microcontroller in SPI Slave mode when clock is continous and no SSEL

blisca

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Nov 14, 2012, 5:43:58 PM11/14/12

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Please can i have your help?

I'm confused about the following situation:

A transceiver is connected in SPI mode to a microcontroller(LPC12xx).
The transceiver outputs a continous clock ,and it does not drive any SSEL
line to enable the SPI section of the microcontroller.
The microcontroller should decide when to start a data transmission,but just
enabling its SPI module it goes in Busy condition and i have found no way to
change it.
Polling the BSY flag goes to a never ending loop,just as the uC is still
sending out something,or receiving and it is always busy.

How is the right way to deal with similar situations?

Many thanks for help or hints or links
Diego

Rob Gaddi

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Nov 14, 2012, 5:46:36 PM11/14/12

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If your transceiver outputs a continuous clock, and has no SSEL, then
how does it expect the receiving device to frame the data?

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Rob Gaddi, Highland Technology -- www.highlandtechnology.com
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blisca

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Nov 14, 2012, 6:15:41 PM11/14/12

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"Rob Gaddi" <rga...@technologyhighland.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:43:58 +0100
> "blisca" <bli...@tiscali.it> wrote:
>
>> Please can i have your help?
>>
>> I'm confused about the following situation:
>>
>> A transceiver is connected in SPI mode to a microcontroller(LPC12xx).
>> The transceiver outputs a continous clock ,and it does not drive any SSEL
>> line to enable the SPI section of the microcontroller.
>> The microcontroller should decide when to start a data transmission,but
>> just
>> enabling its SPI module it goes in Busy condition and i have found no way
>> to
>> change it.
>> Polling the BSY flag goes to a never ending loop,just as the uC is still
>> sending out something,or receiving and it is always busy.
>>
>> How is the right way to deal with similar situations?
>>
>> Many thanks for help or hints or links
>> Diego
>>
>
> If your transceiver outputs a continuous clock, and has no SSEL, then
> how does it expect the receiving device to frame the data?
>

Thanks for your answer
Mine is..I dont'know...
the transceiver is
http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/ADF7021-N.pdf
if you take a look at page 46 Figure 60 you can see how microcontroller and
transceiver are connecter.None of lower output signals SWD or SREAD acts as
SSEL.

At least i could use those signals to write into control registers,to enable
TX mode only when i need it,but i don't think that i could have a known
number of clock pulses in this way.

Thanks for your attention
Diego

hamilton

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Nov 14, 2012, 6:32:09 PM11/14/12

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You mean this figure 60, the one that states:
Figure 60. ADF7021-N (UART Mode) to Asynchronous Microcontroller Interface

This is NOT using the SPI interface for this mode of operation.

The paragraph heading should have told you something: UART Mode

Please re-read these paragraphs and form your question from there.

Its figure 61 that uses SPI.

hamilton

blisca

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Nov 15, 2012, 2:50:25 AM11/15/12

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"hamilton" <hami...@nothere.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On 11/14/2012 4:15 PM, blisca wrote:
>> "Rob Gaddi" <rga...@technologyhighland.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:20121114144...@rg.highlandtechnology.com...
>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:43:58 +0100
>>> "blisca" <bli...@tiscali.it> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please can i have your help?
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused about the following situation:
>>>>
>>>> A transceiver is connected in SPI mode to a microcontroller(LPC12xx).
>>>> The transceiver outputs a continous clock ,and it does not drive any
>>>> SSEL
>>>> line to enable the SPI section of the microcontroller.
>>>> The microcontroller should decide when to start a data transmission,but
>>>> just
>>>> enabling its SPI module it goes in Busy condition and i have found no
>>>> way
>>>> to
>>>> change it.
>>>> Polling the BSY flag goes to a never ending loop,just as the uC is
>>>> still
>>>> sending out something,or receiving and it is always busy.
>>>>
>>>> How is the right way to deal with similar situations?
>>>

>>> If your transceiver outputs a continuous clock, and has no SSEL, then
>>> how does it expect the receiving device to frame the data?
>>>
>> Thanks for your answer
>> Mine is..I dont'know...
>> the transceiver is
>> http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/ADF7021-N.pdf
>> if you take a look at page 46 Figure 60 you can see how microcontroller
>> and
>> transceiver are connecter.None of lower output signals SWD or SREAD acts
>> as
>> SSEL.
>>
>

> You mean this figure 60, the one that states:
> Figure 60. ADF7021-N (UART Mode) to Asynchronous Microcontroller Interface
>
> This is NOT using the SPI interface for this mode of operation.
>
> The paragraph heading should have told you something: UART Mode
>
> Please re-read these paragraphs and form your question from there.
>
> Its figure 61 that uses SPI.
>
> hamilton

Thank you ,
i realized that the datasheet in my PC is not the same as the one that i
linked.
Is Figure 61.

Tauno Voipio

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Nov 15, 2012, 3:54:22 AM11/15/12

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To your original question:

The payload interface (TxRxCLK and TxRxDATA) transfers just a raw bit
stream with no framing provided, see figures 8 and 9 in the linked
data sheet. It is up to you to decode the bit porridge. A suggested
framing is in figure 54 of the data sheet. The raw bit stream is not
very well suited to a SPI interface, though it is so named by AD.

You might be better off using the UART mode with an UART interface
on the host processor.

--

Tauno Voipio

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"Tauno Voipio" <tauno....@notused.fi.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On 15.11.12 1:15 , blisca wrote:
>> "Rob Gaddi" <rga...@technologyhighland.invalid> ha scritto nel messaggio
>> news:20121114144...@rg.highlandtechnology.com...
>>> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 23:43:58 +0100
>>> "blisca" <bli...@tiscali.it> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please can i have your help?
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused about the following situation:
>>>>
>>>> A transceiver is connected in SPI mode to a microcontroller(LPC12xx).
>>>> The transceiver outputs a continous clock ,and it does not drive any
>>>> SSEL
>>>> line to enable the SPI section of the microcontroller.
>>>> The microcontroller should decide when to start a data transmission,but
>>>> just
>>>> enabling its SPI module it goes in Busy condition and i have found no
>>>> way
>>>> to
>>>> change it.
>>>> Polling the BSY flag goes to a never ending loop,just as the uC is
>>>> still
>>>> sending out something,or receiving and it is always busy.
>>>>
>>>> How is the right way to deal with similar situations?
>
>

> The payload interface (TxRxCLK and TxRxDATA) transfers just a raw bit
> stream with no framing provided, see figures 8 and 9 in the linked
> data sheet. It is up to you to decode the bit porridge. A suggested
> framing is in figure 54 of the data sheet. The raw bit stream is not
> very well suited to a SPI interface, though it is so named by AD.
>
> You might be better off using the UART mode with an UART interface
> on the host processor.
>
> --

Thank you too,Tauno
i did something working on SPI,but i 'm not able to master it completely,
by now i'm on a trivial software handling of that communication,using a GPIO
edge interrupt
and a pulse clock counter and it works correctly.
UART mode is not allowed for the modulation that was decided by the RF pals

Thanks again to you all