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Maxim Demenko

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Sep 23, 2007, 5:51:39 AM9/23/07
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Just read the
http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/oracle/guide/archives/recent-open-source-oracle-projects-19233
and thought - maybe it is interesting to share. I personally found the
mentioned http://ora-safe-search.sourceforge.net/ very useful.

Best regards

Maxim

Frank van Bortel

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Sep 23, 2007, 6:48:57 AM9/23/07
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:-)))

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Regards,
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Top-posting is one way to shut me up...
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Matthias Hoys

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Sep 23, 2007, 8:26:18 AM9/23/07
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"Maxim Demenko" <mdem...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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LOL ! Bookmarked :-)

userjohn

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Sep 24, 2007, 10:10:14 AM9/24/07
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>> Oracle Safe Search" is "Google Search" that does **NOT** display the
>> results from the www.dba-oracle.com web site
>>


what is wrong with dba-oracle.com ? bad info ? wrong info ?


DA Morgan

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Sep 24, 2007, 12:11:42 PM9/24/07
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Perhaps this will explain it far better than I could:
http://asktom.oracle.com/pls/ask/download_file?p_file=3067171813508366601
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Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
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Noons

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Sep 24, 2007, 12:21:20 PM9/24/07
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On Sep 25, 12:10 am, "userjohn" <userj...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> >> Oracle Safe Search" is "Google Search" that does **NOT** display the
> >> results from thewww.dba-oracle.comweb site

>
> what is wrong with dba-oracle.com ? bad info ? wrong info ?


OMG!

I got the feeling this is going to be another
looong and booooring thread...

joel garry

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Sep 24, 2007, 1:44:03 PM9/24/07
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On Sep 24, 9:21 am, Noons <wizofo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 25, 12:10 am, "userjohn" <userj...@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
> > >> Oracle Safe Search" is "Google Search" that does **NOT** display the
> > >> results from thewww.dba-oracle.comwebsite
>
> > what is wrong with dba-oracle.com ? bad info ? wrong info ?

That's a reasonable question. In a very small nutshell, Don Burleson
has published many books and articles, and many other people have gone
through and found some errors. Some of the errors have been
egregious, leading to many spats between different groups of Oracle
authors and gurus. Some of the authors show their work in a manner
that is easily replicable, so anyone can try it. Don tends to
pontificate, giving rules of thumb and hints, without generally
stating all the limitations. There are some problems that don't lend
themselves to easy or cheap demonstrations, so people will pay big
money for them to be fixed. Sometimes simply throwing hardware at a
problem does work. Some people are offended by this, and sometimes it
is more expensive than what a proper problem solving methodology would
have found. In the real world, management is not always rational, so
running a business tuning databases does not necessarily follow
directly from a proper tuning methodology. People want cookbook
solutions, but don't want to admit the ingredient list is variable.
Cookbooks can work for installation, but not completely for tuning.
dba-oracle.com needs so much seasoning it can give your database a
heart attack. There are some interesting tidbits there, but no way
for the beginning or intermediate dba to tell the difference between
good and bad advice (short of finding existing discussions on disputed
assertions). The website has also done some search engine
optimization (there are whole conferences about that subject), so
tends to rank high on google searches. Don has also just plain pissed
some people off, so many will dismiss anything or anyone associated
with him out of hand. Kind of too bad, since some of the authors he
has published are really good.

Personally, I think he's a hoot. But I use Jonathan's and Tom's
advice. I think the online spats have been a little too over the top.

>
> OMG!
>
> I got the feeling this is going to be another
> looong and booooring thread...

What's the deal on the Tom Kyte referenced page with all the
<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span> question marks?

jg
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Maxim Demenko

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Sep 24, 2007, 3:59:23 PM9/24/07
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joel garry schrieb:

> That's a reasonable question.
Well, i really don't like to confirm Noons prediction, but since i
started this thread, i thought, maybe i should write as well, what was
my motivation on it.
Generally spoken, i don't think, cookbooks are evil, at least in my
expirience, i use them too often. Presumed, you can rely on this
particular cookbook. Of course, everybody writes a kind of himself for
routined tasks - but sorry, i can't compel myself to do it in every
occasion. Lastly i have (unexpected for me) to setup a dozens of redhat
boxes with different Oracle versions - so i increased a visitor counter
by Tim Hall about dozen for that task. Doing so, i had in the past
compared his setup with Oracle documentation, with Werner Puschitz site,
with Ivan Kartik site, reproduced his setup and finally found this
cookbook for an reliable. On the other side, i found some cookbooks on
dba-oracle.com which are simply not working. But this is not a major
point - maybe another one work good, i don't aim to test all recipes
from that site. The most disturbing thing from my point of view is the
mentioned by Joel - the google ranking, it takes me a bit of freedom in
my choice. That means, if i google for an oracle related term - i get in
many cases first page with references to dba-oracle site. I don't like
this ranking. I like even distribution. After about fifteen years public
accessible internet, there are a lot established informational resources
for oracle related terms - tahiti, asktom, co-operative faq, dizwell,
orafaq and many others which cover probably most of oracle related
questions. It would be nice to see them in the top results doing the
fuzzy search (there is seldom an issue, if one is doing a very precise
search). Unfortunately it is not the way how Google works.
But who can stop me to try to change it?

Best regards

Maxim

joel garry

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Sep 24, 2007, 4:22:10 PM9/24/07
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Seems interesting enough so far :-)

(You have noticed who published Tim's book, right?)

Nothing wrong with trying to change the world. The lack of
transparency and accountability can make the payoff from any
particular effort unknowable.

jg
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LOL tip #16 http://www.webpronews.com/blogtalk/2006/11/15/seo-conference-tips-and-tricks

Sidhu

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Sep 24, 2007, 11:08:25 PM9/24/07
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