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Joseph Brenner <d...@kzsu.stanford.edu> writes:

> Daniel Weinreb <d...@alum.mit.edu> writes:
> 
> > I rarely use the menu bar.  On the other hand, I was raised on an
> > Emacs that didn't have a menu bar, so I could be atypical.
> 
> I don't know about atypical.  Much of the emacs-user base is older
> users.  Kids these days don't see the point.

I think it's more about how you use Emacs than how old you are.

The menu bar is sometimes convenient, but it really slows things down
when you're running Emacs as an X client tunneling through ssh on a
DSL line to a remote server.  (Actually, in those conditions you
really need to build Emacs with the old X toolkit instead of the
extremely heavyweight GTK).

And the menu bar is just silly when you need to run Emacs on a
terminal console while debugging a window system, or if your only
access is through a terminal emulator like Putty.

I always disable the menu bar so I can keep my .emacs simpler across
the diverse environments I develop from.  It's just better to learn to
do without it.

-- Mark