I'm trying to copy various bits code from one document to another. Is there an easy way to do it? Clunkily switching between the giant thumbnails doesn't cut it, is there a way to have two documents side by side?
> I'm trying to copy various bits code from one document to another. Is there an easy way to do it? Clunkily switching between the giant thumbnails doesn't cut it, is there a way to have two documents side by side?
On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 12:04:50 PM UTC+1, Blitz wrote:
> I'm trying to copy various bits code from one document to another. Is > there an easy way to do it? Clunkily switching between the giant thumbnails > doesn't cut it, is there a way to have two documents side by side?
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Blitz <nat...@artballs.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi, Thanks for the reply. That opens the same document twice, not two
> separate documents? I can't seem to close the second view now either…
> I just want to put two windows next to each other, is there a way to do
> this?
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 12:04:50 PM UTC+1, Blitz wrote:
>> I'm trying to copy various bits code from one document to another. Is
>> there an easy way to do it? Clunkily switching between the giant thumbnails
>> doesn't cut it, is there a way to have two documents side by side?
Hi Andy, thanks for the reply. Yeah, I have read that, I get it now, but… Isn't it an extremely long winded and distracting to workflow? Two windows open, done, get on with the job. With Splits, you have to navigate the View menu (or learn a weird shortcut), then find the other file and then drag it, not onto the window as might be expected (this, along with tabbing during find functions) wrecks your document by adding the file path to it, which you clearly don't (ever) want.
I had to keep referring to the blog doc for each step of using a Split.
Panic: It's too complicated (and distracting from the coding task at hand) to open two different documents to view simultaneously. Opening two windows should be easy and obvious without reading a 'secrets' blog post.
> Item #1 tells you a bit more about how to get a different document into > the new split.
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM,
>> Hi, Thanks for the reply. That opens the same document twice, not two >> separate documents? I can't seem to close the second view now either…
>> I just want to put two windows next to each other, is there a way to do >> this?
>> On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 12:04:50 PM UTC+1, Blitz wrote:
>>> I'm trying to copy various bits code from one document to another. Is >>> there an easy way to do it? Clunkily switching between the giant thumbnails >>> doesn't cut it, is there a way to have two documents side by side?
> Panic: It's too complicated (and distracting from the coding task at
> hand) to open two different documents to view simultaneously. Opening two
> windows should be easy and obvious without reading a 'secrets' blog
> post.
It is easy. Look under the File menu and choose "New Window" :)
-- Cordially,
David
> With Splits, you have to navigate the View menu (or learn a weird > shortcut), then find the other file and then drag it, not onto the window > as might be expected (this, along with tabbing during find functions) > wrecks your document by adding the file path to it, which you clearly don't > (ever) want.
Not true!
Right click a file, "Open in Split", done.
Panic: It's too complicated (and distracting from the coding task at hand)
> to open two different documents to view simultaneously.
I disagree. :) I prefer to reduce "window management" as much as possible. But, obviously, everybody works different, so if your request is that it's easier to "clone" a window or open a second window for the same site — other than "Preview In > New Window", we'll think about that.
On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:13:38 AM UTC+1, Cabel Sasser wrote:
> With Splits, you have to navigate the View menu (or learn a weird >> shortcut), then find the other file and then drag it, not onto the window >> as might be expected (this, along with tabbing during find functions) >> wrecks your document by adding the file path to it, which you clearly don't >> (ever) want.
> Not true!
> Right click a file, "Open in Split", done.
OK… got that now, but it isn't obvious, and doesn't feel like a 'right clicky' type function. It's a regular file management/viewing procedure and should have an obvious button or method, like dragging the new file to the workspace (don't do this currently, it adds the file path randomly to the doc!).
I still can't make them side by side, only above and below - which isn't easy to scan for similar code. I tried the Panic blog instruction for yet another hidden right click procedure to switch the view button, but pressing that view button just shows a pop up option. I genuinely have not fathomed this, despite re-reading the blog post.
