Arvin Meyer's Good Article For Beginners
Cindy
beginners that is references in Google Groups but I can't seem to find
the original post with the article's URL. Does anyone know where I can
find that article, or why the thread appears to be missing from the
archives?
Here's the link:
Thanks!
Cindy
Douglas J. Steele
http://www.microsoft.com/office/previous/xp/columns/column06.asp
--
Doug Steele, Microsoft Access MVP
http://I.Am/DougSteele
(no e-mails, please!)
"Cindy" <cind...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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XMVP
Somebody jerked it from Usenet. The article was cribbed from Microsoft help
files as I remember and it caused a big stink. Meyer had to quit this
newsgroup because of it. But you're not missing anything. Meyer wasn't a
very a intelligent or original guy like most MVPs.
John Goldner
have any history of that. His web site shows good business acumen. It
looks pretty kosher to me.
"XMVP" <access...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Mike Preston
John,
Ignore anything posted by XMVP. It is just another alias for Don
Mellon. Longtime newsgroup disrupter.
He's getting lazy, though. He actually posted from a vnet computer,
in Montana.
mike
Larry Linson
"Mike Preston" <mbpa...@pacbell.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Mike--
To be completely honest you should admit to your role in supporting Meyer's
plagiarism. I just re-read the referenced thread and you don't come across
very well. Also you should be careful about attributing anonymous posts to
a particular individual. You don't know who "XMVP" is anymore than I do.
There are probably a million users on Vision Net which makes your statement
look really dumb.
BTW, I just checked Arvin's web site and he's still up to his old tricks!
--Larry
Larry Linson
> To be completely honest you should admit to
> your role in supporting Meyer's plagiarism. I
> just re-read the referenced thread and you don't
To be completely honest, you should admit to impersonating me, and others,
in this newsgroup. I suppose I should be flattered that you believe I have
enough credibility that you'd bother to impersonate me. Thanks for that,
anyway.
Oh, yes, also, to be completely honest, you should admit that the old-timers
here know, by your, who XMVP is.
Note: the post to which this is a response is NOT from Larry Linson,
Microsoft Access MVP, it is from an impersonator who is very likely to be
the same person posting as XMVP, and who is very likely to reside in Ennis,
MT (unless his neighbors got wise to him and rode him out of town on a rail,
possibly coated with tar and feathers).
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
David W. Fenton
news:JZWdnV-sKKi...@rogers.com:
> It's probably
> http://www.microsoft.com/office/previous/xp/columns/column06.asp
Much as I'd like to dump on Don, I still believe that Arvin took
shortcuts in writing that article and it looks lazy. Given that it
was written for Microsoft, it's not really stealing anyone else's
content, but it's hardly an original article.
I don't think it can be just swept under the rug because it's done
by someone we like, and probably with the approval of the owners of
the content that was plagiarized.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Cindy
"Larry Linson" <bou...@localhost.not> wrote in message
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If true, this is terrible, Mr. Linton. I will think twice about your advice
in the future.
Do you know who "Mike Preston" is? Can you find his name in some phone
book? Or is he a fake also?
Mike Preston
Nice try, Don.
mike
Larry Linson
"Mike Preston" <mbpa...@pacbell.net.invalid> wrote in message
>
> Nice try, Don.
>
> mike
He really IS pathetic...
Larry Linson
"Larry Linson" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Yes, fakelarry, you ARE, indeed, pathetic.
John Goldner
text on his web site. Just copy and paste a few sentences of "his" and
you'll see what I mean. The smallest research shows that Meyer is an
incompetent and obviously incapable of intellectual honesty or integrity.
========
Meyer: "Rates: Data Strategies bills for analysis, design, application
development, and related activities on an hours-consumed basis. Work is
tracked and billed in increments of the quarter hour. Please contact Data
Strategies for questions regarding rates and availability."
Tancey (http://www.tancey.com/tancey_consulting.htm): "Consulting Rates:
Tancey & Associates bills for analysis, design, application development, and
related activities on an hours consumed basis. Work is tracked and billed in
increments of the quarter hour. Please contact us for questions regarding
rates and availability."
