Mini-Toot - Far-Out L@@KING Picture Frames in PSP!
Uni
Frames.... BORING!!!!
However, if you want a FAR-OUT looking Picture Frame, try this:
1.) Create a new image and make it 800 x 400 pixels in size.
2.) Add a Picture Frame to it, inside or outside the image.
Presto! You have a FAR-OUT looking Picture Frame with UNEQUAL width
sides!
What's that, NOT UNEQUAL enough? Well, that's simple to FIX! Just create
a 800 x 200 pixel image, add a frame to it, and you'll have a Picture
Frame that's four (4) times wider on two (2) sides than it is on the
other two!!!!!! The possibilities are endless!!!
Simply amazing - brought to you by those "The Power To Create" people,
Jasc!
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
etc. Using those common rations you will have a perfect picture frame if
that is what the frame was made for. Now if the frames are created for image
with different height x width ratios they will work with those ratios. Not
hard to figure out really.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D73E222...@usa.net...
Uni
>
> Or create an image with the same dimensions as your screen 800x600, 640x480
> etc. Using those common rations you will have a perfect picture frame if
> that is what the frame was made for.
No, Joe, the ONLY way to get a "perfect" Picture Frame is to work with a
SQUARE image, such as 640 x 640 pixels. A 640 x 480 pixel image will
yield a 1.333:1 ratio width Picture Frame.
> Now if the frames are created for image
> with different height x width ratios they will work with those ratios. Not
> hard to figure out really.
So, what you're saying is, if I WANT perfection, then DON'T use any of
the Picture Frames included with PSP, but rather, MAKE MY OWN?
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
work with. I only work with screen size image so the can all be scaled to
screen ratios. I didn't even install the frame that came with PSP or for
that matter any framing plug-in out there. They all have to match ratios to
work.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D73F630...@usa.net...
Triumph The Insult Comic Dog
one of the few things in PSP I've never used.
-woof.
"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D73F630...@usa.net...
Uni
>
> Exactly make your own and every frame I've made works on any ration that I
> work with. I only work with screen size image so the can all be scaled to
> screen ratios. I didn't even install the frame that came with PSP or for
> that matter any framing plug-in out there. They all have to match ratios to
> work.
Well, as usual, a two minute search on the 'net and I found an
application which CAN DO Picture Frames correctly. Heck, I can twist,
flip, stretch them and even create my own Picture Frames. Probably some
kid in high school created this application, Joe!!! No wonder why it
works correctly! :-)
Here's my examples:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42670345/49096064pzvogk
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42670345/49096686fiOPNo
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42670345/49097230jQNagc
Hey, can Paint Shop Pro do sparkle? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42670345/49104523JMUyNp
Triumph The Insult Comic Dog
I should bill you for the time I wasted looking at that junk.
Show some initiative, show some creativity..
not some (very poorly done) canned sparkle
effect and lame, useless preset picture frames.
-woof.
"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D7428A4...@usa.net...
Uni
>
> Why not put a little effort in what you do instead of posting that crap..
>
> I should bill you for the time I wasted looking at that junk.
>
> Show some initiative, show some creativity..
> not some (very poorly done) canned sparkle
> effect and lame, useless preset picture frames.
What is it with you, Triumph - The Wonder Puppy? You always come running
after me.
It it this bone of mine you want?
Well, you can't have it, because a couple of nuts are hanging onto it,
for me :-)
Beg, puppy, beg!
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D7428A4...@usa.net...
Joe Cilinceon
Just do a search for sparkle tubes, all of those where made in PSP. By the
way none of this can be done with Photoshop any version.
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Joe Cilinceon
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Uni
>
> Very interesting it is 640x480 the same ratio I made all my frames too.
Yeah, Joe, but YOU had to CREATE YOUR Picture Frames, which is very TIME
CONSUMING and BORING.
This little app DOESN'T CARE how wide or how tall the image is. It will
ALWAYS create a symmetrical Picture Frame.
Maybe Jasc can hire this fantastic programmer to fix their PSP Picture
Frame blunder. However, I think they'll have to pay him with something
other than the typical bananas!!!
Uni
>
> That is tubes, sparkles and frames tools do not exist in Photoshop either.
Joe, we're NOT talking about Photoshop, we are talking about Paint Shop
Pro! Paint Shop Pro CAN'T do sparkles w/o a plug-in, which you PROBABLY
HAVE to purchase. The Gimp does it ALL for FREE!
I can make ANYTHING sparkle, NOT just TEXT!
And furthermore, a lot of these BORING Mini-Tuts that Jackie is DISHING
OUT, can be done in The Gimp, with a touch of a button.
Triumph The Insult Comic Dog
Uni
>
> <comp.graphics.apps.paint-shop-pro , Triumph The Insult Comic Dog ,
> tt...@hotmail.com>
>
> > die, uni, die.
> >
>
> In german .....
>
> the, uni, the .
He tags behind me, wagging his tail, like a good puppy :-)
Uni
>
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Joe Cilinceon
beginning to understand what you want, you looking for computerized talent.
If you are so unhappy with PSP why not move on to Gimp, Photoshop or
whatever else you desire. Not every piece of software will meet all needs.
This is why many of us own several different applications, which you seem to
think is some kind of personality flaw.
Now you are convinced you know it all. So, I am not going to argue it with
you so have a good day.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D74395F...@usa.net...
Uni
>
> Well foolish me, I thought the idea of graphics was to be creative. I now
> beginning to understand what you want, you looking for computerized talent.
LOL!!! If I wanted to be creative, Joe, I'd create images, pixel by
pixel, with Microsoft's Paint!!! If YOU, sir, were so darned PLEASED
with PSP, you wouldn't have so many other applications and tons of
plug-ins!!!!!!! I beginning to believe those painting you made were done
with Painter, NOT Paint Shop Pro!
>
> If you are so unhappy with PSP why not move on to Gimp, Photoshop or
> whatever else you desire. Not every piece of software will meet all needs.
As you have discovered, too. So, why don't YOU move on?
> This is why many of us own several different applications, which you seem to
> think is some kind of personality flaw.
I'm talking about SOFTWARE flaws, Joe!
>
> Now you are convinced you know it all. So, I am not going to argue it with
> you so have a good day.
Fine! Go create a million different Picture Frames to fit every size
image EVER created, and see if I CARE!!!!!
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
for PSP 7, I too don't like many of the things it has/does, but the good
sure out weigh the bad for my needs. I also have a pretty good understanding
of writing code and its costs. PS costs a lot more because there is a lot
more there, though it is hard to see to the average user. PSP at this time
is a good product for a reasonable cost period.
As for other software, with each version of PSP many of those other apps
have come off my machine. Maybe with PSP 8 I'll be completely happy, but I
doubt it. If and when PSP no longer fills a need, it too shall come off of
my system as quickly as any other unused application. I have no particular
loyalty to any company and rarely recommend products. However you won't see
me beating a dead horse about its short comings as I voice them to Jasc
directly and find a work around method.
You are correct that PSP has short comings in many areas, on that we can
agree. Now as for my specifics, not yours, since I don't have your needs.
Frames I've never used them in my work, completely unimportant/useless to
me. I did however make some based on requests I received from other users.
Sparkles are again useless and not a worth while feature like page curl and
frames to me. I rarely do photo editing so I also don't need the majority of
the photo editing tools in PSP 7. I do however understand why they are
included and are a high priority for most users that don't have my needs in
an application.
PSP will handle most of my basic printing needs, however when it is
important I use professionals to do my printing (poster size printers are a
little too expensive for me). I find most of the effects plugins/filters or
what ever they are called in PSP useless/junk period. If you are going to
build a page curl, bevel or lighting filter at least make it as good as what
is available else where or spend the development on another real
improvement. I don't want nor need web page code writing, I have better
applications to do that with. I find that PSP 7 is extremely slow in some
areas and chocks on very large images (windows problem really).
