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Dawood Sangameshwari
Thomas Stegen
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> I hope being with experts like u will help me a lot...
Especially if you read the faq:
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/faq.html
Happy C-ing.
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Bart Kowalski
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Not unless you choose which language you're going to use:
C:
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/cclass/cclass.html
http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html
or C++:
http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq-lite/
Bart.
sn4ip3r
programming skills .....
"Dawood Sangameshwari" <dawoo...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Bart Kowalski
> /me thought that this was a newsgroup about game design not C/C++
> programming skills .....
Referring to which newsgroup? Check the cross-posts.
And BTW, C/C++ is a non-existent entity so it doesn't make sense to
talk about it.
Bart.
Nathan Mates
Bart Kowalski <m...@nospam.com> wrote:
>And BTW, C/C++ is a non-existent entity so it doesn't make sense to
>talk about it.
So nonexistant that it has a magazine with that in its name, though
I think that merely drives some overly sensitive types like you mad
just to see http://www.cuj.com/ . C/C++ may not have an ISO/ANSI
standard, true. However, it is sometimes useful to refer to them
together based on their similarities and heritage, rather than their
differences.
Nathan Mates
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Victor Bazarov
Statement is about programming skills, not a language. I would
actually consider "C/C++ programming skills" a valid combination
of words because the languages are similar and do work well
together.
Victor
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Finny Merrill
>
>
>Statement is about programming skills, not a language. I would
>actually consider "C/C++ programming skills" a valid combination
>of words because the languages are similar and do work well
>together.
The correct term is "C and C++"
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Programmer Dude
> The correct term is "C and C++"
Which unpedantically shortens nicely to C/C++. Ppppt.
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Kamilche
> I hope being with experts like u will help me a lot...
Well, I'm not an expert yet, but I welcome you as well.
Have you ever heard of the saying, "Can't see the forest for the
trees?" (grin) It's a phrase meaning "getting so caught up in the
details, you've can't see the big picture". You can tell from the
response to your post, there's a lot of that here on comp.lang.c.
I don't know why it's that way, it is annoying, but sometimes they're
helpful while simultaneously water-torturing you over nitpicky
details, so I put up with it. LOL!
And don't worry about stepping on anyone's toes here, no one else
does. I think it's some sort of 'hazing' ritual for this newsgroup, a
'how many times can you take having cold water dashed on your face'
sort of affair. It doesn't take much of that before you either leave,
or start pushing back. :-P :-)
--Kamilche
Homer Meyer
"Kamilche" <klac...@home.com> wrote in message
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> dawoo...@yahoo.co.uk (Dawood Sangameshwari) wrote in message
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>
> > I hope being with experts like u will help me a lot...
>
> Well, I'm not an expert yet, but I welcome you as well.
>
> Have you ever heard of the saying, "Can't see the forest for the
> trees?" (grin) It's a phrase meaning "getting so caught up in the
> details, you've can't see the big picture". You can tell from the
> response to your post, there's a lot of that here on comp.lang.c.
>
> I don't know why it's that way, it is annoying, but sometimes they're
> helpful while simultaneously water-torturing you over nitpicky
> details, so I put up with it. LOL!
The reason that a lot of people (at least in comp.lang.c++, but I imagine
that it's similar in comp.lang.c) are nitpicky is that accuracy is very
highly regarded. If an otherwise correct repsonse is wrong in a single
small detail, then someone who doesn't know better may be misled by the
inaccuracy. Over here, it is generally accepted that it's better to post a
correction than to let the mistake stand uncorrected. You should not take
it as a personal attack. Here's what the welcome message for comp.lang.c++
says:
================
A note on comp.lang.c++ etiquette: Accuracy is valued very highly in this
newsgroup; therefore posts are frequently corrected, sometimes perhaps
too harshly, and often to the annoyance of new posters who consider the
correction trivial. Do not take it personally; the best way to fit in
with comp.lang.c++ is to express gratitude for the correction, move on,
and be more careful next time.
================
Joel Wellington
Kamilche
> Over here, it is generally accepted that it's better to post a
> correction than to let the mistake stand uncorrected. You should not take
> it as a personal attack...
