Genetic history of coconut

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Hugh Harries

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Researcher to trace genetic history of coconut

Portable source of food, water

By Tony Fitzpatrick

Aug. 6, 2007 -- The coconut has been popular in lore and on palates for centuries, yet little is known about the history of coconut's domestication and dispersal around the world.

Now, a biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking on the task of understanding the plant's history by exploring the genetics of the coconut (Cocos nucifera L.).

A biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking on the task of understanding the plant's history by exploring the genetics of the coconut (*Cocos nucifera L.*).
Lovely bunch of coconuts. A biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking on the task of understanding the plant's history by exploring the genetics of the coconut ( Cocos nucifera L.).

Kenneth Olsen, Ph.D., Washington University assistant professor of biology in Arts & Sciences, has received a $20,000 grant from the National Geographic Society to study the DNA of the plant, which can be used to infer historical relationships among populations. The work will be done in collaboration with Bee Gunn, a research specialist at the Missouri Botanical Garden.

"The coconut played a crucial role in the history of human exploration and dispersal across the tropics, and it continues to play a fundamental role in human societies today," said Olsen. "As a portable source of nutrition and water, the coconut was critical for humans to be able to voyage, establish trade routes, and colonize lands in the Pacific Rim, coastal India, Africa and South America.

"Our preliminary DNA sequence data show genetic variation within the coconut, and this is key to delineating historical relationships among different populations.

"Fossil data indicate that the coconut underwent an ancient dispersal event that predates human activity. This early dispersal is expected to have created a genetic signature that can be traced by examining the genetic structure of plants sampled across the species range."

Superimposed on this ancient 'phylogeographic' structure is the more recent history of human dispersal, cultivation and domestication, Olsen continued.

"Existing genetic data, while limited, suggest that the most highly domesticated 'Dwarf' form, grown worldwide is most closely related to Pacific populations," he said.

Both historically and today, this palm has myriad uses as a source of food, drink, and fuel. Every part of the plant is used, and recently coconut oil has been manufactured into bio-diesel in the Pacific, Olsen said.

He added that more than 11 million hectares (one hectare is equal to 100 acres) are now planted in coconut in 86 tropical countries.

Olsen will study the phylogeography of C. nucifera and its ancient dispersal; the geographical origin(s) of domestication; the impact of human activities in homogenizing population structure across the species range; and the possible geographical location of the undomesticated wild progenitor populations.
 

Nestor Enriquez

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I am just an amateur historian but I have been fascinated with the coconut origin. I belong to the old theory (I am old) base on the old encyclopedia that coconut has American Origin from the Caribbean shores. Lately this error has been pointed to me with good references.
 
My order in interest has something to do with the first world circumnavigation. The first fruit to go around might have been the coconuts as it has proven to navigate the sea for 100 days and possibly propagate itself in the process. The first person was my grandfather, Enrique if you believe me. I am just wondering why a certain variety of coconut is named Pigafetta. I know that in the first circumnavigation book he mentioned the coconut gifted to him by the Bisayan. He also mentioned about the coconut wine (arak) they drunk on Good Friday in 1521.
 
My pages on coconut--  philipppines.tripod.com/coconut.htm


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Aug 6, 2007, 9:28:42 PM8/6/07
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This is very good news, although I wonder how adequate $20000 is to do a good job of extending the already excellent work done mostly by CIRAD scientists on the DNA linkages between the dispersed coconut populations of the world.
On a metter of detail, there is need to inform Tony Fitzpatrick, the author of the press release, that one hectare equals 2.5 acres, not 100 acres! One wonders when knowledge of the metric system might penetrate the heartland of the USA!
Mike Foale

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Aug. 6, 2007 -- The coconut has been popular in lore and on palates for centuries, yet little is known about the history of coconut's domestication and dispersal around the world.

Now, a biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking on the task of understanding the plant's history by exploring the genetics of the coconut (Cocos nucifera L.).

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Hengky Novarianto

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I agrred with Dr.Mike Foale that this is very interesting research. DNA study is expensive, but Dr.Kenneth Olsen can do and get the good information from his research, if he not done from the beggining. The project of molecular study for characterizing coconut diversity ever funded by COGENT/IPGRI-EU-BUROTROP-CIRAD.They have chosen 14 microsatellite kit primer sequences. Please contack to Dr.L.Baudouin from CIRAD, Montpellier, France.
 
