Who is Mladen Gogala?
dbapl...@hotmail.com
you may not know that Mladen Gogala is a strong supporter of Sybrand
Bakker. Sybrand Bakker has record of insulting many in particular
Indian Community on several occasions. Just search on google:
Sybrand you Indians
Sybrand Indian Monkeys
you will find many artcicles.
Those people who support Sybrand in forums like these support his
racial attacks as well.Reason Sybrand still thrives is because people
like Mladen Gogala support him.
If you ever think of downloading his products or buying his book,
think again. Here is a guy who strongly supports Sybrand who is a
racist. To stop racial attacks on Internet you need to boycott Sybrand
as well as his supporters like Mladen.
Please pass this mail to your friends and place it in as many news
groups as you can so this message is read by Oracle DBA's all over
the world.
Thanks.
DA Morgan
Please everyone ... don't take the bait. Please do not respond.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damo...@x.washington.edu
(replace x with u to respond)
Puget Sound Oracle Users Group
www.psoug.org
fitzj...@cox.net
The real question would be:
Who is dbaplusplus?
Even better:
Why does dbaplusplus have nothing better to do than spread falsehoods,
and fail to sign them as his own?
David Fitzjarrell
dbapl...@hotmail.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
dbaplusplus has been working as an ORACLE DBA for more than 20 years.
He is a OCP certfied Oracle 10G DBA.
He loves Oracle but intorent of internet racist and bullies . Among
so called educated people, we have people like Sybrabd, Malden and
David who promote this behavior.
Read my original post and search on google, you will get an idea what
I am talking about....
Ed Prochak
> > The real question would be:
>
> > Who is dbaplusplus?
>
> > Even better:
>
> > Why does dbaplusplus have nothing better to do than spread falsehoods,
> > and fail to sign them as his own?
>
> > David Fitzjarrell
> dbaplusplus has been working as an ORACLE DBA for more than 20 years.
> He is a OCP certfied Oracle 10G DBA.
And as far as I can see has only ever posted questions (or trash) in
this newsgroup.
You can claim whatever you like behind a pseudonym. I will consider
your posts unreliable since they cannot be verified independently.
Have a nice day.
Ed
dbapl...@hotmail.com
Ed:
Trash, you are talking about your posts.
Lots of people in internet use psuedonym. My posts have lot more
credibilty than yours.Let people decide for themsleves what they think
of Malden, Sybarnd and others. It is ovious that you do not want
people to get this infomration.
Ed Prochak
> On May 9, 1:09 pm, Ed Prochak <edproc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And as far as I can see has only ever posted questions (or trash) in
> > this newsgroup.
> > You can claim whatever you like behind a pseudonym. I will consider
> > your posts unreliable since they cannot be verified independently.
>
> > Have a nice day.
> > Ed
>
> Ed:
> Trash, you are talking about your posts.
Ah, the childish retort: "I didn't do it, you did it." It fits your
style.
>
> Lots of people in internet use psuedonym. My posts have lot more
> credibilty than yours.Let people decide for themsleves what they think
> of Malden, Sybarnd and others. It is ovious that you do not want
> people to get this infomration.
1. It is a hell of a lot easier in technical forums such as this to
earn respect by being open. That openness starts with names. You see
the problem with using a psuedonym in usenet is that it is the first
line of defense of trolls and spammers. It doesn't immediately lump
you in that group, but it doesn't help. Even including a real name in
the post is a positive step in the right direction. The ones you are
targetting respect the readers here to post their real names. Can you
say the same?
2. I always let the readers decide if my comments are useful or not.
Your personal claims of credibility carry little weight I think with
readers here.
3. Obviously I am not stopping anyone from reading any information
they want, so I guess your mindreading scanner is busted.
All I can say is you have a choice. You can continue your childish
tantrums or you can take a deep breath and start acting like a mature
adult. Even those you currently regard as evil enemies would welcome
such a change in attitude.
It's your choice.
Ed
joel garry
>
> dbaplusplus has been working as an ORACLE DBA for more than 20 years.
I call bullshit.
jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
http://www.pseudodictionary.com/cybernesia
dbapl...@hotmail.com
Howard Rogers used pseudonym for many years. hupuxrac uses pseudonym.
Many others do.
Using psudonym does not make anyone less credible.
I am amazed how many educated DBA's in this forum are racist and
bullies Purpose of the thread to critcize this behavior and boycott
those who support it. As simple as that. Yet, I have not seen anyone
other than probably DA morgan doing that.
Instead omost respondents try to attack the OP. What a unfortunate
state of affairs,
dbapl...@hotmail.com
You sould exactly like Sybarnd and Mladen.
hast...@hotmail.com
> dbaplusplus has been working as an ORACLE DBA for more than 20 years.
Hmmm... You dont act like a 40+ guy...
--- Raoul
fitzj...@cox.net
He'll reply that he's been an Oracle DBA since he was 8 years old,
most likely. And, I agree, he doesn't behave as though he's well
over 40.
David Fitzjarrell
fitzj...@cox.net
> Howard Rogers used pseudonym for many years.
No, he used his initials.
> hpuxrac uses pseudonym.