========
Meyer:"Data Strategies provides you with the highest quality standards and
conventions. Every effort is made to write generic and reusable processes.
This means that once a process is implemented, other sections of your
application can re-use them. This saves you dollars since generic processes
do not have to be re-coded for each subsystem that needs them. Data
Strategies also uses strict naming conventions with all database objects and
code. These conventions provide an internal consistency and
self-documentation that should (if you later desire enhancements or
modifications) reduce the cost."
Tancey: "Tancey & Associates provides you with the highest quality standards
and conventions. Every effort is made to write generic and reusable
processes. This means that once a process is implemented, other sections of
your application can re-use them. This saves you dollars since generic
processes do not have to be re-coded for each subsystem that needs them. We
also uses strict naming conventions with all database objects and code.
These conventions provide an internal consistency and self-documentation
that should (if you later desire enhancements or modifications) reduce the
cost."
========
Meyer:"Non-disclosure and Non-compete Clauses: We are willing to consider
any reasonable non-disclosure or non-compete agreement in order to protect
your software investment and competitive position in the marketplace. Should
this be a concern of yours we should address this promptly."
Tancey: "Non-disclosure and Non-compete Clauses: We are willing to consider
any reasonable non-disclosure or non-compete agreement in order to protect
your software investment and competitive position in the marketplace. Should
this be a concern of yours we should address this promptly."
========
And so on and so on. Does he have anything else published on the net? I'm
sure I could find more.
"Mike Preston" <mbpa...@pacbell.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Sherwood Wang
"John Goldner" <jgol...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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is very good work mr john goldner by you! mr arvin meyer so assamed i bet
you yes?
can you say is truth [meyer = preston + linson]?
maybe all same people yes?
Sherwood Wang
***MVP***
Larry Linson
MVP. This is Yet Another Alias of the Resident Troll (YAART). It appears
that Cindy and john goldner, too, are YAART.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
(to verify my status and Arvin's, see
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com, and
follow the links to the list of awardees)
"Sherwood Wang" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Sherwood Wang
very funny make my choke! need picture id for newsgroup yes?
please say what is awardees ok?
Sherwood Wang
***MVP***
"Larry Linson" <bou...@localhost.not> wrote in message
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David W. Fenton
> Actually, it appears as though Arvin Meyer plagiarized many
> segments of the text on his web site. Just copy and paste a few
> sentences of "his" and you'll see what I mean. The smallest
> research shows that Meyer is an incompetent and obviously
> incapable of intellectual honesty or integrity.
There's no way to know who copied from whom. It's quite possible
that the second is copied from Arvin's, or that both copied from
some third source that is no longer in Google.
I checked the Wayback Machine (archive.org), and Arvin's site goes
back only to 2001, while the other one goes back to 1999, but that
doesn't mean a thing, since Arvin used to operate from a different
website, the address of which I don't recall.
So, your accusation of copying here is unproven.
Well, somebody copied, but it's impossible to say who copied from
whom o wether one or both based the text on a third source, perhaps
even one that was intended as an example for emulation.
Larry Linson
it is posted from teranews -- one of only a few news servers which hide the
posting host. You are truly disgusting and disreputable, and seem determined
to demonstrate that you are.
Presence on that list is, indeed, proof positive that the person was awarded
the Most Valuable Professional (MVP) designation by Microsoft. There is also
an explanation of the MVP award and program. Anyone who is interested will
find both Arvin and me on the list. They will not find "Sherwood Wang"
there. You have my sincere sympathy that it made you choke, but apparently
you recovered sufficiently to resume trolling.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
"Sherwood Wang" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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Arvin Meyer
"David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Douglas J. Steele" <NOSPAM_djsteele@NOSPAM_canada.com> wrote in
> news:JZWdnV-sKKi...@rogers.com:
>
> > It's probably
> > http://www.microsoft.com/office/previous/xp/columns/column06.asp
>
> Much as I'd like to dump on Don, I still believe that Arvin took
> shortcuts in writing that article and it looks lazy. Given that it
> was written for Microsoft, it's not really stealing anyone else's
> content, but it's hardly an original article.
That article has been heavily edited by Microsoft content editors several
times. Even the title has changed more than once. The only shortcuts taken
may have been by the editors who split it and made it larger.
