Re: Open Source alternative for Autocad 2004 DFX File Editing,...

[Cliff]

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:40:13 +0200, Kerem Gümrükcü <kare...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Hi,
>
>i am looking for some open source software for either windows or
>linux, that can handle autocad 2004 dxf files, edit them, save them
>and if possible has the functionallities like Autodesks Autocad.
>
>I have a old license that cant handle the new files and buying a new
>one is really expensive and i dont have the money yet to buy a new
>license, so i am looking for some open source stuff. Windows would
>be the preferred basis, and if not available then linux.
>
>I also developed lots of software and released it either as
>open source or freeware. Maybe this time someone has
>something usefull for me,...
>
>I really dont have the money, even for s cheap solution,...
>Is there something that can do this for me,...
>
>Regards
>
>Kerem

Added alt.machines.cnc xposting.

http://www.intellicad.org/ ?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=autocad+clone&btnG=Google+Search
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Cliff

[castleb...@att.net]

"Cliff" <Clhu...@aol.com> wrote in message
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An AutoCAD clone may or may not do what you need. Some of the oddball things
I do wont.

Bob

[over a barrel]

<castleb...@att.net> wrote in message
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I do won't what ?

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[neil]

I really wish you wouldn't cross post this stuff cliff but to answer the
mans question-

if he is familiar with open source he probably knows Blender
http://www.blender.org/

Of late Blender has much improved DXF import via script including some 3d
and also has DXF export

I am not sure what he wants to do with the DXF but he might find this soln
useful - of course Blender is not a CAD program and he shouldn't expect to
find AutoCAD type tools to work with inside it.

He can find an on going BlenderArtists forum thread about the script
development here
http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=84319&page=15
Up to AutoCAD 2007 is supported

There are some users of Blender with architectural interests so he may find
some assistance to further questions about the usefulness of Blender for the
DXF work he has in mind at the forum as well

The Blender Artists community is very friendly and helpful and has
participants from all over the globe

Blender runs on Windows, Linux, Mac and some other platforms

Blender has a very active and open development community that I am sure
would welcome even more contributors

HTH

[Willem1]

> I have a old license that cant handle the new files and buying a new
> one is really expensive and i dont have the money yet to buy a new
> license, so i am looking for some open source stuff. Windows would
> be the preferred basis, and if not available then linux.

You could also consider to install DWGGateway
(http://www.dwggateway.com) in your current Autocad installation. This
plugin enables you to read and write newer Acad files.
So you can read even Acad2007 files into Acad R14 (or 2000, 2002 etc.)

Willem

[Cliff]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 19:56:15 -0700, "over a barrel"
<precision...@COLDmail.com> wrote:

>I do won't what ?

I think he's from Germany. Not bad.
Much of the thread in alt.cad is in German.
--
Cliff

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:48:22 +1200, "neil" <neil...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I really wish you wouldn't cross post this stuff cliff but to answer the
>mans question-

One must post the reply back to where he can see & read it
(which I have just done).

Thanks for the help/suggestions; alt.cad is usually rather dead
though I don't know about de.comp.cad.
--
Cliff

[BottleBob]

Willem1 wrote:

> Kerem G�mr�kc� <kare...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a old license that cant handle the new files,,,

> You could also consider to install DWGGateway
> (http://www.dwggateway.com) in your current Autocad installation. This
> plugin enables you to read and write newer Acad files.
> So you can read even Acad2007 files into Acad R14 (or 2000, 2002 etc.)

Willem:

Now that seems odd. It's my understanding that part of the "cash cow"
in the CAD/CAM world is paying yearly maintenance to get the latest
"updates", which often make the files unreadable by prior versions of
the software. Hence, to read files made by the latest versions you
have to keep your maintenance current.

Now here we have SolidWorks Corp. (who seems to sponsor and support
this DWGgateway site: "Free AutoCAD� converter from SolidWorks"
Corporation), to be used by their competitor's customers to circumvent
the NEED for them to stay current with their maintenance just so they
can read the latest files.

I wonder if SolidWorks Corp. would appreciate it if AutoCAD created
some translation software that allowed older versions of SolidWorks to
read the latest files, and gave it away FREE so that SolidWorks'
customers wouldn't have to pay yearly maintenance fees to remain
current to be able to read the latest files.

Or is there something going on here that I'm not aware of, or not
taking into consideration.

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

[tnik]

BottleBob wrote:
>
>
> Willem1 wrote:

Yea, its a catch 22.. if you want the latest features, bug fixes, and
newest toys, you have to pay the maintenance.. if you don't want to do
this, then I suggest waiting till the end of the year, purchase
solidworks 2k8 when they have SP5.0 out, then your good to go.

as for older releases not being able to read new files, you get that
because of all the new features they add from version to version. and to
keep support from one version to the next, if you think its buggy now,
could you imagine? Now say your on 2k7 and I'm on 2k8 and you wanted a
solid model.. I could save as a dumb solid and you would be able to
interperate the model that way.. you wont have the feature tree tho..

