A strange postcard from Guadeloupe

[Roland BOURDEIX]

<<2011 carte postale guadeloupe.jpg>> Dear all,

I received this postcard from my family taking holidays in Guadeloupe.

Any comments from the specialists of coconut varieties ? I mean, I know
what it is, but can other researchers confirm it ?

Two hypothesis: this variety was introduced recently in Guadeloupe, or
(more probable), the printer took a picture from another country to sell
it in Guadeloupe...

Kind regards

Roland

[Thakshan Kumara Gamini Ranasinghe]

These are drinking coconuts called king coconuts in Sri Lanka. T K G Ranasinghe

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[Hugh Harries]

On 7 April 2011 11:41, Thakshan Kumara Gamini Ranasinghe <tkg...@gmail.com> wrote:

These are drinking coconuts called king coconuts in Sri Lanka. T K G Ranasinghe

But in West Africa they might be recognised as Cameroon Dwarf, in East Africa as kitamli or Pemba Dwarf, in Tahiti as haari papua  and in Papua New Guinea there is a spicata form in the Madang region (unless killed by the recently reported phytoplasma disease). In Indonesia it was described under the name kalapa raja almost 300 yeas ago.

Roland, since Guadeloupe is one of the 27 regions of France (being an overseas region) and an integral part of the Republic it might be possible for you to access historical agricultural information on their coconuts.

For instance, perhaps the descendants of Tamil sugar cane or pineapple farm workers in Guadeloupe introduced it. Maybe it is mentioned in published reports like Dash, J.S. (1922) Insectes et maladies. Rep. Sta. Agr. Guadeloupe 1920-21, 14-16. This might be a useful place to start searching, because the date is significant. At that time the British introduced a different dwarf (from Malaya) to Caribbean Islands like St Lucia and Trinidad and the French might have done something similar from somewhere like Pondicherry or Cochin China?
 
More recently, in the 1960s, the Guadeloupe farmers will have heard about a red dwarf being resistant to coconut lethal yellowing in Jamaica. Surely the IRHO will have made a report on the francophone Caribbean countries?  

But after all that, your hypothesis that a printer took a picture from another country is very likely. I have a postcard, sent from Los Angeles a few years ago, showing red Malayan Dwarf?

Best wishes

Hugh

[CASTILLO GONZALEZ RAMON ARTEMIO]

Camerun Red Dwarf
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De: coc...@googlegroups.com [coc...@googlegroups.com] En nombre de Roland BOURDEIX [Roland....@cefe.cnrs.fr]
Enviado el: jueves, 07 de abril de 2011 01:04 a.m.
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Asunto: [Coconut:4023] A strange postcard from Guadeloupe

Kind regards

Roland

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[Augustine B Jerard]

Dear Rolan,   It looks like Hari Papua Orange Dwarf (Rangiroa Red Dwarf)   Jerard --- On Thu, 7/4/11, Roland BOURDEIX <Roland....@cefe.cnrs.fr> wrote:

[Luigi]

So tell us what you think it is, Roland!

On Apr 7, 8:04 am, "Roland BOURDEIX" <Roland.BOURD...@cefe.cnrs.fr>
wrote:

>  2011 carte postale guadeloupe.jpg
> 1179KViewDownload

[Roland BOURDEIX]

This is a Tahiti Red Dwarf, see the pictures here:

 

http://www.inibap.org/cogent/images/publications/catalog/countries/France_79-73.pdf

 

Kind regards from Moorea island

 

Roland

 

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De: coc...@googlegroups.com de la part de Luigi
Date: ven. 08/04/2011 11:27
À: Coconut
Objet : [Coconut:4037] Re: A strange postcard from Guadeloupe

[Roland BOURDEIX]

Yes Tahiti Red Dwarf, Rangiroa Red dwarf, Haari Papua, a dwarf introduced in French Polynesia from Papua New Guinea, Jerard was perfectly right !

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De: coc...@googlegroups.com de la part de Augustine B Jerard
Date: ven. 08/04/2011 07:20
À: coc...@googlegroups.com
Objet : Re: [Coconut:4036] A strange postcard from Guadeloupe

[Roland BOURDEIX]

Dear all,

 

Hello from Moorea island early morning,

 

Definitely, this is not King coconut neither Cameroon red dwarf or Pemba dwarf, there are quite different from the haari papua... all are described at:

 

http://www.inibap.org/cogent/index.php/conserved-germplasm-catalogue

 

Kind regards

 

Roland

 

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De: coc...@googlegroups.com de la part de Hugh Harries
Date: jeu. 07/04/2011 17:14
À: coc...@googlegroups.com
Objet : Re: [Coconut:4028] A strange postcard from Guadeloupe

[Mike Foale]

Hi Roland

Moving away from the mystery dwarf of Guadeloupe, I have just unearthed among my reprints a copy of an article “Coconut Varieties” by Leslie Wishard of Kamuela, Hawaii describing a collection of exotic varieties assemble by himself in Hawaii in the 1960s and 1970s. The article was published in The Bulletin of Pacific Tropical Botanic Garden in Hawaii in 1978 Vol 8(2), pages 33-39. Twenty five acquisitions are described. The collection is located at the Kahanu Gardens at Hana, Maui, Hawaii.

Mike Foale

 

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From: coc...@googlegroups.com [mailto:coc...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roland BOURDEIX
Sent: Tuesday, 12 April 2011 3:15 PM
To: coc...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE : [Coconut:4048] A strange postcard from Guadeloupe

 

Yes Tahiti Red Dwarf, Rangiroa Red dwarf, Haari Papua, a dwarf introduced in French Polynesia from Papua New Guinea, Jerard was perfectly right !

 

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