Yeah, I've had a couple of people send me off on detours so far that
were incorrect, and if anyone had corrected them, it would have saved
me lots of trouble. But arguing over the use of sentence fragments vs.
complete sentences, and the unloved term C/C++, is indicative of the
type of 'overkill' that I as a newbie find annoying. I'm not here for
a grammar check, or the slapping down of undesirable buzzwords. :-D
There are so many unrelated bits that are 'corrected', that the real
answers are lost in the blaze.
--Kamilche
Homer Meyer
Hang around long enough and you will see that people who generally use the
term C/C++ tend to confuse the two languages. The "C/C++" term tends to
lead beginners to believe that the languages are pretty much the same. The
reality is that the two are very different languages. The idioms, patterns,
and paridigms in common use in each language do differ.
With regard to grammar and spelling corrections, that's something that I
don't see a lot of here in comp.lang.c++ except for correcting misused
terminology. That's to the OP's advantage, because if you cannot make
yourself understood, how are you going to get a useable answer to your
question? Pure grammar and spelling errors are almost never corrected.
Most regulars here seem to understand that English is not everyone's native
language, and that people do make occasional mistakes. The only times that
I can recall seeing spelling or grammer questioned were when it interfered
with understanding the post.
Of course there's always the occasional thread, such as this one, where
people have a bit of fun. :-)
Daniel Fox
"Programmer Dude" <cjso...@mmm.com> wrote in message
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> Finny Merrill wrote:
>
> > The correct term is "C and C++"
>
> Which unpedantically shortens nicely to C/C++. Ppppt.
So if you program in P/LI, you're programming in P and LI at the same time?
-Daniel
Victor Bazarov
Don't you mean PL/I? BTW, I always program in C or in C++, never
in both at the same time (well, unless I am writing a header that
will be used in both, but that's not really programming).
Neil Butterworth
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> "Daniel Fox" <danielfox200...@hotmail.com> wrote...
> >
> > "Programmer Dude" <cjso...@mmm.com> wrote in message
> > news:3C852246...@mmm.com...
> > > Finny Merrill wrote:
> > >
> > > > The correct term is "C and C++"
> > >
> > > Which unpedantically shortens nicely to C/C++. Ppppt.
> >
> > So if you program in P/LI, you're programming in P and LI at the same
> time?
>
>
> Don't you mean PL/I?
Actually, shouldn't it be PL/1 (for "programming language one")?
NeilB
Ron Natalie
Neil Butterworth wrote:
> > Don't you mean PL/I?
>
> Actually, shouldn't it be PL/1 (for "programming language one")?
>
Actually it is PL/I for programming language ROMAN NUMERAL one.
Both IBM and ANSI use I not 1.
The best of COBOL and structured programming rolled into one.
Neil Butterworth
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>
>
> Neil Butterworth wrote:
>
> > > Don't you mean PL/I?
> >
> > Actually, shouldn't it be PL/1 (for "programming language one")?
> >
>
> Actually it is PL/I for programming language ROMAN NUMERAL one.
> Both IBM and ANSI use I not 1.
Aha! So Gary Kildall's PL/M was actually "programming language one
thousand", not "programming language/microcomputers" :-)
NeilB
Tim Robinson
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| > > The correct term is "C and C++"
| > Which unpedantically shortens nicely to C/C++. Ppppt.
| So if you program in P/LI, you're programming in P and LI at the same
time?
So is my keyboard PS, or 2, or both?
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Victor Bazarov
> "Daniel Fox" <danielfox200...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:y1vh8.5735$Yd.2...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
> | > > The correct term is "C and C++"
> | > Which unpedantically shortens nicely to C/C++. Ppppt.
> | So if you program in P/LI, you're programming in P and LI at the same
> time?
>
> So is my keyboard PS, or 2, or both?
Your keyboard is _a_half_ PS ((just like the notorious
OS is not a full OS, but a half). The right-slanted line
is an _overloaded_ symbol to mean division in that case.
Tim Robinson
| > So is my keyboard PS, or 2, or both?
| Your keyboard is _a_half_ PS ((just like the notorious
| OS is not a full OS, but a half). The right-slanted line
| is an _overloaded_ symbol to mean division in that case.