Thats one good thing about edrawings, they have a plugin for all cad
platforms out there.

other way SolidWorks could do it is up the price 3-5 times over, to pay
for the support group (eg. coders, testers, etc..) and have a stable
version, hopefully with no service packs needed. but then how many ppl
would actually purchase it?

I think for what SW is, its a great tool, at a decent price, even with
the maintenance.. It makes my life a helluva lot easier now that I dont
have to draw everything in a 2.5d cad environment. and say I have to
change something on a part, couple clicks and I'm done, in 2.5d, I could
spend hours trying to fix, or just re-drawing it.. and hell, who likes
to stare at a wireframe day in and day out.. I know my eyes start to bug
out..

[jon_banquer]

> I wonder if SolidWorks Corp. would appreciate it if AutoCAD created
> some translation software that allowed older versions of SolidWorks to
> read the latest files, and gave it away FREE so that SolidWorks'
> customers wouldn't have to pay yearly maintenance fees to remain
> current to be able to read the latest files.

No translation software needed when one is smart enough to understand
what Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology is and the tremendous
benefits it offers.

> Or is there something going on here that I'm not aware of, or not
> taking into consideration.

LOL.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

[BottleBob]

Jon:

I think you've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post. It wasn't
the issue of translation software itself, but that SolidWorks Corp. is
giving away software that seems to partially undermine AutoCAD's
maintenance fee system.

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

[jon_banquer]

> I think you've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post. It wasn't
> the issue of translation software itself, but that SolidWorks Corp. is
> giving away software that seems to partially undermine AutoCAD's
> maintenance fee system.

You've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post... that it doesn't
matter anymore if one is smart enough to use Solid Edge with
Synchronous Technology.

Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology undermines everyone in the CAD
business maintenance fee system because you no longer need their
parametric features.

In fact, you can edit someone else's SolidWorks models faster with
Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology than with SolidWorks itself.

[Joe788]

Didn't you just finish up a 8 month Jihad about understanding and
maintaining design intent?

[jon_banquer]

[BottleBob]

jon_banquer wrote:
>> I think you've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post. It wasn't
>> the issue of translation software itself, but that SolidWorks Corp. is
>> giving away software that seems to partially undermine AutoCAD's
>> maintenance fee system.
>
> You've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post...

Jon:

I believe I understood the focus of your post just fine. But your
post was a reply to mine, as as such it was a non sequitur, and
essentially non responsive.

> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology undermines everyone in the CAD
> business maintenance fee system because you no longer need their
> parametric features.
>
> In fact, you can edit someone else's SolidWorks models faster with
> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology than with SolidWorks itself.

Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true. I will say the
it certainly LOOKS impressive from viewing some demos on the Siemens site.

http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/campaigns/breakthrough/index.shtml

But whether it will revolutionize the CAD industry remains to be seen.
Other CAD systems might very well try to change their export files in
such a manner as to make them unreadable by Solid Edge, or anything
else using Synchronous Technology. The point being, that long range
predictions may be a little premature, especially since it hasn't been
released to the public yet.
It appears exciting, but time will tell if it actually lives up to
it's potential.

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

[Joe788]

Here's a nice post when you were on your idiotic "figure out the
design intent" Jihad. The sad part is, you apparently couldn't even
come up with it yourself. It was just somebody else's opinion that you
copy/pasted/pedaled.

"For example, a user might add a fillet, which generates relationships
between the arc of the fillet and the features that created the edges.
Editing models can thus lead to unpredictable results, such as lost
design intent or features that fail when rebuilding models." -Jon
Banquer, San Diego, CA

So, captain clueless, how's that "design intent" looking after you've
spent a half hour dragging and dropping features with the steering
wheel?

[jon_banquer]

>Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true.

Wrong. There is no "may not turn out to be true" about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxT4eMsjuo

> Other CAD systems might very well try to change their export files in
> such a manner as to make them unreadable by Solid Edge, or anything
> else using Synchronous Technology.

Wrong again. You can't put a lock on pure geometry. You obviously have
no clue how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology works. If you
import any non-native geometry, even an IGES file, into Solid Edge
with Synchronous Technology that geometry reacts exactly the same as
it does if the geometry was drawn natively in Solid Edge with
Synchronous Technology

Jon Banquer

[Joe788]

[I'm committed to working with HSMWorks to doing just that. Shouldn't
be too hard because their head of US operations and I see things in
almost the exact same way and because HSMWorks is interested in what I
have to say and wants to work with me.] - Jon Banquer -

[Who I'm working with to deliver what truly will be the next
generation
of CAM: www.hsmworks.com] -Jon Banquer-

[I understand why your shop did not go with HSMWorks. We have a lot of
work to do. ] - Jon Banquer

"Jon is not affiliated with HSMWorks ApS in any way and that we cannot
control what people are writing on the web. Anybody can get evaluation
licenses of HSMWorks and test it themselves.I hope this clarifies any
doubt." - HSMWorks Aps

[jon_banquer]

[BottleBob]

jon_banquer wrote:
> >Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true.
>
> Wrong. There is no "may not turn out to be true" about it:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxT4eMsjuo
>
>> Other CAD systems might very well try to change their export files in
>> such a manner as to make them unreadable by Solid Edge, or anything
>> else using Synchronous Technology.
>
> Wrong again. You can't put a lock on pure geometry. You obviously have
> no clue how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology works.

