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In a piece published in Human Events, the Republicans’ onetime
captain, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, warned his old colleagues
that they face “real disaster” on Election Day unless they move
immediately to “chart a bold course of real reform” for the country.
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Shellshocked House Republicans got warnings from leaders past and
present Tuesday: Your party’s message isn’t good enough to prevent
disaster in November, and neither is the NRCC’s money.
The double shot of bad news had one veteran Republican House member
worrying aloud that the party’s electoral woes - brought into sharp
focus by Woody Jenkins’ loss to Don Cazayoux in Louisiana on Saturday
- have the House Republican Conference splitting apart in “everybody
for himself” mode.
“There is an attitude that, ‘I better watch out for myself, because
nobody else is going to do it,’” the member said. “There are all these
different factions out there, everyone is sniping at each other, and
we have no real plan. We have a lot of people fighting to be the
captain of the lifeboat instead of everybody pulling together.”
In a piece published in Human Events, the Republicans’ onetime
captain, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, warned his old colleagues
that they face “real disaster” on Election Day unless they move
immediately to “chart a bold course of real reform” for the country.
And in a closed-door session at the Capitol, National Republican
Congressional Committee Chairman Tom Cole (R-Okla.) told members that
the NRCC doesn’t have enough cash to “save them” in November if they
don’t raise enough money or run strong campaigns themselves.
Although a top House Republican brushed aside Gingrich’s broadside as
“hype from a has-been who desperately wants to be a player but can’t
anymore,” the harsh words from Cole were harder to ignore.
“It was a pretty stern line that he took with us,” said one House
Republican.
Cole, on the defensive in the wake of special election losses in
Louisiana and Illinois, pointed his finger Tuesday at his Republican
colleagues, telling them that they had been too stingy in helping fund
party efforts. He also complained that the Republicans ran weak
candidates in both Louisiana and Illinois - a charge Cole made despite
the fact that, as NRCC chairman, he could have played a major role in
choosing the party’s candidates if he hadn’t made the decision to stay
out of GOP primaries.
In his meeting with members, Cole distributed a document showing that
even former Republican political guru Karl Rove had badmouthed
Jenkins, according to GOP sources. It’s not clear whether Cole meant
it as a criticism of Rove or of Jenkins.
But Cole’s overall message was clear, said members who sat through the
meeting: “If you’re not out doing your own work, and you’re waiting
for the NRCC to come in at the last minute and save you, it ain’t
gonna happen.” That’s how one lawmaker characterized Cole’s talk,
adding that the NRCC is “not going to have the resources” to help all
members “and Democrats will have a lot more money.”
Republicans are suffering a crisis of confidence after the two special
election losses. There’s talk that House Minority Leader John A.
Boehner and other GOP leaders could be ousted if the party suffers
double-digit losses in November.
Gingrich’s broadside did little to calm the GOP jitters.
While Gingrich softened his blow by circulating it privately to the
GOP leadership on Monday - a day before it was publicly released - his
language was still strong, and his message was seen as a broad attack
on Boehner, Cole and the rest of the Republican leadership.
“The Republican loss in the special election for Louisiana’s 6th
Congressional District last Saturday should be a sharp wake-up call
for Republicans,” Gingrich wrote. “Either congressional Republicans
are going to chart a bold course of real change or they are going to
suffer decisive losses this November.”
Gingrich said Republicans cannot rely on the popularity of Sen. John
McCain (R-Ariz.), the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, to carry
them to victory in November. And he warned that attacks on Sens.
Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and on the
Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s former pastor, could backfire.
“The Republican brand has been so badly damaged that if Republicans
try to run an anti-Obama, anti-Rev. Wright or, if Sen. Clinton wins,
anti-Clinton campaign, they are simply going to fail,” Gingrich said.
“This model has already been tested with disastrous results.”
The NRCC ran TV ads tying Cazayoux to national Democratic figures in
the Louisiana special election, only to see Democrats grab control of
a House seat that had been in the GOP column for more than three
decades.
Gingrich, who was pushed out as speaker following GOP losses in the
1998 midterm elections, advocated “an emergency, members-only” meeting
of House Republicans in order to hash out a new reform agenda before
Memorial Day. He also called for a “complete overhaul” of the NRCC.