The painting engine is now too slow for really effective painting, hence I
use painter 6 (soon to be Painter 7). In addition brushes need some serious
attention, including angle and size changing as well as a better method of
organizing them. The clone tool though good in its day needs to add more
features (ala PS 7). Tubes I do find a great tool and a lot more powerful
than most users will ever know. You will see hell freeze over before I ever
make a tube of a teddy bear.
I don't really see much need for enlargements since I use PSP for the web
which means downsizing. If I need to do serious printing I open Photoshop,
serious logos Corel Draw or Illustrator (though I would like PSP 8 to have
more vector capability), 3D, I open 3D Max, Lightwave or Simply 3D, and I
don't want 3D capability in PSP.
For serious painting I open Painter period. If I want something fast and
easy for the web I open PSP. It is also simply the best at handling plugins
which will even add many of the features you complain about missing. Which
by the way are missing in the high priced spread as well, hence the plugins.
For most users PSP fills their needs to be creative, fix and print snapshot
of their family, make buttons and logos for their web pages. It is also very
inexpensive by comparison to many other applications out there that have the
same capability.
Comparing a 2 year old application to one that is a month old isn't a far
comparison. Some features such as your photo image information wasn't
available at the time of writing of the older application. Now that should
be easy to understand by most, but not others it seems. Beside it will
probably be in the next version, under my list of useless features, but then
I'll never need it nor miss it.
I wouldn't use Word to publish a company news paper but would use Publisher
or some other dedicated publishing program. I really don't believe in the
one app fits all mindset, and don't like it when they try, as they usually
screw it up. Corel is a living example of this mindset of all in one
thinking. Would you try to kill ants with an elephant gun, I think not.
Ranting about PSP short comings based on your needs isn't going to make it
happen for you any more than it would work for me. You want improvement,
post what you want to see done and wait for the next version, as no company
will spend time to add feature to an existing program. No one forced you to
purchase PSP and you sure had plenty of time to evaluate the application for
free before you bought it. It isn't like you bought a pig in a poke now is
it.
Disrupting this group with ranting about how bad JASC products are, isn't
going to get you much. Most of those with the power to make changes won't
even read your suggestions, as they have probably just turned you off by
now. Perhaps if as much time and energy was spent finding better ways to
complete your work rather than just bitching about a program's short comings
you would get more accomplished. This is all my opinion on the subject and
you are entitled to your own. It is obvious to me based on what you have
written you just want to piss and moan about JASC, so be it knock yourself
out.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D74B69C...@usa.net...
Kris Zaklika
[snip]
> Ranting about PSP short comings based on your needs isn't going to make it
> happen for you any more than it would work for me.
Au contraire, I think it is quite likely that your suggestions
might be listened to. Those of some malicious troll would not,
especially since the troll posts are invisible :) Trolls are,
by self-definition, irrelevant.
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Nick
"Joe Cilinceon" wrote
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>
> Frames I've never used them in my work, completely unimportant/useless to
> me.
>
I used to feel they were superflous, until I had to develop a website for a
client who produces framed floral bouquets. Now the client has a number of
frames to choose from (created by me in PSP) which are interchangeable with
images of different floral arrangements.
This means my client can show her customers how different frames suit
different floral arrangements, by looking at the results on-screen in PSP
PSP provided a solution unavailble from any other Image editor!!
See the site I refer to if you wish ... here's are URLs to the frames
www.flowerpreserve.com/wood.htm
www.flowerpreserve.com/decorated.htm
www.flowerpreserve.com/oval.htm
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I understood why JASC added such a feature due to others needs. I would
never presume to be the most important user they have nor would I want to
be. Obviously frames are important to people based on the thousands of
tutorials I see for them every where. vbg
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"Nick" <oh...@ohno.no> wrote in message
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Bob Dietz
>
> Tubes I do find a great tool and a lot more powerful
> than most users will ever know. You will see hell freeze over before I ever
> make a tube of a teddy bear.
I'd love to hear more about how you are using tubes.
Bob
Uni
>
> Like I said Nick the statement was based on my personal needs. I also stated
> I understood why JASC added such a feature due to others needs. I would
> never presume to be the most important user they have nor would I want to
> be. Obviously frames are important to people based on the thousands of
> tutorials I see for them every where. vbg
Thousands of tutorials my behind!!!!!! Triumph The Wonder Puppy says
Picture Frames are the most useless item in PSP!!!!! And PLEASE spare me
the amazing stories how PSP was the ONLY application in THE WORLD that
saved some floral business from going down the TUBES!!! Geez, I've heard
some GOOD ONES before, but it's reaching an all time LOW here!!!!!!!!
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
natural for tubes or making a section of rope or chain in an image. Just for
fun drag a tube some time, across a canvas, then lower its step rate and do
it again. All it takes to make a simple piece of rope is a few intelligently
placed dots in a tube and then rotate them in the next frame. Just think of
a tube as a mutli-colored, resizable brush and you will find a lot more uses
for it. All of these idea where though of by JASC when they did the design
of tubes to PSP. All of my techniques come from experiment and reading what
others have done with them. Nothing mysteries or magical about what I do
with them.
The only thing I rarely use them for is a rubber stamp, though they are good
for that too. A good example of great rubber stamps are the Jungle series of
tubes. Want to paint a perfect tree or add grass to a screen, just learn
some basics of psp layers, tubes and go to it. It sure does come as close to
giving one talent they don't have as can be done. I even saw, much to my
amazement, some recent posts in the Photoshop group, by some of their most
ardent users, discussing the idea of tubes and how they wished PS had them.
Really a remarkable tool when you get off the teddy bears and cartoon ducks.
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"Bob Dietz" <rbdiet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Uni
>
> Joe Cilinceon wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > Ranting about PSP short comings based on your needs isn't going to make it
> > happen for you any more than it would work for me.
>
> Au contraire, I think it is quite likely that your suggestions
> might be listened to.
By who, Z', the Man on The Moon???!!!!! One day you TELL people YOU
DON'T HAVE A BIT OF TIME to write down their SILLY suggestions!!! And
then the NEXT day you say SURE, I'll JOT down YOUR suggestion. I have
NEVER seen someone WHO IS SO VERY BUSY, and NEVER produces a single
THING, other than a bunch of YIP YAP in a SILLY newsgroup!!!!!!!!
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
I'm willing to bet there are at least 10 new frame tutorials each and every
day. I also have PG/E from AutoFX and it has the same problem with ratios.
But then I didn't get it for the frame functions but some of the other
effects it has. Frames to me are like page curl see it once and it is a nice
effect the second time it is boring. About the same to me as looking a
family photographs or pictures of little children.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D750452...@usa.net...
Uni
>
> Take a visit to news.annexcafe.com and look at the frame tutorials there.
> I'm willing to bet there are at least 10 new frame tutorials each and every
> day.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Joe, tell me ANOTHER! First it's WEB SITES, but now
Picture Frames are ISOLATED to silly newsgroups.
> I also have PG/E from AutoFX and it has the same problem with ratios.
Then YOU DON'T know how to SELECT GOOD software, Joe!
> But then I didn't get it for the frame functions but some of the other
> effects it has.
That's how you are satisfied in life, Joe. You jump from application to
application, plug-in to plug-in, operating system to operating system,
searching for Heaven, but NEVER find it! And to top THAT off, you WASTE
A LOT of $$$ DOING this! I can do EVERYTHING YOU CAN, PLUS SOME, and ALL
I have PURCHASED so far is a silly application named Paint Shop. I
EXCLUDED the "Pro" since IT'S NOT used BY PROFESSIONALS!!!!!!
