset Shapes tool
may be used to create either raster OR vector shapes. Once the Preset
Shapes tool is selected, go to the Tool Options palette (Press the O
(letter) key if it is not visible). On that palette is a checkbox for
"Create as vector". When checked, the shape you create will be in vector
format. If unchecked, it will be created in Raster format.
In addition, there is a "Retain Style" checkbox. When checked, the shape
created will appear the same way as the example shown in the shape
selector window on the palette. If unchecked, the basic shape will still
be created, but it will use the line width/style set in the Tool Options
palette, the fill color as the currently selected background color in the
color palette, and the stroke color as the currently selected foreground
color in the color palette.
> It seems as though the Selection tool should be called raster draw
> tool, and the Preset tool vector draw tool.
There seems to be some confusion here. Selection in and of itself has
nothing to do with raster or vector. It is independent of those two terms
and can be used to identify areas of the image that contain either or
both types of images. There are various ways in which a selection may be
created, added to, or subtracted from, as well as some minor differences
in the mechanics of how one "selects" raster material or vector material.
The end result is the same however. You are merely identifying an area
within the image that you wish to work with. What you do with that area
or within that area will depend on the specific task you are trying to
achieve.
Similarly, the Preset Shaped tool is not limited to vector shapes. It
can just as easily create raster shapes, depending on how you have it
configured in the Tool options palette.
> I have no idea what From Vector Selection Object means. The manual
> does not do it justice. This Help doesn't work for me:
It is merely a way of creating a selection which encompasses the outer
edges of the currently selected vector object. What you do with that
selected area is then up to you.
> This command makes a raster copy of the vector selection. It creates a
> marquee from the outlines of the vector selection. To create a raster
> selection, right-click the selection and choose Create Raster
> Selection. You can also convert a vector selection into a raster
> selection by choosing Selections > From Vector Object.
>
> I can get a marquee, but that's it.
OK... you have the marquee identifying the area you wish to work with.
Now what do you want to do with it? Make a raster image from just that
selection? Simple. Go to Edit:Copy, then Edit:Paste as New Image. Want to
create a raster version of the vector object on a separate layer of its
own (vector and raster objects cannot share the same layer)? Easy. Simply
use Edit:Copy and Edit:Paste as New Layer. Either way, it gives you a
raster version of the original vector shape which can then be modified by
the full range of raster tools (the Effects tools for instance), unlike
the original vector object.
Or perhaps you just want to work directly with the selection? Since you
are probably on a vector layer, you will probably need to go to Layer:New
Raster Layer. Your seleection is still active but you are now on a raster
layer where your Flood Fill tool will work. Select the
color/gradient/pattern/texture you want to work with in the color
palette, set the Match Mode to None in the Tool options palette, and
click inside the selection. You will find the entire selection filled
with your desired color/pattern/texture.
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W. eWatson
helpful.
The manual, IMHO, is quite vague on a lot of concepts, and falls short
on meaningful examples. It does document the features and operations
well. The few books I've seen on PSP seem determined to treat it like a
car owner's manual, and do not get into the basic usage. They tend to
think of it all as how to modify photographs or do art work. For me, the
appeal would be to draw simple things like rectangles, circles, etc.
and, discuss concepts such as how vector and raster layers and objects
work, with a simple emphasis on drawing to demonstrate that and other
concepts like transparency, masks, etc. One doesn't need to work on
photographs of flowers, people, etc. to do that.
Somehow I manage to know just enough to do the simple things I need.
Sort of leap in and flail away until something works.
Trev
"W. eWatson" <wolft...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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Well it does say Reference book For Vectors,
http://www.pinoy7.com/psptutorials/vectors.shtml
Has some of Ron Laceys PSP 7 Tuts. You may find lots more of interest there
too.
Rick
> The manual, IMHO, is quite vague on a lot of concepts, and falls short
> on meaningful examples. It does document the features and operations
> well. The few books I've seen on PSP seem determined to treat it like
> a car owner's manual, and do not get into the basic usage. They tend
> to think of it all as how to modify photographs or do art work. For
> me, the appeal would be to draw simple things like rectangles,
> circles, etc. and, discuss concepts such as how vector and raster
> layers and objects work, with a simple emphasis on drawing to
> demonstrate that and other concepts like transparency, masks, etc. One
> doesn't need to work on photographs of flowers, people, etc. to do
> that.
From my own perspective, I have to disagree to some extent. The main
PSP7 manual is around 500 pages thick and is one of the best manuals I
have seen to come along with a software package. In order to cover all of
the various facets of the program to a depth which ranges from basic
beginners right on through advanced experts would require several times
as many pages. That is somewhat unreasonable to expect in my opinion.
As far as the emphasis on photographs, there is quite a bit of that
since photographs are one of the main reasons people buy such a program.
For your needs however, I suggest Chapters 8,9,12 & 13 are more
approriate. They cover the raster drawing (painting) tools, color
palette, vector tools and vector objects. In addition, Chapter 3 in the
Getting Started Guide may also be helpful in that it goes into the
various palettes that you will wish to work with. As a suggestion, I
would recommend looking over the Tool Options, Color and Layer palettes
info if you haven't already familiarized yourself with them.
> Somehow I manage to know just enough to do the simple things I need.
> Sort of leap in and flail away until something works.
<<smile>>
That's pretty much the same way most of us had to learn it. While one
can learn basic concepts in formal classes, when it comes to working with
a particular program, the only realistic way is to wade in and do it
yourself! The thing I keep reminding myself and many of my customers is,
"Nobody was born with knowledge of computers (or image editing, or
networking, or... etc). We all had to learn it the same way, from the
beginning!"