Apple IIGS emulator for netbook?
limtc
I am planning to purchase a netbook primary for running as an Apple
IIGS emulator - that is, it boots into Apple IIGS and will be used as
an Apple IIGS notebook. I think netbook is perfect as it has a lower
resolution and if an Apple IIGS emulator can run full screen it will
be great!
The question is: is this possible? For Linux or for Windows XP? Which
will you recommend if possible? Currently both my favourite Apple IIGS
emulators are running on Mac (one for classic Mac and one for OS X),
but there are no Mac-based netbook...
RitterSport
KEGS runs fine on my Asus eeePC 701 (one of the first netbooks out
there) in Linux (Xandros is what I've run it on. I just installed
Ubuntu 9.04, but I haven't tried KEGS yet). I'm not that proficient
in Linux yet, but I imagine you can configure it to launch KEGS at
startup and go fullscreen. I'm pretty comfortable in a Windows
environment, but I've never attempted to have Windows startup,
immediately launch into a fullscreen app and stay there. In any case,
some light Linux (like puppy or something like that) would probably
boot up more quickly anyway. Since you'd be using this practically as
an imbedded OS, Linux is probably the way to go.
sfahey
Re: Apple IIGS emulator for netbook?
By: limtc to comp.emulators.apple2 on Tue May 05 2009 05:18 am
> I am planning to purchase a netbook primary for running as an Apple
> IIGS emulator - that is, it boots into Apple IIGS and will be used as
I use a Dell Mini 9, converted into a HackBook and use it for Sweet 16 and
Virtual II with very good results.
Sean Fahey
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limtc
it is quite cheap here.
However, I am not familiar with its UNIX - are we able to install a
program like KEGS on it? I thought it is a close system with
everything pre-installed?
I am also not familiar with KEGS on Linux, is it as bad as on the
Windows? In Windows, often the mouse seems to be stuck to only a
portion of the screen, and some other issues. If you have some
experience on this, let me know!
limtc
To convert it to Mac just to use it as an Apple IIGS emulator! This is
really something! How well does this work? Any issues so far?
On 5月5日, 下午9时29分, "sfahey" <sfa...@a2central.com.remove-113-this>
wrote:
RitterSport
> Interesting! This is actually one of the machine I have an eye on...
> it is quite cheap here.
>
> However, I am not familiar with its UNIX - are we able to install a
> program like KEGS on it? I thought it is a close system with
> everything pre-installed?
>
> I am also not familiar with KEGS on Linux, is it as bad as on the
> Windows? In Windows, often the mouse seems to be stuck to only a
> portion of the screen, and some other issues. If you have some
> experience on this, let me know!
I never knew the IIGS at all, my experience was with the II, II+, and
IIe, so I don't know how good the performance is relative to the real
thing. I can't really help you there. You can run Linux off of a CD
on any PC (or off of a USB drive on newer PCs) and try it out. You
might have to compile KEGS manually -- I think that's what I did to
get it to work on the eeePC, but I'm not positive about that. You're
already getting to the limits of my knowledge of Linux and past the
limits of my knowledge of the IIGS.
In Linux, there's a program call WINE that sort-of emulates a Windows
environment for PC programs -- you could try KEGS in that as well if
you get Linux up and running.
Linards Ticmanis
> In Linux, there's a program call WINE that sort-of emulates a Windows
> environment for PC programs -- you could try KEGS in that as well if
> you get Linux up and running.
uhhh... double emulation. "Wine Is Not an Emulator" of course, but still
slower than (and not quite 100% compatible with) native Windows. I'm not
sure if I'd consider that a good idea.
Another thing: given that the last KEGS release (0.91) was in late 2004,
you might have to make some slight changes to the source code to get it
to compile under Linux. The C compiler in newer Linux releases tends to
be pickier than that in older ones, so it is possible that it might
choke on some constructs. The changes will likely be minimal, but at
least a little knowledge of C programming would probably needed to do
them (if they are in fact necessary).
--
Linards Ticmanis
sfahey
Re: Re: Apple IIGS emulator for netbook?
By: limtc to comp.emulators.apple2 on Tue May 05 2009 07:40 am
> To convert it to Mac just to use it as an Apple IIGS emulator! This is
> really something! How well does this work? Any issues so far?
Well, no ... I bought it specifically to get a ultra-portable Mac (since Apple
doesn't have a similar offering yet, and cheaper too).
It works exceptionally well.
