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  <title type="text">comp.compression Google Group</title>
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  Data compression algorithms and theory.
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  <updated>2008-07-24T00:38:16Z</updated>
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  <author>
  <name>biject</name>
  <email>biject.b...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-24T00:38:16Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/c0c42110a7b12de1/5942cc5a833d1fe2?show_docid=5942cc5a833d1fe2</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/c0c42110a7b12de1/5942cc5a833d1fe2?show_docid=5942cc5a833d1fe2"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Bijective 2 State Arithmatic coding question</title>
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  Actually if you look at the includes you will find a routine &lt;br&gt; w() this is core routine that changes bits to bytes bijectively on &lt;br&gt; output. &lt;br&gt; w(0) is where you are writting a &#39;0&#39; bit and w(1) is where your &lt;br&gt; writting &lt;br&gt; a one &#39;1&#39; bit. w(-1) it when your done you could call it end of &lt;br&gt; string. &lt;br&gt; But there is an excpct if the string is all ones. then the -1 at end
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  <author>
  <name>Jim Leonard</name>
  <email>mobyga...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-23T17:37:17Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/5595ae01b7f2b0a0?show_docid=5595ae01b7f2b0a0"/>
  <title type="text">Re: compression type</title>
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  We&#39;re done here. I think your next course of action is to stop &lt;br&gt; ranting and program an LZ77 compressor so that you gain actual &lt;br&gt; experience writing a compressor. Here&#39;s a few links to help you get &lt;br&gt; started: &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://datacompression.dogma.net/index.php?title=FAQ:Intro_to_Data_Compression-_Huffman_and_Arithmetic_Coding%2C_LZ77%2C_LZ78&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Jim Leonard</name>
  <email>mobyga...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-23T17:24:06Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/8caf2d8b9f27f4a0?show_docid=8caf2d8b9f27f4a0</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/8caf2d8b9f27f4a0?show_docid=8caf2d8b9f27f4a0"/>
  <title type="text">Re: genuine random compressability</title>
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  What is a &amp;quot;data block&amp;quot;? Data is not free. If you constrain your idea &lt;br&gt; of a &amp;quot;data block&amp;quot; to a single byte then you can see there is no space &lt;br&gt; savings. &lt;br&gt; Already you are disproving your own argument. You are saying that it &lt;br&gt; should be simple to represent: &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;ajkl12&amp;quot; &lt;br&gt; in a different form with: &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;(data but not aj k, and 12: aj:k:12: data)TOKENS&amp;quot;
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  <author>
  <name>Fibonacci Code</name>
  <email>angli...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-23T13:44:56Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3f5cd8177cb62e02/17ed15907ea2d5a9?show_docid=17ed15907ea2d5a9"/>
  <title type="text">Fast and Efficient Ring Compressor</title>
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  &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://encode.ru/forums/index.php?action=vthread&amp;forum=1&amp;topic=537&amp;page=0&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <author>
  <name>Fibonacci Code</name>
  <email>angli...@gmail.com</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-23T13:17:21Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/c0c42110a7b12de1/dc119c44595a1f25?show_docid=dc119c44595a1f25</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/c0c42110a7b12de1/dc119c44595a1f25?show_docid=dc119c44595a1f25"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Bijective 2 State Arithmatic coding question</title>
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  Hi Biject, &lt;br&gt; Thanks for your info, I am aware now, the program &lt;br&gt; actually work in bytes. &lt;br&gt; my problem is that I need to use it in a variable length bit string &lt;br&gt; consist of eg &#39;010001011 11110000 101&#39; &lt;br&gt; which is not a direct byte block and the output is not a byte block &lt;br&gt; either. &lt;br&gt; Is there possible of such kind of 2 state arithmatic compresser ? Any
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  <email>imecs_2...@iaeng.org</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-23T09:39:26Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/0e0496c578f5b7e4/8095d8b0ce65f4af?show_docid=8095d8b0ce65f4af"/>
  <title type="text">Last Call for Papers (extended): World Congress on Engineering and Computer Science WCECS 2008</title>
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  Last CFP (extended): World Congress on Engineering and Computer &lt;br&gt; Science WCECS 2008 &lt;br&gt; WCECS 2008: San Francisco, USA, 22-24 October, 2008 &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.iaeng.org/WCECS2008&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br&gt; Important Dates: &lt;br&gt; Draft Paper Submission Deadline (extended): 30 July, 2008 &lt;br&gt; Camera-Ready Papers Due &amp;amp; Registration Deadline (extended): 16 August,
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  <author>
  <name>Kappasm</name>
  <email>_nospam_78kappa78_no_s...@virgilio.it</email>
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  <updated>2008-07-23T07:19:47Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/fdb1f550ec1474f8/bd7b1db1ebed9208?show_docid=bd7b1db1ebed9208"/>
  <title type="text">PCR re-stamping this unknown ...</title>
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  Hi, &lt;br&gt; I can not find detailed information on this feature &amp;quot;PCR re-stamping&amp;quot;. In &lt;br&gt; certain applications it may be that the input stream from the transport &lt;br&gt; multiplexer is provided at a fixed rate and will not support the standard TS &lt;br&gt; interface handshake mechanism and consequently some form of rate adaption is
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  <author>
  <name>mcjason</name>
  <email>mcja...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T05:14:41Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/99e7a94c7763ab93?show_docid=99e7a94c7763ab93"/>
  <title type="text">Re: compression type</title>
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  and i bet though that what&#39;s compressed is able to be compressed again &lt;br&gt; the same way.. i mean, there should be any reason why there isn&#39;t &lt;br&gt; patterns to find like this in how you say curved lines and sphere &lt;br&gt; areas...