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
link to the their web sites.
No Uni, I don't think you can do anything, I can do in regards to anything.
You have no self respect, so you sure can't have respect anyone else. I feel
sorry for you and your type. Invisible little insignificant creatures in the
real world, afraid of their shadows. Here on the internet with their a
phony names and identity they think they are out of harms way, so they can
say anything to anyone. One of these days you are liable to piss off the
wrong person and get in serious trouble. There are some really crazy people
in this world who would just love to deal with your type in the real world.
No need to respond to me as I won't see it since you go back into my kill
file again. This time I think I'll leave you there. Bye
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D750D58...@usa.net...
Uni
>
> Go look at the group before you call me a liar. They post an example and a
> link to the their web sites.
Yeah, yeah, tell me some more, Joe!
>
> No Uni, I don't think you can do anything, I can do in regards to anything.
> You have no self respect, so you sure can't have respect anyone else. I feel
> sorry for you and your type. Invisible little insignificant creatures in the
> real world, afraid of their shadows. Here on the internet with their a
> phony names and identity they think they are out of harms way, so they can
> say anything to anyone. One of these days you are liable to piss off the
> wrong person and get in serious trouble. There are some really crazy people
> in this world who would just love to deal with your type in the real world.
>
> No need to respond to me as I won't see it since you go back into my kill
> file again. This time I think I'll leave you there. Bye
Oh, geez, now you're having one of your hissy fits, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
Go ahead, Joey. Show me HOW FAST you CAN produce a beautiful sky or
precise GRIDS in your Heaven sent Paint Shop Pro, like I can in The
Gimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ONLY REASON YOU enjoy PSP is because it accepts your PLUG-INS!
Without THEM, it and YOU can't do a heck of A LOT!
Joe Cilinceon
besides I'm bored till PSP 8 beta comes out.
Why would I care how long it takes for me to paint a sky, I'm not in a
hurry? Well if you are really interested which I doubt, on average it takes
me several hours to paint one sky. Now that might be a long time for you
however it isn't for me. This is how I like to spend my time which shouldn't
concern you. But you did ask..
Making a grid is so easy in PSP that it is a waste to even download a free
plug-in to do it. I'm embarrassed for you using grids and sparkles as
example of where PSP is lacking. God if that is what your dislikes have come
down too then take your hero's advise and hire an artist to do your
graphics. Perhaps he will give you a special rate, but don't bet on it.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D751B46...@usa.net...
Danny
Joe Cilinceon wrote:
>
> Think about the recent questions about painting hair. This would be a
> natural for tubes or making a section of rope or chain in an image. Just for
> fun drag a tube some time, across a canvas, then lower its step rate and do
> it again. All it takes to make a simple piece of rope is a few intelligently
> placed dots in a tube and then rotate them in the next frame.
Hey Joe,
You know, MS Photodraw has that capability. It uses something like
PSP tubes I suppose. It lets you draw lines like rope, chain, bamboo,
telephone handsets with the cords, etc. etc., as vector.
If PSP could do that, I bet it wouldn't take long to come up with a hair
setting.
You can do text in vector with those fills also
The artistic lines and the text tools are the only thing I like about
the program though.
(Hey Kris, maybe that something to be added?)
Danny
Joe Cilinceon
keeps them off the highways. g
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> On Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:44:23 -0400, "Joe Cilinceon" <j...@direcway.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Think about the recent questions about painting hair. This would be a
> > natural for tubes or making a section of rope or chain in an image. Just
for
> > fun drag a tube some time, across a canvas, then lower its step rate and
do
> > it again. ................................
> >.................................................
> > Really a remarkable tool when you get off the teddy bears and cartoon
ducks.
>
> Thanks a lot Joe - given me something else to play with/ think
> about. Must say I've never taken to teddy bears and cartoon ducks.
>
> --
> ho...@treblig.freeserve.co.uk
>
> Old as the hills, young as the dawn.
JBc
"Uni" wrote
> Joe Cilinceon wrote:
> > No need to respond to me as I won't see it
> > since you go back into my kill file again. This
> > time I think I'll leave you there. Bye
> Oh, geez, now you're having one of your
> hissy fits, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
Joe wrote some very informative and levelheaded posts in this thread.
> Go ahead, Joey. Show me HOW FAST you
> CAN produce a beautiful sky or precise GRIDS
> in your Heaven sent Paint Shop Pro, like I can in
> The Gimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> The ONLY REASON YOU enjoy PSP is because
> it accepts your PLUG-INS! Without THEM, it and
> YOU can't do a heck of A LOT!
Whistles and bells don't make good quality artwork nor commercial work in
themselves. The best work in these areas is always that which shows the hand
of the maker, the human imagination.
Look at videoclips, listen to pop music: it's not the technology which
speaks to us most. It's how our mind puts it to good use. Your quickly
produced sky would look dead to me.
Joske
LABourdillon
If a flaw/weakness/shortcoming is pointed out as existing in a piece of
software, the source of the information, or how the information is
presented, shouldn't really be of concern. First, verify that this
flaw/weakness/shortcoming does indeed exist; and, if it does, then rectify
the situation. But perhaps not flame the messenger just because the
presentation may not be in a particularly helpful format.
...larry
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>
Joe Cilinceon
to it. There is even a plugin that allows Photoshop to use PSP tubes.
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Uni
>
> ROTFLOL, I changed my mind you are too amusing to put into a kill file. And
> besides I'm bored till PSP 8 beta comes out.
Well, you're GOING to be BORED for a VERY LONG time, Joey!!!!!! Get use
to it, DUDE!
>
> Why would I care how long it takes for me to paint a sky, I'm not in a
> hurry? Well if you are really interested which I doubt, on average it takes
> me several hours to paint one sky. Now that might be a long time for you
> however it isn't for me. This is how I like to spend my time which shouldn't
> concern you. But you did ask..
>
> Making a grid is so easy in PSP
Yeah, Joe, tell me ANOTHER!!!!!! This is why YOU ALWAYS suggest doing
SCREEN CAPTURES in your silly Paint Shop Pro, because you CAN'T produce
GRIDS ANY OTHER WAY!!!
But WAIT! There's always Jackie's LONG, BORING and SILLY Grid Mini-Tut
which you have to STRUGGLE with JUST to obtain SOMETHING that resembles
a GRID! Ha Ha Ha, Joey!!!
If you got enough bananas, maybe we can find some chimps at a zoo to
pound on keyboards and produce some code for PSP-8!!!!!
Uni
Uni
>
> LOL yes god bless them old women who love to make stationery out of them. It
> keeps them off the highways. g
You've got that right, Joey!!! Women were made to ONLY clean house, cook
and make babies!!!! Other than that, I don't see any future for their
existence!!!! :)
Uni
Uni
>
> "Uni" wrote
> > Joe Cilinceon wrote:
>
> > > No need to respond to me as I won't see it
> > > since you go back into my kill file again. This
> > > time I think I'll leave you there. Bye
>
> > Oh, geez, now you're having one of your
> > hissy fits, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
>
> Joe wrote some very informative and levelheaded posts in this thread.
Joe C'. is ONLY as GOOD as the questions that typically get answered
HERE!
He SURELY hasn't taught ME much of ANYTHING.
>
> > Go ahead, Joey. Show me HOW FAST you
> > CAN produce a beautiful sky or precise GRIDS
> > in your Heaven sent Paint Shop Pro, like I can in
> > The Gimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > The ONLY REASON YOU enjoy PSP is because
> > it accepts your PLUG-INS! Without THEM, it and
> > YOU can't do a heck of A LOT!
>
> Whistles and bells don't make good quality artwork nor commercial work in
> themselves. The best work in these areas is always that which shows the hand
> of the maker, the human imagination.