See my other post -- it's also the primary peripheral for my Apple //c Plus.
Sean Fahey
www.a2central.com
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Bill Buckels
"sfahey" <sfa...@a2central.com.remove-113-this> wrote:
>I use a Dell Mini 9, converted into a HackBook and use it for Sweet 16 and
>Virtual II with very good results.
Sean,
I would be interested in learning more about this as well. I use Basilisk II
as a Mac Emulator on my Windows XP. Kegs is better than no GS but perhaps
Sweet 16 would be better running under Basilisk II.
Food for thought I guess.
Billl
Jerry
[...]
> Another thing: given that the last KEGS release (0.91) was in late 2004,
> you might have to make some slight changes to the source code to get it
> to compile under Linux. The C compiler in newer Linux releases tends to
> be pickier than that in older ones, so it is possible that it might
> choke on some constructs. The changes will likely be minimal, but at
> least a little knowledge of C programming would probably needed to do
> them (if they are in fact necessary).
It still builds fine under gcc-4.3.2 (and runs fine too :) ).
--
--
Jerry awanderin at yahoo dot ca
limtc
sfahey
Re: Re: Apple IIGS emulator for netbook?
> I would be interested in learning more about this as well. I use Basilisk II
> as a Mac Emulator on my Windows XP. Kegs is better than no GS but perhaps
> Sweet 16 would be better running under Basilisk II.
You would want to try Bernie, I think -- not Sweet 16.
Sean Fahey
www.a2central.com
bbs.a2central.com
BluPhoenyx
Linards Ticmanis wrote:
> RitterSport wrote:
>
>> In Linux, there's a program call WINE that sort-of emulates a Windows
>> environment for PC programs -- you could try KEGS in that as well if
>> you get Linux up and running.
>
> uhhh... double emulation. "Wine Is Not an Emulator" of course, but still
> slower than (and not quite 100% compatible with) native Windows. I'm not
> sure if I'd consider that a good idea.
This method actually works better than you might think. With current
systems the loss of speed is negligible. I use this for Applewin and
CiderPress. Since Kegs can run natively under Linux it doesn't need
Wine. Both versions, as written by Kent Dickey, function the same so
there is no real benefit in using the Windows version except it is
already compiled.
> Another thing: given that the last KEGS release (0.91) was in late 2004,
> you might have to make some slight changes to the source code to get it
> to compile under Linux. The C compiler in newer Linux releases tends to
> be pickier than that in older ones, so it is possible that it might
> choke on some constructs. The changes will likely be minimal, but at
> least a little knowledge of C programming would probably needed to do
> them (if they are in fact necessary).
Currently, this is not an issue WRT the original Kegs. I suspect that if
it becomes an issue that Kent will be willing to fix it.
Sadly, there is no full screen mode in Kegs. There is an SDL variant
which supports a fullscreen mode using SDL/DirectFB but it's an older
version of Kegs which requires editing the configuration file by hand.
This could be done by logging into a new session and swapping between
the two using <alt><f1> and <alt><f2>. Not seamless but functional. Note
that I have not tried this.
Kegs32 for Windows has a full screen mode. It should be possible to run
it from the user's startup folder but I don't think it will run full
screen at startup.
Cheers,
Mike T
limtc
saw this in my life...).
Sweet16 is the best one out there that's for sure, I especially love
the full screen mode, except that it is hard to toggle between Mac and
GS full screen in OS X (Minimizing does not work, also cannot use CTRL
arrow to switch between Spaces), otherwise perfect solution.
Think probably I will wait for an Apple netbook!
On 5月6日, 上午4时31分, "sfahey" <sfa...@a2central.com.remove-q9n-this>
wrote:
Drew
wrote:
Hi Sean,
Does Sweet 16 2.0 run ok on the mini 9? It has made me think about
getting one and just wondered if 2.0 ran ok and sound was all clear
etc.
Cheers
Andrew
Michael
> will you recommend if possible? Currently both my favourite Apple IIGS
> emulators are running on Mac (one for classic Mac and one for OS X),
> but there are no Mac-based netbook...
I use my Acer Aspire One, ($300 from Frys!) to develop AppleWin (when
I don't have access to my main box.)
With 8 hrs of battery life, I don't have to worry about my reverse
engineering of games getting shut down right in the middle, when I'm
not playing Diablo 2 :-)
KEGS should run fine (haven't tested though)
You can "unofficially" install / run OSX on netbooks, but don't know
about performance.