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From: joel-ga...@home.com
Date: 27 Sep 2005 16:12:44 -0700
Local: Tues, Sep 27 2005 7:12 pm
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
I managed to not say anything about it when Fabian posted
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf on hjr's clippity-clop blog, but I can no longer resist. Someone needs to work on humor, grammar and logic! jg You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: keyboa...@yahoo.com
Date: 27 Sep 2005 17:26:07 -0700
Local: Tues, Sep 27 2005 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
Don't you know why, Mr. Pascal? A funny exchange allows everyone to
have their opinion, have their say, and not be corrected. Didn't you know that opinions and good feelings were more important than...what's that word people used to use..."facts"? I mean, what can you do with a fact? You have to agree, shut up, or admit your ignorance...maybe even do some research or something. Ew! None of that feels good, does it. You say RM is based on mathmatics. Well, 2+2=4 is just an opinion, a -keyboards You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: DA Morgan <damor...@psoug.org>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:27:39 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 4 2005 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
fabian pascal wrote: It is quite telling -- and very predictable -- how quickly someone > It's quite telling -- and very predictable -- how quickly a discussion > on data fundamentals is veered by people who don't know and don't care > about fundamentals--read: the vast majority--to a "funny" exchange on > hammers and wrenches. It's happened again and again online and it does > quite a lot to validate my claims about the state of knowledge and > intellect in the industry. > It's only natural. that is a purist and isn't focused on the bottom-line value to an organization such as a business entity forgets that software is a tool. Do you criticize those that manufacture hammers because they You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: steve <st...@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:15:18 +0800
Local: Thurs, Oct 6 2005 7:15 pm
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:27:39 +0800, DA Morgan wrote
(in article <1128446853.42704@yasure>): You mean that my version .9a rock has an update? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: joel-ga...@home.com
Date: 7 Oct 2005 14:15:05 -0700
Local: Fri, Oct 7 2005 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
>> Do you criticize those that manufacture hammers because they http://www.allhatnocattle.net/name_that_toon_august_2004.htm >> deviate from the original design? >You mean that my version .9a rock has an update? You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: "striebs" <simon_strie...@ntlworld.com>
Date: 25 Sep 2005 08:03:48 -0700
Local: Sun, Sep 25 2005 11:03 am
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
Paul and others ,
Lets examine an example of Oracle extensions to SQL and commercially 1) Extensions : eg ROWID and ROWNUM pseudo-columns Rowid is a transient identifier of a row of a base table which as we So what do Oracle hope to achieve (other than performance) by exposing In general to provide an even more convenient way to update or delete a eg consider a table with 2 identical rows which could arise because SQL UPDATE table_name SET col1=val1 WHERE ..... AND ROWNUM =1 Now here is the key point , is it better to provide extensions to allow The features which provide row level processing just do not incentivise 2) Constraint Support Did you know that a constraint is any condition you can think of which Is there anyone who has contributed to this thread who would not like Eg i) a declarative constraint to ensure each invoice must have at To my knowledge the only enhancement to constraints Oracle has made 7.3 is about 13 years old , zoom forward to 2018 - how confident are 3) Data-types and domain support In Oracle User defined datatypes are difficult to define and use . Wouldn't you like to be able to do rudimentary things simply like To answer you original question I think that Fabian Pascal , Chris Date You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: mikharakiri_nosp...@yahoo.com
Date: 26 Sep 2005 15:43:23 -0700
Local: Mon, Sep 26 2005 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
striebs wrote: You are correct about ROWIDs, exposing them to the user achieves > 1) Extensions : eg ROWID and ROWNUM pseudo-columns > Rowid is a transient identifier of a row of a base table which as we nothing. ROWNUM is a hack that predated analytical SQL extensions, and some of "list all the employees with their salary ranks" ? > 2) Constraint Support Why "simulated"? This is pretty legitimate way to enforce complex > Eg i) a declarative constraint to ensure each invoice must have at > least 1 line item (which can only be simulated with a constraint on a > materialised view which outer joins invoice_header and > invoice_line_item ) . constraints (aka ANSI standard assertions). The method can be traced back to the 80s when database recearch has been pretty much alive; check out the papers on materialized view refresh. Oracle materialized view support might have a lot to be desired, but > 7.3 is about 13 years old , zoom forward to 2018 - how confident are Constraint enhancements is not a top priority nowadays. Wake up: the > you that Oracle will have significantly enhanced it's constraint > support by then ? bleading edge of research and development is XML, Fusion, whatever. > 3) Data-types and domain support This is true to some extent, but may I suggest that there were a lot > In Oracle User defined datatypes are difficult to define and use . > Wouldn't you like to be able to do rudimentary things simply like > To answer you original question I think that Fabian Pascal , Chris Date more people who defined and shaped the database world as it exists today. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: runaror...@gmail.com
Date: 29 Sep 2005 16:14:13 -0700
Local: Thurs, Sep 29 2005 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
"may I suggest that there were a lot
more people who defined and shaped the database world as it exists today" To their neverending shame. You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: DA Morgan <damor...@psoug.org>
Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:32:26 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 4 2005 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: What do Oracle professionals think of Fabian Pascal?
> ROWNUM is a hack that predated analytical SQL extensions, and some of Without using ROWNUM please provide the equivalent to the following: > these extensions do make sence for an end user. Otherwise, how do you > express the query SELECT * You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: mikharakiri_nosp...@yahoo.com
Date: 4 Oct 2005 11:15:49 -0700
Local: Tues, Oct 4 2005 2:15 pm
Subject: Rownum (was something else)
DA Morgan wrote: select * from ( > > ROWNUM is a hack that predated analytical SQL extensions, and some of > > these extensions do make sence for an end user. Otherwise, how do you > > express the query > Without using ROWNUM please provide the equivalent to the following: > SELECT * select row_number() over (order by 0) rn from t ) where rn < 37 As far as performance concerned, there is no reason why it can't be the Note, that unlike rownum hack, it would also provide an answer with where rn >= 37 and people would stop asking why rownum doesn't return any rows. BTW, I'm not fan of analytics, but having two constructs in the You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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