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Joe788

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Nov 9, 2009, 11:16:33 PM11/9/09
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Delcam now has a product that they can use to gain serious market
share. They are combining PowerMill and FeatureCAM into a new product
called Delcam For SolidWorks and it looks like it's going to be a
killer application.

The Jon Banquer blog has been updated to cover the new details that
were released today.

Right out of the gate Delcam For SolidWorks is going to have serious
functionality for 2 1/2 axis through 5 axis mill.

Support for lathe, mill-turn and wire edm in Delcam For SolidWorks is
coming.


http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/new-delcam-for-solidworks-video/

Joe788

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Nov 10, 2009, 6:54:09 AM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 5:02 am, BillT <kin...@mail.com> wrote:

> So now you will be able to buy a Ferrari engine housed in a Corolla.
>
> --
> Bill

Now that you have been laid off perhaps this is a good time for you to
think about market realities and come to grips with some of the things
that you have struggled so hard with in the past. You may not like
where the market is headed of what manufacturing has become but it is
what it is and one either makes the best of what's coming or they get
out of the business... which from what you stated in another post is
where you appear to be headed. You can take comfort in the FACT that
when you got out it wasn't at a lousy $23.50 an hour and that you know
the difference between quality CADCAM and Gibbscam.

1. Despite the FACT that SolidWorks is a Corolla it's far better than
the CAD and graphics you get in stand-alone Mastercam, Surfcam or
bottom of the barrel Gibbscam so moving a CAM application into very
popular CAD program like SolidWorks is a huge step up from a stand-
alone solution like Mastercam, Gibbscam, Surfcam,etc.

2. You can use a program like Solid Edge with ST2 or SpaceClaim to get
around the problems with modifying "dumb solids" in SolidWorks.

3. Siemens can't market to the kinds of shops that most people who
post here work in and they have shown they aren't very good at setting
up a VAR network either. The sad fact is that NX's market will
continue to shrink.

4. As more and more stand-alone CAM systems move to run inside of
SolidWorks, because they have reached the limitations of what they can
do because their CAD is so far behind, it will be to most machinists
advantage to know SolidWorks because there will be more job
opportunities if you know SolidWorks than if you know NX. The proof
is:

Mastercam For SolidWorks, Delcam For SolidWorks, Hypermill For
SolidWorks, SolidCAM, CAMWorks, etc. This is where the manufacturing
CADCAM market is headed. Stand-alone CADCAM from Gibbscam, Surfcam,
Featurecam, Mastercam is already dying and it's going to start dying
much, much faster very shortly.

The Jon Banquer blog is the best place to stay current on where the
CADCAM market is headed. The Jon Banquer blog is the leading CAM-
centric blog in the Internet with hundreds of hits per day. If you
don't read the Jon Banquer blog you can be sure of one thing... your
competition is! ;>)


www.jonbanquer.wordpress.com


Cliff

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Nov 10, 2009, 7:25:10 AM11/10/09
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:16:33 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The Jon Banquer blog has been updated to cover the new details that
>were released today.

<Snicker>
You again copied from an ad.
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 10, 2009, 7:30:21 AM11/10/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:54:09 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>1. Despite the FACT that SolidWorks is a Corolla it's far better than
>the CAD and graphics you get in stand-alone Mastercam, Surfcam or
>bottom of the barrel Gibbscam so moving a CAM application into very
>popular CAD program like SolidWorks is a huge step up from a stand-
>alone solution like Mastercam, Gibbscam, Surfcam,etc.
>
>2. You can use a program like Solid Edge with ST2 or SpaceClaim to get
>around the problems with modifying "dumb solids" in SolidWorks.

Gee .... "stand alone" programs ....
LOL ....

If you don't want dumb solids then don't make them.
If you got the data from someplace else just import it into your
CAM program directly.
You are not & never will be a designer, much less an engineer.

How dumb can a banquer get? IS there any limit?
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 10, 2009, 7:31:24 AM11/10/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:54:09 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>4. As more and more stand-alone CAM systems move to run inside of
>SolidWorks, because they have reached the limitations of what they can
>do because their CAD is so far behind,

CLUE: CAM programs are not CAD programs.
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Cliff

Joe788

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Nov 10, 2009, 9:54:24 AM11/10/09
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Sick of Jon Banquer

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Nov 10, 2009, 11:20:41 AM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 7:25 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:

> On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:16:33 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >The Jon Banquer blog has been updated to cover the new details that
> >were released today.
>
>   <Snicker>
>   You again copied from an ad.
> --
> Cliff

Did you know that Jon Banquer uses a stolen laptop and a stolen money
to fund his ideas. He stole my Dell laptop to create his blog and my
insurance money to pay for his move to California. How did he cash it?
He used a bogus Power of Attorney. He has charges of defrauding the
state of Connecticut. Forged documents in order to get MASTERCAM
software. Trust in him and you will find your self robbed or in
prison.

Don't be stupid.