Jon:

You're correct, I DON'T know how Solid Edge ST works. I'm not a
software programmer, so I'm just speculating about the possibilities.

> If you
> import any non-native geometry, even an IGES file, into Solid Edge
> with Synchronous Technology that geometry reacts exactly the same as
> it does if the geometry was drawn natively in Solid Edge with
> Synchronous Technology

Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
types of geometric files? Or if not, what types of file formats WILL
it import?

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

[jon_banquer]

> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
> types of geometric files?

Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
"smart" as you want.

[brew...@aol.com]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:20:57 -0700, BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>
> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>types of geometric files? Or if not, what types of file formats WILL
>it import?
>

>BottleBob

BB,

Opps, you should know you can't ask Jon a simple direct on topic
questions and expect a simple direct on topic answer.

Tom

[jon_banquer]

> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
> types of geometric files?

Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but

geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
"smart" as you want.

Jon Banquer

[BottleBob]

jon_banquer wrote:
>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> types of geometric files?
>
> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
> geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
> fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
> Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
> "smart" as you want.

Jon:

*IF* it could IMPORT Pro-E, Catia, Inventor, Rhino, and virtually
every other CAD format and then OUTPUT in say Parasolid, then one seat
of Solid Edge might be a bargain for that reason alone. It would save
on having to pay maintenance on multiple seats of CAM software just to
get the latest translation updates.
What format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

[jon_banquer]

Pro/e can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.

CATIA can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.

Inventor can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.

Rhino can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.

Solid Edge with S/T can import Parasolid.

Solid Edge with S/T can import ACIS.

[BottleBob]

jon_banquer wrote:
> On Jul 18, 9:44 pm, BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> *IF* it could IMPORT Pro-E, Catia, Inventor, Rhino, and virtually
>> every other CAD format and then OUTPUT in say Parasolid, then one seat
>> of Solid Edge might be a bargain for that reason alone. It would save
>> on having to pay maintenance on multiple seats of CAM software just to
>> get the latest translation updates.
>> What format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?

> Pro/e can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>
> CATIA can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>
> Inventor can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>
> Rhino can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>
> Solid Edge with S/T can import Parasolid.
>
> Solid Edge with S/T can import ACIS.

Jon:

So much for the universal translater idea. I was hoping it could
import more native formats then just IGES, Parasolid, and ACIS.

My interest is still piqued a little. Will it import flat geometry
(such as DXF's)?

How much is the projected price of Solid Edge ST?

And what format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?

--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

[jon_banquer]

http://www.ugnx.net/solid-edge-18

http://www.ugnx.net/solid-edge-73

[jon_banquer]

I was hoping it could import more native formats then just IGES,
Parasolid, and ACIS.

It can.

> My interest is still piqued a little. Will it import flat geometry
> (such as DXF's)?

Yes and it's very good at converting wireframe (what you call flat
geometry) to a 3D solid.

> How much is the projected price of Solid Edge ST?

I don't sell software. Contact a Solid Edge VAR.

> And what format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?

See the links I provided.

[Joe788]

What happens to your beloved "design intent" when you export a ProE
or .sldprt file as an IGES, and open it in your wonderful drag-and-
drop modeler?

[jon_banquer]

> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
> types of geometric files?

Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
"smart" as you want.

Jon Banquer

[Joe788]

So the "design intent" is completely gone then, huh?

[jon_banquer]

[Joe788]

That's what I thought.

[jon_banquer]

[Joe788]

How do you "add any design intent you wish" to a part that's already
been designed in a different CAD system, with "design intent." You
just add your own design intent to a customer's model?

You've repeated the word "design intent" so many times, I'd expect you
to tumble down a flight of stairs and bust open your pizza filled
briefcase at any moment.

[jon_banquer]

[brew...@aol.com]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:24:05 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com>
wrote:

What Jon is avoiding is:

Design intent and all constraints are stripped when it is imported as
a "dumb solid" and stays that way if/when he returns it to the
customer.

Lets say Jon takes a customer supplied Solid Model and imports it into
SE-ST and he hacks and whacks the model. What does he send back to the
customer?

Customer sent a file with design intent, associativity, constraints,
engineering data, print data, etc. intact in their model and they want
a SolidWorks, ProE, CATIA, etc. model back not some "dumb solid". How
are they to make prints, generate CAM data from their CAD/CAM system
or PLM after Jon exports a hacked and whacked dumb solid for them?

Tom

[jon_banquer]

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:17:54 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Added alt.machines.cnc,comp.cad.solidworks,alt.cad,de.comp.cad
to xposting so that they can see it !!!