> I don't think it can be just swept under the rug because it's done
> by someone we like, and probably with the approval of the owners of
> the content that was plagiarized.
I don't think any of it was plagiarized by the editors, I know that my
content was written from an outline that was approved and edited by
Microsoft. The editors appear to have reworded and added about a quarter of
it. I wrote most of the content of the first 10 items and the 12th item.
Microsoft edited most of the rest out of content that I provided, IOW, they
split topics up and made new ones then added content. They also added some
content to some of the other topics. The changed the item headers as well so
fit their web format. The other article that I wrote on their website wasn't
as heavily edited, but they did add quite a bit to it. There is quite a bit
of difference in the writing styles between the 2 articles, except for the
section that they added.
The article above is an example of over-zealous editors wanting to please
their bosses. I've had editors that do nothing more than occasionally change
a sentence, and others that make me jump through hoops rewriting. The editor
who handled this article, just rewrote it without sending the content back
for approval. I can recognize many of my phases, so it wasn't a totally
drastic change.
--
Arvin Meyer, MCP, MVP
Microsoft Access
http://www.datastrat.com
http://www.mvps.org/access
Arvin Meyer
> I checked the Wayback Machine (archive.org), and Arvin's site goes
> back only to 2001, while the other one goes back to 1999, but that
> doesn't mean a thing, since Arvin used to operate from a different
> website, the address of which I don't recall.
My site was built in October of 1999 here in Florida (check the domain
registration) and was moved from my original website OnSite Solutions
located first on esinet.net in Virginia and later on Mindspring which was
built in March of 1998. Some of the content predates that by approximately 1
year. The old Mindspring site still exists although it redirects to my
domain:
www.mindspring.com/~datastrat/index.html
I don't remember where all the content came from because some of it was
supplied by esinet, some was written by me, and there were pieces which came
from other sources. The one that I do remember originating from another
source was one or 2 of the bullets in the privacy statement. I've tried to
check the file dates, but FrontPage rewrote them all to June of last year
when I did some site work. So there you have everything I can tell you. You
can believe what you want.
Arvin Meyer
help
> files as I remember and it caused a big stink.
All the stench occured when you pulled your head out of your butt.
> Meyer had to quit this
> newsgroup because of it.
I left this newsgroup mostly because I found the bickering distasteful. The
most disgusting period came when you tried to persecute David Fenton. It
isn't worth my time (or anyone else's for that matter) to bother with your
crap. You lie whenever you feel like it, try to impersonate others, try to
assassinate the character of truly stellar human beings like Larry Linson
and David Fenton and then have the gaul to accuse others of your behavior.
Fortunately for the rest of us, you are far too lame to avoid being seen for
what you really are ... a pathetic mental case. Your email address says it
all, doesn"t it?
--
Arvin Meyer
XMVP
"Arvin Meyer" <a...@m.com> wrote in message
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OK. I plagiarized your email address. Big deal.
John Goldner
> whom o wether one or both based the text on a third source, perhaps
> even one that was intended as an example for emulation.
An honest man, upon reading these accusations, would have attempted to
explain the plagiarism, either by pointing out that the other site
plagiarized or stating that he was unaware of the fraud because someone
designed the site for him. But instead explaining his actions, Meyer tries
to divert attention from them by attacking "XMVP". The ad hominem tactic is
transparent to any idiot, even an MVP.
Dev Ashish
>
> That article has been heavily edited by Microsoft content editors several
> The editors appear to have reworded and added about a quarter of
> it...
> Microsoft edited most of the rest out of content that I provided...
> The article above is an example of over-zealous editors wanting to please
> their bosses...
> The editor who handled this article, just rewrote it without sending the
> content back
> for approval...
"The editors made me do it!" How lame.
Arvin Meyer
news:Xns96C3BDBC58105df...@216.196.97.142...
> I checked the Wayback Machine (archive.org), and Arvin's site goes
> back only to 2001, while the other one goes back to 1999, but that
> doesn't mean a thing, since Arvin used to operate from a different
> website, the address of which I don't recall.