I AGREE!!!!!! However, you DON'T need PSP to accomplish THIS. I PROVE
this to Joe C', and he get ALL bent out of SHAPE. He uses text to ARGUE,
while I use MY NON-PSP CREATIONS to show him UP!
>
> Look at videoclips, listen to pop music: it's not the technology which
> speaks to us most. It's how our mind puts it to good use. Your quickly
> produced sky would look dead to me.
UNFORTUNATELY, YOU can't produce something as fast and as beautiful as
the SKY I created with The Gimp, with YOUR Paint Shop Pro.
You COULD always PROVE me WRONG, and post SOMETHING to a PSP binary
newsgroup, YOU KNOW!? :)
Uni
>
> Joske
Joe Cilinceon
http://www.dizteq.com/joestuff/gallery.html and take your pick any thing on
page 1. I'll match it to any thing canned. Beside I probably could of done
it in MS Paint if I wanted to work that hard. I don't need all the software
you seem to need. I do like playing with it though. Now page 3 is
composites, done by hand, computer, plugins and photographs. Page 2 is
mostly hand painted but I did slip a plugin in one or 2 of them. I don't
need to prove my talents to you.
Oh and you are safe about me posting in the psp binaries group, I can't even
get to it from goggle never mind my ISP. This has nothing to do with the
group I just can't get it at this time.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D7533C8...@usa.net...
Joe Cilinceon
the messages posted therein. In Uni case he has ranted so much about PSP
without giving specifics that no one takes him serious any longer. The JASC
people here probably have him in their kill file by now and I for one can't
blame them.
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"LABourdillon" <lab...@NOSPAM.ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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Joe Cilinceon
alternative method? I don't remember that but if you say I did I'll accept
it as gospel. Now I will teach you how to make a quick grid. First say you
want a 10 by 10 grid. Open a new image 10 by 10. Now fill the top 10 pixel
with black and the left edge pixels with black. Ok now open the image you
want the grid in add a new layer and select the flood fill tool. Set it to
texture and pick the open 10x10 image. Now flood fill. Color and size are up
to you. This is true of any kind of pattern you would want to make.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D752B6C...@usa.net...
Joe Cilinceon
right now, but do you want some salt to put on your foot. ROTFLOL
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D752E58...@usa.net...
Kris Zaklika
>
[snip]
> Hey Joe,
> You know, MS Photodraw has that capability. It uses something like
> PSP tubes I suppose. It lets you draw lines like rope, chain, bamboo,
> telephone handsets with the cords, etc. etc., as vector.
> If PSP could do that, I bet it wouldn't take long to come up with a hair
> setting.
> You can do text in vector with those fills also
> The artistic lines and the text tools are the only thing I like about
> the program though.
>
> (Hey Kris, maybe that something to be added?)
You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
> Danny
Bob Dietz
cartoon ducks and rubber stamps.
I wish we could use a selection as tube in much the same way that
current selections and images can be used as Patterns.
I also wish that single cell tubes were treated as a special case.
Consider the Pointing Hands tube (with Placement mode: Continuous
and Selection mode: Angular.) The image in the first cell is rotated
by a fixed increment in each of the remaining 35 cells. Creating
such a tube is a rather tedious affair. I'd much rather create
a single cell tube and set Placement mode: Continuous, Selection
mode: Rotational and Rotation Steps:36. (The last two parameters
would of course be limited to single cell tubes.)
Bob
PS. Yes, I sent a copy of this to pspi...@jasc.com
Joe Cilinceon
ability to pick one tube from a multi tube file and make it temporarily the
only tube used.
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"Bob Dietz" <rbdiet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Kris Zaklika
>
> Seemingly confusing the message with the messenger...
Nope, anyone can say anything. Not everyone can ensure what
he or she says has value. I make a value judgment. Others
make other judgments too. Then maybe it's a suggestion for
a future version of PSP. You should not assume I will
somehow always find the most stupid way to deal with an
issue. If it seems like I'm doing something stupid, check
for a misperception on your part.
> If a flaw/weakness/shortcoming is pointed out as existing in a piece of
> software, the source of the information, or how the information is
> presented, shouldn't really be of concern. First, verify that this
> flaw/weakness/shortcoming does indeed exist; and, if it does, then rectify
> the situation. But perhaps not flame the messenger just because the
> presentation may not be in a particularly helpful format.
You make the assumption I don't filter posts. I do filter
posts from time wasters. Maybe they have good suggestions,
I don't know, because I never see them. There is no messenger
bearing bad news to me. These are turned away before they
even ring the doorbell. They aren't turned away because I
can't deal with bad news - plenty of people offer criticism
and I listen carefully. (I recall you had some a while back.)
They have turned off their access to me by their behavior
and the choices they have made. I just don't have time to
extract bad news (or good) from piles of manure and hose it
off to look at it. Bear in mind that I could leave this
group for good and still get useful input from customers
about flaws in the product or things that work well. There
is nothing magic about some self-selected group of posters
or lurkers. They are not uniquely representative of customers.
I answer their questions, though, because they are customers
or potential customers. On balance that's worthwhile for me,
but I streamline the process to exclude the irrelevant.
> ...larry
>
> Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote in message
> news:3D74E2CF...@jasc.com...
> >
> > Au contraire, I think it is quite likely that your suggestions
> > might be listened to. Those of some malicious troll would not,
> > especially since the troll posts are invisible :) Trolls are,
> > by self-definition, irrelevant.
> >
--
Uni
>
> What I was saying is they have to be willing to read a post by one to get
> the messages posted therein. In Uni case he has ranted so much about PSP
> without giving specifics that no one takes him serious any longer. The JASC
> people here probably have him in their kill file by now
Ha ha ha! The day Kris Zackalack filters me, is the day that place way
down below freezes over!!!! :-)
Uni
p.s. Tell Bob D. their IS NO SUCH Jasc e-mail address!!! It's
id...@jasc.com !!
Sally Beacham
> [snip]
>
> > Ranting about PSP short comings based on your needs isn't going to make
it
> > happen for you any more than it would work for me.
>
> might be listened to. Those of some malicious troll would not,
> especially since the troll posts are invisible :) Trolls are,
> by self-definition, irrelevant.
>
>
I only have one thing to say -
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www.lvsonline.com / PSP, Filter Frenzy, Xara X
FilterMunky / www.psppower.com
reply to sbeachamATdizteq.com
Sally Beacham
"Joe Cilinceon" <j...@direcway.com> wrote in message
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> LOL yes god bless them old women who love to make stationery out of them.
It
> keeps them off the highways. g
>
Yeah, but it doesn't keep 'em out of the bars.
Sally Beacham
"Nick" <oh...@ohno.no> wrote in message
news:7D5d9.13299$zX3....@news.indigo.ie...
>
> "Joe Cilinceon" wrote
>
> [excuse the snip]
>
> >
> > Frames I've never used them in my work, completely unimportant/useless
to
> > me.
> >
>
> I used to feel they were superflous, until I had to develop a website for
a
> client who produces framed floral bouquets. Now the client has a number of
> frames to choose from (created by me in PSP) which are interchangeable
with
> images of different floral arrangements.
>
> This means my client can show her customers how different frames suit
> different floral arrangements, by looking at the results on-screen in PSP
>
> PSP provided a solution unavailble from any other Image editor!!
>
> See the site I refer to if you wish ... here's are URLs to the frames
> www.flowerpreserve.com/wood.htm
> www.flowerpreserve.com/decorated.htm
> www.flowerpreserve.com/oval.htm
>
Nick -
I'd be very interested in seeing how you created those frames. Got some
time?