>> I think you've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post. It wasn't
>> the issue of translation software itself, but that SolidWorks Corp. is
>> giving away software that seems to partially undermine AutoCAD's
>> maintenance fee system.
>
>You've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post... that it doesn't
>matter anymore if one is smart enough to use Solid Edge with
>Synchronous Technology.
>
>Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology undermines everyone in the CAD
>business maintenance fee system because you no longer need their
>parametric features.
>
>In fact, you can edit someone else's SolidWorks models faster with

>Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology than with SolidWorks itself.

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:25:19 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

Added alt.machines.cnc,comp.cad.solidworks,alt.cad,de.comp.cad
to xposting so that they can see it !!!

>On Jul 18, 7:17 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I think you've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post. It wasn't
>> > the issue of translation software itself, but that SolidWorks Corp. is
>> > giving away software that seems to partially undermine AutoCAD's
>> > maintenance fee system.
>>
>> You've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post... that it doesn't
>> matter anymore if one is smart enough to use Solid Edge with
>> Synchronous Technology.
>>
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology undermines everyone in the CAD
>> business maintenance fee system because you no longer need their
>> parametric features.
>>
>> In fact, you can edit someone else's SolidWorks models faster with
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology than with SolidWorks itself.
>>
>> Jon Banquer
>> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>

>Didn't you just finish up a 8 month Jihad about understanding and
>maintaining design intent?

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:29:35 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Added alt.machines.cnc,comp.cad.solidworks,alt.cad,de.comp.cad
to xposting so that they can see it.

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:07:42 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

Added alt.machines.cnc,comp.cad.solidworks,alt.cad,de.comp.cad
to xposting so that they can see it.

>On Jul 18, 7:29 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > I think you've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post. It wasn't
>> > the issue of translation software itself, but that SolidWorks Corp. is
>> > giving away software that seems to partially undermine AutoCAD's
>> > maintenance fee system.
>>
>> You've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post... that it doesn't
>> matter anymore if one is smart enough to use Solid Edge with
>> Synchronous Technology.
>>
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology undermines everyone in the CAD
>> business maintenance fee system because you no longer need their
>> parametric features.
>>
>> In fact, you can edit someone else's SolidWorks models faster with
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology than with SolidWorks itself.
>>
>> Jon Banquer
>> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>

>Here's a nice post when you were on your idiotic "figure out the
>design intent" Jihad. The sad part is, you apparently couldn't even
>come up with it yourself. It was just somebody else's opinion that you
>copy/pasted/pedaled.
>
>"For example, a user might add a fillet, which generates relationships
>between the arc of the fillet and the features that created the edges.
>Editing models can thus lead to unpredictable results, such as lost
>design intent or features that fail when rebuilding models." -Jon
>Banquer, San Diego, CA
>
>So, captain clueless, how's that "design intent" looking after you've
>spent a half hour dragging and dropping features with the steering
>wheel?
>

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:04:30 -0700, BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote:

Added alt.machines.cnc,comp.cad.solidworks,alt.cad,de.comp.cad
to xposting so that they can see it.

>
>jon_banquer wrote:
>>> I think you've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post. It wasn't
>>> the issue of translation software itself, but that SolidWorks Corp. is
>>> giving away software that seems to partially undermine AutoCAD's
>>> maintenance fee system.
>>
>> You've misinterpreted the primary focus of my post...
>

>Jon:
>
> I believe I understood the focus of your post just fine. But your
>post was a reply to mine, as as such it was a non sequitur, and
>essentially non responsive.

>
>
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology undermines everyone in the CAD
>> business maintenance fee system because you no longer need their
>> parametric features.
>>
>> In fact, you can edit someone else's SolidWorks models faster with
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology than with SolidWorks itself.
>

> Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true. I will say the
>it certainly LOOKS impressive from viewing some demos on the Siemens site.
>
>http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/campaigns/breakthrough/index.shtml
>
> But whether it will revolutionize the CAD industry remains to be seen.

> Other CAD systems might very well try to change their export files in
>such a manner as to make them unreadable by Solid Edge, or anything

>else using Synchronous Technology. The point being, that long range
>predictions may be a little premature, especially since it hasn't been
>released to the public yet.
> It appears exciting, but time will tell if it actually lives up to
>it's potential.

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:44:11 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Added alt.machines.cnc,comp.cad.solidworks,alt.cad,de.comp.cad
to xposting so that they can see it.

> >Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true.
>

>Wrong. There is no "may not turn out to be true" about it:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxT4eMsjuo
>

>> Other CAD systems might very well try to change their export files in
>> such a manner as to make them unreadable by Solid Edge, or anything
>> else using Synchronous Technology.
>

>Wrong again. You can't put a lock on pure geometry. You obviously have

>no clue how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology works. If you

>import any non-native geometry, even an IGES file, into Solid Edge
>with Synchronous Technology that geometry reacts exactly the same as

>it does if the geometry was drawn natively in Solid Edge with
>Synchronous Technology
>

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:03:26 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

Added alt.machines.cnc,comp.cad.solidworks,alt.cad,de.comp.cad
to xposting so that they can see it.