Gingrich said that if the GOP leadership would not go along with his
plan, “then the minority who are activists should establish a parallel
organization dedicated to real change.” He offered nine policy
proposals designed to achieve that goal, including repealing federal
gas taxes, reforming the Census Bureau and declaring English as the
official language of the United States.
Boehner tried to put the best face on Gingrich’s message. His
spokesman, Michael Steel, said that Boehner “certainly agrees - and
has said repeatedly - that Republicans can only succeed this year by
being agents of change and reform.” Steel said Republicans have to
convince voters that they can “fix” Washington and that, in the coming
weeks, they will be “laying out Republican policies that embody the
sort of changes we need.”
But there is no question that Gingrich has identified a nervous
undercurrent among House Republicans that could morph into full-
fledged panic if the GOP loses a special election next Tuesday in
Mississippi. Republican Greg Davis is squaring off against Democrat
Travis Childers for the House seat held by former Rep. Roger Wicker (R-
Miss.), who was appointed to the Senate to replace retired Sen. Trent
Lott (R-Miss.).
With internal polls from both parties showing the race as a tossup,
the GOP is putting on a full-court press. The White House has
dispatched Vice President Cheney to Mississippi to campaign on Davis’
behalf. And Wicker, Lott, Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) and Mississippi
Gov. Haley Barbour will hold events for Davis this weekend and early
next week, according to GOP sources.
House Republicans will hold a rally with President Bush on Wednesday
morning, with all 199 members invited to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. to
show solidarity with the president, according to GOP sources.
By John Bresnahan
Copyright 2008 POLITICO
Bas Mati
> In a piece published in Human Events, the Republicans’ onetime
> captain, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, warned his old colleagues
> that they face “real disaster” on Election Day unless they move
> immediately to “chart a bold course of real reform” for the country.
Makes sense, you seem worried though....
Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
rats, sinking ship
monkey_...@yahoo.com
I am, because this is a two party system and one cannot seem to pull
it's collective heads out of their collective asses. Like one boss
said, when I couldn't do an aspect of the job, he said to wait in the
truck.
I would have been more of an asset if I could have done the job the
way it was supposed to be done. The politics of Republicans are only
to attack Democrats and serve big business, if that doesn't change the
Republican party will continue to fail the people. Heck these right-
wingers are to stupid to realize that the Republican party doesn't
even represent them to make that change, even when they are told that
by their power politicians.
I will accept them falling into complete irrelevance if thats what
they continue to choose to do.
Bas Mati
> rats, sinking ship
>
Far left morons heading for the rapids, buh bye....
Bas Mati
>
> Bas Mati wrote:
>> monkey_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> In a piece published in Human Events, the Republicans� onetime
>>> captain, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, warned his old colleagues
>>> that they face �real disaster� on Election Day unless they move
>>> immediately to �chart a bold course of real reform� for the country.
>> Makes sense, you seem worried though....
>
> I am, because this is a two party system and one cannot seem to pull
> it's collective heads out of their collective asses. Like one boss
> said, when I couldn't do an aspect of the job, he said to wait in the
> truck.
Wise up, the two demographics showing growth of late are independents
and republicans.
Only the Demo-leftists are losing voters.
> I would have been more of an asset if I could have done the job the
> way it was supposed to be done. The politics of Republicans are only
> to attack Democrats and serve big business, if that doesn't change the
> Republican party will continue to fail the people.
Useless bullshit.
The politics of the Demo-marxists are to promote socialism and serve the
guilt complex needs of old money rich fucks and nouveau riche guilty
conscience Hollywierdos.
> Heck these right-
> wingers are to stupid to realize that the Republican party doesn't
> even represent them to make that change, even when they are told that
> by their power politicians.
Um....the reason McCain is up there is because many R's looked more to
center.
We got sick of the RR contingent.
Deal.
> I will accept them falling into complete irrelevance if thats what
> they continue to choose to do.
I submit is is the Ds that are far more in danger of becoming extinct.
