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Niall Litchfield

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Oct 28, 2002, 8:28:52 AM10/28/02
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In response to one of Sybrand's posts the following comment was posted

"It's very easy to say "RTFM", but what if the manual actually consists of
*** 23 *** Volumes (Oracle 8.1.7), some of them being 1000+ pages?

As a beginner, you sometimes even don't know where to look up."

Which isn't an entirely unreasonable comment. Fortunately Oracle Corporation
provide some excellent searchable documentation at

HTTP://TAHITI.ORACLE.COM . Putting keywords (say RENAME and TABLE) into this
search engine will often guide you to the relevant section of the
aforementioned FM.

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Matthias Rogel

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Oct 28, 2002, 9:17:07 AM10/28/02
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True Niall,
Oracle documentation is really excellent searchable, good stuff !!
Always find what I'm looking 4, thank U

MaRo

Richard Foote

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Oct 28, 2002, 7:39:38 PM10/28/02
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Hi Niall,

It's all very well for people to suggest Read The French Manuals (RTFM) but
I can't help thinking it's not particularly helpful for us that could only
manage an 'E' in our French exams. I'm sure they are many others in this NG
that have little or no knowledge of French and yet the advice always seems
to be RTFM (not Read The English Manuals or Read The Spanish Manuals, etc.).

I can't help thinking this is all some strange conspiracy ...

Cheers ;)

Richard
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Tim Kearsley

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Oct 29, 2002, 6:04:08 AM10/29/02
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"Richard Foote" <richar...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<vIjv9.64492$g9.1...@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...

> Hi Niall,
>
> It's all very well for people to suggest Read The French Manuals (RTFM) but
> I can't help thinking it's not particularly helpful for us that could only
> manage an 'E' in our French exams. I'm sure they are many others in this NG
> that have little or no knowledge of French and yet the advice always seems
> to be RTFM (not Read The English Manuals or Read The Spanish Manuals, etc.).
>
> I can't help thinking this is all some strange conspiracy ...
>
> Cheers ;)

Well I never..... there's me thinking all these years that the "F"
stood for "Finnish" - spent months trawling round obscure bookshops
trying to get 'em! No wonder I've never learned anything.....

Tim Kearsley
Database Manager
Milton Keynes Council

David Fitzjarrell

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Oct 29, 2002, 11:38:02 AM10/29/02
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FRENCH?!?!?!? Well, that explains a great deal, since I was always
heading for the Flemish Manuals ...

:)

David Fitzjarrell

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Daniel Morgan

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Oct 29, 2002, 12:00:55 PM10/29/02
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David Fitzjarrell wrote:

One of my students just, as a present, handed me a copy of one of the Oracle Press books in Russian (she's from the
Ukraine). And I can suggest that people may RTRM too if need be. What I am looking for now is a Japanese or Chinese
version. Anyone know where I might obtain a copy?

Daniel Morgan

Norman Dunbar

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Oct 29, 2002, 12:06:27 PM10/29/02
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Hi Richard,

So the 'F' stands for French. I was led to believe it had a more
'profane' usage. This would account for the time I went to our local
bookshop and asked for some "F'ing Manuals" to read - all I got was a
load of porn !!!

Cheers,
Norman.

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Lynx Financial Systems Ltd.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Foote [mailto:richar...@bigpond.com]
Posted At: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:40 AM
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Subject: Re: How to RTFM


Hi Niall,

It's all very well for people to suggest Read The French Manuals (RTFM)

<SNIP>


Brian Peasland

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Oct 29, 2002, 12:18:56 PM10/29/02
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> And I can suggest that people may RTRM too if need be.

So if it is a Russian Immigrant manual, then can we ask to RTRIM??? Or,
if I want someone to just Look at The Russian Immigrant Manual, then
wouldn't it be LTRIM????

Cheers,
Brian

Pete Sharman

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Oct 29, 2002, 12:12:53 PM10/29/02
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In article <3DBEBEC6...@exesolutions.com>, Daniel says...
>
snip

>
>One of my students just, as a present, handed me a copy of one of the Oracle
>Press books in Russian (she's from the
>Ukraine). And I can suggest that people may RTRM too if need be. What I am
>looking for now is a Japanese or Chinese
>version. Anyone know where I might obtain a copy?
>
>Daniel Morgan
>
Uh, I hate to say it, but maybe in Japan or China? ;)

HTH. Additions and corrections welcome.

Pete

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Scott Mattes

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Oct 29, 2002, 1:42:34 PM10/29/02
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what release/version?

:)

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Daniel Morgan

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Oct 29, 2002, 2:26:47 PM10/29/02
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Brian Peasland wrote:

Actually I think Russian would be RTRIM and Soviet Union was LTRIM.

What with the Soviet Union being to the left and the Rusian Federation
being to the right: Relatively speaking.

Daniel Morganv
http://www.extension.washington.edu/extinfo/certprog/oad/oad_crs.asp

RK

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Oct 29, 2002, 4:33:02 PM10/29/02
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tim.ke...@milton-keynes.gov.uk (Tim Kearsley) wrote in message news:<725736ef.02102...@posting.google.com>...

I thought I knew what the 'F' stood for and started be reading the
KamaSutra. I'm still reading it. Havent come to the Oracle part of it
yet but have sure learned a lot about some other stuff...

-- rajXesh

Keld Nielsen

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Oct 29, 2002, 6:28:13 PM10/29/02
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"RK" <raj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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m...

So you haven't learnt all of the Fine stuff yet ?


Dusan Bolek

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Oct 30, 2002, 7:38:27 AM10/30/02
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raj...@hotmail.com (RK) wrote in message news:<548b9514.0210...@posting.google.com>...