He's identified by his email address; you are not.
> Many others do.
Those 'others' ask questions, usually in a 'hit and run' style, merely
to get others to do their work for them for the most part. And those
others don't proceed to inundate the group with baseless allegations.
> Using psudonym does not make anyone less credible.
It does in your case as you're accusing members of racism, an
allegation you have yet to prove.
>
> I am amazed how many educated DBA's in this forum are racist and
> bullies
Again, prove any of that noise is true. You can't, which is why you
don't.
> Purpose of the thread to critcize this behavior and boycott
> those who support it.
Which is why your 'pseudonym' doesn't cut the mustard in the
credibility department.
This is nothing more than you being a playground nuisance.
>As simple as that.
I agree. It is too bad you're too simple to understand what we've
been telling you throughout this thread.
> Yet, I have not seen anyone
> other than probably DA morgan doing that.
Doing what, exactly? You throw baseless accusations about, lacking
any proof, and you expect the accused to simply sit silent? Either
PROVE what you say as true WITHOUT using the link to the entire cdos
archive (proof being YOU post the offending text and illustrate WHY
it's racist or bullying, and do so in its ENTIRE context) or shut up
and go away. It's as simple as that.
> Instead omost respondents try to attack the OP.
We're commenting upon your unproven charges of racism and bullying.
That you take such as attacks upon you is your problem.
> What a unfortunate
> state of affairs,
The unfortunate state of affairs began with this thread, and your
groundless charges.
If all you have to do is accuse people of imaginary crimes I suggest
you take up a new career as a mystery writer.
David Fitzjarrell
EscVector
I'm the real Mladen Gogala. The other Mladen is just pretending to be
me.
Maxim Demenko
You are EscVector being pretending to be Mladen Gogala being pretending
to be EscVector - ORA-01436 ?
Best regards
Maxim
Robbert
"DA Morgan" <damo...@psoug.org> schreef in bericht
news:11783989...@bubbleator.drizzle.com...
joel garry
Oddly enough, there have been times when I've told both of them what I
thought was wrong with their posting style. Then we've all moved on,
essentially agreeing to disagree, since any desire to change posting
style must come from internal motivation. Newbies may be browbeaten
into changing their style (or may just leave), but those of us that
have actually been posting a long time tend to blow it off, or even be
amused. Even the most thick-skinned may be hurt by personal attacks,
you just never know. That's why it's better to remember that there
are people on the other end of the line, and always try to be
courteous, professional and polite. And you never know when or who
you will meet in meatspace.
I don't have a problem with people posting with pseudonyms, but anyone
doing so must realize that some people put more credence in posts by
those who use real names, and other people may make certain
assumptions about you given the lack of real information. That will
be compounded if English isn't your first language.
20 years ago being an Oracle DBA pretty much meant VMS, and I just
don't get the feeling you were doing it. You are welcome to prove me
wrong, though you might keep in mind that I was already well
experienced in the VMS world at that time. Not that I remember much.
jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
"I've been playing D&D since before it was cool" - bumper sticker
Oradba Linux
and help. Did you not read this when you searched in Google?
Ed Prochak
hupuxrac and others have built their respect by being polite and
respectful to others.
> Many others do.
> Using psudonym does not make anyone less credible.
But as I said, it does not help your case. You look like a troll (by
using a pseudonym and not choosing to post a real name), you act like
a troll by slandering others, and you dig deeper into trolldom by
personal attacks rather than reasoned logical arguments or supporting
evidence.
1. IF you had evidence of racism you could find the post in google and
provide the link.
2. IF you had evidence of contributing something back to this group
(posting some answers rather than only questions), then you could show
us that too.
Lacking 1 or 2 your reputation here spirals down lower and lower.
Ed Prochak
HansF
(Killfile doesn't help when valued contributers also feed the thread.)
--
Hans Forbrich (mailto: Fuzzy.GreyBeard_at_gmail.com)
*** Feel free to correct me when I'm wrong!
*** Top posting [replies] guarantees I won't respond.
dbapl...@hotmail.com
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I thought you can do google search. Below are links. I am sure you
will come with some explanation that these
are not racist remarks.
http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread64148.html
Read this link (sonewhere towards middle or so, Sybrand starts showing
his racial attack:
Sybrand Bakker <gooidit...@sybrandb.demon.nl> wrote in message > By
flaming me in this fashion and agreeing with the Niemic and
> You have also clearly demonstrated now that Indian Oracle 'experts'
> indeed are arrogant idiots, just like yourself.
> Sybrand Bakker, Senior Oracle DBA
dbapl...@hotmail.com
You are a good example of how irrational a person can be . When you
say that Sybrand racial remarks are taken out of context,
I am reminded of when US President Clinton had an affair with Monica
Lewnisky. His democratic party supporters will say Clinton never
commited adultery (waist up).
fitzj...@cox.net
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your analogy is wrong, which proves your perspective is skewed. No
one is ignoring facts, we're asking you to actually PROVE what you say
rather than having you dump thousands upon thousands of posts at our
feet saying "the proof is in there, go search for it." YOU prove what
you say is true; it isn't our responsibility to do so, and your proof
cannot be taken out of the context of the entire thread.
