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Kenneth P. Turvey

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From: "Kenneth P. Turvey" <kt-use...@squeakydolphin.com>

Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 05:46:39 GMT

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Subject: Re: Is universal artificial neural network possible?

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On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:28:22 +0000, Kenneth P. Turvey wrote:
> On Thu, 08 May 2008 10:10:57 +0000, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:

>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 03:52:01 GMT, Kenneth P. Turvey wrote:

>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:40:53 +0000, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:

[Snip]
>>>> It certainly puts some time constraint, statistically. However that
>>>> is probably irrelevant as the event already happened - we call
>>>> themselves intelligent. A real constraint for Turing-complete systems
>>>> could exist if our brain used some incomputable elements.

>>> Ok, to me this is silly. Just my opinion. If it was not computable,
>>> then our brain clearly couldn't compute it.

>> This is a different thing. Real-time clock is incomputable, yet any
>> modern CPU has it. The very idea of an incomputable element is to
>> compute something, which cannot be computed otherwise.

> This just doesn't follow your assertion above.

[Snip]

I should probably have been more clear. You mention that these
incomputable elements might be a real constraint for our hypothetical
Turing-complete system. To me this implies that these elements reduce
the complexity of the problem significantly bringing it within our
grasp. If this is the case you are really talking about Oracles, not
sources of random inputs or time.

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Kenneth P. Turvey <kt-use...@squeakydolphin.com>

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