Sally Beacham
> Joe Cilinceon wrote:
> >
> > Tubes I do find a great tool and a lot more powerful
> > than most users will ever know. You will see hell freeze over before I
ever
> > make a tube of a teddy bear.
>
> I'd love to hear more about how you are using tubes.
>
> Bob
>
He's got tons of manly toobs. Rivets and screws and things. I told him he
has to fork them over. I've got him at gunpoint now.
Sally Beacham
> Yes I don't think JASC though of tubes and Ulead also has something
similar
> to it. There is even a plugin that allows Photoshop to use PSP tubes.
>
> --
>
Splat!.... www.alienskin.com - though for some odd reason, you're supposed
to be able to actually make the .tub extension in Photoshop with it, but I
haven't been able to get it to function that way....
Joe Cilinceon
duck tube.
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"Sally Beacham" <p...@tension.you> wrote in message
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Sally Beacham
> Sounds like we have similar ideas about the utility of teddy bears,
> cartoon ducks and rubber stamps.
>
>
> I wish we could use a selection as tube in much the same way that
> current selections and images can be used as Patterns.
>
> I also wish that single cell tubes were treated as a special case.
>
> Consider the Pointing Hands tube (with Placement mode: Continuous
> and Selection mode: Angular.) The image in the first cell is rotated
> by a fixed increment in each of the remaining 35 cells. Creating
> such a tube is a rather tedious affair. I'd much rather create
> a single cell tube and set Placement mode: Continuous, Selection
> mode: Rotational and Rotation Steps:36. (The last two parameters
> would of course be limited to single cell tubes.)
>
> Bob
>
> PS. Yes, I sent a copy of this to pspi...@jasc.com
Bob -
One hint... Animation Shop.
Joe Cilinceon
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"Sally Beacham" <p...@tension.you> wrote in message
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LABourdillon
with JASC. I'm a customer (and a good one for JASC), please remember that!
As with this fellow Uni, in my posts you're again confusing the message with
the messenger. I have been giving recommendations for features I'd like to
see in PSP (icc profiles, etc.) - I use it primarily for photo enhancement.
Perhaps you don't like my presentation, but listen to the message, will you
please! You can't possibly know 'what's relevant' until you have fully
evaluated the recommendation (forget the source). And that means that one
doesn't throw out recommendations just because you personally have this
problem with a particular poster.
You're a representative of JASC on this forum, and I'm a customer of JASC. I
never made any assumptions about whether or not you filter posts - I don't
know where you got that from.
You wrote...
"Maybe they have good suggestions, I don't know, because I never see them.
There is no messenger bearing bad news to me. These are turned away before
they even ring the doorbell."
This is *exactly* what I'm writing about, Kris. You are effectively turning
away criticism, not because of its validity, but because of its source.
As you yourself have just written, perhaps you should back off from this
group and lurk for a time - get your perspective back. You have a product to
sell, and alienating customers (e.g., me?) is not the way to accomplish
this.
...larry
Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote in message
news:3D7540F2...@jasc.com...
Uni
>
> LOL now the truth comes out.
Don't LAUGH so hard, bucko. YOU STARTED it!!!!!!!!!
Uni
Uni
>
> I suggested screen captures for getting a grid, it must have been an
> alternative method? I don't remember that but if you say I did I'll accept
> it as gospel. Now I will teach you how to make a quick grid. First say you
> want a 10 by 10 grid. Open a new image 10 by 10. Now fill the top 10 pixel
> with black and the left edge pixels with black. Ok now open the image you
> want the grid in add a new layer and select the flood fill tool. Set it to
> texture and pick the open 10x10 image. Now flood fill. Color and size are up
> to you. This is true of any kind of pattern you would want to make.
Geeeeez! Talk about an awkward an silly way to make a SIMPLE GRID!!!!!!
I can tell YOU'RE NO PROFESSIONAL, since you have TONS and TONS of TIME
on your hands to work SOOOOO inefficiently, like YOU DO!
Sheesh!!!!!!!!
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
I never said I was a professional, I have gotten paid for doing art work as
well as sold some, though it is just a hobby with me. I very happily semi
retired now.
The whole process takes less time to do that tell. It is also the method
used by many a professional that uses Photoshop as well. Look around the web
for grid tutorials in PS.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D757236...@usa.net...
Uni
Larry, if you get a chance, e-mail me, please. I'd like to share some
things about Jasc with you.
THANK YOU!
Uni
Uni
>
> LOL poor Uni-ck don't know when to quit do you.
>
> I never said I was a professional, I have gotten paid for doing art work as
> well as sold some, though it is just a hobby with me. I very happily semi
> retired now.
>
> The whole process takes less time to do that tell. It is also the method
> used by many a professional that uses Photoshop as well. Look around the web
> for grid tutorials in PS.
There YOU go AGAIN, Joey, attacking Photoshop when WE'RE talking about
The Gimp vs Paint Shop Pro!
I have to assume your TIME CONSUMING SILLY Toots were made for OTHER
retired folks, because PROFESSIONALS would NEVER work SO
inefficiently!!!!!!!
Sheesh!!!! Talk about the AMATEURISH people that migrated to THIS
newsgroup!
Uni
Sally Beacham
> Kris, probably I've been using PSP as long as (or longer than) you've been
> with JASC. I'm a customer (and a good one for JASC), please remember that!
> As with this fellow Uni, in my posts you're again confusing the message
with
> the messenger. I have been giving recommendations for features I'd like to
> see in PSP (icc profiles, etc.) - I use it primarily for photo
enhancement.
> Perhaps you don't like my presentation, but listen to the message, will
you
> please! You can't possibly know 'what's relevant' until you have fully
> evaluated the recommendation (forget the source). And that means that one
> doesn't throw out recommendations just because you personally have this
> problem with a particular poster.
Larry -
He in no way discounted your input. His choice is to discount the same
set of trolls we all discount ( of course, the subset of "all" is open to
interpretation, I've got my definition, yours may vary!)
>
> You're a representative of JASC on this forum, and I'm a customer of JASC.
I
> never made any assumptions about whether or not you filter posts - I don't
> know where you got that from.
Kris is a private citizen, just like you or me. Is there some law that
requires him to work 24 hours a day and be available and totally submissive
to a complete moron? I think not. The moron's wasting our time, and Kris's
time, and I wholeheartedly support Kris kf'ing him. Not once has the moron
offered up any valuable information that isn't recycled from other posters.
>
> You wrote...
>
> "Maybe they have good suggestions, I don't know, because I never see them.
> There is no messenger bearing bad news to me. These are turned away before
> they even ring the doorbell."
>
> This is *exactly* what I'm writing about, Kris. You are effectively
turning
> away criticism, not because of its validity, but because of its source.
Yep. He has that right. (And the "validity" is highly questionable!)
>
> As you yourself have just written, perhaps you should back off from this
> group and lurk for a time - get your perspective back. You have a product
to
> sell, and alienating customers (e.g., me?) is not the way to accomplish
> this.
I'm sure his intention is not to alienate you, but that's for him to say.
He sure as heck will sell more products by ignoring the moron, than catering
to him.
Joe Cilinceon
Oh and I didn't attack PS just used it for an example, as you have
constantly stated Adobe's products are so superior to Jasc products in this
group. It is also the professional standard by which all other software is
graded, just ask anyone, including the professionals.
I can't compare Gimp to PSP fairly, I don't use gimp. The last time I tried
it, it crashed about every 30 seconds. That of course convinced me you get
what you pay for in Gimp's case. Oh and I was running Win 98SE at that time
and not XP, just to straighten you out from an earlier statement you made.
Unlike you, I will learn to use a program before I evaluate its abilities.
We also was not talking about Gimp, but about PSP you jumped over to gimp.
Wonder did you have a falling out with Elements.
