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Xah Lee  
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 More options Apr 3 2012, 1:53 am
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp, comp.emacs, comp.lang.python, comp.lang.perl.misc
From: Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 22:53:11 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Apr 3 2012 1:53 am
Subject: Google Tech Talk: lisp at JPL
Dearly beloved lisperati,

I present you, Ron Garret (aka Erann Gat — aka Naggum hater and enemy
of Kenny Tilton), at Google Tech Talk

〈The Remote Agent Experiment: Debugging Code from 60 Million Miles
Away〉
Google Tech Talk, (2012-02-14) Presented by Ron Garret. @
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gZK0tW8EhQ

i just started watching, havn't done yet.

(thx jcs's blog for the news)

PS posted to python and perl forums too, because i think might be
interesting for lang aficionados . Reply to just your community
please.

 Xah


 
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ccc31807  
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 More options Apr 4 2012, 11:47 am
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp, comp.emacs, comp.lang.python, comp.lang.perl.misc
From: ccc31807 <carte...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, Apr 4 2012 11:47 am
Subject: Re: Google Tech Talk: lisp at JPL
On Apr 3, 1:53 am, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 〈The Remote Agent Experiment: Debugging Code from 60 Million Miles
> Away〉
> Google Tech Talk, (2012-02-14) Presented by Ron Garret. @http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gZK0tW8EhQ

RG mentions giving a more technical version to a Lisp User Group. Any
chance that this talk is publicly available?

My reaction to this talk, particularly the part near the end, is that
NASA isn't alone. RG uses terms like 'rudderless institutions',
'outreach', 'mission', and others, which would be appropriate when
talking about religious institutions, i.e., churches. I'm not sure
that his prescriptions are addressed to the underlying causes, but
they certainly deal with the symptoms.

As to the question about Python vs. Lisp, I though RG's reaction
(wanting to shed a tear or two) was telling. Languages are tools that
users use to accomplish tasks. Apparently, Python has the appearance
of being a 'better' tool to accomplish programming tasks (at Google,
since that's the context) than Lisp.

My take FWIW is to learn many languages and use them appropriately. In
connection with my job, I recently did a comparison of several
different tasks in C++, ColdFusion, Perl, and Lisp. I use Perl
(mostly) and the tasks were those for which Perl is suited. The
functions are now written in ColdFusion (they are part of a web app.)
I use Lisp in order to highlight the verbosity and ease of different
languages, and even though using Lisp is totally impossible (speaking
to my employer's environment) I can tell you that the Lisp part of the
comparison received the most comment, and the most interesting
comments.

Thanks for the talk, Ron, I really enjoyed it, and wish you (and NASA)
all the best.

CC.


 
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 More options Apr 5 2012, 11:49 am
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp, comp.emacs, comp.lang.python, comp.lang.perl.misc
From: RG <rNOSPA...@flownet.com>
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:49:28 -0700
Local: Thurs, Apr 5 2012 11:49 am
Subject: Re: Google Tech Talk: lisp at JPL
In article
<6a4a234d-db48-4659-8714-098d79fb9...@l30g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,

 ccc31807 <carte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 3, 1:53ハam, Xah Lee <xah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 〈The Remote Agent Experiment: Debugging Code from 60 Million Miles
> > Away〉
> > Google Tech Talk, (2012-02-14) Presented by Ron Garret.
> > @http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gZK0tW8EhQ

> RG mentions giving a more technical version to a Lisp User Group. Any
> chance that this talk is publicly available?

Nope.  It wasn't recorded.  Sorry.

> Thanks for the talk, Ron, I really enjoyed it, and wish you (and NASA)
> all the best.

I haven't worked at NASA for nearly ten years now, but thanks for the
kinds words nonetheless.

rg


 
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