Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
Andy "Krazy" Glew
I am obviously going to be there on Sunday, the workshop day - assuming that my wife agrees.
I am currently wondering about spending any other days there.
davewang202
wrote:
> Are any comp.arch folk going to SC09 in Portland?
>
> I am obviously going to be there on Sunday, the workshop day - assuming that my wife agrees.
>
> I am currently wondering about spending any other days there.
Hi Andy,
I'll be at SC09 on Wed and Thur. Not sure what sessions I'll
attend, but perhaps just hang out in Inphi's booth. I just joined
Inphi, and I don't have much to do with the product that Inphi is
announcing at SC09, but I've been asked to join the festivities.
David
Larry
> On Nov 8, 12:20 pm, "Andy \"Krazy\" Glew" <ag-n...@patten-glew.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Are any comp.arch folk going to SC09 in Portland?
>
> > I am obviously going to be there on Sunday, the workshop day - assuming that my wife agrees.
>
> > I am currently wondering about spending any other days there.
>
I'll be there Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, helping Matt Reilly
and John
Mucci try to bootstrap Magnus Parallel Computing and looking for HPC
projects for
Sector 9 Software or Serissa Research. In other words, looking for a
job.
I went to the last 5 SC's on behalf of SiCortex, and I've gotten used
to the
pagentry.
-Larry
Brett Davis
How does SC09 compare against WORLDCOMP? And/or to ICPP 2009? And/or
anyone else?
At Worldcomp I played "spot the obvious fatal flaw", 80% of papers
failed, half the rest would have failed after a googling. Did not leave
much worthwhile, nothing but grad students and profs, with a few flakes
like me thrown in. ;)
Brett
Andy "Krazy" Glew
> How does SC09 compare against WORLDCOMP? And/or to ICPP 2009? And/or
> anyone else?
I've never been to SuperComputing. Nor WORLDCOMP. In fact, I had never
heard of this conference until your post. Ah, it's the big federated
conference - perhaps I have attended, in one of the few years that ISCA
was prt of it. I know ICPP, but have never attended.
My "usual" conference circuit is ISCA, HPCA, MICRO, ASPLOS. If I'm
lucky, Hot Chips or Microprocessor Forum. "Usual" is not, really. Intel
used to only approve two events a year, and often not even that if you
were not part of the in crowd.
I'm only signed up for SC'09 because it's in Portland. I was in the
habit, when I was at Intel, of paying my way to nearby conferences, in
Portland or Seattle, in the hopes that Intel would pay for a conference
far away. Didn't always work.
I'm so glad that I'm out of Intel. I was starving, intellectually,
technically. Even just being able to post to comp.arch is liberating.
Noob
> I'm so glad that I'm out of Intel. I was starving, intellectually,
> technically. Even just being able to post to comp.arch is liberating.
Are Intel employees forbidden to post to Usenet?
Even when they speak for themselves?
Is Intel afraid they might leak trade secrets?
Or, worse, clarify a patent claim? ;-)
Regards.
Andy "Krazy" Glew
Perhaps not forbidden. Very strongly discouraged. VERY strongly
discouraged.
Mayan Moudgill
Also, Andy was not in Intel R&D; it might be different there. At IBM,
T.J. Watson was quite different from the product organizations; there
used to be a lot more people on Usenet from there.
Eugene Miya
I am starting up shortly. Sorry for the delay in getting this out. I
had a jury, a Conference, a paper, etc. I am helping on.
OK here is the open call:
Most of you have heard that we are going to try this. For those just
learning, I hope you can attend Monday. Dave is the POC.
Date: Monday, Nov 16th
Time: 6:30PM
Place: Mandarin Cove Restaurant
111 SW Columbia, Portland, OR
(i.e. downtown at 1st and Columbia, next to Marriott)
(503)222-0006
Free parking garage on Jefferson (between 1st and 2nd)?
If you catch light rail from convention center toward Portland, it's
a free ride to stop on SW 3rd and Morrison. Then walk 7 blocks south
to Columbia, and 2 over to 1st (total less than 1/2 mile).
Please let me (Dave DiNucci) know (dave_d...@yahoo.com, 503-839-3893)
if you can't make it or there will be guests or extras.
>I am obviously going to be there on Sunday, the workshop day - assuming that my wife agrees.
>
>I am currently wondering about spending any other days there.
