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Oracle support: we give up

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W. C. Epperson

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Dec 22, 1994, 9:11:05 AM12/22/94
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Our attempts to upgrade from 6.0.36 to 6.0.37 in order to maintain V6 support
while we plan our V7 migration have been futile. Oracle Support has been less
than worthless through the entire effort, which is typical of our experience
with their service offerings. We currently find that although SQLdba and
SQLPlus recognize and use the connect string in the TWO_TASK environment
variable, the other tools do not. We got to this point of buggy functionality
only by hacking our way through install scripts and makefiles with syntax
errors and brain-dead logic ("chmod 644 $file;./$file").

Given the value-subtracted nature of Oracle support, we are rolling back to
version 6.0.36, reasoning that a non-supported working version beats hell
out of a supported non-working version.

Oracle support: go forth and multiply.

W.C. Epperson "These are my opinions and not those of
Sr. SE the Virginia Department of Education."
Va. Dept. of Ed.

kp

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Dec 28, 1994, 11:17:12 PM12/28/94
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In article <D17u2...@pen.k12.va.us> eppe...@pen.k12.va.us (W. C. Epperson) writes:
>Our attempts to upgrade from 6.0.36 to 6.0.37 in order to maintain V6 support
>while we plan our V7 migration have been futile. Oracle Support has been less
>than worthless through the entire effort, which is typical of our experience
>with their service offerings. We currently find that although SQLdba and
>SQLPlus recognize and use the connect string in the TWO_TASK environment
>variable, the other tools do not. We got to this point of buggy functionality
>only by hacking our way through install scripts and makefiles with syntax
>errors and brain-dead logic ("chmod 644 $file;./$file").

What! Are you actually trying to use oracle's install scripts? Don't do that;
they never work. You have to reverse engineer the whole thing and create your
own install scripts (you can have a working V6 database that takes up
about 10MB disk space (plus database) for the /usr/oracle directory).

My favorite one is when installing Oracle V7.1.3 on AIX (sucks) from a CD,
Oracle's install script tries to create temporary files on the CD!

>
>Given the value-subtracted nature of Oracle support, we are rolling back to
>version 6.0.36, reasoning that a non-supported working version beats hell
>out of a supported non-working version.

6.0.36 works!

>
>Oracle support: go forth and multiply.

Or at least go.

>
>W.C. Epperson "These are my opinions and not those of
>Sr. SE the Virginia Department of Education."
>Va. Dept. of Ed.

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Dec 30, 1994, 2:31:03 PM12/30/94
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Dear W.C.:

Thought you might know of some people who might be qualified and interested in
several Oracle related jobs we have available at Xircom. I've attached job
descriptions for the available jobs. Would appreciate it if you would pass
them along to potential leads/candidates, or refer leads to me for follow up.
All 3 positions offer extraordinary opportunities within a company experiencing
geometric growth.

Regards,

G. Jong
Director of Recruitment
Xircom


ORACLE Implementation Project Leader:

Will have overall responsibility for implementing and upgrading Oracle
Application Systems world-wide (US, Europe, Asia) including:

* Developing project schedules and organize projects to achieve
major project goals

* Managing Oracle implementation projects in Europe and Asia

* Managing Oracle migration projects to new releases world-wide

* Communicating project status to project steering committee

* Conducting regular project meetings with project team members

* Tracking project/system issues and insure resources are available
to resolve/complete work in a timely manner

Requirements:

* Bachelor's degree in a related field

* Five years experience in systems analysis within a manufacturing
environment, with a minimum of two years programming experience

* Previous experience implementing and upgrading application
systems, ideally, Oracle on a multi-national level

* Capability and willingness to travel abroad; specifically, Europe and
Asia

Salary: $75k - 90K with stock participation.
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Systems Analyst:

* A BS degree in Computer Science/Information Systems

* A minimum of 2 years programming experience (ORACLE Applications in a

Windows/Novell/Unix environment is highly desirable)

* Three years experience in systems analysis

* Previous experience within a manufacturing environment.

The position requires a team player who is customer-service and quality
oriented with the ability to solve problems and achieve results in a
timely fashion.

The selected individual will have overall responsibility for the
implementation and support of the application modules for one of three
areas of users (Operations, Finance, or Sales/Marketing).

Salary: $50-65k with stock participation
**********************************************************************

Network Systems Engineer :

A BS degree and a minimum of 4 years experience in a 200+ user network, a
minimum of one year of experience inNetWare administration, and CNE
certification. Familiarity with Uix, Novell, Windows (NT), OS/2, Internet
and Synoptics/Cisco hardware is highly desirable.

The selected individual will have the opportunity to architect a "Premier
Multinational Network" which will be robust (eg. 100% availability with
sub-second response time) and feature-rich (eg. FDDI or ATM backbone,
Ethernet/FDDI/ATM switches, routers, "super servers", server for HD-to-HD
backup, tape drives, Unix, Netware, NT, OS/2, Windows, MacIntosh, email).

Salary: $65-75k with stock participation

Interested/qualified candidates are welcome to email resumes to:
jo...@xircom.com; fax resumes to 805-376-9030; or mail resumes to: Xircom,
2300 Corporate Center Drive, Thousand Oaks, CA 91320.

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