Fraud Number 4 Kenneth Downs

[Cimode]

This one is too easy...I will propose it for debunkning quote of the
week...

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//Kenneth Downs//
You don't have to worry all that much about what the relational model
allows
or doesn't allow. As anybody here can tell you, there are no pure
relational databases in the Real World.

(--> to make short: don't bother with fundamental knowledge because it
is not currently implemented...)

(--> He goes further stating that SQL is the quasi relational....LOL
LOL LOL)

What we have is quasi-relational table-based systems that in fact can
handle
processes very well.

//Me//
(Curious I asked him...)

I am puzzled by this
statement...Everything in my experience teaches me that the current SQL

implementation have recurring problems because they actuall y do not
support correctly relational concepts...

(I spare you the rest of his idiotic, it makes my knee hurt!!!)
Just a quote for my favorite...
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So sure, the RM can't do it, but who cares? Table-centric systems can.

//

[Erwin]

What should application builders do ?

Stop building and refuse to resume building until that perfect TRDBMS
comes along ?

Or try to make the best of it using what crippled means and tools they
do have ?

[Cimode]

Erwin wrote:
> What should application builders do ?
>
> Stop building and refuse to resume building until that perfect TRDBMS
> comes along ?

Nope...They of course, do not have to stop. They are just making a
living and so do I.

Application programmers have sufficient challenges they do not
sufficiently adress in applicative layer to worry about a data
management layer (regulated by complex rules for preserving data
integrity).

I rather perceive them as victims of a system of thought that produces
nothing but ignorance of science fundamentals of data management and
enraged ignorants. I expose in the threads that carry their name under
the form of the nonsense of their I will quote.

> Or try to make the best of it using what crippled means and tools they
> do have ?

*Making the best out of it* is a honorable thought of working men...(I
know I am one of them)...

To be able to make the best out of a limited technology such as SQL,
one must know its limitations to be sure they are never reached. To do
that one must understand fundamental data management of RM as a
reference of performance for day to day operation on SQL systems. But
SQL Systems should never be a reference to try to define RM...