Not bad swag.
Eugene Miya
>> How does SC09 compare against WORLDCOMP? And/or to ICPP 2009? And/or
>> anyone else?
>
>I've never been to SuperComputing. Nor WORLDCOMP. In fact, I had never
>heard of this conference until your post. Ah, it's the big federated
>conference - perhaps I have attended, in one of the few years that ISCA
> was prt of it. I know ICPP, but have never attended.
San Diego next year. I plan to try to get there.
>My "usual" conference circuit is ISCA, HPCA, MICRO, ASPLOS. If I'm
>lucky, Hot Chips or Microprocessor Forum. "Usual" is not, really. Intel
>used to only approve two events a year, and often not even that if you
>were not part of the in crowd.
>
>I'm only signed up for SC'09 because it's in Portland. I was in the
>habit, when I was at Intel, of paying my way to nearby conferences, in
>Portland or Seattle, in the hopes that Intel would pay for a conference
>far away. Didn't always work.
I sat on the 1st 2 SC's in 1988 and 1989 (Orlando and Reno), later I was
given a room, because I was the only person capable of driving the
founding Chair (George), and I suggested "Why not get him an electric
wheel chair?" which occurred to no one on the Committee. He got too
heavy to easily fly.
SC' has evolved into the ACM's and IEEE CS's National Conference and COMPCON.
I was on local arrangements for one of the last ACM Natl. conference in
San Francisco in 1984. It's now a multi ring circus with the experience
of various ACM SIGs, Usenix (where do you think the networking came
from?), and small invitation only conferences like the Natl Labs/DOE
Salishan, and others. There's a technical papers track, demos, panels,
an exhibit floor. It's got a number of standing committees and for the
ACM it has a "diversity" component (education and women and minorities).
There's a balance all this advanced stuff as well as history and the past.
It will by sheer size not have the intimacy of invitation only
conferences. The first you actually had the chance to talk with Cray (a
few people). He's gone, but others exist.
The size draws some flak, but the people do what they can. It's not
as big as am ACM/SIGGRAPH or a CES (really big). The people really in
the know tend to get drawn off to the side with private little talks.
These are not consumer items. Emphasis is tried for younger students:
grad, undergrad, and even as far down as HS. Specialized meetings like
say ISCA lack the breath and have stronger papers. Beside history,
sometimes they they to throw some art in. The idea is to mix developers
of systems and users together.
Proceedings now come on a USB key.
Eugene Miya
>> Andy "Krazy" Glew wrote:
>>> I'm so glad that I'm out of Intel. I was starving, intellectually,
>>> technically. Even just being able to post to comp.arch is liberating.
>>
>> Are Intel employees forbidden to post to Usenet?
>>
>> Even when they speak for themselves?
>>
>> Is Intel afraid they might leak trade secrets?
>> Or, worse, clarify a patent claim? ;-)
>
>discouraged.
You ain't seen nothing.
Pixar is quite tight lipped.
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wrote:
> Perhaps not forbidden. Very strongly discouraged. VERY strongly
> discouraged.
I remember a comment here by an Intel employee that just cut through
so much BS. It explained so many things in just a few words, but I
suppose it was also very revealing of what Intel was concerned about
at the time. I wonder how much he paid for that gem of a comment.
Or maybe it was ok. Who knows. All he did was to point out what
really mattered in all the smoke that was pouring out of the Intel
marketing machine. I wish there were more of that. Can't remember
hearing any more from that particular employee here.
Robert.
Del Cecchi
"Mayan Moudgill" <ma...@bestweb.net> wrote in message
news:4qednYDST8vPbGDX...@bestweb.net...
That is because watson research had the only news server in the
company for a long time and you had to jump through hoops to get
through the firewall as well if you weren't in research division. But
if you did you could post. And nobody ever said anything to me about
it.
Besides IBM had an internal system of forums that pretty much filled
the needs of the internal folks, "in the divisions" as the phrase
went. Dave Chess was the guy for those as I recall.
del
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
"Del Cecchi" <delcecchi...@gmail.com> writes:
> That is because watson research had the only news server in the
> company for a long time and you had to jump through hoops to get
> through the firewall as well if you weren't in research division. But
> if you did you could post. And nobody ever said anything to me about
> it.