Yes, I've noticed the AMATEURISH people that migrated to THIS newsgroup,
since I've been here a lot longer than you.
You could be retired too Uni, you don't have a job either. Difference is I
can afford software and you can't
Well enough of this fun chatter, I'm going to bed, have a round of golf in
the morning. Have a good night Uni. g
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D757972...@usa.net...
Cliff
>> (Hey Kris, maybe that something to be added?)
>
> You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
>
This was done entirely with vectors, utilizing pattern fill and gradients.
http://members.telocity.com/bbetcetera/barnegat_light.jpg
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baseb...@hotmail.com
Joe Cilinceon
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"Cliff" <baseb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Uni
>
> LOL ok partner you have it your way.
Darn right, Joey!!!!!
>
> Oh and I didn't attack PS just used it for an example, as you have
> constantly stated Adobe's products are so superior to Jasc products in this
> group. It is also the professional standard by which all other software is
> graded, just ask anyone, including the professionals.
I know it is, Joe!!!!!! You're just not good enough to learn HOW to use
it. You had to seek something that's more on your intelligence level,
like PSP!
And EVERYONE knows Adobe has MANY applications which ARE USED by
Professionals. It's a SHAME Jasc doesn't!
>
> I can't compare Gimp to PSP fairly, I don't use gimp. The last time I tried
> it, it crashed about every 30 seconds.
Come on, Joe!!!! You couldn't get ANY other operating system to work for
you, and you couldn't get The Gimp to work either. I CAN accomplish what
YOU CAN'T!
I used The Gimp for about 2 hours so far and discovered it's LOADED with
Goodies, NOT found in Paint Shop Pro.
That of course convinced me you get
> what you pay for in Gimp's case. Oh and I was running Win 98SE at that time
> and not XP, just to straighten you out from an earlier statement you made.
> Unlike you, I will learn to use a program before I evaluate its abilities.
> We also was not talking about Gimp, but about PSP you jumped over to gimp.
NO WAY, Joe!!!!! I SHOWED you what The Gimp can do, and challenged you
to match it in Paint Shop Pro! You COULDN'T!
> Wonder did you have a falling out with Elements.
>
> Yes, I've noticed the AMATEURISH people that migrated to THIS newsgroup,
> since I've been here a lot longer than you.
>
> You could be retired too Uni, you don't have a job either. Difference is I
> can afford software and you can't.
So FAR from the TRUTH, Joey!!!!!!! YOU NEED that other $$$ SOFTWARE to
create something worthwhile, while I DON'T!
>
> Well enough of this fun chatter, I'm going to bed, have a round of golf in
> the morning. Have a good night Uni. g
You, too, Joe :)
Uni
Kris Zaklika
>
> Kris, probably I've been using PSP as long as (or longer than) you've been
> with JASC. I'm a customer (and a good one for JASC), please remember that!
> As with this fellow Uni, in my posts you're again confusing the message with
> the messenger. I have been giving recommendations for features I'd like to
> see in PSP (icc profiles, etc.) - I use it primarily for photo enhancement.
> Perhaps you don't like my presentation, but listen to the message, will you
> please!
I am listening to the message. What makes you think I'm
not? You've done nothing to get yourself filtered. Why do
you think I follow up your posts instead of ignoring them?
> You can't possibly know 'what's relevant' until you have fully
> evaluated the recommendation (forget the source). And that means that one
> doesn't throw out recommendations just because you personally have this
> problem with a particular poster.
How do you know what thought process I apply? I'm getting
a bit irked by repeatedly being taken for a fool. Do you
really think, for instance, that none of your suggestions
occurred to anyone at Jasc until you mentioned them? Your
comments just got recorded as another "yes" vote. Nobody
outside Jasc knows how that election will come out.
> You're a representative of JASC on this forum, and I'm a customer of JASC. I
> never made any assumptions about whether or not you filter posts - I don't
> know where you got that from.
You're participating in a thread that, at the time of writing,
is composed of 30% posts from trolls, which I haven't read. You
seem to be telling me that I should waste my time reading
trollery. That's not the way to best use my limited spare time
here. (Yes, this is all coming out of my time, not Jasc's,
since I have a real job that is considerably more challenging
than answering posts.)
Kris Zaklika
>
> Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote in news:3D753D0A...@jasc.com:
>
> >> (Hey Kris, maybe that something to be added?)
> >
> > You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
> >
>
> This was done entirely with vectors, utilizing pattern fill and gradients.
> http://members.telocity.com/bbetcetera/barnegat_light.jpg
Kinda sheds light on the whole issue, doesn't it :)
> --
> Cliff Otto
> baseb...@hotmail.com
Uni
>
> LABourdillon wrote:
> >
> > Kris, probably I've been using PSP as long as (or longer than) you've been
> > with JASC. I'm a customer (and a good one for JASC), please remember that!
> > As with this fellow Uni, in my posts you're again confusing the message with
> > the messenger. I have been giving recommendations for features I'd like to
> > see in PSP (icc profiles, etc.) - I use it primarily for photo enhancement.
> > Perhaps you don't like my presentation, but listen to the message, will you
> > please!
>
Not to worry, Z'. Larry and I will have a nice little chat in e-mail
where I'll tell him THE REAL FACTS!!
Cheerio!,
Uni
Bob Dietz
> "Bob Dietz" <rbdiet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3D753C6F...@yahoo.com...
>
>>Sounds like we have similar ideas about the utility of teddy bears,
>>cartoon ducks and rubber stamps.
>>
>>
>>I wish we could use a selection as tube in much the same way that
>>current selections and images can be used as Patterns.
>>
>>I also wish that single cell tubes were treated as a special case.
>>
>>Consider the Pointing Hands tube (with Placement mode: Continuous
>>and Selection mode: Angular.) The image in the first cell is rotated
>>by a fixed increment in each of the remaining 35 cells. Creating
>>such a tube is a rather tedious affair. I'd much rather create
>>a single cell tube and set Placement mode: Continuous, Selection
>>mode: Rotational and Rotation Steps:36. (The last two parameters
>>would of course be limited to single cell tubes.)
>>
>>Bob
>>
>>PS. Yes, I sent a copy of this to pspi...@jasc.com
>
>
>
> Bob -
>
> One hint... Animation Shop.
I've got zero interest in animated gifs so that would never have occurred
to me. Thanks for the hint. I'll take a look at that tomorrow.
Bob
JBc
"Uni wrote
> JBc wrote:
> > "Uni" wrote
> > > Joe Cilinceon wrote:
> > > Go ahead, Joey. Show me HOW FAST you
> > > CAN produce a beautiful sky or precise GRIDS
> > > in your Heaven sent Paint Shop Pro, like I can in
> > > The Gimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > Whistles and bells don't make good quality
> > artwork nor commercial work in themselves.
> > The best work in these areas is always that
> > which shows the hand of the maker, the
> > human imagination.
> I AGREE!!!!!!
Good.
> > Your quickly produced sky would look dead to me.
> UNFORTUNATELY, YOU can't produce something
> as fast and as beautiful as the SKY I created with
> The Gimp, with YOUR Paint Shop Pro.
The Gimp is a sweet little tool in its developing stages. And your sky still
looks like what's left in the sink after you've washed a sweater with too
much washing powder. I'm sorry ;-)
> You COULD always PROVE me WRONG, and
> post SOMETHING to a PSP binary newsgroup,
> YOU KNOW!? :)
Okay. I made four on the same level as yours: plain line-drawings without
detail or depth.
Joske
Cliff
> Great job Cliff. g
Thanks, Joe. I must admit that I found it tough designing the gradients;
they kept changing to colors other than the ones I thought I was using. I
like the point-to-point vector tool for drawing and tracing because it's so
easy to adjust what you have done in Node Edit.
