Annoying delay of 10.2.0.4
Mladen Gogala
There are many bugs, for various platforms, some of them extremely
critical (wrong results with ANSI joins or even with hash joins).
Oracle launched Oracle11 before fixing oracle 10.2 to an acceptable
state. Are we being pushed into Oracle11 or is Oracle Corp. conducting
some kind of politics at the expense of its customers? It does look
much like a business equivalent of Iraq war. Will Oracle fix Oracle10
and when? What will be the future policy with patchsets? The worse code
gets, the fewer patchsets they produce.
I wonder whether it is time to recommend UDB to my management. All the
apps are using Hibernate and WebLogic, switching to UDB should not be
that difficult. I am extremely annoyed with Oracle Corp. I am not sure
whether having so irritated customers is a sound business policy, but I
am inclined to make my management vote with their wallet. That is about
the only thing I can do. After all, my allegiance goes to my management,
not to the company that is pulling my leg and refusing to fix the darned
mess they call Oracle10.
Once upon a time, in a galaxy not so far away from here, there was a
company called DEC in Maynard, MA. and it was the 2nd largest company
in the computer industry. That company was behaving much like Oracle
behaves today and caused anger and ire to their customers. That company
sleeps with the fishes, together with their venerable operating system,
once very much loved VMS. That should be the ultimate lesson for arrogant
software companies. It maybe the right time to teach Oracle Corp. that
lesson.
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joel garry
They did it to move people _to_ VMS too, in case that wasn't what you
were referring to. They had a great deal of success with that.
Could any company have been more arrogant than IBM? Especially in the
50's, when the gummint had to beat them down. And the 60's regardless
of the beat-down. And are they yet any smaller than anyone else? The
market stratified, but grew more than each strata.
Don't you think the real problem might be the general avoidance of
responsibility for software problems? That's what laws and regulation
are for. MS, IBM and Oracle all have managed to innovate ahead of
the legal milieu. This has had good and bad effects. Too much
success breeds arrogance. There needs to be a carrot and a stick.
The stick is legal and financial consequences. The carrot is positive
financial consequences. How can we make it appear to Those In Control
that long-term customer goodwill is financially rewarding?
Threatening to leave because apps consider the db a bucket works both
ways, neither long-term.
Bugs in the db? Not even a gnat bothering the elephants.
You want _more_ patchsets? :-)
jg
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DA Morgan
> Let's face it: the code quality of Oracle 10 is worse then dirt.
> There are many bugs, for various platforms, some of them extremely
> critical (wrong results with ANSI joins or even with hash joins).
> Oracle launched Oracle11 before fixing oracle 10.2 to an acceptable
> state. Are we being pushed into Oracle11 or is Oracle Corp. conducting
> some kind of politics at the expense of its customers? It does look
> much like a business equivalent of Iraq war. Will Oracle fix Oracle10
> and when? What will be the future policy with patchsets? The worse code
> gets, the fewer patchsets they produce.
Assuming a customer has been paying their support costs to Oracle,
required for either patches from metalink or upgrading to 11g, precisely
what is the difference between applying a patch that changes the version
number to 10.2.0.4 and one that changes it to 11.1.0.6?
Same requirement for testing.
Same requirement for backing up.
Similar requirement for each server.
Ok so bdump and udump go away. But other than that?
I think the level of angst and anger outweighs reality.
Yes 10g has some warts. I can point you to warts with every version of
every commercial and open source RDBMS. Yet somehow, in spite of those
warts, everyone from Amazon.com to EBay to Boeing to AT&T to Phillips to
Matsushita, to Bank of America, etc. seems to be finding it rather
useful. Where's the fire?
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University of Washington
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hpuxrac
> Let's face it: the code quality of Oracle 10 is worse then dirt.
> There are many bugs, for various platforms, some of them extremely
> critical (wrong results with ANSI joins or even with hash joins).
> Oracle launched Oracle11 before fixing oracle 10.2 to an acceptable
> state. Are we being pushed into Oracle11 or is Oracle Corp. conducting
> some kind of politics at the expense of its customers? It does look
> much like a business equivalent of Iraq war. Will Oracle fix Oracle10
> and when? What will be the future policy with patchsets? The worse code
> gets, the fewer patchsets they produce.
I don't think I am the only one being told that they are not
"planning" on fixing certain open bugs from a 10.2 environment and
that ( even though there is no fix yet ) certain fixes will only be in
an 11 environment.
Maybe we should get a support discount eh?