CommonJS Wiki (Was Spec medium)

[Daniel Friesen]

The spec medium discussion broke off into a wiki discussion, only Kevin
responded so it looks like it went unnoticed.
http://groups.google.com/group/commonjs/browse_thread/thread/130b5ecd678befeb/7f78f65335975b79#7f78f65335975b79

In short:
Any reason to stick with the mozilla wiki?
Perhaps switching over to Wikia would be a good idea...

Pros:
- Externally hosted with good reliability
- Pagerank
- Ability to move pages without asking someone and admin control over
the pages so we can cleanup after ourselves
- Syntax highlighting and flexibility with anything we need
- Reliable dumps which could also be used as an archive or turned into a
standalone version
- Editing pages is faster on Wikia than on the mozilla wiki
Cons:
- Wikia does use advertising for their revenue, they are a tiny bit
obtrusive in some cases, but probably nothing to care about in our case

http://commonjs.wikia.com/

What does everyone think? Move to that wiki, or stay at mozilla wiki?
(If this takes to long re-importing is going to get fuzzy)

--
~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

[Kris Kowal]

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:41 AM, Daniel Friesen<nadir.s...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In short:
> Any reason to stick with the mozilla wiki?
> Perhaps switching over to Wikia would be a good idea...

Although I'm not married to the Mozilla Wiki, I'm not in favor of
switching to Wikia. It's not very professional in character.

Kris Kowal

[Wes Garland]

1 - PageRank is irrelevant
2 - Ads suck

Mozilla wiki, I'm ambivalent on. I'd rather see it hosted somewhere under the commonjs.org umbrella but I don't want to do any work in that regard.  Anybody out there with time to burn?

Wes

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Director, Product Development
PageMail, Inc.
+1 613 542 2787 x 102

[Daniel Friesen]

Btw, just for reference. I'm a MediaWiki developer. Or rather, I was a
core developer with commit access to the repo but bout half a year ago I
got to understand JavaScript fully and with my grown dislike of PHP and
some of the rougher spots developing extensions I started to lose
interest in MediaWiki.

Installation, configuring, help with those, bugfixes, I'm available to
help out.
Redwerks (the small company I work for) lets me host what I want on our
dev server on EC2 (I plan to get my own eventually moving away from my
linode) long as it doesn't eat up piles of money in bandwidth.
Though I don't know how others would feel about that. Better if someone
more integral to the group has server space to burn I could help setup.

~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

Wes Garland wrote:
> 1 - PageRank is irrelevant
> 2 - Ads suck
>
> Mozilla wiki, I'm ambivalent on. I'd rather see it hosted somewhere

> under the commonjs.org <http://commonjs.org> umbrella but I don't want

[Daniel Friesen]

Ok, Kevin says jshq is on dreamhost for now.
Out of the question to me cause I know quite well insanity lies in
hosting MediaWiki without a VPS.

How about I host the wiki on our development server for now, (someone
can point wiki.commonjs.org or perhaps another subd like draft,
proposals, or something to it) till someone else gets a VPS and wants to
host it.
Our dev server is actually a better fit than the live server anyways.
The app I'm developing is bad enough I need memcached for it already,
and since it's in development I local dump and archive some dev things
daily (emptied weekly), do a full dump and archive of everything weekly,
and on a daily basis mirror those backups and the entire config and web
directory to a backup drive on a machine in the office. (Erm, I
definitely need to get around to setting up backups for the live server)
I can also do daily xml dumps people are free to archive.

~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

[Kevin Dangoor]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Friesen <nadir.s...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, Kevin says jshq is on dreamhost for now.
Out of the question to me cause I know quite well insanity lies in
hosting MediaWiki without a VPS.

Good to know :)
 

How about I host the wiki on our development server for now, (someone
can point wiki.commonjs.org or perhaps another subd like draft,
proposals, or something to it) till someone else gets a VPS and wants to
host it.

While I'd imagine I can get a VPS from Mozilla without too much effort, my problem is that the time that I expected to have freed up right now has been sucked away elsewhere unexpectedly. So I very much appreciate someone else setting up the wiki.

I'm fine with calling it "wiki.commonjs.org", because that's a reasonable name should there be anything else we want to toss up there...

I've cc'ed Chris Zumbrunn explicitly, since he owns the commonjs domain name. Of course, you'll need to let Chris know what the IP address of your server is.

Thanks for offering to set up a cleaner wiki!

Kevin

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Kevin Dangoor

work: http://labs.mozilla.com/
email: k...@blazingthings.com
blog: http://www.BlueSkyOnMars.com

[Daniel Friesen]

http://dns-tools.domaintools.com/?q=voltaire.redwerks.org&m=dns
IP is 75.101.178.185, but it's easiest if you just cname to
voltaire.redwerks.org in case we have to change the ip to something else
for some reason (I'm still unsure of if we have an elastic IP on it...
It doesn't break when we restart, but I'm still not sure).

Since I'm sorta conservative person when it comes to "Go ahead, use what
you want" responses, I'm probably going to replace the blank space in
the lower left where the license icon would go (we don't have a license
set) with a icon pointing to Redwerks' home page while I'm borrowing the
company's server. I don't think anyone should mind.

~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

Kevin Dangoor wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Daniel Friesen
> <nadir.s...@gmail.com <mailto:nadir.s...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Ok, Kevin says jshq is on dreamhost for now.
> Out of the question to me cause I know quite well insanity lies in
> hosting MediaWiki without a VPS.
>
>
> Good to know :)
>
>
> How about I host the wiki on our development server for now, (someone

> can point wiki.commonjs.org <http://wiki.commonjs.org> or perhaps

> another subd like draft,
> proposals, or something to it) till someone else gets a VPS and
> wants to
> host it.
>
>
> While I'd imagine I can get a VPS from Mozilla without too much
> effort, my problem is that the time that I expected to have freed up
> right now has been sucked away elsewhere unexpectedly. So I very much
> appreciate someone else setting up the wiki.
>
> I'm fine with calling it "wiki.commonjs.org

> <http://wiki.commonjs.org>", because that's a reasonable name should

> there be anything else we want to toss up there...
>
> I've cc'ed Chris Zumbrunn explicitly, since he owns the commonjs
> domain name. Of course, you'll need to let Chris know what the IP
> address of your server is.
>
> Thanks for offering to set up a cleaner wiki!
>
> Kevin
>
> --
> Kevin Dangoor
>
> work: http://labs.mozilla.com/

> email: k...@blazingthings.com <mailto:k...@blazingthings.com>
> blog: http://www.BlueSkyOnMars.com
>
> >

[Daniel Friesen]

Uhh... looks like this'll have to wait another day or two...
I accidentally ran `rm */etc/httpd.conf` inside our sites folder on the
dev server removing all the apache config files...
I can't fix that till tomorrow (it appears my backup scripts have been
creating empty tarballs, so the only thing left is the backup mirror in
the office), thus I can't restart the apache server and reload configs
till tomorrow.

~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name]

[Wes Garland]

Note to self... don't let Dan Friesen loose on your production servers... ;)

Wes

[sleepnova]

How about hosting the spec server in js it's self? A markup to combine
document, source and test spec, rendered into a page serving view and
editing purpose in browser. Each module can be download in a source
form without non-executable part and can be required by js
applications direct from that URL.

> >    http://groups.google.com/group/commonjs/browse_thread/thread/130b5ecd...