> Besides IBM had an internal system of forums that pretty much filled
> the needs of the internal folks, "in the divisions" as the phrase
> went. Dave Chess was the guy for those as I recall.
> del
one of the virtual machine based commercial time-sharing service bureaus
(tymshare) had developed online computer conferencing ... and made a
"VMSHARE" service free to the SHARE (ibm user group) organization in
Aug76 (predating usenet). archives:
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/
I got to dialin/access directly ... some old photos of one of my
home offices (over the years), cdi minitterm, fiche viewer, corporate
phone (at home)
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#oldpict
a lot of this was easy in the bay area ... sjr, disk division, stl
(database and language development), pa science center, consolidate us
hone datacenter, lots of customers, tymshare, monthly user group
meetings at SLAC. I was allowed to visit and/or help at around the
area. Periodically there was joke about four shift workweek, 1st shift
in sjr, 2nd shift getting to play disk engineer in bldgs 14&15, 3rd
shift in stl, and 4th shift/weekends at hone.
I also made a deal with tymshare to get monthly tape dump of all files.
I put them up on sjr vm system and HONE system ... and also offered
other locations on the internal network the monthly updates. in the
process of deploying other places internally ... somebody asked me what
made me think that I could convince HONE to host a copy of the VMSHARE
files (HONE was world-wide sales & marketing support applications hosts
on virtual machine systems ... originally cp67 and then migrated to
vm370). I reminded them that one of my hobbies for nearly the whole
time HONE had been in existance was building and supporting highly
enhanced virtual machine systems for hone (in the early days of
propogating hone clones around the world ... i even did some of the
installas personally). misc. past posts mentioning hone
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
the bigger problem i had was dealing with lawyers who raised issues like
if allowing internal corporate employees to read what customers were
writting, might corrupt the employees.
i also got blamed for computer conferencing on the internal network
during this period. corporate hdqtrs eventually did investigation and
somewhat outcome of that was TOOLSRUN EXEC and officially sanctioned
computer conferencing (with moderators that would terminate unauthorized
discussions). site could set up toolsrun and host specific discussion
groups. ytk setup early IBMVM (& VMTOOLS) and then later IBMPC (&
pctools). it was possible for individuals to subscribe to toolsrun
... effectively mailing list (listserv-like) mode. it was also possible
for other sites to setup toolsrun and operate their own discussion
groups. it was also possible to configure toolsrun for distributed
operation (i.e. much more like usenet with local copies). (at least)
endicott set up VMPERF (for vm performance) and raleight setup IBMCOMM
(communication). The "high-speed" (56kbit) networking discussion
announcement mentioned in this recent post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#59 MasPar compiler and simulator
was IBMCOMM.
sjr did put in the original corporate gateway to csnet ... announcement
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm#email821022
in this post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/internet.htm#0
later awd (workstation divison) in austin had its own usenet feed.
after leaving in '92, i did a gig for a usenet satellite feed, writing
drivers for their modem ... for windows, dos, and a couple unixes
... and co-authored article that appeared in boardwatch (BBS) magazine
... so got a "free" (full) usenet satellite feed to my house (downlink
only ... when i posted, i had to do have telephone connection).
--
40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970
Del Cecchi
"Anne & Lynn Wheeler" <ly...@garlic.com> wrote in message
news:m34ooxm...@garlic.com...
Yes. Austin had a news server, which I thought was a satellite to
Hawnews but may have been independent. Rochester also had one,
starting somewhat later, until the guy that maintained it retired or
got RA'd. You had to have an austin or awd account to access the
austin server.
As I recall, most of the toolsrun thing was master slave, with a
master usually in YKT and the shadows (slaves) remote, along with
references to the scifi "7 princes in amber" or something like that.
Reading was done from the local shadow. posting went to the master
and was reflected back to the shadow.
del
Andy "Krazy" Glew
I was in Intel R&D 1995-2001. In 1995 I helped set up Intel's
Microprocessor Research Labs: I was the first manager of the Oregon
computer architecture research group, for a year before I went back to
school to try to get my Ph.D. (which I gave up when my daughter was born).
The rest of my career at Intel was spent in product groups, although
from 2005-2009 I was in Advanced Development.
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
> As I recall, most of the toolsrun thing was master slave, with a
> master usually in YKT and the shadows (slaves) remote, along with
> references to the scifi "7 princes in amber" or something like that.
