Actually, I am saying that, Jonathan. We don't know how many organizations
would have submitted had they had another week or two to coordinate
arrangements.
I suspect it's a moot point because I won't be agreed with, but it doesn't
make me wrong.
As for the devil, he needs no advocate--he does quite well on his own.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <rochk...@jhu.edu> wrote:
> Which is obviously infeasible to me. Are you suggesting that it's not
> fair to include this late submission unless we publically reopen the
> submission period to everyone?
> Or are you just playing devil's advocate to make trouble? :)
> Jonathan
> Karen Schneider wrote:
> > Ok, to clarify, reopen the submission period.
> > Karen
> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <rochk...@jhu.edu
> <mailto:rochk...@jhu.edu>> wrote:
> > What do you mean 're-open the voting period'? The voting period has not
> > yet opened. But Ross wants to get opened ASAP, which is why he needs a
> > decision on this ASAP.
> > If the voting period had already opened, I think it would indeed be too
> > late to include any last minute proposals.
> > Karen Schneider wrote:
> >> If we're going for "inclusion" then wouldn't we reopen the voting period
> entirely?
> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Carol Bean <beanwo...@gmail.com
> <mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com><mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com<mailto:
> beanwo...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >> +1 for inclusion
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It looks like the vote will be to include the Bloomington proposal, so
this tells me that next year the deadline should be the day the vote
goes up, not before.
Roy
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Karen Schneider <kgschnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, I am saying that, Jonathan. We don't know how many organizations
> would have submitted had they had another week or two to coordinate
> arrangements.
> I suspect it's a moot point because I won't be agreed with, but it doesn't
> make me wrong.
> As for the devil, he needs no advocate--he does quite well on his own.
> Karen
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <rochk...@jhu.edu> wrote:
>> Which is obviously infeasible to me. Are you suggesting that it's not
>> fair to include this late submission unless we publically reopen the
>> submission period to everyone?
>> Or are you just playing devil's advocate to make trouble? :)
>> Jonathan
>> Karen Schneider wrote:
>> > Ok, to clarify, reopen the submission period.
>> > Karen
>> > On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind
>> > <rochk...@jhu.edu<mailto:rochk...@jhu.edu>> wrote:
>> > What do you mean 're-open the voting period'? The voting period has not
>> > yet opened. But Ross wants to get opened ASAP, which is why he needs a
>> > decision on this ASAP.
>> > If the voting period had already opened, I think it would indeed be too
>> > late to include any last minute proposals.
>> > Karen Schneider wrote:
>> >> If we're going for "inclusion" then wouldn't we reopen the voting
>> >> period entirely?
>> >> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Carol Bean
>> >> <beanwo...@gmail.com<mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com><mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com<mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com>>>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> +1 for inclusion
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You know, I don't have strong feelings on it. I see both sides. I'd withdraw my vote and abstain if it would make a difference, but I think what ross really needs is just some decision one way or the other, not more confusing arguments. I don't think it's a disaster either way.
Roy Tennant wrote:
> It looks like the vote will be to include the Bloomington proposal, so
> this tells me that next year the deadline should be the day the vote
> goes up, not before.
> Roy
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Karen Schneider <kgschnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Actually, I am saying that, Jonathan. We don't know how many organizations
>> would have submitted had they had another week or two to coordinate
>> arrangements.
>> I suspect it's a moot point because I won't be agreed with, but it doesn't
>> make me wrong.
>> As for the devil, he needs no advocate--he does quite well on his own.
>> Karen
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <rochk...@jhu.edu> wrote:
>>> Which is obviously infeasible to me. Are you suggesting that it's not
>>> fair to include this late submission unless we publically reopen the
>>> submission period to everyone?
>>> Or are you just playing devil's advocate to make trouble? :)
>>> Jonathan
>>> Karen Schneider wrote:
>>>> Ok, to clarify, reopen the submission period.