Sick of Jon Banquer

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Nov 10, 2009, 11:21:35 AM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 7:30 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:

Did you know that Jon Banquer uses a stolen laptop and a stolen money


to fund his ideas. He stole my Dell laptop to create his blog and my
insurance money to pay for his move to California. How did he cash it

he used a bogus Power of Attorney. He has charges of defrauding the

Joe788

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Nov 10, 2009, 12:35:23 PM11/10/09
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Hmmmm.....this Jihad sounds vaguely familiar.....oh, now I remember!
You said the exact same thing back when you were "working with"
HSMWorks.

How'd that turn out by the way? How much of that "serious market
share" have they gained.

Should we place wagers on how much market share Delcam will gain in
the next two years?

You have no idea what you're talking about. You're simply rehashing
sales hype as some earth shattering revolution.

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Nov 10, 2009, 1:02:33 PM11/10/09
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Joe788

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Nov 10, 2009, 7:12:46 PM11/10/09
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Pricing for Delcam For SolidWorks will most likely be very aggressive.
Featurecam's pricing has always been significantly below Mastercam.
Further, I think you will see a very focused effort by Delcam to go
after Mastercam seats because they have a significantly better product
than Mastercam For SolidWorks.

One Thing Is For Sure:

The Jon Banquer blog will keep its readers up to date with the latest
FACTS on Delcam For SolidWorks which is going to be a blockbuster
release that will significantly impact the market.

Why, one might ask?

The answer is simple:

Delcam has the VAR's and the company reps to backup this new product
and market it properly.

Joe788

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Nov 10, 2009, 8:44:56 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 10, 4:12 pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Pricing for Delcam For SolidWorks will most likely be very aggressive.
> Featurecam's pricing has always been significantly below Mastercam.
> Further, I think you will see a very focused effort by Delcam to go
> after Mastercam seats because they have a significantly better product
> than Mastercam For SolidWorks.
>
> One Thing Is For Sure:
>
> The Jon Banquer blog will keep its readers up to date with the latest
> FACTS on Delcam For SolidWorks which is going to be a blockbuster
> release that will significantly impact the market.
>

What "facts", Jon? You don't even know how much the software costs,
yet here you are blabbering on about how it will be priced very
aggressively. What is your definition of a "fact"? Are they like all
of the "facts" you brought us about HSMWorks? Like claiming you were
"working with" HSMWorks?


> Why, one might ask?
>
> The answer is simple:
>
> Delcam has the VAR's and the company reps to backup this new product
> and market it properly.

I saw the same Delcam ad dozens of times in magazines for years. I
laughed every time I saw it. They were showing some sort of multi axis
verification or backplot, and they actually had the tool assembly
modeled backwards. It was a CAT50 holder with the endmill mounted
where the pullstud threads in. This advertisement ran for years.
That's some outstanding marketing and representation! Then again, in
Banquerville, I suppose that's doing it "properly".

Joe788

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Nov 10, 2009, 8:45:06 PM11/10/09
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On Nov 11, 1:03 am, BillT <kin...@mail.com> wrote:

> I suggest you get some quotes for the various flavors.

What makes you think I don't have them? I've already posted what the
NX quote was and I've already said that I've known Christian Briscoe
of Delcam (previously EGS) for many, many years now... maybe 12? In
any case Christian has always quoted my clients well below what Gibbs
and Mastercam VAR's have quoted.

> 2.5 axis? No one cares.

No... you don't care. All of my clients as well as the company I now
work for care. Consider that you're laid off again because you have
priced yourself out of the market. I'm not there yet. About the only
thing I've said I won't use any longer is BobCRAP and I reserve the
right to change my mind if the company offers something I want in the
form of training that I can't find elsewhere.

>NX, Mastercam, Smartcam, et all... they're all
> fairly "cheap" and simple to use.

NX drilling interface isn't as good as SolidCAM's and I'd bet good
money that Cimatron's drilling maybe even better based on what I know
about using SolidCAM's drilling and how SolidCAM came to have the
drilling interface it now has.

>3D contour? A chunk more.

For the last several years FeatureCAM has used the exact same toolpath
surfacing engine as PowerMill and FeatureCAM 3 axis toolpath surfacing
is very reasonable compared to the Mastercam and Gibbscam quotes I
received.

> We had a demo for the new Delcam impeller machining module: $45,000. Now
> compared to NREC's at $100k, yes better priced.

That's your area of expertise... not mine... not yet anyway.

Perhaps you should lower yourself and try a CAM system running inside
of SolidWorks like SolidCAM or the coming Delcam for SolidWorks or the
new Hypermill For SolidWorks. I wouldn't bother with Mastercam For
SolidWorks as it might bring back some bad old memories. ;>)

Zymrgy

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Nov 10, 2009, 10:06:40 PM11/10/09
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So how come you are not bitching and moaning like a little girl about
how Delcam should choose Spaceclaim? You sure the fuck did at e-
Mastercam bout Mastercam not choosing Spaceclaim. Yet, when one of
their competitors chooses Solidworks, you are calling it a "killer
application". If your blog was printed on toilet paper, it would not
be worthy of wiping the ass of a cow.