Good luck, and we hope you Dr.Kenneth can get new information about the origin of coconut.
 
 
Regards,
 
Hengky Novarianto
ICOPRI
Manado-Indonesia

Mike....@csiro.au wrote:
This is very good news, although I wonder how adequate $20000 is to do a good job of extending the already excellent work done mostly by CIRAD scientists on the DNA linkages between the dispersed coconut populations of the world.
On a metter of detail, there is need to inform Tony Fitzpatrick, the author of the press release, that one hectare equals 2.5 acres, not 100 acres! One wonders when knowledge of the metric system might penetrate the heartland of the USA!
Mike Foale

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Researcher to trace genetic history of coconut

Portable source of food, water

By Tony Fitzpatrick



Aug. 6, 2007 -- The coconut has been popular in lore and on palates for centuries, yet little is known about the history of coconut's domestication and dispersal around the world.

Now, a biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking on the task of understanding the plant's history by exploring the genetics of the coconut (Cocos nucifera L.).

A biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking on the task of understanding the plant's history by exploring the genetics of the coconut (*Cocos nucifera L.*).
Lovely bunch of coconuts. A biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking on the task of understanding the plant's history by exploring the genetics of the coconut ( Cocos nucifera L.).

Kenneth Olsen, Ph.D., Washington University assistant professor of biology in Arts & Sciences, has received a $20,000 grant from the National Geographic Society to study the DNA of the plant, which can be used to infer historical relationships among populations. The work will be done in collaboration with Bee Gunn, a research specialist at the Missouri Botanical Garden.

"The coconut played a crucial role in the history of human exploration and dispersal across the tropics, and it continues to play a fundamental role in human societies today," said Olsen. "As a portable source of nutrition and water, the coconut was critical for humans to be able to voyage, establish trade routes, and colonize lands in the Pacific Rim, coastal India, Africa and South America.

"Our preliminary DNA sequence data show genetic variation within the coconut, and this is key to delineating historical relationships among different populations.

"Fossil data indicate that the coconut underwent an ancient dispersal event that predates human activity. This early dispersal is expected to have created a genetic signature that can be traced by examining the genetic structure of plants sampled across the species range."

Superimposed on this ancient 'phylogeographic' structure is the more recent history of human dispersal, cultivation and domestication, Olsen continued.

"Existing genetic data, while limited, suggest that the most highly domesticated 'Dwarf' form, grown worldwide is most closely related to Pacific populations," he said.

Both historically and today, this palm has myriad uses as a source of food, drink, and fuel. Every part of the plant is used, and recently coconut oil has been manufactured into bio-diesel in the Pacific, Olsen said.

He added that more than 11 million hectares (one hectare is equal to 100 acres) are now planted in coconut in 86 tropical countries.

Olsen will study the phylogeography of C. nucifera and its ancient dispersal; the geographical origin(s) of domestication; the impact of human activities in homogenizing population structure across the species range; and the possible geographical location of the undomesticated wild progenitor populations.

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Dear All,
 
I have noted the kind of the DNA work proposed and condcuted by the Washington University university group. However, extensive and enough work has already been done on this issue since 1996 and much of information  related to coconut origin, domestication, and dispersal has been discovered through microsatellite markers both by us (the molecular biologist at the Coconut Research Institute of Sri Lanka with some collaboration from SCRI, Scotland) and CIRAD. In fact the close relatioship of dwaf with pacific and south east asian coconut is not noval findings and it is something that has been found few yers ago by us and by scientist at CIRAD too.
 
Thus It would be worthwhile, for the group to read and review all the molecular papers sofar published by us and CIRAD on coconut and the morphological diversity and some theories proposed by Dr. Hugh Harries to undertand what not to repeat and then extend their work beyond what has already been to fill the gaps and to find chloroplast DNA variation between different coconut varieties and also with other closely related palm species to really look into the origin and phylogeny.  
 
For your information  I have listed few key review tpe of publicatons (not scientific papers published but review papers) for the group and the rest to read.
 