> Reading was done from the local shadow. posting went to the master
> and was reflected back to the shadow.
fiber optic technology had been knocking around in POK since late
70s. one of the austin engineers took the technology, tweaked it, much
cheaper drivers ... and it was part of the RS6000 product as "SLA"
(serial link adaptor ... similar, faster, cheaper, but incompatible with
the POK mainframe ESCON).
chips were done by rochester. in an attempt to get SLA more acceptable,
we talked a router vendor into adding SLA support. Then we had to talk
Rochester into supplying the chips to the outside vendor. Rochester
would an inter-plant "transfer" the chips to Austin ... at 300% markup
... and then Austin would "transfer" the chips to the vendor at 300%
markup ... total 900% markup ... for a vendor that was doing us a favor.
I had been doing various stuff on & off over the yrs with LLNL ... which
were driving force behind FCS standard. When the SLA engineer wanted to
start work on an 800-mbit version ... spent something like six months
convincing him to participate in FCS instead. He eventually did and
became the "owner" (secretary) of the FCS standards document.
Rochester and POK also started to participate in FCS standards (POK
channel engineers working hard on layering a half-duplex protocol on top
of the basic full-duplex FCS operation ... current FICON). There was a
standards FCS discussion list (fiber-ch...@think.com) ... but
Rochester also hosted an internal toolsrun discussion list
(dfcforum@rfcvmv) .. which included forwarding the
fiber-ch...@think.com traffic (as well as some other items like
the hippi discussion, hipp...@think.com).
misc. other stuff found its way on to dfcforum ... from long ago and far
away
MARKETPLACE NEWS
1. HP signed a letter of intent to buy Texas Instrument's multiuser
computer business with the intent to gain commercial market share
for its HP 9000 Series 800 computers. HP will encourage users to
migrate from the 125,000 installed TI machines to the 800 Series
servers. HP also acquired a well-developed reseller and integration
channel with an intimate knowledge of the TI user base.
Source: Systems & Network Integration Date: June 29, 1992
2. Stratus also announced that they would use HP's PA-RISC architecture
in future systems to be developed. Their director of systems products
explained that this was done after careful consideration of several
vendors architectures that would be available in the 1994-1995
timeframe. This is something of a coup for HP considering that 18%
of the Stratus 1991 revenue of $448 million was sold by IBM's
reselling of Stratus fault tolerent systems. As part of this deal,
Sratus will also port Unix 5.4 to the HP-RISC architecture.
Source: Systems & Network Integration Date: June 29, 1992
3. IBM will enhance its RS/6000 clusters this year by providing optical
channels between systems. Ancor Communications will provide the
optical communications between machines that can be located up to
2 kilometers apart. Phil Hester, AWD Vice President, said that this
technology will be Beta tested by year's end. "Loosely-coupled
RS/6000s have the ability to scale well beyond the power of ES9000
mainframes" said Stu Skomra, vice president of marketing at ILAN
Inc., a network integrator that uses RS/6000s, "but the downside to
this is that there is no single system image for systems administration."
IBM has yet to detail a strategy that allows clusters to be managed
administratively by a single image.
Source: System & Network Integration Date: June 29, 1992 Page: 12
4. Solaris 2.0 is experiencing performance impacts of 10-12% below
that achieved by Version 1.0 because of all of the code put in
it to support things such as multiprocessing according to users
that have tested the new software. Although 2.0 will not officially
ship until December of this year, the performance problems are
a major issue with integrators that are trying to use the software.
"Performance has been Sun's Achilles' heel" said Ira Cohen, president
of Copley Systems Corp., a network integrator. Solaris 2.0 is
a 32-bit Unix Operating System designed to support multiprocessing
and have hooks for OSF's Distributed Computing Environment.
Source: System & Network Integration Date: June 29, 1992 Page: 1
... snip ...
unrelated topic drift ... recent mention of single-system-image
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#43 From The Annals of Release No Software Before Its Time
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#46 From The Annals of Release No Software Before Its Time
Del Cecchi
> "Del Cecchi" <delcecchi...@gmail.com> writes:
>> As I recall, most of the toolsrun thing was master slave, with a
>> master usually in YKT and the shadows (slaves) remote, along with
>> references to the scifi "7 princes in amber" or something like
>> that.