Joe788

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Nov 10, 2009, 10:31:25 PM11/10/09
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Over a hundred hits on the Delcam For SolidWorks page since it was
posted.

Thank you!

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/new-delcam-for-solidworks-video/

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:14:59 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:21:35 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 10, 7:30�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:54:09 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >1. Despite the FACT that SolidWorks is a Corolla it's far better than
>> >the CAD and graphics you get in stand-alone Mastercam, Surfcam or
>> >bottom of the barrel Gibbscam so moving a CAM application into very
>> >popular CAD program like SolidWorks is a huge step up from a stand-
>> >alone solution like Mastercam, Gibbscam, Surfcam,etc.
>>
>> >2. You can use a program like Solid Edge with ST2 or SpaceClaim to get
>> >around the problems with modifying "dumb solids" in SolidWorks.
>>
>> � Gee .... "stand alone" programs ....
>> � LOL ....
>>
>> � If you don't want dumb solids then don't make them.
>> � If you got the data from someplace else just import it into your
>> CAM program directly.
>> � You are not & never will be a designer, much less an engineer.
>>
>> � How dumb can a banquer get? IS there any limit?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Did you know that Jon Banquer uses a stolen laptop and a stolen money
>to fund his ideas.

He has no "ideas", just stuff stolen from the posts of others & ads.
He's utterly clueless on the subjects he poses about & cannot
even grasp how to drill simple holes with MasterCAM.

>He stole my Dell laptop to create his blog and my
>insurance money to pay for his move to California. How did he cash it
>he used a bogus Power of Attorney. He has charges of defrauding the
>state of Connecticut. Forged documents in order to get MASTERCAM
>software. Trust in him and you will find your self robbed or in
>prison.

I don't doubt a word of it.

>Don't be stupid.

How is he on stolen cars?
We know about stolen/cracked software I think.
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:20:15 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:21:35 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 10, 7:30�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>


>wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:54:09 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >1. Despite the FACT that SolidWorks is a Corolla it's far better than
>> >the CAD and graphics you get in stand-alone Mastercam, Surfcam or
>> >bottom of the barrel Gibbscam so moving a CAM application into very
>> >popular CAD program like SolidWorks is a huge step up from a stand-
>> >alone solution like Mastercam, Gibbscam, Surfcam,etc.
>>
>> >2. You can use a program like Solid Edge with ST2 or SpaceClaim to get
>> >around the problems with modifying "dumb solids" in SolidWorks.
>>
>> � Gee .... "stand alone" programs ....
>> � LOL ....
>>
>> � If you don't want dumb solids then don't make them.
>> � If you got the data from someplace else just import it into your
>> CAM program directly.
>> � You are not & never will be a designer, much less an engineer.
>>
>> � How dumb can a banquer get? IS there any limit?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>Did you know that Jon Banquer uses a stolen laptop and a stolen money
>to fund his ideas. He stole my Dell laptop to create his blog and my
>insurance money to pay for his move to California.

The move to CA or the prior one to AZ?

>How did he cash it
>he used a bogus Power of Attorney. He has charges of defrauding the
>state of Connecticut. Forged documents in order to get MASTERCAM
>software. Trust in him and you will find your self robbed or in
>prison.
>
>Don't be stupid.

--
Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:24:50 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:06 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>my clients

<Snicker>

Can't get a cracked copy, eh?
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:26:21 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:06 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I've already posted what the
>NX quote was

Nope. You claimed it was a big secret.
Not that you'd have clue #1 even about the optons.
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:29:24 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:06 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>NX drilling interface isn't as good as SolidCAM's

<Snicker>

Drilling drilling drilling drilling drilling drilling drilling drilling =
yonnie bunko

You've never used it. EITHER of them.
And a simple program cannot do nearly as much ....
You don't, after all, want any control, do you?
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:30:10 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:06 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>NX, Mastercam, Smartcam, et all... they're all
>> fairly "cheap" and simple to use.
>
>NX drilling interface isn't as good as SolidCAM's and I'd bet good
>money that Cimatron's drilling maybe even better based on what I know
>about using SolidCAM's drilling and how SolidCAM came to have the
>drilling interface it now has.

All those yammering little voices ....
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:32:58 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:06 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>3D contour? A chunk more.
>
>For the last several years FeatureCAM has used the exact same toolpath
>surfacing engine as PowerMill and FeatureCAM 3 axis toolpath surfacing
>is very reasonable compared to the Mastercam and Gibbscam quotes I
>received.

Are the holes ROUND?

As you NOW need MasterCAM quotes you don't actually
have that either (legally).