BTW, If you look at the copyright notice at the bottom of that page on the
Tancey site, it is marked "copyright 2005". It doesn't appear to be an exact
copy of mine although some of the phrases seem to be the same. I could care
less.
I don't profit from anything on any of my websites. I give away more code
than the big-mouth ever wrote, so whatever he wants to say just reflects on
his own pathetic existance.
--
Arvin Meyer
Sherwood Wang
"Larry Linson" <bou...@localhost.not> wrote in message
> Your racist "dialect" is not funny, Don XMVP Sherwood Cindy john. I notice
> it is posted from teranews -- one of only a few news servers which hide
> the posting host. You are truly disgusting and disreputable, and seem
> determined to demonstrate that you are.
1/ u racist man mr larry linson. i not talk dialect ok? you talk
dialect!!!
2/ millions peoples like terranews is for free. all is 1 people to u yes?
ha-ha-ha u so funny mathe genius!
> Presence on that list is, indeed, proof positive that the person was
> awarded the Most Valuable Professional (MVP) designation by Microsoft.
> There is also an explanation of the MVP award and program. Anyone who is
> interested will find both Arvin and me on the list. They will not find
> "Sherwood Wang" there. You have my sincere sympathy that it made you
> choke, but apparently you recovered sufficiently to resume trolling.
>
1/ i see mvp list larry linson name ok? is reel larry linson stellar man
lik mr arvin meyer post saying? then u not larry linson mvp.
2/ i see mvp list arvin meyer name ok? is reel arvin meyer man what steal
book lik all posts saying? then he not arvin meyer mvp.
3/lik old talking--1 lies other swerves to it! u lie he lie he lie u lie
true?
4/i see mvp list my wang name ok? u see my wang u look. see my wang ok?
Sherwood Wang
***MVP***
Larry Linson
> "The editors made me do it!" How lame.
It is so sad when someone destroys all the credibility he had under his own
name and has to impersonate someone else, fakedev (aka Don, XMVP, Cindy,
john, fakelarry, etc., etc.)
Larry Linson
> An honest man, upon ...
And what would DonXMVPCindyfakelarryfakedevjohn know about "honest"? That is
another d-word to add to his description, "disgusting, disreputable,
dishonest".
Larry Linson
> OK. I plagiarized your email address. Big deal.
No you didn't, disgusting, disreputable, dishonest
DonXMVPCindyjohnfakelarryfakedev, you thought that address up and used it
long before you realized that an e-mail address applies to the sender not to
everyone else, and, thus, how it confirmed your stupidity. If you had then
stopped, or now stop, using it, it will be an admission that it was the
stupidest thing you ever thought up.
Poor, poor, pitiful troll.
Tim Marshall
> An honest man, upon reading these accusations, would have attempted to
Is this yet another Don personae? Yes, it probably is. This is the
only entry on usenet archives (http://tinyurl.com/8jbh3) for this user,
so it's very likely yet another Don posting.
Don, regardless of whether or not any claims of plagiarization can be
substantiated, any legitimate message has long been lost through your
approaches.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me
Larry Linson
> Don, regardless of whether or not
> any claims of plagiarization can be
> substantiated, any legitimate message
> has long been lost through your
> approaches.
Don long ago lost all his credibility, so now he has to resort to pseudonyms
even to indulge his hobby of trying to spread dissension and discontent.
Poor, poor, pitiful troll. <SIGH>
Joan Wild
"Larry Linson" <bou...@localhost.not> wrote in message
Larry, please calm down and forget this thread. You are starting to babble
and sound crazy.
--Joan
Joan Wild
"Larry Linson" <bou...@localhost.not> wrote in message
Larry, as I said above, please stop responding to these posts. You're
losing all credibility with this "Don fixation." Please go do something
else.
--Joan
David W. Fenton
> "David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:Xns96C3BDBC58105df...@216.196.97.142...
>
>> I checked the Wayback Machine (archive.org), and Arvin's site
>> goes back only to 2001, while the other one goes back to 1999,
>> but that doesn't mean a thing, since Arvin used to operate from a
>> different website, the address of which I don't recall.