>>>> Karen
>>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind
>>>> <rochk...@jhu.edu<mailto:rochk...@jhu.edu>> wrote:
>>>> What do you mean 're-open the voting period'? The voting period has not
>>>> yet opened. But Ross wants to get opened ASAP, which is why he needs a
>>>> decision on this ASAP.
>>>> If the voting period had already opened, I think it would indeed be too
>>>> late to include any last minute proposals.
>>>> Karen Schneider wrote:
>>>>> If we're going for "inclusion" then wouldn't we reopen the voting
>>>>> period entirely?
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Carol Bean
>>>>> <beanwo...@gmail.com<mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com><mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com<mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> +1 for inclusion
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>>>>> | Community Librarian
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>>>>> |
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Not that it matters since Ross just put up the form, I can certainly see both sides. Roy is correct when he asks why have deadlines if you will ignore them, but on the other-hand, nothing has been set yet so it isn't like we would have to restart voting.
Code4Lib, for better and for worse [1], has acted in an informal way and we seem to typically let these things slide. At last years conference I brought up some reasons why it might be wise to not be so informal, but while people kindly listened, very few people seemed to agree with me. I think this incident shows one of the drawbacks of being so informal. Of course there are many positives to our informality as well so I'm not arguing to revisit that. Regardless, we have chosen to be informal, and I think unless that decision (or lack of decision) changes, I think we should follow our president, which is why earlier I said to include Bloomington.
My guess is that the people that feel strongly against late submissions will act accordingly in the voting booth.
Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
> You know, I don't have strong feelings on it. I see both sides. I'd > withdraw my vote and abstain if it would make a difference, but I think > what ross really needs is just some decision one way or the other, not > more confusing arguments. I don't think it's a disaster either way.
> Roy Tennant wrote:
>> It looks like the vote will be to include the Bloomington proposal, so
>> this tells me that next year the deadline should be the day the vote
>> goes up, not before.
>> Roy
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Karen Schneider <kgschnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Actually, I am saying that, Jonathan. We don't know how many organizations
>>> would have submitted had they had another week or two to coordinate
>>> arrangements.
>>> I suspect it's a moot point because I won't be agreed with, but it doesn't
>>> make me wrong.
>>> As for the devil, he needs no advocate--he does quite well on his own.
>>> Karen
>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jonathan Rochkind <rochk...@jhu.edu> wrote:
>>>> Which is obviously infeasible to me. Are you suggesting that it's not
>>>> fair to include this late submission unless we publically reopen the
>>>> submission period to everyone?
>>>> Or are you just playing devil's advocate to make trouble? :)
>>>> Jonathan
>>>> Karen Schneider wrote:
>>>>> Ok, to clarify, reopen the submission period.
>>>>> Karen
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Jonathan Rochkind
>>>>> <rochk...@jhu.edu<mailto:rochk...@jhu.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> What do you mean 're-open the voting period'? The voting period has not
>>>>> yet opened. But Ross wants to get opened ASAP, which is why he needs a
>>>>> decision on this ASAP.
>>>>> If the voting period had already opened, I think it would indeed be too
>>>>> late to include any last minute proposals.
>>>>> Karen Schneider wrote:
>>>>>> If we're going for "inclusion" then wouldn't we reopen the voting
>>>>>> period entirely?
>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Carol Bean
>>>>>> <beanwo...@gmail.com<mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com><mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com<mailto:beanwo...@gmail.com>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> +1 for inclusion
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> | Community Librarian
>>>>>> | Equinox Software Inc. "The Evergreen Experts"
>>>>>> | Toll-free: 1.877.Open.ILS (1.877.673.6457) x712
>>>>>> |
>>>>>> k...@esilibrary.com<mailto:k...@esilibrary.com><mailto:k...@esilibrary.com<mailto:k...@esilibrary.com>>
>>>>>> | Web: http://www.esilibrary.com >>>>>> | Be a part of the Evergreen International Conference, May 20-22, 2009!
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