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  <author>
  <name>mcjason</name>
  <email>mcja...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T05:12:40Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/71c6d393e53202ea?show_docid=71c6d393e53202ea"/>
  <title type="text">Re: compression type</title>
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  and maybe the file format would be where at the beginning just say one &lt;br&gt; thing after the other the way each thing after another can only be &lt;br&gt; what starts in the center at rotates around what makes it so a curved &lt;br&gt; line maybe can also be draw to connect things to together? then the &lt;br&gt; rest of the file as just curved line tokens?
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  <author>
  <name>mcjason</name>
  <email>mcja...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T05:02:12Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/ed785b95a53b1fd9?show_docid=ed785b95a53b1fd9"/>
  <title type="text">Re: compression type</title>
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  so it&#39;s like saying that in data of any size no matter what, there&#39;s a &lt;br&gt; benefit if it can be found to have a pattern that&#39;s bigger than the &lt;br&gt; token be reorganized more than one way right? &lt;br&gt; like, in all of the data to compress... just find in all of it &lt;br&gt; &amp;quot;uiJKllnq&amp;quot; and also &amp;quot;KlluiB&amp;quot; to store &amp;quot;ui J K ll n q b&amp;quot;, and then
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  <author>
  <name>mcjason</name>
  <email>mcja...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T04:28:41Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/13c51c0f74ae8761?show_docid=13c51c0f74ae8761"/>
  <title type="text">Re: compression type</title>
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  For the point of what I tried saying about random... &lt;br&gt; since it can be said that any random data is compressed if you have a &lt;br&gt; software program with the same entropy source seed the generation of &lt;br&gt; random data, isn&#39;t it the same to say that random carries no trend in &lt;br&gt; it&#39;s nature against compressability? &lt;br&gt; Like, duh... isn&#39;t the random generating software program just the
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  <author>
  <name>mcjason</name>
  <email>mcja...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T02:06:57Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/9f872334e55cd4a5?show_docid=9f872334e55cd4a5"/>
  <title type="text">Re: genuine random compressability</title>
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  anybody know how to explain that tradeoff better than me?
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  <author>
  <name>mcjason</name>
  <email>mcja...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T02:03:54Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/7ea3dcef9aa4a22e?show_docid=7ea3dcef9aa4a22e"/>
  <title type="text">Re: genuine random compressability</title>
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  i mean to say.. &lt;br&gt; isn&#39;t it like saying that no matter what the size of data is, it&#39;s &lt;br&gt; that the way to just say it and not be smaller is &lt;br&gt; (sphere)TOKEN but then to say smaller is to only find _in any size it &lt;br&gt; can be_ only a few patterns that reorganize. &lt;br&gt; it&#39;s neat how the size of the curves and how you work the sphere area
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  <author>
  <name>mcjason</name>
  <email>mcja...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-23T01:53:14Z</updated>
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  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/2835f6addf7e3c0f?show_docid=2835f6addf7e3c0f"/>
  <title type="text">Re: genuine random compressability</title>
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  Ok so given nothing different about the size I was thinking it would &lt;br&gt; be a file with just the same size about for what it is it say &lt;br&gt; (sphere)TOKEN and just if you have all the data into the sphere not &lt;br&gt; broken apart. &lt;br&gt; so that&#39;s the same size, so then it can be thought that everything to &lt;br&gt; do where size is smaller is to be where something like
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Jim Leonard</name>
  <email>mobyga...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-07-22T19:31:08Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/2017cc7db8a2a1da?show_docid=2017cc7db8a2a1da</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/comp.compression/browse_thread/thread/3acd3ccec384c96a/2017cc7db8a2a1da?show_docid=2017cc7db8a2a1da"/>
  <title type="text">Re: genuine random compressability</title>
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  You are completely neglecting the size of the data necessary to &lt;br&gt; describe these spheres and curves/lines. Saying &amp;quot;put all the file in &lt;br&gt; a sphere&amp;quot; implies that you are defining a sphere and indicating where &lt;br&gt; the file goes. That takes up space. It is not free. Try working it &lt;br&gt; out and you&#39;ll see that this arbitrary arrangement takes up more space
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