>On Jul 18, 8:44 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true.
>>
>> Wrong. There is no "may not turn out to be true" about it:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxT4eMsjuo
>>
>> > Other CAD systems might very well try to change their export files in
>> > such a manner as to make them unreadable by Solid Edge, or anything
>> > else using Synchronous Technology.
>>
>> Wrong again. You can't put a lock on pure geometry. You obviously have
>> no clue how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology works. If you
>> import any non-native geometry, even an IGES file, into Solid Edge
>> with Synchronous Technology that geometry reacts exactly the same as
>> it does if the geometry was drawn natively in Solid Edge with
>> Synchronous Technology
>>
>> Jon Banquer
>> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>

>[I'm committed to working with HSMWorks to doing just that. Shouldn't
>be too hard because their head of US operations and I see things in
>almost the exact same way and because HSMWorks is interested in what I
>have to say and wants to work with me.] - Jon Banquer -
>
>[Who I'm working with to deliver what truly will be the next
>generation
>of CAM: www.hsmworks.com] -Jon Banquer-
>
>[I understand why your shop did not go with HSMWorks. We have a lot of
>work to do. ] - Jon Banquer
>
>"Jon is not affiliated with HSMWorks ApS in any way and that we cannot
>control what people are writing on the web. Anybody can get evaluation
>licenses of HSMWorks and test it themselves.I hope this clarifies any
>doubt." - HSMWorks Aps

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:17:26 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
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> >Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true.

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>
>jon_banquer wrote:
>> >Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true.
>>
>> Wrong. There is no "may not turn out to be true" about it:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxT4eMsjuo
>>
>>> Other CAD systems might very well try to change their export files in
>>> such a manner as to make them unreadable by Solid Edge, or anything
>>> else using Synchronous Technology.
>>
>> Wrong again. You can't put a lock on pure geometry. You obviously have
>> no clue how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology works.
>

>Jon:
>
> You're correct, I DON'T know how Solid Edge ST works. I'm not a
>software programmer, so I'm just speculating about the possibilities.

>
>> If you
>> import any non-native geometry, even an IGES file, into Solid Edge
>> with Synchronous Technology that geometry reacts exactly the same as
>> it does if the geometry was drawn natively in Solid Edge with
>> Synchronous Technology
>

> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL

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>On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:20:57 -0700, BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net>
>wrote:
>
>>

>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>>types of geometric files? Or if not, what types of file formats WILL
>>it import?
>>

>>BottleBob
>
>BB,
>
>Opps, you should know you can't ask Jon a simple direct on topic
>questions and expect a simple direct on topic answer.
>
>Tom

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:41:13 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
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>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> types of geometric files?
>

>Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>"smart" as you want.
>

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:44:41 -0700, BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote:

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>
>jon_banquer wrote:
>>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>>> types of geometric files?
>>
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>> geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>> fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>> Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>> "smart" as you want.
>

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:55:19 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
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>On Jul 18, 9:44 pm, BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> jon_banquer wrote:
>> >> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> >> types of geometric files?
>>
>> > Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>> > geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>> > fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>> > Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>> > "smart" as you want.
>>
>> Jon:
>>
>> *IF* it could IMPORT Pro-E, Catia, Inventor, Rhino, and virtually
>> every other CAD format and then OUTPUT in say Parasolid, then one seat
>> of Solid Edge might be a bargain for that reason alone. It would save
>> on having to pay maintenance on multiple seats of CAM software just to
>> get the latest translation updates.
>> What format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?
>>

>> --
>> BottleBobhttp://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>
>Pro/e can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>
>CATIA can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>
>Inventor can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>
>Rhino can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>
>Solid Edge with S/T can import Parasolid.
>
>Solid Edge with S/T can import ACIS.
>

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:07:31 -0700, BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote:

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>
>jon_banquer wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 9:44 pm, BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>> *IF* it could IMPORT Pro-E, Catia, Inventor, Rhino, and virtually
>>> every other CAD format and then OUTPUT in say Parasolid, then one seat
>>> of Solid Edge might be a bargain for that reason alone. It would save
>>> on having to pay maintenance on multiple seats of CAM software just to
>>> get the latest translation updates.
>>> What format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?
>
>

>> Pro/e can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>>
>> CATIA can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>>
>> Inventor can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>>
>> Rhino can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>>
>> Solid Edge with S/T can import Parasolid.
>>
>> Solid Edge with S/T can import ACIS.
>

>Jon:
>
> So much for the universal translater idea. I was hoping it could

>import more native formats then just IGES, Parasolid, and ACIS.
>

> My interest is still piqued a little. Will it import flat geometry
>(such as DXF's)?
>

> How much is the projected price of Solid Edge ST?
>

> And what format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:14:01 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
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> I was hoping it could import more native formats then just IGES,
>Parasolid, and ACIS.
>
>It can.

>
>> My interest is still piqued a little. Will it import flat geometry
>> (such as DXF's)?
>

>Yes and it's very good at converting wireframe (what you call flat
>geometry) to a 3D solid.

>
>> How much is the projected price of Solid Edge ST?
>

>I don't sell software. Contact a Solid Edge VAR.

>
>> And what format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?
>

>See the links I provided.