Don't accuse us when it's you who won't do the necessary work to prove
allegations you're making.
David Fitzjarrell
joel garry
> On May 15, 2:03 pm, Ed Prochak <edproc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I thought you can do google search. Below are links. I am sure you
> will come with some explanation that these
> are not racist remarks.
>
> http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread64148.html
>
>
> Read this link (sonewhere towards middle or so, Sybrand starts showing
> his racial attack:Sybrand Bakker <gooidit...@sybrandb.demon.nl> wrote in message > By
>
> flaming me in this fashion and agreeing with the Niemic and
>
>
>
> > You have also clearly demonstrated now that Indian Oracle 'experts'
> > indeed are arrogant idiots, just like yourself.
> > Sybrand Bakker, Senior Oracle DBA
Did you happen to google the fellow Sybrand was responding to,
Jitendra Patel? Is he an Indian or not? I think he is not, but is
pretending to be in order to be incendiary.
I do agree, you've managed to find one apparently racist comment among
the many thousands of his posts. Or maybe he just fell for a troll.
Does this mean there isn't an endemic problem with cheap labor? Is
there no way to point that out without offending the political
correctness police? Is it not possible that Oracle fell for the
fallacy of scripted support, which just happened to be driven by a
particular geographic business area? I'm sure there are plenty of
smart Indian/Oracle people, I know I've worked with some and learned
much from others. I work with several every day. But when I've been
directed to them through Oracle support, they've been uniformly the
worst, just as Sybrand describes. It's unfortunate that he described
it in a manner that smeared all Indians, I can only hope that what he
really meant was those doing bad work. Personally, I blame the
companies that perpetuate the problems. How many of those in India
are managed by non-Indians? Does that make me racist?
jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
http://csoonline.com/read/040107/fea_spam_by_the_numbers.html
Ed Prochak
> On May 15, 2:03 pm, Ed Prochak <edproc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 5:56 pm, dbaplusp...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > 1. IF you had evidence of racism you could find the post in google and
> > provide the link.
>
> > 2. IF you had evidence of contributing something back to this group
> > (posting some answers rather than only questions), then you could show
> > us that too.
>
> > Lacking 1 or 2 your reputation here spirals down lower and lower.
>
> > Ed Prochak
Well I guess I did give you the option of one or the other. I still
have yet to see you give back anything to this group.
> I thought you can do google search. Below are links. I am sure you
> will come with some explanation that these
> are not racist remarks.
I did not make the accusation. The burden of proof was on you.
>
> http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread64148.html
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.oracle.server/browse_th...
>
> Read this link (sonewhere towards middle or so, Sybrand starts showing
> his racial attack:Sybrand Bakker <gooidit...@sybrandb.demon.nl> wrote in message > By
>
> flaming me in this fashion and agreeing with the Niemic and
>
>
>
> > You have also clearly demonstrated now that Indian Oracle 'experts'
> > indeed are arrogant idiots, just like yourself.
> > Sybrand Bakker, Senior Oracle DBA
Well, maybe he did go a little far here. It looks to me less like he
specifically targetted Indians than he was targetting self-styled
'experts'. However, I think his flame would have had the same meaning
without the word Indian in it.
Since I did ask for only one example, you did come up with it, I will
conceed the contention that indeed Sybrand had made what appears to be
a racist statement. While in my judgement, it shows Sybrand's a little
hot headed at times, it still fails to earn much respect for yourself.
As far as your original diatribe in this thread, I don't pick my
technology books because of the personality of the author. If it
works use it, is a phrase I try to follow. So if I see a book by
Sybrand on Oracle, I will buy it because I trust his technical
expertise and his willingness to contribute to this group. I don't
know if I have or will buy a book from you because you lack the
respect for me and others here to even post your real name.
I'll end this here. You did make your point to some extent. You do
need to learn how to present yourself and your message to others. You
make too many rash judgements and hasty condemnations.
You still lack any respect from me due to this crass approach and lack
of any respect for others. I'm hoping this discussion will help change
your attitude (but to be honest, I am not going to hold my breath).
So again, I leave you with a choice.
Go away while you have something of a success under your belt.
OR
Start making positive contributions to this group.
OR
Continue to act like a troll and be disliked and ignored in this
group.
you fate is in your own hands.
Ed
Ed Prochak
> On May 15, 2:03 pm, Ed Prochak <edproc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > 1. IF you had evidence of racism you could find the post in google and
> > provide the link.
>
> > 2. IF you had evidence of contributing something back to this group
> > (posting some answers rather than only questions), then you could show
> > us that too.
>
> > Lacking 1 or 2 your reputation here spirals down lower and lower.
>
> > Ed Prochak
> I thought you can do google search. Below are links. I am sure you
> will come with some explanation that these
> are not racist remarks.
>
> http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread64148.html
>From 2years ago (2005). hmm.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.oracle.server/browse_th...
from 4years ago (2003)
Nothin more recent???
And to think I initially thought these were decent evidence. 2
comments in 4 years. sheesh you are sensitive.
If my other post when thru, itnore it. You really are a lame troll.
Good bye.