>> Reading was done from the local shadow. posting went to the master
>> and was reflected back to the shadow.
>
> fiber optic technology had been knocking around in POK since late
> 70s. one of the austin engineers took the technology, tweaked it,
> much
> cheaper drivers ... and it was part of the RS6000 product as "SLA"
> (serial link adaptor ... similar, faster, cheaper, but incompatible
> with
> the POK mainframe ESCON).
>
> chips were done by rochester. in an attempt to get SLA more
> acceptable,
> we talked a router vendor into adding SLA support. Then we had to
> talk
> Rochester into supplying the chips to the outside vendor. Rochester
> would an inter-plant "transfer" the chips to Austin ... at 300%
> markup
> ... and then Austin would "transfer" the chips to the vendor at 300%
> markup ... total 900% markup ... for a vendor that was doing us a
> favor.
That isn't how I remember it. I think the idea of using CD lasers
instead of the LEDs that POK used came from Rochester. The guys that
did it worked down the hall from me. I do remember the bizarre
contortions for Rochester to sell outside. I don't remember Austin
being involved unless it was Austin Research Lab. The group in
Rochester got moved to the Semiconductor Div for that very reason.
Then they got sold to JDS Uniphase which later shut them down so many
are back at IBM in Rochester.
I was told the FC-AL and phy came straight off the tundra. Rochester
was always doing own thing, with twinax links on 36/38 and FC-AL which
was like the twinax stuff only with optics instead of SSA and escon.
Fortunately Rochester was cold and remote so the corporate dweebs left
us alone.
>
> I had been doing various stuff on & off over the yrs with LLNL ...
> which
> were driving force behind FCS standard. When the SLA engineer wanted
> to
> start work on an 800-mbit version ... spent something like six
> months
> convincing him to participate in FCS instead. He eventually did and
> became the "owner" (secretary) of the FCS standards document.
>
> Rochester and POK also started to participate in FCS standards (POK
> channel engineers working hard on layering a half-duplex protocol on
> top
> of the basic full-duplex FCS operation ... current FICON). There was
> a
> standards FCS discussion list (fiber-ch...@think.com) ... but
> Rochester also hosted an internal toolsrun discussion list
> (dfcforum@rfcvmv) .. which included forwarding the
> fiber-ch...@think.com traffic (as well as some other items
> like
> the hippi discussion, hipp...@think.com).
>
snip
del
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
"Del Cecchi" <delcecchi...@gmail.com> writes:
> That isn't how I remember it. I think the idea of using CD lasers
> instead of the LEDs that POK used came from Rochester. The guys that
> did it worked down the hall from me. I do remember the bizarre
> contortions for Rochester to sell outside. I don't remember Austin
> being involved unless it was Austin Research Lab. The group in
> Rochester got moved to the Semiconductor Div for that very reason.
> Then they got sold to JDS Uniphase which later shut them down so many
> are back at IBM in Rochester.
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#85 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
my epiphony to use cdrom components came on trip (mentioned here) to
other side of the pacific ... which was also first time to see consumer
electronics manufacturing using surface mount technology ....
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#59 MasPar compiler and simulator
and came back pestering to use cdrom components (I don't know if that
predated rochester or not) .... i.e. $300 cdrom player was enormously
better technology than the 20times that I was paying for T1 modems
in HSDT project.
it predated meetings with LLNL and were pushing moving thier (ancor)
copper to fiber which evolved into FCS standards. this old post mentions
LLNL making claims about projected price/FCS-drop in '88 meetings.
Part of HSDT involved working with cyclotomics ... later bought by kodak
(in part because cyclotomics was responsible for lot of the FEC stuff
used in cdrom standard):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009e.html#66 Architectural Diversity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009n.html#46 Follow up
as per above reference ... some amount of it was reed-solomon ... and
HSDT project had fortune to have engineer that had been reed's graduate
student at caltech (and did some of the work on reed-solomon ... but
would claim that one of his favorite classes was undergraduate at MIT
from Anne's father).
In the early to mid-80s ... HSDT was involved in (telco) fiber links,
copper links, microwave links and satellite links. HSDT had dedicated
transponder in SBS4 and some of our own TDMA earth stations.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#hsdt
we had a TDMA earth stations built to our spec by a couple different
vendors. Somewhere along the way ... one of the vendors informed us that
a large national telco had approached them and asked if they (our
vendor) would build them (large national telco), a set of stations to
the same (HSDT) specs.
random drift from long ago and far away
Embassy of Japan
2520 Massachusetts Avenue
Washington, D.C.
