Re: Will VIA Nano run Linux and 64-bit iForth for 64-bit AI?
Forthminder
> On Oct 25, 2:32 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
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> > >> Mentifex
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> > Completely inoffensive, therefore entitled to toleration.
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> > Jerry
> > --
> > Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
> > ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
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> Further, he is one of the few outspoken users of Forth
> who is doing something reasonably useful.
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> We can argue about all sorts of things that his AI system
> is doing, but in the end, I suspect that it will not be all bad.
> Personally, I encourage his participation and use of the language.
>
> DaR
Jerry Avins and Dennis Ruffer get a tip of the hat
and thank-you from ATM/Mentifex for their civility.
This occasion prompts a Q-DOS style progress report
(i.e., quick and dirty) on the move of Mentifex
artificial intelligence from 32-bit Win32Forth
to x86-64 iForth and 86-bit Linux, +/- Mac OSX.
Today I bought my first new computer in 18 years,
since I purchased an Amiga CDTV (Amiga 500) in 1991.
My new Acer Aspire 32-bit WiFi netbook is a bridge
to the eventual scrounging of a 64-bit Linux PC.
http://store.kagi.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?storeID=AMP_Live¤cy=USD
is where I plan to buy 32/64-bit iForth v4.0 as
announced on 8 October 2009 by Marcel Hendrix.
The point-of-sale page allows Netizens to choose
from many different monetary currencies to buy in.
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/mindforth.txt is the
free AI source code in Win32Forth that I plan to
recode in 32/64-bit iForth so that minor tweaking
will permit AI enthusiasts to run the "i4thmind"
on 64-bit Windows/Linux/OSX.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/win32forth/message/14462
is about "MindForth expanding into Linux x86-64 iForth."
By announcing the _intent_ of a 64-bit i4thmind AI in
pertinent newsgroups and other forums, I believe that
I make it possible for "early adopters" and technical
wizards to race ahead on the path to serious True AI.
Respectfully submitted,
A.T. Murray/Mentifex
--
http://cyborg.blogspot.com
http://code.google.com/p/mindforth
Forthminder
> Albert van der Horst wrote:
> [...]
> > [...] He started his career right here at c.l.f.
>
> No. Forth was (at least) his second language. We could
> go back through the archives, or we could ask him.
The c.l.f. archives from 1998 and 1999 are fun to read,
especially the faux acerbic remarks of John Passiniti.
Jerry Avins is right. In REXX I coded
http://mind.sourceforge.net/mindrexx.html
and was persuaded to switch to Forth.
A.v.d.Horst also wrote:
>> He was the inspiration for my "Computer Intelligence Forth" ciforth.
http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/aiforth.html
is perhaps what A.v.d.Horst is referring to. it seems
to be a 64-bit Forth for DEC Alpha.
> Jerry
Two days ago at a Radio Shack in Seattle I bought
an Acer Aspire one 32-bit WiFi netbook to provide
Net access from cafes and public libraries.
Yesterday I used the netbook to purchase
iforth4_oct8_2009.zip on-line.
Today I am in a Starbucks cafe getting ready to
download the 32/64-bit iForth into the netbook.
The instructions from Marcel Hendrix say to
"Expand the zip archive to a USB stick
(or burn to a CD) before using the supplied
installation scripts." Luckily with the
netbook I bought an 8-GB SanDisk Flash Drive.
I may have to buy WinZip all over again.
Once I get 32/64-bit iForth working on this
Netbook, I should be able to code
http;//www.scn.org/~mentifex/mindforth.txt
still in Win32Forth, and the I4thMind AI
on the 32-bit Netbook for tweaking upwards
to 64-bit iForth on Linux platforms.
Once serious True AI MindForth gets loose in the
Linux environment full of hardcore otaku Nerds
who code for the sheer existential thrill of it,
watch out, world, for a Technological Singularity.
Arthur
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http://cyborg.blogspot.com
http://www.scn.org/~mentifex/Mind.html
http://mentifex.virtualentity.com/theory5.html
http://code.google.com/p/mindforth/wiki/MileStones
Jerry Avins
I must admit that my native skepticism governs here, but I certainly
wish you success.
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Albert van der Horst
Forthminder <ment...@myuw.net> wrote:
<SNIP>
>
>A.v.d.Horst also wrote:
>>> He was the inspiration for my "Computer Intelligence Forth" ciforth.
>
>http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/aiforth.html
>is perhaps what A.v.d.Horst is referring to. it seems
>to be a 64-bit Forth for DEC Alpha.
aiforth follows the ciforth model, but it is just for the DEC Alpha.
A better reference for ciforth in general is
http://home.hccnet.nl/a.w.m.van.der.horst/ciforth.html
mina,lina,lina64,wina,xina,bina and the Renesas, 6809, and Alpha
ciforths are all based on the ciforth model.
The design criterion is that a computer intelligence must be able
to understand her own code. This must result in i.a. the ability to
derive the stack effects of all code words.
There has been some progress in adding the stack effects automatically
to all words. A computer intelligence is not quite there though ;-)
The related ciasdis (computer intelligence assembler disassembler) had
some success in reverse engineering colorforth.
This model can be taken seriously for maybe a 64 bit Ghz processor
with Gbyte RAM and Tbyte disk. It is used for a 6809 merely because
I have a toolkit to crank out a ciforth easily, complete with
documentation.
>
>Two days ago at a Radio Shack in Seattle I bought
>an Acer Aspire one 32-bit WiFi netbook to provide
>Net access from cafes and public libraries.
I would never admit to having no Internet access from home,
out of fear that people would not take me seriously.
<SNIP>
>Once serious True AI MindForth gets loose in the
>Linux environment full of hardcore otaku Nerds
>who code for the sheer existential thrill of it,
>watch out, world, for a Technological Singularity.
I'm holding my breath, for how long now? Ten years?
>
>Arthur
Groetjes Albert
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Economic growth -- being exponential -- ultimately falters.
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Rainer Weikusat
[...]
> Once serious True AI MindForth gets loose in the
> Linux environment full of hardcore otaku Nerds
> who code for the sheer existential thrill of it,
I code because I get paid to do so. If it weren't this way, I would
probably code as a hobby. Do you have a similar damning statement
about people with other professions or other hobbies, say, gardening,
or is this reserved for those whose existence threatens you,
presumably, because your ability to make money is at chance.
BTW, slavery is illegal almost everywhere and should you ever manage
to create an intelligent being, enslaving it would still be illegal.