>
> My site was built in October of 1999 here in Florida (check the
> domain registration) and was moved from my original website OnSite
> Solutions located first on esinet.net in Virginia and later on
> Mindspring which was built in March of 1998. Some of the content
> predates that by approximately 1 year. The old Mindspring site
> still exists although it redirects to my domain:
>
> www.mindspring.com/~datastrat/index.html
The WayBack Machine doesn't know anything about that website,
though.
What was your esinet.net URL? I checked
http://esinet.net/~datastrat/ in the WayBack Machine, but it didn't
come up.
> I don't remember where all the content came from because some of
> it was supplied by esinet, some was written by me, and there were
> pieces which came from other sources. The one that I do remember
> originating from another source was one or 2 of the bullets in the
> privacy statement. I've tried to check the file dates, but
> FrontPage rewrote them all to June of last year when I did some
> site work. So there you have everything I can tell you. You can
> believe what you want.
I don't believe you copied. I felt it was important to show that you
can't always tell who copied from whom, and the dates don't always
tell you everything, since comparing your current domain to this
other one in the WayBack Machine archives doesn't actually involve
your earlier websites, which I knew existed before you created your
present one.
It's possible that I could do a close textual analysis of the
changes between the two documents and figure out exactly which was
copied from which, but that only works when there's a pattern of
errors introduced in the copy, and it has to be a certain kind of
error to prove transmission.
This is one of the things musicologists do, looking at a collection
of manuscripts transmitting the same piece of music, and then
comparing the readings in them to figure out which was copied from
which.
It doesn't work quite as well with modern writing, as we have
spellcheckers to get normalize spelling.
The techniques also came in quite handy when I was teaching -- it
allowed me to prove which cheater copied off of which.
David W. Fenton
> The article above is an example of over-zealous editors wanting to
> please their bosses. I've had editors that do nothing more than
> occasionally change a sentence, and others that make me jump
> through hoops rewriting. The editor who handled this article, just
> rewrote it without sending the content back for approval. I can
> recognize many of my phases, so it wasn't a totally drastic
> change.
OK -- that's all quite plausible.
I contributed two articles to the 2001 edition of the New Grove
Dictionary of Music, and the editors added lines to both of the
articles to which I heartily objected -- the material had been
explicitly omitted by me because the material didn't belong, even
though it had appeared in the 1980 article. My articles were not
revisions of the 1980 article, but completely rewritten from
scratch, but the editors wanted certain points from the old article
in the new one, despite my adamant objections.
Another publication of mine was published in a completely mangled
version because the editor didn't *bother* to edit it. It was an
article for a listing of musical thematic catalogs, and I had
suggested the inclusion of 6 or 8 additional items not included in
the previous edition, and made reference to them in my text. I had
explained to the editor that the cross references needed to be
updated, as did all my references to the catalog numners, since they
weren't going to be the same.
But they did nothing -- they printed my contribution as it was sent
to them, with incomplete and misleading cross references, as well as
completely omitting the items that I had suggested by added to the
listing.
So, in these kinds of cases, you can never hold the author fully
responsible for the text, as editors can really make a hash of it.
Larry Linson
> Larry, please calm down and forget
> this thread. You are starting to babble
> and sound crazy.
It was Don, aka XMVP, aka Cindy, aka Sherwood, aka fakelarry, aka fakedev,
aka john, and, now, aka fakejoan who wrote it. Seems as if the poor, poor,
pitiful troll has way too much idle time on its hands.
Gary Dempster
"Larry Linson" <bou...@localhost.not> wrote in message
>Seems as if the poor, poor, pitiful troll has way too much idle time on its
>hands.
You should talk. Look at the bandwidth you've wasted here. Go away!
Mike Preston
Mike Preston
wrote:
Yet another fake posting.
Yawn.
mike
Gary Dempster
"Mike Preston" <mbpa...@pacbell.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Prove it, asshole, or shut up.
Larry Linson
> Prove it, asshole, or shut up.
You're getting nasty, again, Don. Keep that up, and maybe even Trollhaven
will cancel your posting privileges.
Gary Dempster
"Larry Linson" <bou...@localhost.not> wrote in message
My name is Gary, you nutcase. And I was talking to the other asshole. But
I get what's going on here.