 

Perera L. (2001) "Origin, domestication and genetic diversity of coconut: DNA Information" CORD XVII (1): 35-51

 

Perera L (2005) Genetic Diversity and relationships of coconut revealed by microsatellite markers. In: Plant Genome: Biodiversity and Evolution. Vol. I Part B, Phanerogams (Higher Groups). Eds. A.K sharma and A Sharma. Science Publishers Inc., USA. (ISBN 1-57808-353-2) March 2005

 

Perera L (2002) "Chloroplast DNA variation of Coconut is opposite to its nuclear DNA variation" CORD XVIII (2): 56-73

 

If I can be of any help to the group I am happy to assit them.

 

If anybody knows the contact details of the group, please be kind to inform me or forward this e-mail to them so that I can establish contacts with them directly. Otherwise it is embarasing to see already established facts coming as newly established findings.  

 

 

Lalith Perera (L. Perera)
Coconut Research Institute
Sri Lanka
 
    
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Charles R. Clement

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Dear Hugh and colleagues,

Does the Google Coconut group have a webpage for storage of the articles and review documents that Dr. Perera mentioned? I think we would all love to see the state-of-the-art and what Ken Olsen can add to it. I agree with Dr. Perera that reinventing the wheel is not good science, but this often requires access to some difficult to obtain documents.

Kenneth M. Olsen <kol...@wustl.edu>

Best regards,
Charles Clement


>I have noted the kind of the DNA work proposed and condcuted by the Washington University university group. However, extensive and enough work has already been done on this issue since 1996 and much of information  related to coconut origin, domestication, and dispersal has been discovered through microsatellite markers both by us (the molecular biologist at the Coconut Research Institute of Sri Lanka with some collaboration from SCRI, Scotland) and CIRAD. In fact the close relatioship of dwaf with pacific and south east asian coconut is not noval findings and it is something that has been found few yers ago by us and by scientist at CIRAD too.
>Thus It would be worthwhile, for the group to read and review all the molecular papers sofar published by us and CIRAD on coconut and the morphological diversity and some theories proposed by Dr. Hugh Harries to undertand what not to repeat and then extend their work beyond what has already been to fill the gaps and to find chloroplast DNA variation between different coconut varieties and also with other closely related palm species to really look into the origin and phylogeny. 
>For your information  I have listed few key review tpe of publicatons (not scientific papers published but review papers) for the group and the rest to read.
Perera L. (2001) "Origin, domestication and genetic diversity of coconut: DNA Information" CORD XVII (1): 35-51
Perera L (2005) Genetic Diversity and relationships of coconut revealed by microsatellite markers. In: Plant Genome: Biodiversity and Evolution. Vol. I Part B, Phanerogams (Higher Groups). Eds. A.K sharma and A Sharma. Science Publishers Inc., USA. (ISBN 1-57808-353-2) March 2005
Perera L (2002) "Chloroplast DNA variation of Coconut is opposite to its nuclear DNA variation" CORD XVIII (2): 56-73
>If I can be of any help to the group I am happy to assit them.
>If anybody knows the contact details of the group, please be kind to inform me or forward this e-mail to them so that I can establish contacts with them directly. Otherwise it is embarasing to see already established facts coming as newly established findings. 
Lalith Perera (L. Perera)
Coconut Research Institute
Sri Lanka

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By Tony Fitzpatrick
Aug. 6, 2007 -- The coconut has been popular in lore and on palates for centuries, yet little is known about the history of coconut's domestication and dispersal around the world.

Now, a biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking on the task of understanding the plant's history by exploring the genetics of the coconut (Cocos nucifera L.).
A biologist at Washington University in St. Louis is embarking  

Hugh Harries

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Charles
 
The Google coconut group can open a "page" http://groups.google.com/group/coconut/web  and  list all the on-line links but many/most/all of the documents mentioned by Lalith are either not (yet) available or only available by subscription. Alternatively, Lalith and the other authors can upload them into the "files" section http://groups.google.com/group/coconut/files but there may be a physical  limit to how much can be stored that way.
 
Lalith has asked "If anybody knows the contact details of the group, please be kind to inform me or forward this e-mail to them so that I can establish contacts with them directly" and you have provided Kenneth M. Olsen < kol...@wustl.edu> and the cvs of both Kenneth Olsen (Washington University) and Bee Gunn (Missouri Botanical Garden) are available at the web sites of their respective institutions..
 
I may be wrong but I think that the CRI and CIRAD work that Lalith refers to concerns the intra-generic relationships of existing varieties while Olsen and Gunn may be more interested in the extra-generic relations of Cocos and the possibility that  the wild progenitors of the coconut were from South America.