<Snicker>
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:33:20 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:06 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>>NX, Mastercam, Smartcam, et all... they're all
>> fairly "cheap" and simple to use.
>
>NX drilling interface isn't as good as SolidCAM's and I'd bet good
>money that Cimatron's drilling maybe even better based on what I know
>about using SolidCAM's drilling and how SolidCAM came to have the
>drilling interface it now has.

All those yammering little voices ....
--
Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:33:31 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:06 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>NX drilling interface isn't as good as SolidCAM's

<Snicker>

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:33:39 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:45:06 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I've already posted what the
>NX quote was

Nope. You claimed it was a big secret.

Cliff

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Cliff

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:41:26 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> 2.5 axis? No one cares.
>
>No... you don't care. All of my clients as well as the company I now
>work for care.

You could learn to "program" your vitally important 2.5 axis
holes with a free spreadsheet program.
Well, not you, exactly.
But any actual machine programmer.
Beg PV for help !!!
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Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 7:07:54 AM11/11/09
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:31:25 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Over a hundred hits on the Delcam For SolidWorks page since it was
>posted.

DelCAM probably making copies for the humor.
PLUS you looking every 2 minutes.
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Joe788

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"Joe788" <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Joe788

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Nov 11, 2009, 10:54:24 AM11/11/09
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That was LAST week's Jihad. Jon's contradicted himself so many times
over the years, he no longer has time to even make a modest attempt at
keeping his Jihads straight. It's all about the flavor of the week.

Hey, I'm just glad we god Idiotic Uninformed Statement Banquer back.
It's always fun to see him make ridiculous concrete statements that
are easily proved wrong.

Sick of Jon Banquer

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:29:17 PM11/11/09
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On Nov 11, 6:20 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>

He stole the check from me when I lived in Arizona. That's how he
funded his move to California.

Joe788

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:35:56 PM11/11/09
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Who are you?

Sick of Jon Banquer

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:39:36 PM11/11/09
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On Nov 11, 6:14 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>

Honestly, I don't think he knows enough about cars to steal one, but I
do know that he is a nasty troll of a man, a very selfish and self-
centered person. He doesn't know a rats ass about 3d, solids,
MasterCam, SolidWorks, Gibbs whatever. He thrives on attention. That's
why he has stuck around here for so long. He gets all the attention he
needs. His entire life has been about him. He disowned his own Mother
because she wanted him to be something more than what he is today.
Threw her right out the door because she wanted him to go to college
and be a doctor or lawyer. lol You guys don't even know the half of
it, he was a slum lord in the 80s ripping off section 8 in New Haven,
Connecticut. I think the name was the Jonathon Banquer Group or
something egotistically similar. Then there was Chemical One. That was
his chemical company, he was selling soap for industrial
dishwashers... apparently he sucked at both because he went bankrupt
and then lied about what he had. A lady he lived with, I think her
name was Cathy, got pissed off and called the bankruptcy court and
ratted him out because he screwed her over too. They came and tool
everything including his underwear. He still didn't learn his lesson
about how to treat people. He is the biggest POS I have ever had the
misfortune of meeting.

Sick of Jon Banquer

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Nov 11, 2009, 6:43:02 PM11/11/09
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Ask him. He knows who I am.

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 7:06:34 PM11/11/09
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 06:31:40 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Right out of the gate Delcam For SolidWorks is going to have serious
>functionality for 2 1/2 axis through 5 axis mill.

Did you not claim it would not have 2 1/2 axes?
--
Cliff

Cliff

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Nov 11, 2009, 7:16:31 PM11/11/09
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:39:36 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

What if the keys were in it?

What if there were Yankee pedestrians to run over?

>but I
>do know that he is a nasty troll of a man, a very selfish and self-
>centered person. He doesn't know a rats ass about 3d, solids,
>MasterCam, SolidWorks, Gibbs whatever.

We all (almost) know that.
Pretty funny about him claiming to try to drill
holes though. Major concern (& as far as he can grasp what the
softwares are for).

> He thrives on attention. That's
>why he has stuck around here for so long. He gets all the attention he
>needs. His entire life has been about him. He disowned his own Mother
>because she wanted him to be something more than what he is today.
>Threw her right out the door because she wanted him to go to college
>and be a doctor or lawyer. lol

First he'd have to graduate middle school though.
Without being tossed out of shop class (among
others no doubt).
Then high school.

>You guys don't even know the half of
>it, he was a slum lord in the 80s ripping off section 8 in New Haven,
>Connecticut. I think the name was the Jonathon Banquer Group or
>something egotistically similar. Then there was Chemical One. That was
>his chemical company, he was selling soap for industrial
>dishwashers... apparently he sucked at both because he went bankrupt
>and then lied about what he had.

Scams, scams, scams ...

>A lady he lived with, I think her
>name was Cathy, got pissed off and called the bankruptcy court and
>ratted him out because he screwed her over too.

One wonders how many times he's left others holding
the bag.

>They came and tool
>everything including his underwear. He still didn't learn his lesson
>about how to treat people. He is the biggest POS I have ever had the
>misfortune of meeting.