10
To Whom It May Concern:
This letter is to advise you that the following individuals are
employees of the International Bussiness Machines Corporation,
and will be visiting Japan for one week starting Febuary 18, 1985.
Lynn H. Wheeler
xxxx
yyyy
zzzz
The purpose of this visit is to meet representatives of Matsushita
Electric corporation and to tour their facilities in Osaka, Gifu
Nagoya, and Tokyo.
International Business Machines will be responsible for the payment
of all expenses incurred by the aforementioned while on their visit.
... snip ...
... and then
From: wheeler
Date: 10/21/85 13:41:57
To: (ucb marketing rep)
is berkeley still interested in pitch/discussion on satellites? How
'bout late next week or preferably sometime the week following? There
are some SBS folks coming out the week after next ... and we have
tentative plans on going by Cyclotomics in berkeley ... a company that
has some forward error correcting hardware ... i believe there is a
berkeley professor invovled in the company, E. Berlekamp.
... snip ..
It wasn't my first trip to Japan ... including being there in the early
70s ... one of the places I got to go as part of my hobby supporting
HONE ... and HONE starting to spread HONE clones around the world.
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone
in the mid-70s, Endicott con'ed me in to doing 138/148 market planning
trips to various places in EMEA and AFE (including Tokyo).
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#84 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#0 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
random other fiber ramblings from long ago and far away; I had been doing
work with NSC & HYPERChannel off & on back to 1980.
Date: 09/21/84 16:59:19
From: wheeler
To: distribution
re: hsdt0918; fyi - we met with various gpd people, lsg, & nsc to
discuss the plans for expanding the use of hyperchannel. We discussed
the various alternatives to T1/A710s at the 4000'-8000' ... would
extended A220<->A220 coax be adviseable. Based on statements about
continuing to expand hyperchannel connectivity in the plant site area
... the NSC people finally said that a T4/backbone/fiber-optic system
is being beta-tested & is scheduled for next summer. The backbone
system will support a T4/fiber-optic cable to a distance of 50 miles,
off of which can be hung Hyperchannel & Hyperbus interfaces.
... snip ...
Date: 10/12/84 22:00:50
From: wheeler
To: distribution
re: channel attach interface;
talking to some people in c.s., there is apparently a channel attach
card that was developed in Tucson for testing control units. It is
capable of data streaming at 3 megabytes, fits on a PC card (in a PC),
will cost about $150, and sjr c.s. are suppose to have some by the end
of the month. Drawback is that it is limited to transfer operations of
no more than 8K-byte data blocks.
Now if we can get a 100-280 mbits fiber optic HSLAN on the back end,
we can have host attach packet network ... and also hang DNS off of.
... snip ...
little later I was also on XTP technical advisory board (although the
communication division non-concurred and claimed that I wasn't
allowed).
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1988 11:10:30 PST
From: wheeler
To: internal distribution
re: xtp;
What is XTP?
- reliable end-to-end messaging
* traditional stream, bulk data, reliable datagram
* internet routing
* rate-based flow control
* selective retransmission
* message check-sums in addition to physical
layer's crc
- context orientation
* packetization
* reassembly
* out-of-order reception
- datagram support
* arbitrary size
* reliable multicast
- xtp routing
* real-time frame relay
* uses external routing protocol (eg. dod/ip)
* internal xtp routing tables set by
external routing protocol
* xtp adapts to router technology
developments
- xtp reconfiguration occurs when
* gateway redirects
* gatew failure detected
- current applications
* mission-critical applications
* "just-in-time" manufactoring
* a navy survivable adaptable fiber optic
embedded network (safenet) standard
* USAF modular simulator architecture
(boeing aircraft)
* NSA "doo-dads"
- well suited for fiber-optic communication
* NSFnet
- coast-to-coast LAN bridging
* "blazing" SMDS transport
- Metropolitan networks (802.6)
- Establisment backbones
* heterogeneous co-residency
* existing protocols (XNS, TCP/IP, OSI, 802.2)
* Existing hosts/IWSs
... snip ...