Hugh
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George, Maria Luz (Bioversity-Malaysia)

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Aug 7, 2007, 6:49:32 PM8/7/07
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Charles, Hugh, Lalith

If people want, we can have a place in the COGENT website for copies of interesting articles, especially those that are not freely available.  We can start with your papers, Lalith.

Luz

 


Dr. Faure

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Luz,
That would be great to have a place in COGENT website to pool all interesting articles.
Mathias


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George, Maria Luz (Bioversity-Malaysia)

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Okay!  Lalith, please send me copies of your articles.  Pdf would be good, but if not available, just scan with the smallest file size possible so that it would be easy for people to download.  I have another suggestion in another topic heading.

Luz

 


Genetics & Plant Breeding

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Aug 8, 2007, 2:12:33 AM8/8/07
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Dear all,
 
I am bit busy in the next couple of days attending the research review meeting of the CRISL and after that I circulate my publications (if avilable in pdf form or if not as a scaned copy). I also invite the CIRAD group to circulate their interesting papers on the same subject.
 
Lalith Perera 

Genetics & Plant Breeding

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Dear members,
 
I just found a draft of the book chapter on cocnut genome (not the final but more like it) and one of the publication in Euphytica 9Attached). I will find and send the two 'CORD" papers soon.
 
Lalith 
Eupytica paper 1 by lalith.pdf
Book Chater for plant genome.doc

Maria Luz George

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Lalith,
I now have a page in the COGENT website for articles.  However, the Euphytica file is damaged, could you send another copy?  For the book chapter, maybe it is better to post the book chapter itself with the proper citation.  In that way, people who refer to it can cite it properly.

Many thanks,
Luz.

Genetics and Plant Breeding Division

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Dear Madam Luz,
 
I will send a reprint of the bok chapter and photocopies of my other publications by post soon to COGENT for necessary action. Also please be kind to get other important publications from CIRAD too 
 
Lalith
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George, Maria Luz (Bioversity-Malaysia)

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Dear Lalith,

 

This is great!  Yes, we hope to obtain and put important articles in the site (or links to them).  We won’t have them immediately, but in the very near future as time allows.  In the meantime, I invite our community to let us know what articles they want/need or send us copies of their papers so that we can start building our collection in the website.

 

If you have access to a scanner, electronic copies of the book chapter and other publication would be much better as it won’t cost anything to send the files to us and it will reach us much faster (rather than sending the photocopies by post).

 

Best wishes,

Luz

 



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Genetics & Plant Breeding

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Aug 10, 2007, 7:54:43 AM8/10/07
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Dear Madam Luz,
Yes, I will send you scanned copies soon.
 
Lalith
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Genetics & Plant Breeding

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Dear Dr. Mathias Faure,
 
please be kind to send me your personal e-mail address ASAP.
 
Lalith Perera
Sri Lanka
 
 
Mathias
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Dr. Faure

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Dear Lalith Perera,
Good to make contact. You can find me on email: cnbre...@datec.net.pg
Cheers,
Mathias

Lalith has asked "If anybody knows the contact details of the group, please be kind to inform me or forward this e-mail to them so that I can establish contacts with them directly" and you have provided Kenneth M. Olsen < kol...@wustl.edu> and the cvs of both Kenneth Olsen (Washington University) and Bee Gunn (Missouri Botanical Garden) are available at the web sites of their respective institutions...
 

I may be wrong but I think that the CRI and CIRAD work that Lalith refers to concerns the intra-generic relationships of existing varieties while Olsen and Gunn may be more interested in the extra-generic relations of Cocos and the possibility that  the wild progenitors of the coconut were from South America.

Hugh
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On 07/08/07, Charles R. Clement <charlesr...@yahoo.com.br > wrote:

Dear Hugh and colleagues,

Does the Google Coconut group have a webpage for storage of the articles and review documents that Dr. Perera mentioned? I think we would all love to see the state-of-the-art and what Ken Olsen can add to it. I agree with Dr. Perera that reinventing the wheel is not good science, but this often requires access to some difficult to obtain documents.

Kenneth M.. Olsen <kol...@wustl.edu>

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Roland BOURDEIX

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Dear Colleagues,

 

We will publish next month, in the International Journal of Islands  Affairs, a paper untitled “Islets Save Coconuts: from an old Polynesian practice to the new concept of a crop gene bank located on smallest islands”, by Bourdeix , T. Bambridge and S. Larrue,.