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Cliff

Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:17 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>He stole the check from me when I lived in Arizona. That's how he


>funded his move to California.

Why did he have to get out of Arizona?
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Cliff

Joe788

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Nov 12, 2009, 1:49:45 AM11/12/09
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On Nov 12, 6:00 am, BillT <kin...@mail.com> wrote:

> He has single handedly
> killed off any chance of discussing programming in a civilized fashion
> here.

Wrong, again. Your pal Cliffy Huprich is solely responsible for that.
Sorry to have to yet again bring you back to reality.


> I've questioned his negative life condition to him. He says he's good
> with it

As Tom Brewer's real dad use to say:

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

You wish to change my interests and outlook yet you're constantly
getting laid off / fired because you can't come to terms with what
manufacturing has become. Further, you actually think that NX is going
to grow without some major changes in marketing by Siemens. That would
be the same horrible marketing you won't ever acknowledge. It's so bad
and has been so bad for so long that Siemens VAR's make fun of those
that work for Siemens because they are so out of touch with reality
and the market. If you purchase NX you actually would get better
service from a Siemens VAR than Siemens themselves. That's a fact. I
know it and you know it. If you don't know it, you should now it.
Regardless, as per usual you won't admit it.

Further, you can't see that history based modeling is a dead end. The
best that's going to happen is lots of companies will try and mix the
two approaches (history and direct modeling) which is just a band-aid
till the next generation of direct modelers rolls out.

It's probably a good thing that you say you're getting out of the
business because you won't be able to handle what's coming down.

The Jon Banquer blog has started to lay it out and will continue to
lay it out. The next phase is the death of stand-alone CAM like
Gibbscam, Surfcam, Featurecam, Mastercam, etc as more shops realize
that their old stand-alone CAM systems just can't keep up. Any idea
how buggy Mastercam X4 is? Think things will get better with Mastercam
X5? This is like thinking that Gibbscam is going to gain or hold onto
market share. It's not going to happen because as per usual you're
wrong... companies are changing CADCAM systems and their doing it
right now. A major San Diego shop just dumped Mastercam for Open Mind
Hypermill and they had used Mastercam for many years.

The big changes have just started. Unfortunately it's going to be
SolidWorks that most shops go with but as fully integrated CADCAM
proves to be the market you will see the rise of direct modeling and
CAM running inside of direct modelers. There is a very good chance
that it could be CoCreate that jumps to the forefront because PTC is
the elephant in the room and they are making lots of the right moves
with CoCreate.

Keep reading the Jon Banquer blog. ;>) The Jon Banquer blog is your
best source to follow these major changes as they come down.

www.jonbanquer.wordpress.com


Sick of Jon Banquer

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On Nov 11, 7:29 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
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No one would hire him, they started to doing background checks.

Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:04:01 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 11, 7:29�pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:17 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >He stole the check from me when I lived in Arizona. That's how he
>> >funded his move to California.
>>
>> � Why did he have to get out of Arizona?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>No one would hire him, they started to doing background checks.

Too late in a few cases I gather.
--
Cliff

Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:49:45 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Further, you can't see that history based modeling is a dead end.

It's always nice to hear from a real Unigraphics expert !

You've had it for about 10 months now, right?
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Cliff

Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:49:45 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The Jon Banquer blog has started to lay it out and will continue to
>lay it out. The next phase is the death of stand-alone CAM like
>Gibbscam, Surfcam, Featurecam, Mastercam, etc as more shops realize
>that their old stand-alone CAM systems just can't keep up.

Found out how to drill a few holes yet?

We could easily do that back in the days of CADDS III or AD-2000, about
30 - 40 years ago ....
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Cliff

Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:49:45 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Any idea
>how buggy Mastercam X4 is?

I know of one *claimed* user of MasterCAM
that has claimed bugs drilling holes .....
And clearly has never had any training or
comprehension.
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Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:49:45 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The big changes have just started. Unfortunately it's going to be
>SolidWorks that most shops go with

Pretty good CAM program is it?
Have any videos or ads?
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Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:49:45 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The big changes have just started. Unfortunately it's going to be
>SolidWorks that most shops go with but as fully integrated CADCAM
>proves to be the market you will see the rise of direct modeling and
>CAM running inside of direct modelers.

What a drooling idiot.
One change to the early design stage can result in
hundreds or thousands of later *dependant* changes.

You would have to make these all by hand one by one
with your beloved "direct modeling".
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Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:17 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>


>He stole the check from me when I lived in Arizona. That's how he
>funded his move to California.

How much does he owe you & the girls?
I hope they are well.
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Cliff

Joe788

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Back On Topic:

Delcam now has a product that they can use to gain serious market
share. They are combining PowerMill and FeatureCAM into a new product
called Delcam For SolidWorks and it looks like it's going to be a
killer application.

The Jon Banquer blog has been updated to cover the new details that
were released today.

Right out of the gate Delcam For SolidWorks is going to have serious


functionality for 2 1/2 axis through 5 axis mill.