> Panic: It's too complicated (and distracting from the coding task at hand) >> to open two different documents to view simultaneously.
> I disagree. :) I prefer to reduce "window management" as much as possible. > But, obviously, everybody works different, so if your request is that it's > easier to "clone" a window or open a second window for the same site — > other than "Preview In > New Window", we'll think about that.
It is a complicated procedure, and interferes with the thought flow having to remember all these right clicks, or dragging a document, not onto the workspace, but onto the fiddly, whizzy breadcrumb bar (it is not intuitive as that seems like you are adding/dragging/transferring a file to a certain part of the document hierarchy, not to a viewing preference).
I agree New Window looks clunky, and is pretty much unusable for comparison, but this is because of the giant top heavy menu bar and also Mac OS X Lion's heavy shadows.
So, I agree that the split can save resizing and messing with windows, but
> the methods, or 'gesture' could be much more elegant and obvious. I've > never had to write a forum post, or resort to a blog to learn how to view a > document within an app. This is my main point on usability.
Thanks Cabel for your assistance, much appreciated.
Man, picky picky. Splits have been a mainstay of code editors and IDE's for a VERY, VERY long time. There's a convenient button that helps you do this, if you don't like keyboard shortcuts (a developer who dislikes keyboard shortcuts?). IF you don't like them, then do it the "easy way" as you've suggested (that sounds WAY more convoluted to me than just splitting the window). Just because you prefer to do something another way, it doesn't mean it's broken, or even badly designed. I work all day with split windows, and I would wager that a large percentage of developers use them quite regularly across a variety of code editors and IDE's.
Tip: hold option to split the window vertically instead of horizontally. You can also set this as default in the app's preferences.
ALSO" the "giant top heavy window" can be reduced to simple tabs (hopefully you already know this)
On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 5:56:55 AM UTC-4, Blitz wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 11, 2012 8:13:38 AM UTC+1, Cabel Sasser wrote:
>> With Splits, you have to navigate the View menu (or learn a weird >>> shortcut), then find the other file and then drag it, not onto the window >>> as might be expected (this, along with tabbing during find functions) >>> wrecks your document by adding the file path to it, which you clearly don't >>> (ever) want.
>> Not true!
>> Right click a file, "Open in Split", done.
> OK… got that now, but it isn't obvious, and doesn't feel like a 'right > clicky' type function. It's a regular file management/viewing procedure and > should have an obvious button or method, like dragging the new file to the > workspace (don't do this currently, it adds the file path randomly to the > doc!).
> I still can't make them side by side, only above and below - which isn't > easy to scan for similar code. I tried the Panic blog instruction for yet > another hidden right click procedure to switch the view button, but > pressing that view button just shows a pop up option. I genuinely have not > fathomed this, despite re-reading the blog post.
>> Panic: It's too complicated (and distracting from the coding task at >>> hand) to open two different documents to view simultaneously.
>> I disagree. :) I prefer to reduce "window management" as much as >> possible. But, obviously, everybody works different, so if your request is >> that it's easier to "clone" a window or open a second window for the same >> site — other than "Preview In > New Window", we'll think about that.
> It is a complicated procedure, and interferes with the thought flow having > to remember all these right clicks, or dragging a document, not onto the > workspace, but onto the fiddly, whizzy breadcrumb bar (it is not intuitive > as that seems like you are adding/dragging/transferring a file to a certain > part of the document hierarchy, not to a viewing preference).
> I agree New Window looks clunky, and is pretty much unusable for > comparison, but this is because of the giant top heavy menu bar and also > Mac OS X Lion's heavy shadows.
> So, I agree that the split can save resizing and messing with windows, but >> the methods, or 'gesture' could be much more elegant and obvious. I've >> never had to write a forum post, or resort to a blog to learn how to view a >> document within an app. This is my main point on usability.
> Thanks Cabel for your assistance, much appreciated.