In this paper there is a chapter about Macapuno Island, and the recent discovery of a new macapuno variety able to germinate. I tried a few monthes ago to discuss this point in this forum, but up to now I did not have any reply from the Macapuno specialists.

 

 So, hereunder is the text I plan to include in this paper. Could you give me your opinion about it ?

 

Kind regards,

 

Roland Bourdeix

 

Text from the paper:

 

Philippines, Thailand and Makapuno Coconuts

 

This will be our last love story between the coconut palm and a small island, but it is so nice that it would be a pitty not to tell it. There is an economically important coconut variety in the Philippines, which is called Makapuno. Instead of coconut water, the nut contains a soft, white jelly-like mass which is considered a delicacy. Makapuno is preserved in heavy sugar syrup and bottled for local consumption and export. Only in the Philippines, the domestic market needs 4 million kg of the highly-priced Makapuno meat annually. The sad fact is, less than 3% of that demand is being met. Makapuno coconuts are sold 30 pesos (0.65 USD) when normal coconut are priced 3 to 6 pesos only.

Growing Makapuno is unlike growing ordinary coconut trees. In each coconut bunch produced by such a palm, 15 to 20 % of the fruits only are Makapuno, the remaining are normal coconuts. Makapuno coconuts do not germinate because the abnormal jelly-like kernel do not support the growth and development of the embryo (Mujer et al., 1984). So the only way to reproduce a Makapuno coconut was to make germinate a normal coconut from a Makapuno palm ; and not all these germinated coconut will give Makapuno palms.

Then comes the coconut embryo culture technology. In the 1960s, Dr. Emerita de Guzman  rescued the embryo from the non-germinating Makapuno coconuts. The resulting gave palm producing up to 100% Makapuno nuts (De Guzman & del Rosario, 1974; Cedo et al., 1984). Nowadays, in various locations in the Philippines, 9 laboratories are producing embryo cultured Makapuno coconuts for sale. But the price of a Makapuno seedling coming from vitroculture is 500 pesos (10;9 USD), and only a few farmer can afford it.

The Makapuno Island was created when the Thai government constructed a dam at Kanchanaburi near the Burmese border. The hills were submerged and their peaks turned into more than 100 islands. All the coconut trees in one of the island were destroyed and 100 percent embryo-rescued Makapuno palms were planted. No stray coconut pollens can reach the island because of the water barrier. All the marketing of the island was based on the fact that its coconuts never germinate, because they are 100 percent Makapuno.

A few years back, the Makapuno Island received a complaint from one of their customers that one of their 100-percent guaranteed Makapuno fruits germinated. The owner investigated and upon opening the fruit, it turned out to be Makapuno. As the evolutionary process is continually unfolding, one individual Makapuno was somehow able to develop enzymes to digest and metabolize the endosperm, thereby effecting germination. This began a search for the mother tree that bore this very unusual and attractive germinating Makapuno fruit.

Nowadays, according to Mr. Ray Ong, from the agriculture section of the newspaper « Philippines Star, the seedlings of this new strain of « germinating Makapuno » are sold in the Chatuchak Market in Bangkok.

Makapuno island have lead to a great and unexpected improvement of the Makapuno variety. The new palms grow and germinate like normal coconut but has the soft solid endosperm of the normal Makapuno. In the framework of our research projets, we plan to create some more Makapuno islands in French Polynesia and the Maldives.

 


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Nov 8, 2007, 5:47:15 PM11/8/07
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I answered you Roland. We have makapuno bearing trees from the Laguna variety (only?)  bearing 25% makapuno

lethuy nguyen

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I heart the same and testing that information but no
reply to. In reality in Vietnam, no macapuno nut cant
germinate

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Roland BOURDEIX

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Nov 9, 2007, 3:12:31 AM11/9/07
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Dear Carlos,
 
So, it seems that nobody from the Philipinnes or Thailand have anymore information about this new trend of Makapuno ? I think it would be important to know more about it, as Makapuno is a big busyness in the Philipinnes ? I think a Makapuno specialist from the Philipinnes should visit Makapuno Island. 
 
I read somewhere that, even in the Philippines, when a whole plantation if planted only with Makapuno, there is more than 25 % Makapuno fruits in the bunches. Could you confirm this point ?
 