Support for lathe, mill-turn and wire edm in Delcam For SolidWorks is
coming.

http://jonbanquer.wordpress.com/new-delcam-for-solidworks-video/

Sick of Jon Banquer

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On Nov 12, 4:48 am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:

You are thinking of his ex wife, Jon and I never married nor was I
stupid enough to have his children... nor was his ex, those were
stepdaughters. God saw fit to make sure Jon never had children of his
on.

Sick of Jon Banquer

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I would like to thank Jon Banquer for accepting my challenge of being
interviewed for this blog. If you have any questions for Jon or for
Novedge, please leave a comment below and we will be glad to answer.

Franco Folini

UPDATE -- July 8, 2007 -- I had to close this blog post to further
comments and to remove the personal attacks between Jon and some other
newsgroups readers. Before the interview, I made an agreement with Jon
about the style of the interview and the way to handle it. Jon didn’t
respect our agreement, posting comments under fake names. Jon’s
authentic and fake comments are all posted from the same IP address,
72.199.251.224. I can now see that my trust in Jon was misplaced.

http://blog.novedge.com/2007/07/an-interview-wi.html

Figures!

Cliff

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:58:18 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 12, 4:48�am, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:17 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >He stole the check from me when I lived in Arizona. That's how he
>> >funded his move to California.
>>
>> � How much does he owe you & the girls?
>> � I hope they are well.
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>You are thinking of his ex wife,

IIRC He was still claiming to be "married" .... last I saw.

>Jon and I never married nor was I
>stupid enough to have his children... nor was his ex, those were
>stepdaughters. God saw fit to make sure Jon never had children of his
>on.

Lucky kids I expect.
--
Cliff

Cliff

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:20:41 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Forged documents in order to get MASTERCAM
>software.

How & when did he do that?
He never buys ....
--
Cliff

Cliff

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On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:04:01 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 11, 7:29�pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:29:17 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >He stole the check from me when I lived in Arizona. That's how he
>> >funded his move to California.
>>
>> � Why did he have to get out of Arizona?
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>No one would hire him, they started to doing background checks.

I gathered that broomboy was living in a welfare housing project &
had to steal internet from motel parking lots or use the
public library ....
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Cliff

Joe788

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On Nov 12, 2:46 pm, Garlicdude <pul...@garlic.com> wrote:

>Maybe if we ALL adopted that attitude the newsgroup
> would return to where is was a few years ago.


Not with Cliffy Huprich here. In addition, you have an entire class of
slimeballs who post here that are all about destruction rather than
creation with non being worse than Cliffy Huprich. That Bill Triffet
can't figure out what Cliffy Huprich is really all about and what a
destructive force Cliffy Huprich is comes as no surprise to me.

While you're hoping for this group to return and perhaps have given up
on forums run by slimeballs like Practically Worthless Machinist is, I
hope you don't mind if I continue to build my machining and CADCAM
skills, the Jon Banquer blog as well as the new independent Mastercam
forum which continues to gather momentum and new posters looking for
ways to survive the Mastercam "experience". Unfortunately a former
Mastercam user like Bill Triffet refused to document the specifics of
what's really so badly broken in Mastercam. I have. This way others
can benefit. I'm sure the improvements to Mastercam page easily has
the most hits on the Jon Banquer blog for damn good reason.

Many years ago I came to the conclusion that what was needed were
properly moderated forums. So far the independent Mastercam forum that
I'm so active in shows the promise that I always knew a properly
moderated web forum could have. Hopefully, as time goes on, more of
these independent web forums that are properly moderated with spring
up along with well put together machining and CADCAM blogs like mine.
I see very little hope in Usenet providing what's really needed to
move past the crap we have here now as well as next to worthless web
forums like Practically Worthless Machinist, CNC Advertising Forum,
Out House Solutions e-Mastercam forum, The Gibbscam message board,
etc.

Cliff

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:46:40 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I
>hope you don't mind if I continue to build my machining and CADCAM
>skills

What will be next after you learn how to drill a hole or two?
Three holes? Larger holes? Blind holes? Tapped holes?
--
Cliff

Cliff

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:46:40 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Unfortunately a former
>Mastercam user like Bill Triffet refused to document the specifics of
>what's really so badly broken in Mastercam. I have.

I heard a rumor that someone had noticed that 3 > 2.
Is this true?
Do you know?
--
Cliff

Joe788

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On Nov 12, 4:46 pm, Joe788 <larryro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 12, 2:46 pm, Garlicdude <pul...@garlic.com> wrote:
>
> >Maybe if we ALL adopted that attitude the newsgroup
> > would return to where is was a few years ago.
>
> Not with Cliffy Huprich here. In addition, you have an entire class of
> slimeballs who post here that are all about destruction rather than
> creation with non being worse than Cliffy Huprich. That Bill Triffet
> can't figure out what Cliffy Huprich is really all about and what a
> destructive force Cliffy Huprich is comes as no surprise to me.
>

How come you're the only one that's been banned from all of the
moderated message boards Jon? Maybe a good long look in the mirror
will help you answer who the destructive slimeball is.