Cliff
>> This was done entirely with vectors, utilizing pattern fill and
>> gradients. http://members.telocity.com/bbetcetera/barnegat_light.jpg
>
> Kinda sheds light on the whole issue, doesn't it :)
But oh, the sweetness, and oh, the light Of the high-fastidious night!
--Sidney Lanier
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Fugitive
wrote:
>Cliff wrote:
>>
>> Kris Zaklika <kzak...@jasc.com> wrote in news:3D753D0A...@jasc.com:
>>
>> >> (Hey Kris, maybe that something to be added?)
>> >
>> > You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
>> >
>>
>> This was done entirely with vectors, utilizing pattern fill and gradients.
>> http://members.telocity.com/bbetcetera/barnegat_light.jpg
>
>Kinda sheds light on the whole issue, doesn't it :)
The light it sheds for me is that the Vectors and Gradients are both
difficult and confusing to use. Sorry to butt in, but I couldn't help
my self........
Greg
a couple a things http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291841637
adult gallery. http://community.webshots.com/user/fugitive02
"Study and, in gerneral, the pursuit of truth and beauty is a sphere of
activity in which we are permitted to remain children all of our lives."
A. Einstein.
Fugitive
>>> > You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
>>> >
>>>
>>> This was done entirely with vectors, utilizing pattern fill and
>>> gradients. http://members.telocity.com/bbetcetera/barnegat_light.jpg
That looks quite good to me. If I did it though, it would take a while
because of the difficulty of both of these tools.
Uni
>
> "Uni wrote
> > JBc wrote:
> > > "Uni" wrote
> > > > Joe Cilinceon wrote:
>
> > > > Go ahead, Joey. Show me HOW FAST you
> > > > CAN produce a beautiful sky or precise GRIDS
> > > > in your Heaven sent Paint Shop Pro, like I can in
> > > > The Gimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > > Whistles and bells don't make good quality
> > > artwork nor commercial work in themselves.
> > > The best work in these areas is always that
> > > which shows the hand of the maker, the
> > > human imagination.
>
> > I AGREE!!!!!!
>
> Good.
Fine!
>
> > > Your quickly produced sky would look dead to me.
>
> > UNFORTUNATELY, YOU can't produce something
> > as fast and as beautiful as the SKY I created with
> > The Gimp, with YOUR Paint Shop Pro.
>
> The Gimp is a sweet little tool in its developing stages.
Music to my ears, Joske!!
And your sky still
> looks like what's left in the sink after you've washed a sweater with too
> much washing powder. I'm sorry ;-)
Ha Ha Ha!!!!!! I saw your three (3) creations and they look pretty good.
However, my clouds look more realistic than yours do :-) Lay a SUN on
me, too!!
May I ask HOW you created the clouds? I assume with a cloud Picture
Tube.
Uni
Sally Beacham
Me too. But there's a lot more under the hood there than one would suspect.
JBc
"Uni" wrote
> JBc wrote:
> > > You COULD always PROVE me WRONG, and
> > > post SOMETHING to a PSP binary newsgroup,
> > > YOU KNOW!? :)
>> Okay. I made four on the same level as yours:
>> plain line-drawings without detail or depth.
> I saw your three (3) creations and they look pretty good.
> However, my clouds look more realistic than
> yours do :-) Lay a SUN on me, too!!
> May I ask HOW you created the clouds? I
> assume with a cloud Picture Tube.
My compliments for openly agreeing on the fact that PSP and a moderately
talented and interested user can indeed do this. They do indeed look pretty
good.
Joske
Mike
Fugitive wrote:
>
> Sorry to butt in, but I couldn't help
> my self........
Nothing new.
":^) ®
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Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
Cliff
news:1ho0ssc0du5gu0rsa...@4ax.com:
>
>>>> > You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> This was done entirely with vectors, utilizing pattern fill and
>>>> gradients. http://members.telocity.com/bbetcetera/barnegat_light.jpg
>
> That looks quite good to me. If I did it though, it would take a while
> because of the difficulty of both of these tools.
I hope you don't think I just whipped that up in a few minutes to
demonstrate the point. I did it to learn how to use those tools. A lot of
it was trial-and-error, but in the end, I learned something.
Using pattern fill with the vector tool is simple, but getting the
gradients right did take a lot of experimentation.
Just to give you some idea of how I did this, these are the separate layers
(34) that I used:
sea, sunrise, fence, low sky, lower mid-sky, middle sky, upper sky, lower
tower, upper tower, window, top window line, middle window line, bottom
window line, right window linw, left window line, house, grass, shrubbery,
undertop, supports1, support2, side top, light, light line 1, light line 2,
light line 3, light line 4, light line 5, light line 6, light line 7, light
top, light line upper, light line lower, railing, light beam.
If you are a really good artist, then maybe you could do this from scratch,
but for most people I suspect that tracing the outline from a photograph
(this case) or from a sketch that has been scanned will prove easiest.
--
Cliff Otto
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Danny
Kris Zaklika wrote:
>
> Danny wrote:
> >
> [snip]
>
> > Hey Joe,
> > You know, MS Photodraw has that capability. It uses something like
> > PSP tubes I suppose.
<snip>
> You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
Kris, I understand what you are saying but it is not quite what I was
talking about.
I posted an example in alt.binaries.paint-shop-pro with the subject
header of "Vector Lines in MS Photopaint".
Create line, add fill (texture or photo realistic art), add shadow, then
you can still make adjusts on the fly if it is still quite not the right
shape or size.
I could be wrong, but if someone can tell me how to do this in one easy
step then I would be eternally grateful. Really.
That is why I brought it up as a 'wish' for PSP. Because it is a b--ch
to export clearly from that program.
Thank for your time Kris!
Danny
Sally Beacham
"Danny" <majj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3D76073F...@hotmail.com...
>
>
> Kris Zaklika wrote:
> >
> > Danny wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Hey Joe,
> > > You know, MS Photodraw has that capability. It uses something like
> > > PSP tubes I suppose.
> <snip>
>
> > You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
>
> Kris, I understand what you are saying but it is not quite what I was
> talking about.
> I posted an example in alt.binaries.paint-shop-pro with the subject
> header of "Vector Lines in MS Photopaint".
>
> Create line, add fill (texture or photo realistic art), add shadow, then
> you can still make adjusts on the fly if it is still quite not the right
> shape or size.
>
Click on object with Vector Selection tool, right-click, choose Properties
and edit thusly. You can also node edit to adjust the shape. You can't
add a drop shadow that is fully editable, but you can use Select from Vector
Object to add a drop shadow on the fly, and if it isn't right, delete and
add again after you edit the object.
Uni
That is true, they look pretty good, but I can do better!
I'll be back soon! :-)
Uni
>
> Joske
Uni
I'm BACK!
It looked like it was going to be a beautiful day in the PSP newsgroup:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42670345/49271525BnEnby
But then Toon Boy entered:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42670345/49271657DrCBoL
He noticed Uni and the rest is history:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/42670345/49271815OsMAyG
Uni
>
> Uni
>
> >
> > Joske
Kris Zaklika
>
> Kris Zaklika wrote:
> >
> > Danny wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Hey Joe,
> > > You know, MS Photodraw has that capability. It uses something like
> > > PSP tubes I suppose.
> <snip>
>
> > You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
>
> Kris, I understand what you are saying but it is not quite what I was
> talking about.
> I posted an example in alt.binaries.paint-shop-pro with the subject
> header of "Vector Lines in MS Photopaint".
>
> Create line, add fill (texture or photo realistic art), add shadow, then
> you can still make adjusts on the fly if it is still quite not the right
> shape or size.
>
> I could be wrong, but if someone can tell me how to do this in one easy
> step then I would be eternally grateful. Really.