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:09:01 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
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>http://www.ugnx.net/solid-edge-18
>
>http://www.ugnx.net/solid-edge-73

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:16:25 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

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>On Jul 18, 9:55 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 18, 9:44 pm, BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>

>> > jon_banquer wrote:
>> > >> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> > >> types of geometric files?
>>
>> > > Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>> > > geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>> > > fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>> > > Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>> > > "smart" as you want.
>>
>> > Jon:
>>

>> > *IF* it could IMPORT Pro-E, Catia, Inventor, Rhino, and virtually
>> > every other CAD format and then OUTPUT in say Parasolid, then one seat
>> > of Solid Edge might be a bargain for that reason alone. It would save
>> > on having to pay maintenance on multiple seats of CAM software just to
>> > get the latest translation updates.

>> > What format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?
>>
>> > --
>> > BottleBobhttp://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob

>>
>> Pro/e can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>>
>> CATIA can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>>
>> Inventor can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>>
>> Rhino can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>>
>> Solid Edge with S/T can import Parasolid.
>>
>> Solid Edge with S/T can import ACIS.
>>

>> Jon Banquer
>> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>

>What happens to your beloved "design intent" when you export a ProE
>or .sldprt file as an IGES, and open it in your wonderful drag-and-
>drop modeler?

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:18:57 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

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>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL

>> types of geometric files?
>
>Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>"smart" as you want.
>

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:24:05 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

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>On Jul 18, 10:18 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> > types of geometric files?
>>
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>> geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>> fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>> Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>> "smart" as you want.
>>
>> Jon Banquer

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:32:54 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
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>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:54:28 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

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>On Jul 18, 10:32 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> > types of geometric files?
>>
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>> geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>> fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>> Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>> "smart" as you want.
>>
>> Jon Banquer
>> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>

>That's what I thought.

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:55:47 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
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>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:06:04 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

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>On Jul 18, 10:55 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> > types of geometric files?
>>
>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>> geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>> fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>> Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>> "smart" as you want.
>>
>> Jon Banquer
>> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>

>How do you "add any design intent you wish" to a part that's already
>been designed in a different CAD system, with "design intent." You
>just add your own design intent to a customer's model?
>
>You've repeated the word "design intent" so many times, I'd expect you
>to tumble down a flight of stairs and bust open your pizza filled
>briefcase at any moment.

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>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:14:45 -0700, brew...@aol.com wrote:

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>On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:24:05 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com>
>wrote:
>

>>On Jul 18, 10:18 pm, jon_banquer <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>> > Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>>> > types of geometric files?
>>>
>>> Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>>> geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>>> fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>>> Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>>> "smart" as you want.
>>>
>>> Jon Banquer

>>> San Diego, CAhttp://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>>
>>So the "design intent" is completely gone then, huh?
>

>What Jon is avoiding is:
>
>Design intent and all constraints are stripped when it is imported as
>a "dumb solid" and stays that way if/when he returns it to the
>customer.
>
>Lets say Jon takes a customer supplied Solid Model and imports it into
>SE-ST and he hacks and whacks the model. What does he send back to the
>customer?
>
>Customer sent a file with design intent, associativity, constraints,
>engineering data, print data, etc. intact in their model and they want
>a SolidWorks, ProE, CATIA, etc. model back not some "dumb solid". How
>are they to make prints, generate CAM data from their CAD/CAM system
>or PLM after Jon exports a hacked and whacked dumb solid for them?
>
>Tom

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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 00:26:39 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
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>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 09:04:30 -0700, BottleBob <bott...@earthlink.net> wrote:

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>
>Willem1 wrote:
>
> > Kerem Gümrükcü <kare...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have a old license that cant handle the new files,,,
>
>
>> You could also consider to install DWGGateway
>> (http://www.dwggateway.com) in your current Autocad installation. This
>> plugin enables you to read and write newer Acad files.
>> So you can read even Acad2007 files into Acad R14 (or 2000, 2002 etc.)
>
>Willem:
>
> Now that seems odd. It's my understanding that part of the "cash cow"
>in the CAD/CAM world is paying yearly maintenance to get the latest
>"updates", which often make the files unreadable by prior versions of
>the software. Hence, to read files made by the latest versions you
>have to keep your maintenance current.
>
> Now here we have SolidWorks Corp. (who seems to sponsor and support
>this DWGgateway site: "Free AutoCAD® converter from SolidWorks"
>Corporation), to be used by their competitor's customers to circumvent
> the NEED for them to stay current with their maintenance just so they
>can read the latest files.

Being able to read or import something *for now* is not the
same as being able to use the new features in later versions
nor does it assure that important data is not lost.

> I wonder if SolidWorks Corp. would appreciate it if AutoCAD created
>some translation software that allowed older versions of SolidWorks to
>read the latest files, and gave it away FREE so that SolidWorks'
>customers wouldn't have to pay yearly maintenance fees to remain
>current to be able to read the latest files.
>
> Or is there something going on here that I'm not aware of, or not
>taking into consideration.