>Unfortunately a former
> Mastercam user like Bill Triffet refused to document the specifics of
> what's really so badly broken in Mastercam. I have.

Maybe Bill got tired of a complete lunatic constantly using his name
as fodder for an endless number of uninformed CADCAM Jihads?

> Many years ago I came to the conclusion that what was needed were
> properly moderated forums. So far the independent Mastercam forum that
> I'm so active in shows the promise that I always knew a properly
> moderated web forum could have.

Yep, you and all two other members are really tackling those hard
hitting issues, like showing your incompetence by complaining about
mask on arc, then being told how to properly use it, and then making
up your own imaginary fix for your own imaginary problem.


> I see very little hope in Usenet providing what's really needed to
> move past the crap we have here now as well as next to worthless web
> forums like Practically Worthless Machinist, CNC Advertising Forum,
> Out House Solutions e-Mastercam forum, The Gibbscam message board,
> etc.

Because you've been banned at ALL of them, multiple times.

Sick of Jon Banquer

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On Nov 12, 6:20 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:

Don't know how he can still be married when she divorced him in 2007
and remarried in 2008. Delusional!

Sick of Jon Banquer

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On Nov 12, 6:21 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
wrote:

From what I understand he stole letterhead and a purchase order from
the school he was attending and forged an order for a students copy of
MasterCam, much like he did for Rhino 3d or was it Autocad, god there
were so many....

Cliff

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On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:10:04 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:

>> Many years ago I came to the conclusion that what was needed were
>> properly moderated forums. So far the independent Mastercam forum that
>> I'm so active in shows the promise that I always knew a properly
>> moderated web forum could have.
>
>Yep, you and all two other members are really tackling those hard
>hitting issues,

Such as trying to drill a few holes on a flat surface ...

>like showing your incompetence by complaining about
>mask on arc, then being told how to properly use it, and then making
>up your own imaginary fix for your own imaginary problem.

You have to admit, that was very amusing.
After all, it's not like he knows that 2 >1 or read
the instructions or got any help from any real user
(such as the ones where he claims to work) or
watched the videos & ads or called his
famed VARs or suppoort (for legal users) or ...
Much less thought for 5 seconds.
He went on about that for well over a year IIRC.
And it was so very trivial a blunder.
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Cliff

Cliff

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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:35:28 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
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He lies a lot so who knows?
--
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Cliff

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On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:37:56 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 12, 6:21�pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw...@aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
>wrote:
>> On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:20:41 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Forged documents in order to get MASTERCAM
>> >software.
>>
>> � How & when did he do that?
>> � He never buys ....
>> --
>> Cliff
>
>From what I understand he stole letterhead and a purchase order from
>the school he was attending

IIRC He only lasted about 2 days before getting kicked out.
Must have been a demo school.

>and forged an order for a students copy of
>MasterCam, much like he did for Rhino 3d or was it Autocad, god there
>were so many....

Too bad he can actually use none of it.
--
Cliff

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Garlicdude

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Joe788 wrote:
> Back On Topic:
>
> Delcam now has a product that they can use to gain serious market
> share. They are combining PowerMill and FeatureCAM into a new product
> called Delcam For SolidWorks and it looks like it's going to be a
> killer application.
>


A friend of mine, who is a current FeatureCam user, saw Delcam for Solidworks at
the recent Pacific Coast Tool show and was very impressed.

Best,
Steve
--


Regards,
Steve Saling
aka The Garlic Dude �
Gilroy, CA
The Garlic Capital of The World

http://tinyurl.com/2avg58

Joe788

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On Nov 14, 4:55 pm, Garlicdude <pul...@garlic.com> wrote:

> A friend of mine, who is a current FeatureCam user, saw Delcam for Solidworks at
> the recent Pacific Coast Tool show and was very impressed.
>
> Best,
> Steve
> --
>
> Regards,
> Steve Saling
> aka The Garlic Dude ©
> Gilroy, CA
> The Garlic Capital of The World
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2avg58


Steve,

I know of no other program that can take a native SolidWorks file and
produce a CAM program quicker than Delcam For SolidWorks. If you don't
like what you get with the automation you can very quickly edit any
machining parameter in Delcam For SolidWorks that you wish to change.

Delcam For SolidWorks blows stand-alone CAM packages like Mastercam,
Surfcam, Gibbscam out of the water. It's not even close.

I've always been a huge fan of Featurecam's interactive feature
recognition because you don't give up any control and you lose the
tediousness that stand-alone programs like Mastercam, Gibbscam,
Surfcam have. To this day Gibbscam still doesn't have a tool library!
Gibbscam is so dated it's quickly becoming a total joke.

Delcam For SolidWorks is going to do very, very well and one reason is
that Delcam has a company and VAR network to really move this product
that other companies don't.