Well, you can't actually do it in one step in MS PhotoDraw,
so why insist on one step in PSP? :) Select the object and
edit it (change shape, rotate, node edit, etc.) or change
it's properties, such as fill and stroke. That's all you need
to do in PSP. Take a look at the Help for vector stuff. It
is true, however, that PSP does not support raster effects
on vectors in a direct way.
> That is why I brought it up as a 'wish' for PSP. Because it is a b--ch
> to export clearly from that program.
>
> Thank for your time Kris!
>
> Danny
--
Uni
>
> Kris Zaklika wrote:
> >
> > Danny wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> >
> > > Hey Joe,
> > > You know, MS Photodraw has that capability. It uses something like
> > > PSP tubes I suppose.
> <snip>
>
> > You can do vectors with pattern fill in PSP now.
>
> Kris, I understand what you are saying but it is not quite what I was
> talking about.
> I posted an example in alt.binaries.paint-shop-pro with the subject
> header of "Vector Lines in MS Photopaint".
I saw it, Danny! Sure blows away anything you can do in Paint Shop
Pro!!!
Again, NICE!
Uni
Uni
>
> ROTFLOL, I changed my mind you are too amusing to put into a kill file. And
> besides I'm bored till PSP 8 beta comes out.
>
> Why would I care how long it takes for me to paint a sky, I'm not in a
> hurry? Well if you are really interested which I doubt, on average it takes
> me several hours to paint one sky.
Actually, Joe, you stated, elsewhere, it takes you 5+ hours JUST to
create a SIMPLE sky in PSP. Remember, one thing, Joe. Software is
suppose to work with you, not against you! And the "sky" image that you
generated was SO small, it lacked any detail.
Uni
Now that might be a long time for you
> however it isn't for me. This is how I like to spend my time which shouldn't
> concern you. But you did ask..
>
> Making a grid is so easy in PSP that it is a waste to even download a free
> plug-in to do it. I'm embarrassed for you using grids and sparkles as
> example of where PSP is lacking. God if that is what your dislikes have come
> down too then take your hero's advise and hire an artist to do your
> graphics. Perhaps he will give you a special rate, but don't bet on it.
>
> --
>
> Joe Cilinceon
>
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>
> "Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D751B46...@usa.net...
> > Joe Cilinceon wrote:
> > >
> > > Go look at the group before you call me a liar. They post an example and
> a
> > > link to the their web sites.
> >
> > Yeah, yeah, tell me some more, Joe!
> >
> > >
> > > No Uni, I don't think you can do anything, I can do in regards to
> anything.
> > > You have no self respect, so you sure can't have respect anyone else. I
> feel
> > > sorry for you and your type. Invisible little insignificant creatures in
> the
> > > real world, afraid of their shadows. Here on the internet with their a
> > > phony names and identity they think they are out of harms way, so they
> can
> > > say anything to anyone. One of these days you are liable to piss off the
> > > wrong person and get in serious trouble. There are some really crazy
> people
> > > in this world who would just love to deal with your type in the real
> world.
> > >
> > > No need to respond to me as I won't see it since you go back into my
> kill
> > > file again. This time I think I'll leave you there. Bye
> >
> > Oh, geez, now you're having one of your hissy fits, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Go ahead, Joey. Show me HOW FAST you CAN produce a beautiful sky or
> > precise GRIDS in your Heaven sent Paint Shop Pro, like I can in The
> > Gimp!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > The ONLY REASON YOU enjoy PSP is because it accepts your PLUG-INS!
> > Without THEM, it and YOU can't do a heck of A LOT!
> >
> > Uni
Joe Cilinceon
Try clicking on one of those small images. And I hand paint them not
generate them.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D772884...@usa.net...
Uni
>
> So small what are you talking about?????
I'm referring to what YOU posted to the comp.graphics newsgroup.
> Try clicking on one of those small images. And I hand paint them not
> generate them.
To "generate" is to bring into existence; cause to be; produce.
Uni
Joe Cilinceon
nothing I could post would meet your test. If you want it bigger visit the
gallery.
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"Uni" <plg...@usa.net> wrote in message news:3D77560A...@usa.net...
Uni
>
> And you couldn't see detail in that. You need serious glasses but then
> nothing I could post would meet your test. If you want it bigger visit the
> gallery.
First off, my eyesight IS FINE! IT IS HARD TO SEE DETAIL IN AN IMAGE
which is ONLY like 200 pixels WIDE, ESPECIALLY when the scene is a 100
miles wide!!
Now, where did your web site GO!!???
Joe Cilinceon
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Mike
Joe Cilinceon wrote:
>
> http://www.dizteq.com/joestuff/gallery.html
They look like photographs that have been played with, or parts of
photographs plugged into drawings.
I think I mentioned to you before that you have some things with sharp
detail right next to things that are fuzzy and out of focus, this
breaks the "spell" of a painting or drawing.
RV
Joe
Those are excellent! I especially like the Eagle/Indian theme in Gallery 3.
Good job.
--
RonV
Joe Cilinceon
later use if ever. I might pull one up and decide I want to do something
else on it later. For example the 2 in the lower left (desert and boat) use
the same sky which I painted about a year before using it. If you notice the
dates also 1997 to 2000 is 3 years which your methods could change in. None
of these where done to be works of art but just something I do for
relaxation when I have time. The old truck took about 6 months from start to
finish so that might explain why all parts may not fit to you. But then you
can think what you like as I have the full size images (some with as many as
20 layers)
Gallery 2 are just studies of various methods of doing things and as such
are not complete in most cases or not much though give to the rest after
what I wanted to learn was completed. The wave with the moon is a good
example. Painted the wave and water then used Universe, Lunar Cell to finish
it off. These as also done using PSP, Painter and Photoshop sometimes on the
same image. This is also why it might look off to you. The image named
Balinda is a portrait of my late daughter done when she was 18 and is a
large acrylic hanging on my wall. She died September 13, 2001 at age 31. I
had taken a photograph of the painting to send to her on her 30 birthday and
posted it as a memorial for her after her death. As such it was never meant
to be in the gallery on this site. It was added in error. but I've never
mentioned it till now as these people seemed to want my painting bad enough
to post them. I was very content never to post another painting again.
Gallery 3 are composites, as clearly stated. Spirits has 2 indians which are
photographs, the eagle hand painted with the rest generated by Terragen. All
landscapes on this page are done using Terragen as stated with a little hand
painting done in some. The sea scape water is hand painted as are the birds
the rest is terragen. These where all eventually supposed to be for a
Terragen gallery, though I completely lost interest in putting up a Terragen
site.
Joe Cilinceon
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"Mike" <mi...@artistmike.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Joe Cilinceon wrote:
> >
> > http://www.dizteq.com/joestuff/gallery.html
>
>
> They look like photographs that have been played with, or parts of
> photographs plugged into drawings.
>
> I think I mentioned to you before that you have some things with sharp
> detail right next to things that are fuzzy and out of focus, this
> breaks the "spell" of a painting or drawing.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>
> . Logo Design .
Joe Cilinceon
computer generated with a little hand painting in some.
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Joe Cilinceon
using Painter 5 and is the last painting I've ever completed. It was done
while learning to use Painter 5 which is now all I will paint with.
--
Uni
Thank you. I'll have a look a bit later. I understand Artist Mike thinks
some of your work was stolen from photos, like Greg does. I'll be able
to tell! :-)
Uni
>
> Thank you RV and I hope you read the top paragraph that explains these are
> computer generated with a little hand painting in some.
Wait a second, Joe! First you tell me "I do not do generated paintings",
meaning ALL of your material IS 100% original, produced without the aid
of automated software. But now you say they ARE computer generated with
a touch of hand painting??????????!!!
Uni