No doubt.
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>
>jon_banquer wrote:
>>> I wonder if SolidWorks Corp. would appreciate it if AutoCAD created
>>> some translation software that allowed older versions of SolidWorks to
>>> read the latest files, and gave it away FREE so that SolidWorks'
>>> customers wouldn't have to pay yearly maintenance fees to remain
>>> current to be able to read the latest files.
>>

>> No translation software needed when one is smart enough to understand
>> what Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology is and the tremendous
>> benefits it offers.

>>
>>> Or is there something going on here that I'm not aware of, or not
>>> taking into consideration.
>>

>> LOL.
>
>Jon:

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> Now here we have SolidWorks Corp. (who seems to sponsor and support
>this DWGgateway site: "Free AutoCAD® converter from SolidWorks"
>Corporation), to be used by their competitor's customers to circumvent
> the NEED for them to stay current with their maintenance just so they
>can read the latest files.

What of any 3D (or other) models?
Pictures & annotation ...
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>BottleBob wrote:
>>
>>
>> Willem1 wrote:
>>
>> > Kerem Gümrükcü <kare...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I have a old license that cant handle the new files,,,
>>
>>
>>> You could also consider to install DWGGateway
>>> (http://www.dwggateway.com) in your current Autocad installation. This
>>> plugin enables you to read and write newer Acad files.
>>> So you can read even Acad2007 files into Acad R14 (or 2000, 2002 etc.)
>>
>> Willem:
>>
>> Now that seems odd. It's my understanding that part of the "cash
>> cow" in the CAD/CAM world is paying yearly maintenance to get the latest
>> "updates", which often make the files unreadable by prior versions of
>> the software. Hence, to read files made by the latest versions you have
>> to keep your maintenance current.
>>

>> Now here we have SolidWorks Corp. (who seems to sponsor and support
>> this DWGgateway site: "Free AutoCAD® converter from SolidWorks"
>> Corporation), to be used by their competitor's customers to circumvent
>> the NEED for them to stay current with their maintenance just so they
>> can read the latest files.
>>

>> I wonder if SolidWorks Corp. would appreciate it if AutoCAD created
>> some translation software that allowed older versions of SolidWorks to
>> read the latest files, and gave it away FREE so that SolidWorks'
>> customers wouldn't have to pay yearly maintenance fees to remain current
>> to be able to read the latest files.
>>

>> Or is there something going on here that I'm not aware of, or not
>> taking into consideration.
>>

>Yea, its a catch 22.. if you want the latest features, bug fixes, and
>newest toys, you have to pay the maintenance.. if you don't want to do
>this, then I suggest waiting till the end of the year, purchase
>solidworks 2k8 when they have SP5.0 out, then your good to go.
>
>
>as for older releases not being able to read new files, you get that
>because of all the new features they add from version to version. and to
>keep support from one version to the next, if you think its buggy now,
>could you imagine? Now say your on 2k7 and I'm on 2k8 and you wanted a
>solid model.. I could save as a dumb solid and you would be able to
>interperate the model that way.. you wont have the feature tree tho..
>
> Thats one good thing about edrawings, they have a plugin for all cad
>platforms out there.
>
>other way SolidWorks could do it is up the price 3-5 times over, to pay
>for the support group (eg. coders, testers, etc..) and have a stable
>version, hopefully with no service packs needed. but then how many ppl
>would actually purchase it?
>
>I think for what SW is, its a great tool, at a decent price, even with
>the maintenance.. It makes my life a helluva lot easier now that I dont
>have to draw everything in a 2.5d cad environment. and say I have to
>change something on a part, couple clicks and I'm done, in 2.5d, I could
>spend hours trying to fix, or just re-drawing it.. and hell, who likes
>to stare at a wireframe day in and day out.. I know my eyes start to bug
>out..

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>Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology undermines everyone in the CAD
>business maintenance fee system because you no longer need their
>parametric features.

It's amazing that Solid Edge has no support to pay for or any maintenance fees
or upgrades down the road !!!
EXACTLY how much taining have YOU had on "Solid Edge with Synchronous
Technology"?
Pretty good with parametrics & swoopy surfaces, is it?
Great CAM too?
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:41:13 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL

>> types of geometric files?
>
>Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>"smart" as you want.

And this just lost all of the actual designer's "design intent"
so you get to fake it, right? LOL .... PLUS you lost all the associative
annotations, tolerances, notes & etc.

>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

Kook site.
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:07:42 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

>So, captain clueless, how's that "design intent" looking after you've
>spent a half hour dragging and dropping features with the steering
>wheel?

And after he got lost & trashed the model utterly then
filed it ... STILL no CNC code in sight .....
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On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:44:11 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> >Those statements may, or may not turn out to be true.
>
>Wrong. There is no "may not turn out to be true" about it:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CxT4eMsjuo
>
>> Other CAD systems might very well try to change their export files in
>> such a manner as to make them unreadable by Solid Edge, or anything
>> else using Synchronous Technology.
>
>Wrong again. You can't put a lock on pure geometry. You obviously have
>no clue how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology works. If you
>import any non-native geometry, even an IGES file, into Solid Edge
>with Synchronous Technology that geometry reacts exactly the same as
>it does if the geometry was drawn natively in Solid Edge with
>Synchronous Technology

Hence their quite open warnings about limited capabilities,
you cannot go backwards, surfaces etc.