Well written CADCAM programs have an elegance to them. Without a
doubt, Delcam For SolidWorks is the next generation Featurecam. What
was broken in Featurecam (the CAD end) is fixed in Delcam For
SolidWorks. What's broken in SolidWorks (works very poorly with non-
native solids or when you wish to modify someone else's design and not
have the history tree light up with errors like a Christmas tree ) can
easily be handled by an relatively inexpensive program like SpaceClaim
where there is no difference between a native solid and a "dumb"
solid. Same is true with Solid Edge with ST2 but it's more expensive.

Bottom line is your friend had / has every reason to be very impressed
with Delcam For SolidWorks. What's even more impressive is when you
compare the approach of Delcam For SolidWorks to Mastercam For
SolidWorks. Night and day difference between the two.


Cliff

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On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:38:24 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>I know of no other program that can take a native SolidWorks file and
>produce a CAM program quicker than Delcam For SolidWorks.

You've never used it so know nothing, as usual.
--
Cliff

Cliff

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On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:38:24 -0800 (PST), Joe788 <larry...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Well written CADCAM programs have an elegance to them. Without a
>doubt, Delcam For SolidWorks is the next generation Featurecam. What
>was broken in Featurecam (the CAD end) is fixed in Delcam For
>SolidWorks. What's broken in SolidWorks (works very poorly with non-
>native solids or when you wish to modify someone else's design and not
>have the history tree light up with errors like a Christmas tree ) can
>easily be handled by an relatively inexpensive program like SpaceClaim
>where there is no difference between a native solid and a "dumb"
>solid. Same is true with Solid Edge with ST2 but it's more expensive.

He hates associativity. If he knew the meaning of the term.
--
Cliff

Joe788

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Delcam now has a product that they can use to gain serious market
share. They are combining PowerMill and FeatureCAM into a new product
called Delcam For SolidWorks and it looks like it's going to be a
killer application.

The Jon Banquer blog has been updated to cover the new details that

Joe788

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Joe788

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Delcam now has another product that Jon Banquer has never used, will
never own, and knows nothing more about than advertisements and press
releases. This won't stop Jon Banquer from spamming the newsgroup
incessantly though.

See the Jon Banquer blog for more plagiarized advertisements.

http://joncluelessbanquer.blogspot.com/

Joe788

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Joe788

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Delcam now has another product that Jon Banquer has never used, will

Joe788

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Cliff

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:58:23 -0800 (PST), Sick of Jon Banquer <tar...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Nov 15, 12:46�pm, Joe788 <joemama...@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 14, 10:42�am, Black Dragon <b...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Sick of Jon Banquer wrote:
>>
>> > > On Nov 13, 9:21�pm, Black Dragon <b...@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>> > >> Garlicdude wrote:
>> > >>> Whatever on the gender thing. �Please take your personal stuff
>> > >>> somewhere else!!
>> > >> It isn't even close to being personal stuff. It's a member of Jon's rabid
>> > >> fan club posting mostly unadulterated nonsense.
>> > > I am hardly a fan of Jon Banquer. I lived with the man, did his
>> > > laundry and cooked his meals. I even took care of him when he was at
>> > > his worst physically and he shitted on me in the �worse possible way.
>> > > So keep praising his good for nothing POS. He is so messed up he has
>> > > to hide and read what you guys saw about him while he pretends he
>> > > doesn't care. JON IF YOU ARE READING THIS AND I KNOW YOU ARE, WHAT
>> > > WOULD SCOTT SAY ABOUT THE WAY YOU ARE TODAY? I THINK HE WOULD BE VERY
>> > > VERY DISAPPOINTED IN YOU FOR THE WAY YOU TREATED ME AND FOR WHAT YOU
>> > > DIDN'T DO WITH YOUR LIFE. SUCH A WASTE.
>>
>> > Those are the words of a vile cunt who has received what she deserved.
>>
>> > Written from the keyboard of one of Jon's numerous fans posting as a
>> > sock puppet of course.
>>
>> > You may be able to fool mental midgets like Cliff and a few others
>> > here, but the rest of us (tinu) aren't biting.
>>
>> > --
>> > Black Dragon
>>
>> > The curse of the Irish is not that they don't know the
>> > words to a song -- it's that they know them *all*.
>> > � � � � � � � � -- Susan Dooley
>>
>> So you think that somebody here is in contact with one of Jon's ex
>> wife/girlfriends, and is reposting dirty old laundry pretending to be
>> her?
>>
>> And you claim she's a "vile cunt" presumably because of what a
>> completely insane sociopath told you while defending himself?
>>
>> *(Edit, I suppose one could deduct that any woman who would associate
>> herself with Jonny Jihad in any way is a "vile cunt" to begin with, so
>> nevermind.)
>
>Vile or not, the truth is the truth and that is one thing Jon Banquer
>knows nothing, oh wait he nothing about anything that spews from his
>mouth.

What sort of "work" was he actually doing in Phoenix & AZ?
--
Cliff

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