Yes, of course. So what does that make OS/370 then?
Mike Wahler
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> "Victor Bazarov" <vAba...@dAnai.com> wrote in message
> news:Zfwh8.7127$A%3.6...@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> | > So is my keyboard PS, or 2, or both?
> | Your keyboard is _a_half_ PS ((just like the notorious
> | OS is not a full OS, but a half). The right-slanted line
> | is an _overloaded_ symbol to mean division in that case.
>
> Yes, of course. So what does that make OS/370 then?
Something that brings back fond memories for me. :-)
-Mike
CBFalconer
>
> "Victor Bazarov" <vAba...@dAnai.com> wrote in message
> news:Zfwh8.7127$A%3.6...@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> | > So is my keyboard PS, or 2, or both?
> | Your keyboard is _a_half_ PS ((just like the notorious
> | OS is not a full OS, but a half). The right-slanted line
> | is an _overloaded_ symbol to mean division in that case.
>
> Yes, of course. So what does that make OS/370 then?
A non terminating binary fraction.
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Mike Wahler
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> Tim Robinson wrote:
> >
> > "Victor Bazarov" <vAba...@dAnai.com> wrote in message
> > news:Zfwh8.7127$A%3.6...@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> > | > So is my keyboard PS, or 2, or both?
> > | Your keyboard is _a_half_ PS ((just like the notorious
> > | OS is not a full OS, but a half). The right-slanted line
> > | is an _overloaded_ symbol to mean division in that case.
> >
> > Yes, of course. So what does that make OS/370 then?
>
> A non terminating binary fraction.
What's the current phase of the moon?
Everyone seems to be in a mood today. :-)
-Mike
CBFalconer
>
> "Victor Bazarov" <vAba...@dAnai.com> wrote in message
> news:Zfwh8.7127$A%3.6...@ord-read.news.verio.net...
> | > So is my keyboard PS, or 2, or both?
> | Your keyboard is _a_half_ PS ((just like the notorious
> | OS is not a full OS, but a half). The right-slanted line
> | is an _overloaded_ symbol to mean division in that case.
>
> Yes, of course. So what does that make OS/370 then?
A non terminating binary fraction.
--
Robert Tweed
> Hang around long enough and you will see that people who generally use the
> term C/C++ tend to confuse the two languages. The "C/C++" term tends to
> lead beginners to believe that the languages are pretty much the same.
The
> reality is that the two are very different languages. The idioms,
patterns,
> and paridigms in common use in each language do differ.
I use the term C/C++ if I write something like this:
for( i=100; i; i-- ) *( ++pMemPointer ) = 0xaa;
Is that C code? Isn't it also valid C++? Let's not forget that the core
language *is* almost identical with obvious exceptions (otherwise they
wouldn't be different languages, would they?). I don't want to get into a
flame war here, but I think these pedantic arguments are fairly pointless.
As long as people are clear about what they mean, why shouldn't they write
C/C++ when there is overlap?
Maybe C|C++ would be a more accurate expression ;-)
- Robert
Gerry Quinn
>
>Hang around long enough and you will see that people who generally use the
>term C/C++ tend to confuse the two languages. The "C/C++" term tends to
>lead beginners to believe that the languages are pretty much the same. The
>reality is that the two are very different languages. The idioms, patterns,
>and paridigms in common use in each language do differ.
If the expression *does* have a valid use, as you more or less concede
here, then criticising every use of it irrespective of context is
similar to accusing people of being morons simply because of the ISP
they use.
Gerry Quinn
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Nick Keighley
I thought it was the worst of COBOL and FORTRAN all rolled into one? :-)
Most of the PL/I articals I read seemed to start "so what do you *think* this
does?" and then went on to explain why you were wrong.
--
Nick Keighley
It could be that in Java's case I'm mistaken. It could be that a
language promoted by one big company to undermine another, designed
by a committee for a "mainstream" audience, hyped to the skies,
and beloved of the DoD, happens nonetheless to be a clean, beautiful,
powerful language that I would love programming in. It could be,
but it seems very unlikely.
Richard Heathfield
>
<snip>
> The only times that
> I can recall seeing spelling or grammer questioned were when it interfered
> with understanding the post.