Kind regards,
 
Roland
 

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Hugh Harries

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Nov 10, 2007, 2:33:29 AM11/10/07
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Roland
I wasn't sure if you wanted opinions on technical, grammatical or ethical aspects of your chapter. So I will leave the technical opinions to others who work with makapuno and I will offer grammatical opinions directly to you.

That leaves ethical opinion - by which I mean should Filipino makapuno farmers be right to object to competition from a French research project or have they already lost that privilege by releasing material to a Thai company?

Perhaps now is a good time to raise a broader issue - whether competition between national coconut researchers and producers prevents them from meeting the international challenges from palm oil, soybean and GM crops?

In a follow up email I plan to suggest how a Global Coconut Research Initiative might be made to work.

Hugh
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Roland BOURDEIX

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Nov 12, 2007, 5:47:27 AM11/12/07
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Dear Hugh,
 
The opinions I wanted was mainly on the technical aspects of this chapter, especially scientific informations about this new trend of Makapuno capable to germinate. I had no reply about it, may be because of the economical impact of this new variety witch may be great in the future, and nobody want to take risk...
 
From the ethical point of view, there is varieties similar to Makapuno is many countries, including French Polynesia, so if planting them on a small  island can help to conserve them, why not ? It is not a question of competing with Filipino farmers, it is a question to sageguard germplasm.
 
From the "grammatical" point of view,   thanks for your suggestions, they are welcome as your english is much much better than mine...
 
Kind regards,
 
Roland
 


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PLDT FOA- Gerardo Santos

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Nov 12, 2007, 9:38:40 PM11/12/07
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Dear Roland,

I replied to your email but i dont know where it went. Anyway, my point is it was not impossible for a "germinating" macapuno to come out of Kanchanaburi after decades of intercrossing. Based on what i gathered from a thai friend, not all of the macapuno planted there came from pure macapuno, which means that Mm type embryos were used and not just mm type. The trait is recessive but somehow, the mm type, as you suggested may have developed the capacity to grow, as an organism would strive to survive in the face of extinction in isolation.

Gerry Santos

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Nov 13, 2007, 3:20:59 AM11/13/07
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Dear Mr. Harris
 
   On behaft of Thailand we (Mr. Somchai) would like to participate the information on this topic as follows:
    For 7 Years ago the owner of Makapuno Island in Thong pa-phumi District,Kanchanaburi province found out  the mother palm that produced Makapuno fruits germinated.He harvested Makapuno nuts and raised them in the nursery. After three months he have got 5 seedlings but two of them grew up. The other three seedling dead. He brought  two Makapuno seedlings to plant in Palm oil Island ,which far from Makapuno Island about 30 minutes by a rapid speed boat. Now they are six years old but they have not yet bared fruits. That is a history of the new strain of germinating Makapuno in Thailand.
 
The Makapuno seedlings that sell in Chatuchak market are not  germinating Makapuno.
We are happy to join information with you and our friends.
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Somchai Watanayothin
Coconut Breeder
Horticulture Research Institute
Department of Agriculture
Chatucahk,Bangkok 10900
Tel 66-29405484-5 ext 117
Fax 662-5614667
Email: watan...@hotmail.com
    

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> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:38:40 +0800
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Roland BOURDEIX

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Nov 13, 2007, 4:18:40 AM11/13/07
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Dear Somchai,

Thanks for this very useful information. This will avoid us to diffuse wrong information.

Kind regards,

Dr R. Bourdeix

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Objet : [Coconut:1379] Re: About Macapuno

Carlos B. Carpio

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Nov 13, 2007, 7:02:07 PM11/13/07
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For Roland, hope you have received my emails on these?

PLDT FOA- Gerardo Santos

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Nov 13, 2007, 9:12:23 PM11/13/07
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Dear Somchai,

You are the "Thai friend" i was referring to in my email to the group. The information you gave is very useful. Hope you can follow up on those "macapuno" until they have borne fruits so the matter of a "germinating macapuno" could be solved. It be nice to do some DNA analysis for comparison with the real ones.

Best regards,

Gerry A. Santos

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Inday Rillo

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Nov 14, 2007, 6:36:22 PM11/14/07
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Am attaching a letter to Roland for the information of the group.

Roland BOURDEIX <Roland....@cefe.cnrs.fr> wrote:

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