And the SE version will be more limited than the UG version
so why are you not pushing UG instead? IT even has CAM !!

>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

Outdated, eh? Unused too?
Did you drool on it again?
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Cliff

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:17:26 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>You obviously have

>no clue how Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology works

And you could find a clue in a hatbox? LOL ...
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Cliff

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:55:19 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 18, 9:44 pm, BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> jon_banquer wrote:
>> >> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> >> types of geometric files?
>>
>> > Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>> > geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>> > fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>> > Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>> > "smart" as you want.
>>

>> Jon:
>>
>> *IF* it could IMPORT Pro-E, Catia, Inventor, Rhino, and virtually
>> every other CAD format and then OUTPUT in say Parasolid, then one seat
>> of Solid Edge might be a bargain for that reason alone. It would save
>> on having to pay maintenance on multiple seats of CAM software just to
>> get the latest translation updates.
>> What format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?
>>
>> --
>> BottleBobhttp://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>
>Pro/e can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.

Loss of data.

>
>CATIA can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.

Loss of data.

>Inventor can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.

Loss of data.

>Rhino can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.

Loss of data.

>Solid Edge with S/T can import Parasolid.

Loss of data.

>Solid Edge with S/T can import ACIS.

Loss of data.

>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

<pictures of dancing morons>
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Cliff

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:14:01 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> How much is the projected price of Solid Edge ST?

>
>I don't sell software. Contact a Solid Edge VAR.

Price is no object as he's never going to buy it anyway.
What else did anybody sane expect?
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Cliff

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:14:01 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> I was hoping it could import more native formats then just IGES,

>Parasolid, and ACIS.
>
>It can.
>
>> My interest is still piqued a little. Will it import flat geometry
>> (such as DXF's)?
>
>Yes and it's very good at converting wireframe (what you call flat
>geometry) to a 3D solid.

<Snicker>
Because, in the general case, this is not possible to do
automatically.
Any idea why designers often use notes, aux views, fonting, etc?
Nope, I thought not.
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Cliff

[Cliff]

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:55:19 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jul 18, 9:44 pm, BottleBob <bottl...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> jon_banquer wrote:
>> >> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> >> types of geometric files?
>>
>> > Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>> > geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>> > fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>> > Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>> > "smart" as you want.
>>
>> Jon:
>>
>> *IF* it could IMPORT Pro-E, Catia, Inventor, Rhino, and virtually
>> every other CAD format and then OUTPUT in say Parasolid, then one seat
>> of Solid Edge might be a bargain for that reason alone. It would save
>> on having to pay maintenance on multiple seats of CAM software just to
>> get the latest translation updates.
>> What format(s) DOES Solid Edge ST output in?
>>
>> --
>> BottleBobhttp://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
>
>Pro/e can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>

>CATIA can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>

>Inventor can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>

>Rhino can output IGES. Solid Edge with S/T can import IGES.
>

>Solid Edge with S/T can import Parasolid.
>

>Solid Edge with S/T can import ACIS.

Anybody else recall his many years of amusing comments about IGES?

>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

<A brief tour thru Moron City>
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Cliff

[jon_banquer]

> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
> types of geometric files?

Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
"smart" as you want.

Jon Banquer

[castleb...@att.net]

"jon_banquer" <jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3fd96506-bd64-4167...@i36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

Do you actually speak or do you just spam?

Bob

[jon_banquer]

> Do you actually speak or do you just spam?

I don't waste my time with worthless idiots who make this type of
remark instead of asking intelligent questions.

[castleb...@att.net]

"jon_banquer" <jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:acd29800-b98b-4756...@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...

You have responded to me with an intelligent answer, once. The most common
answer you give to people is your sales pitch.

Bob

[jon_banquer]

>You have responded to me with an intelligent answer, once.

Most likely because you only asked one intelligent question.

>The most common answer you give to people is your sales pitch.

What would I be selling for a profit? Be specific.

[jon_banquer]

> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
> types of geometric files?

Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
"smart" as you want.

Jon Banquer

[brew...@aol.com]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 09:28:00 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
>> types of geometric files?
>
>Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
>geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
>fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
>Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
>"smart" as you want.

Are you making this stuff up as you go along?

I would like to check your source material, where did you plagiarize
this from?

How does this imported "dumb solid" you changed into a "Smart" part
with your imaginary Solid Edge w/ST and you then export this "Smart"
part for your customer who can import into their non-ST program and it
stays a "Smart" part?

>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/

Jihad-de-Jour Spam blob,

Tom

[jon_banquer]

> Are you claiming that Solid Edge ST is a universal translator for ALL
> types of geometric files?

Solid Edge with Synchronous Technology doesn't care about anything but
geometry so a "dumb solid" of any kind from any CAD system is just
fine. Once a "dumb solid" is imported into Solid Edge with Synchronous
Technology you can add any design intent you wish and make the part as
"smart" as you want.

Jon Banquer