David W. Fenton
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> Prove it, asshole, or shut up.
Here's a free clue, Don:
Try setting up more than one Usenet client. The Outlook Express
version string that appears in all your non-Google posts is giving
you away.
Well, in addition to the massive stupidity of the content, which
there's no way for you to hide.
Chris Noys
<dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> wrote:
>"Gary Dempster" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in
>news:1125685799.f8654788309f1ab7de3e3acbc3625dc4@teranews:
>
>> "Mike Preston" <mbpa...@pacbell.net.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:43188891....@news.INDIVIDUAL.NET...
>>> On Thu, 1 Sep 2005 23:56:41 -0600, "Gary Dempster"
>>> <nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Larry Linson" <bou...@localhost.not> wrote in message
>>>>news:B%QRe.59345$yv2.19337@trnddc04...
>>>>
>>>>>Seems as if the poor, poor, pitiful troll has way too much idle
>>>>>time on its
>>>>>hands.
>>>>
>>>>You should talk. Look at the bandwidth you've wasted here. Go
>>>>away!
>>>
>>> YAfake poster.
>>>
>>> Yawn.
>>
>> Prove it, asshole, or shut up.
>
>Here's a free clue, Don:
>
>Try setting up more than one Usenet client. The Outlook Express
>version string that appears in all your non-Google posts is giving
>you away.
>
>Well, in addition to the massive stupidity of the content, which
>there's no way for you to hide.
That's fairly brilliant. Even Linson has the same Outlook Express
version number as all the rest. Care to posit another theory, Mr.
Rocket Scientist?
Mike Preston
wrote:
You know, you may have a point. I guess we all owe the sockpuppets an
apology. NOT.
Same posting method, same reader. Not even willing to spend enough
energy to go to the library and post.
It is just so painfully obvious.
mike
rkc
Be thankful he/she is not that dedicated to their hobby.
John Goldner
as the other guy did. All I did was state what was obvious to anyone who
read Arvin Meyer's published material, that Arvin Meyer is a plagiarist.
Apparently, Arvin Meyer must have also believed he was a plagiarist, since
he went out of his way to get the previous thread that exposed his fraud
deleted off Google Groups.
See, Arvin states (who is to believe what he writes anymore?) that "The one
that I do remember originating from another source was one or 2 of the
bullets in the privacy statement." Whoa! What a monster of a lie! Take
any bullet from http://www.datastrat.com/Privacy.htm and google it. Not a
single one of them does not have over three dozen links to similar (or
exact) looking points. As well, anyone who looks at "his" article on the
Microsoft site can see that it is culled from Microsoft Access Help. And
anyone familiar with web site design can see that the Tancey site has all
the marks of having been designed between 1995 and 1997. The "Best viewed
with" logos, the broken links, and the referral advertising are proof enough
of that. But truth is of little importance when it comes to defending your
little Internet buddies.
John Goldner
"David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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Larry Linson
> I did not post anonymously
Nah, you posted from a hotmail address -- which anybody can get in the
twinkling of an eye. And, as the only person who ever raises the
"plagiarism" issue about Arvin is Don aka XMVP aka ... , it is a reasonable
assumption. It is, by the way, the assumption under which I am still
operating.
And, if he used "canned text" in ALL the items mentioned, my question is "So
what?".
Casual passersby don't go to the effort you did to try to make someone look
bad. Nice try, but it didn't work... You get an "E" for effort, but that's
not a passing grade.
Mike Preston
<jgol...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I did not post anonymously and did not use the same Outlook Express client
>as the other guy did.
OK, for now, I'll assume you aren't asshole Don. Let's see if you are
a close relation.
> All I did was state what was obvious to anyone who
>read Arvin Meyer's published material, that Arvin Meyer is a plagiarist.
This is such a load of hooie.
>Apparently, Arvin Meyer must have also believed he was a plagiarist, since
>he went out of his way to get the previous thread that exposed his fraud
>deleted off Google Groups.
Can you support this statement? I wouldn't think Bill Gates himself
could get Google Groups to eliminate something from usenet. Curious
minds want to know.