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#84 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#85 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#0 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
from long ago and far away
Date: WED, 02/11/87 10:43:26 PST
From: wheeler
re: fiber driver; Somebody in Rochester took some compact disk laser
drivers and adopted them for fiber. Austin plans are to use them for
electrical isolation interface between backplane and external bus.
Claims are that the drivers will handle 300mbits ... and they will
essential be compact disk prices ... i.e. @$5-$8 ... instead of a
couple hundred that IBM east coast is talking about.
... snip ...
Del Cecchi
That was the guys down the hall, some of whom eventually got sold off
to JDSU.
Eugene Miya
A) Conference?
B) Geek dinner?
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Andy "Krazy" Glew
> So what did you think?
>
> A) Conference?
>
> B) Geek dinner?
The geek dinner was fun. Any time I get to see Jewri Ellsworth, Ward
Christenson, you (Eugene), and all the others is great. I hope that we
can do it again, although given my travel schedule that may be hard.
The Supercomputing Conference was also fun. Bigger than the computer
architecture conferences I usually go to. Odd in some ways - an exhibit
floor, where most of the exhibitors are schools or national labs? The
supercomputing guys certainly know how to throw a party. Our tax
dollars at work? I hope to make a few SC09 inspired comp.arch posts,
as time permits - probablt over Thanksgiving.
Eugene Miya
>>
>> B) Geek dinner?
In article <4B070A12...@patten-glew.net>,
Andy \"Krazy\" Glew <ag-...@patten-glew.net> wrote:
>The geek dinner was fun. Any time I get to see Jewri Ellsworth, Ward
>Christenson, you (Eugene), and all the others is great. I hope that we
>can do it again, although given my travel schedule that may be hard.
I note the amusing name typos. I need to forward a note of thanks to
the initial attendees and encourage other local friends.
I took 3 naps to drive home.
>The Supercomputing Conference was also fun. Bigger than the computer
>architecture conferences I usually go to. Odd in some ways - an exhibit
>floor, where most of the exhibitors are schools or national labs? The
>supercomputing guys certainly know how to throw a party. Our tax
>dollars at work? I hope to make a few SC09 inspired comp.arch posts,
>as time permits - probably over Thanksgiving.
The issue of tax dollars is a sensitive one. It is commonly dealt with
by indirection, contractors, and subcontractors, Beltway bandits, and
other third parties. The bomb designers pride their wine knowledge
(which goes back to the Europe immigrants less US prudism). As Bamford
notes, in contrast the code breakers drink Coke(tm). Originally, the
vendor exhibit were separated from the Labs and school client side
exhibits. Space became a premium. Again: long term thinking who gets
the best students and visible presence for some political points.
Everyone attempts to tread a fine line. Any party throwing is done by
contracted party throwers. You think that's amusing? It came out in
CDC history that LLL's computer center had a short stature physicist run
their center. CDC endeavored always to have a sales head shorter than Sid.
Always.
I am taller than Sid, and I am short.
The conference is now SC'xy and no longer Supercomputing'xy.
Anne & Lynn Wheeler
re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#84 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009p.html#85 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#0 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#1 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009q.html#2 Anyone going to Supercomputers '09 in Portland?
I'm using coaster from a booth at some long ago supercomputer '93; also
held in Portland. Its from an institution that had only relatively
recently come out of the closet. There were people that wouldn't walk
down that isle ... being conflicted ... apparently leftover from when
the institution was still in the closet.
Kahaner was also in attendance ... back in the days ... when his reports
were freely available ... from long ago and far away ...
Dr. David K. Kahaner
US Office of Naval Research Asia
(From outside US): 23-17, 7-chome, Roppongi, Minato-ku, Tokyo 106 Japan
(From within US): Unit 45002, APO AP 96337-0007
Tel: +81 3 3401-8924, Fax: +81 3 3403-9670
Email: kah...@cs.titech.ac.jp
Re: Supercomuting 1993
11/13/93 (MM/DD/YY)
This file is named "sc.93"
ABSTRACT. Supercomputing'93 in Portland OR, 11/93
I will be at Supercomputing 1993 in Portland OR, 15-19 Nov 1993. Prof
A. Malony and I invite you to join us at our mini Symposium,
"Supercomputing Around the World" which is being held as part of SC'93
on Friday 19 Nov at 8:30AM in Room 204. We are expecting five very
interesting overview talks.