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Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:26:30 -0400
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Subject: Re: Project: Train detector
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Not much to add here other than I too am interested and seem to have
observed more rail traffic lately.  However, I too may be biased as I just
bought a house nearer the tracks.  (about two blocks away from Collexion
actually!)



On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Chris Harn <har...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>   We looked into this just recently for one our quarries that loads
> trains.
>  All trains in the united states are equipped with 2 RFID cards (yes one
> for each side of the rail car), made by Transcore. (I think maybe all
> containers as well)
>  The cards have something like a 4 digit aphanumeric that represents the
> owner and then also are followed by 3-4 digit number.
>  I believe these RFID cards may have some read\write area on them as well.
>  In the case of one of my quarries we send off an email to CSX with each
> rail car codes and then a series of routing codes.
>  These people make a system: http://www.softrail.com/
>
>  *From:* Jerome Hollon <jeromehol...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 15, 2012 2:15 PM
> *To:* collexion@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Project: Train detector
>
> If you can setup something on each side of the tracks, it should be pretty
> easy to set a IR emitter/receiver and see when something breaks the line of
> sight. You'd want to set it diagonally across the tracks so openings in the
> carts don't set it off again.
>
> If you can't do that, you could try tracking decibels, you'd need some
> trial to figure out just how loud a train is, and you might have some false
> positives, but we all know trains are loud. You could reduce false
> positives by requiring the loudness to be so loud for a minimum span of
> time, and prevent it from redetecting the train again by not listening for
> x number of minutes after a train was detected.
>
> Just some ideas I'm throwing out, not actual implementations.
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:06 PM, David Hempy <scoot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So I was sitting on my back porch watching a freight train rumble by,
>> reflecting that there seems to be a lot more rail traffic these days. I
>> postulated what that might reflect of the economy.  Then I wondered if
>> there really is more traffic, or if I'm just noticing it more since I'm a
>> new daddy?  My tykes LOVE the trains.  They stop whatever is going on to
>> watch them pass before waving "bye-bye choo-choo!"
>>
>> Now I'm thinking about a data logging train detector. How would that
>> work?  Exactly what data would it record?  What would the data reveal?
>> Would the data be interesting to anyone else?
>>
>> Personally, I'm most interested in the detection part.  Here's my desired
>> parameters:
>>
>> Single point of observation, 100' from the tracks.  (No trespassing!)
>> Power and net (or download) access available. Hobby budget.  All-season
>> operation with three-year reliability, maintenance allowed.
>>
>> I thought this might be fun for some Collexionaires.  I've got several
>> ideas bumping around in my head, but wanted to use some of your cycles
>> before prejudicing you with my thoughts.  So...think about how you might do
>> this tonight, and what you would do with the data, and how you would share
>> it.
>>
>> Don't reply yet...discussion starts Tuesday!
>>
>> -dave
>>
>>
>>
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Not much to add here other than I too am interested and seem to have observ=
ed more rail traffic lately.=A0 However, I too may be biased as I just boug=
ht a house nearer the tracks.=A0 (about two blocks away from Collexion actu=
ally!)<br>
<br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Chr=
is Harn <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:har...@hotmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">har...@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Calibri&#39;">
<div>We looked into this just recently for one our quarries that loads=20
trains.</div>
<div></div>
<div>All trains in the united states are equipped with 2 RFID cards (yes on=
e for=20
each side of the rail car), made by Transcore. (I think maybe all container=
s as=20
well)</div>
<div></div>
<div>The cards have something like a 4 digit aphanumeric that represents th=
e=20
owner and then also are followed by 3-4 digit number.</div>
<div></div>
<div>I believe these RFID cards may have some read\write area on them as=20
well.</div>
<div></div>
<div>In the case of one of my quarries we send off an email to CSX with eac=
h=20
rail car codes and then a series of routing codes.</div>
<div></div>
<div>These people make a system: <a title=3D"http://www.softrail.com/" href=
=3D"http://www.softrail.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.softrail.com/</a=
></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-f=
amily:&#39;Calibri&#39;;display:inline;font-weight:normal">
<div style=3D"FONT:10pt tahoma">
<div>=A0</div>
<div style=3D"BACKGROUND:#f5f5f5">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"jeromehol...@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:jerome=
hol...@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">Jerome Hollon</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 15, 2012 2:15 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"collexion@googlegroups.com" href=3D"mailto:coll=
exion@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">collexion@googlegroups.com</a> </=
div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: Project: Train detector</div></div></div>
<div>=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-f=
amily:&#39;Calibri&#39;;display:inline;font-weight:normal"><div class=3D"im=
">If=20
you can setup something on each side of the tracks, it should be pretty eas=
y to=20
set a IR emitter/receiver and see when something breaks the line of sight. =
You&#39;d=20
want to set it diagonally across the tracks so openings in the carts don&#3=
9;t set=20
it off again.=20
<div>=A0</div>
<div>If you can&#39;t do that, you could try tracking decibels, you&#39;d n=
eed some=20
trial to figure out just how loud a train is, and you might have some false=
=20
positives, but we all know trains are loud. You could reduce false positive=
s by=20
requiring the loudness to be so loud for a minimum span of time, and preven=
t it=20
from redetecting the train again by not listening for x number of minutes a=
fter=20
a train was detected.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
</div><div><div class=3D"im">Just some ideas I&#39;m throwing out, not actu=
al implementations.<br><br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at =
2:06 PM, David Hempy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:scootlex@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">scoot...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">So I was sitt=
ing on my back porch watching a freight train=20
  rumble by, reflecting that there seems to be a lot more rail traffic thes=
e=20
  days. I postulated what that might reflect of the economy.=A0 Then I=20
  wondered if there really is more traffic, or if I&#39;m just noticing it =
more=20
  since I&#39;m a new daddy?=A0 My tykes LOVE the trains.=A0 They stop=20
  whatever is going on to watch them pass before waving &quot;bye-bye=20
  choo-choo!&quot;<br><br>Now I&#39;m thinking about a data logging train d=
etector. How=20
  would that work?=A0 Exactly what data would it record?=A0 What would the=
=20
  data reveal?=A0 Would the data be interesting to anyone else?=A0=20
  <br><br>Personally, I&#39;m most interested in the detection part.=A0 Her=
e&#39;s my=20
  desired parameters:<br><br>Single point of observation, 100&#39; from the=
=20
  tracks.=A0 (No trespassing!) Power and net (or download) access available=
.=20
  Hobby budget.=A0 All-season operation with three-year reliability,=20
  maintenance allowed. <br><br>I thought this might be fun for some=20
  Collexionaires.=A0 I&#39;ve got several ideas bumping around in my head, =
but=20
  wanted to use some of your cycles before prejudicing you with my=20
  thoughts.=A0 So...think about how you might do this tonight, and what you=
=20
  would do with the data, and how you would share it.<br><br>Don&#39;t repl=
y=20
  yet...discussion starts Tuesday!<br><br>-dave</div><span><font color=3D"#=
888888"><div class=3D"im"><br><br><br><br>-- <br>You received this message =
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