>See, Arvin states (who is to believe what he writes anymore?) that "The one
>that I do remember originating from another source was one or 2 of the
>bullets in the privacy statement." Whoa! What a monster of a lie! Take
>any bullet from http://www.datastrat.com/Privacy.htm and google it. Not a
>single one of them does not have over three dozen links to similar (or
>exact) looking points.
I can't imagine a privacy statement of anybody not being something
that was cribbed, in part, from another source. A privacy statement
is something that is typically provided by one's lawyer (or web host,
or commercial web site designer, or...or...or...). It is rare that
someone would sit down and pen an original of something like that.
The fact that the source that was used was used by others is hardly
surprising. The language was probably provided at a fee, from a
reputable source and that source sold that same language to many
others. How do you jump to a conclusion of unwarranted copying from
the mere fact that others have similar, even exact, language, in a
privacy statement?
> As well, anyone who looks at "his" article on the
>Microsoft site can see that it is culled from Microsoft Access Help.
Uh, if I'm writing an article for MICROSOFT, which is going to be used
for support or documentation purposes, I am going to start with the
MICROSOFT product's help screens and language contained therein. How
does use of proprietary language FOR THE PROPRIETOR WHO WROTE IT TO
BEGIN WITH constitute unwarranted copying? If you want to accuse him
of something, accuse him of not being terribly original. But accusing
him of plagiarism is just plain silly. You can't steal from Peter,
Paul and Mary if you are writing FOR Peter, Paul and Mary and they
give you permission to use their previous work.
> And
>anyone familiar with web site design can see that the Tancey site has all
>the marks of having been designed between 1995 and 1997. The "Best viewed
>with" logos, the broken links, and the referral advertising are proof enough
>of that. But truth is of little importance when it comes to defending your
>little Internet buddies.
He's not a buddy of mine. I wouldn't know him from Adam. But I have
benefitted from his willingness to share (in the past). And the likes
of Don, who I'm still not convinced you are not, have made this
newsgroup a less hospitable place than it was a few years ago. And
that is such a supreme detriment to the Access community that it isn't
even remotely funny. I certainly don't blame those who decided to cut
back their involement in this newsgroup because of the hostile posts.
I just wish the hostile posts had never started.
If you aren't him, do some research on the two (Don, Arvin) and then
come back. The first is a psuedo-intellectual, homophobic, selfish
individual (and those are the kindest things I can think to say about
him), the latter has shared many an hour (and I mean MANY) of his work
product with the Access community, along with many more hours of
contributions to this newsgroup. The two don't really belong on the
same planet. It is a cruel irony that they are.
mike
Sherwood Wang
u mr tony toews yes? big liar from canada somehow! ha-ha-ha so very funny
mr tony toews. i figure out you!
if not i make apologize now. very sorry.
Sherwood Wang
***MVP***
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John Goldner
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> to mr johm goldner and no other people please.
>
> u mr tony toews yes? big liar from canada somehow! ha-ha-ha so very
funny
> mr tony toews. i figure out you!
>
> if not i make apologize now. very sorry.
>
> Sherwood Wang
> ***MVP***
What an incredible coincidence! I was just thinking you might be Tony
Toews. Then I realized there's a difference between not grasping the
English language and being retarded. Are you Arvin Meyer or Larry Linson?
rkc
I feel ashamed...
but this just fuckin' cracked me up.
Sherwood Wang
ha-ha-ha i give it! so good joke very funny mr johm goldner!
father wang say //watch out little wang--stupid man talking not same as man
talking stupid// is good english father wang make yes? is good cents 2!
but u honesty now ok? u in canada north america buy videotron.ca service.
mr tony toews same canada north america! all peoples canada north america
is mr tony toews yes? u axe mr larry linson very genius man. all peoples
free terranews is 1 peoples. so all make cents true?
i post hong kong-koashung-perth-sydney. very good seeing u under equater
some time! make very good PALS yes?
Sherwood Wang
***MVP***
Albert Wong
figure out my feelin to david just appreciation not love so why i need kiss
him like he tell me? i don't like to taste david his mouth water.
thank you sherwood wang for help all give me.
Albert Wong
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Sherwood Wang
PALS not mean FAGS mr albert wong. u english blows!
Sherwood Wang
***MVP***
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