> I thought I knew what the 'F' stood for and started be reading the
> KamaSutra. I'm still reading it. Havent come to the Oracle part of it
> yet but have sure learned a lot about some other stuff...

Yeah, I've did the same. I must admit that the first part is much more
enjoyable (practice lessons were great) and in general much more
useful for everyday life than Oracle stuff.
However, I've had a problems with certification. Got only associate
and never reached the MASTER level.

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can call it an overture to bankruptcy) on that server. I'm still using
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proper mail even for news, but right now I can be reached by this
email.

Niall Litchfield

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Oct 30, 2002, 8:52:14 AM10/30/02
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"Dusan Bolek" <pages...@usa.net> wrote in message
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> raj...@hotmail.com (RK) wrote in message
news:<548b9514.0210...@posting.google.com>...
> > I thought I knew what the 'F' stood for and started be reading the
> > KamaSutra. I'm still reading it. Havent come to the Oracle part of it
> > yet but have sure learned a lot about some other stuff...
>
> Yeah, I've did the same. I must admit that the first part is much more
> enjoyable (practice lessons were great) and in general much more
> useful for everyday life than Oracle stuff.
> However, I've had a problems with certification. Got only associate
> and never reached the MASTER level.

Do you not know, to get the MASTER level you have to demonstrate your skills
in an (ahem) hands on practical.

Howard J. Rogers

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Oct 30, 2002, 2:16:18 PM10/30/02
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OK. Stop this sketch. It's just getting silly.

Stop it. Now!

HJR

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Paul Brewer

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Oct 30, 2002, 4:13:15 PM10/30/02
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"Howard J. Rogers" <howard...@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> OK. Stop this sketch. It's just getting silly.
>
> Stop it. Now!
>
> HJR
>
Did you pay for the five minute argument, or are you here for the full half
hour?

Paul

Howard J. Rogers

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Oct 31, 2002, 2:24:26 AM10/31/02
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That's not a question.

...
HJR

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Dusan Bolek

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Oct 31, 2002, 4:41:29 AM10/31/02
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"Paul Brewer" <pa...@paul.brewers.org.uk> wrote in message news:<3dc04b6c$1...@mk-nntp-1.news.uk.worldonline.com>...

Hey, we're not arguing yet!!!

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Dusan Bolek

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Oct 31, 2002, 4:45:28 AM10/31/02
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"Niall Litchfield" <niall.li...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message news:<3dbfe410$0$1287$cc9e...@news.dial.pipex.com>...
> "Dusan Bolek" <pages...@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:1e8276d6.02103...@posting.google.com...
> > raj...@hotmail.com (RK) wrote in message
> news:<548b9514.0210...@posting.google.com>...
> > > I thought I knew what the 'F' stood for and started be reading the
> > > KamaSutra. I'm still reading it. Havent come to the Oracle part of it
> > > yet but have sure learned a lot about some other stuff...
> >
> > Yeah, I've did the same. I must admit that the first part is much more
> > enjoyable (practice lessons were great) and in general much more
> > useful for everyday life than Oracle stuff.
> > However, I've had a problems with certification. Got only associate
> > and never reached the MASTER level.
>
> Do you not know, to get the MASTER level you have to demonstrate your skills
> in an (ahem) hands on practical.

Hands? Not mentioning other parts ...

I hadn't problem with practical classes, got pretty good scores.
However lector told me that for master I need to attend two advanced
classes. :-)

Mike Ault

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Oct 31, 2002, 9:57:25 AM10/31/02
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Daniel Morgan <dmo...@exesolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3DBEBEC6...@exesolutions.com>...

My books have been translated into German, Japanese and Chinese (RTGM,
RTJM and RTCM).

Mike

Daniel Morgan

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Oct 31, 2002, 11:47:12 AM10/31/02
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"Howard J. Rogers" wrote:

Yes it is.

Daniel Morgan

Daniel Morgan

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Oct 31, 2002, 11:49:05 AM10/31/02
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Mike Ault wrote:

Thanks. I will let my students know.

Daniel Morgan

Norman Dunbar

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Oct 31, 2002, 12:05:10 PM10/31/02
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But this isn't a proper argument, it's just a contradiction !
No it isn't !

We seem to have moved on from Pink Floyd to Monty Python now then :o)

Joel Garry

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Oct 31, 2002, 4:38:13 PM10/31/02
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Daniel Morgan <dmo...@exesolutions.com> wrote in message news:<3DBEBEC6...@exesolutions.com>...

http://www.oracle.com/lang/cn/ :-)

>
> Daniel Morgan

Maybe some of these guys know:

http://www.tgpconsulting.com/translators.htm#Oriental-Lange

And of course, the useless answer:

ORAINFONAV_DOCPATH Environment Variable on Unix
The ORAINFONAV_DOCPATH environment variable should be set to the
location of the online manuals, on Unix platforms. The default value
for this environment variable is set to the location of the American
English version of the online manuals
($ORACLE_HOME/doc60/admin/manuals/US). For Japanese version of the
online manuals, set the ORAINFODOC_DOCPATH environment variable to the
following value:

$ORACLE_HOME/doc60/admin/manuals/JA

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Brian E Dick

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Nov 1, 2002, 10:01:32 AM11/1/02
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It has a question mark after it?

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Howard J. Rogers

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No it doesn't.

HJR

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Niall Litchfield

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did someone forget the end loop?


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Joel Garry

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"Niall Litchfield" <n-litc...@audit-commission.gov.uk> wrote in message news:<3dc63e17$0$1292$ed9e...@reading.news.pipex.net>...

> did someone forget the end loop?

There is no end loop in usenet protocol, Godwin notwithstanding.

jg
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