It's "grammar", not "grammer".
> Of course there's always the occasional thread, such as this one, where
> people have a bit of fun. :-)
Of course there's always the occasional thread, such as this one, where
people have a bit of fun.
If course there's always the occasional thread, such as this one, where
people have a abit of fmun.
If wourse there'n arways then occaionad ghread, such cas this oane,
whene peuple haave a abilt of fmunt.
If woure thereon arrays theln ocainonad ghraad, such cast this oange,
whane peusle hamave ar abilt fo fomunt.
If wore thendon orrays thelln oainonad ghraar, sch casst thir langue,
whand phusle hamage ar abilt fo fomuniat.
If woe thandon corrays thellin oainnad ghramar, sch cassut thir languae,
whand thusle hamage or abilt fo fomuniate.
If we tbandon corrayt thelling ainnad ghrammar, seh cassupt toir
languae, hand thuse hamage or abilt fo fommuniate.
If we abandon correyt shelling ainad grammar, weh carrupt tour language
and thus damage our abilty fo communiate.
If we abandon correct spelling and grammar, we corrupt our language and
thus damage our ability to communicate.
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Homer Meyer
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> Homer Meyer wrote:
<SNIP>
> > Of course there's always the occasional thread, such as this one, where
> > people have a bit of fun. :-)
>
> Of course there's always the occasional thread, such as this one, where
> people have a bit of fun.
> If course there's always the occasional thread, such as this one, where
> people have a abit of fmun.
> If wourse there'n arways then occaionad ghread, such cas this oane,
> whene peuple haave a abilt of fmunt.
> If woure thereon arrays theln ocainonad ghraad, such cast this oange,
> whane peusle hamave ar abilt fo fomunt.
> If wore thendon orrays thelln oainonad ghraar, sch casst thir langue,
> whand phusle hamage ar abilt fo fomuniat.
> If woe thandon corrays thellin oainnad ghramar, sch cassut thir languae,
> whand thusle hamage or abilt fo fomuniate.
> If we tbandon corrayt thelling ainnad ghrammar, seh cassupt toir
> languae, hand thuse hamage or abilt fo fommuniate.
> If we abandon correyt shelling ainad grammar, weh carrupt tour language
> and thus damage our abilty fo communiate.
> If we abandon correct spelling and grammar, we corrupt our language and
> thus damage our ability to communicate.
LOL! Agreed!
Daniel Fox
> I can recall seeing spelling or grammer questioned were when it interfered
> with understanding the post.
What is grammer? :)
-Daniel
Mark McIntyre
Peter Cowderoy
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Gerry Quinn wrote:
> If the expression *does* have a valid use, as you more or less concede
> here, then criticising every use of it irrespective of context is
> similar to accusing people of being morons simply because of the ISP
> they use.
>
You're not a closet Arsehole On-Line are you Gerry? ;-)
I'm supposed to put a quote here?
Gerry Quinn
>
>On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Gerry Quinn wrote:
>
>> If the expression *does* have a valid use, as you more or less concede
>> here, then criticising every use of it irrespective of context is
>> similar to accusing people of being morons simply because of the ISP
>> they use.
>>
>You're not a closet Arsehole On-Line are you Gerry? ;-)
No - but a substantial fraction of my customers use it, so I conclude
that a lot of AOL users are discerning individuals with money to spend!
Robert Tweed
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I sense a "color" vs "colour" debate approaching...
:-)
- Robert
Brandon Van Every
"Dawood Sangameshwari" <dawoo...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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> I hope being with experts like u will help me a lot...
Welcome! But hey, blah, please don't crosspost c.g.d.design to the C and
C++ newsgroups. *.design is supposed to be for game design, game rules, and
what makes things fun in games and so forth, not programming. The
c.g.d.programming.algorithms and c.g.d.programming.misc groups are for the
programming stuff.
Oh, and be advised that on Usenet, you should take everyone's so-called
"expertise" with a few million grains of salt. :-) Feel free to recognize
when someone may know more about something than you do, but don't sell
yourself short or imagine an infallible cadre of special human beings out
there. Nothing is so special.
Hope you find what you need in the c.g.d.design group.
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80% is gobbledygook we make up inside our own heads.