Obambam's or Billary's absurd tax policies can only submarine this
nation in the midst of an energy crisis.
Couple that with a pre-announced Iraq retreat and al Qaeda moving on
Iraq's oil fields, you just have a recipe for a global oil war.
And YOU morons will have kicked it off, you fools....
I don't think you'll have any voters for a decade or more after that
happens.
Idiots.
Sanders Kaufman
news:JVuVj.249217$i_6.1...@fe06.news.easynews.com...
> Wise up, the two demographics showing growth of late are independents and
> republicans.
A third demo is the Dems.
This election cycle - across the board - people are getting more involved.
Bas Mati
> "Bas Mati" <wi...@rice.cook> wrote in message
> news:JVuVj.249217$i_6.1...@fe06.news.easynews.com...
>
>> Wise up, the two demographics showing growth of late are independents
>> and republicans.
>
> A third demo is the Dems.
Nope, their registered voter numbers have steadily declined.
Stop lying.
znuybv
> Bas Mati wrote:
After 40 years of being a Democrat and voting for the Party I
switched. The Democrat went too far to the left for me. I don't
think I was alone.
"You can't win a the election with only egg-heads and African -
Americans."-Paul "the forehead" Begala.
znuybv
> "Bas Mati" <w...@rice.cook> wrote in message
The pundits tell us that before every election. The last time it was
called "Rock the Vote." There were numerous rock concerts where
thousands of fans cheered and yelled. When it came time to vote; they
forgot.
This time it will be different. Yeah, sure.
znuybv
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> >news:JVuVj.249217$i_6.1...@fe06.news.easynews.com...
>
> >> Wise up, the two demographics showing growth of late are independents
> >> and republicans.
>
> > A third demo is the Dems.
>
> Nope, their registered voter numbers have steadily declined.
>
> Stop lying.
Nobody is swooning at the rallies anymore. That's a bad sign.
Bas Mati
Precisely.
Sanders Kaufman
news:0040b3fd-0d87-4099...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting more
>> involved.
>
> The pundits tell us that before every election.
Bullshit. During most election cycles, you're lucky to see 50% turnout.
In this one, we're getting more than that in just the primaries.
Nothing gets folks to the polls faster than to send their kids off to die
for Christ and oil.
Kevin Cunningham
> monkey_cart...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Bas Mati wrote:
This fool hasn't gotten the point yet, the repugs have lost special
election after special election. They have less than a quarter of the
money dems have spent. McCain is going to have to take federal
funding because the repugs won't support him.
Bye bye, repugs.
Bill Shatzer
> Bye bye, repugs.
And good riddance, one might add.
Peace and justice,
Ockham's Razor
Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> > Bye bye, repugs.
>
> And good riddance, one might add.
I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewy v Truman.
--
With or without religion, you would have good people doing
good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good
people to do evil things, that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg
Bill Shatzer
> In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>>Bye bye, repugs.
>>And good riddance, one might add.
> I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewy v Truman.
John McCain is no Harry Truman.
He's not even Harold Stassen.
Peace and justice,
znuybv
> "znuybv" <tjwil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0040b3fd-0d87-4099...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> >> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting more
> >> involved.
>
> > The pundits tell us that before every election.
>
> Bullshit. During most election cycles, you're lucky to see 50% turnout.
> In this one, we're getting more than that in just the primaries.
> Nothing gets folks to the polls faster than to send their kids off to die
> for Christ and oil.
>
going to be a record turn out. Just like last year.
It's obvious that you weren't around in 1972.
znuybv
> > Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> >>>Bye bye, repugs.
> >>And good riddance, one might add.
> > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewy v Truman.
>
> John McCain is no Harry Truman.
>
> He's not even Harold Stassen.
>
And Obama's no empty suit...oh wait a sec...
Bas Mati
> Peace and justice,
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bas Mati
> And good riddance, one might add.
Bas Mati
> Ockham's Razor wrote:
>
>> In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
>> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>
>>>> Bye bye, repugs.
>
>>> And good riddance, one might add.
>
>> I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewy v Truman.
>
> John McCain is no Harry Truman.
And you're no William Jennings Bryan...
Ockham's Razor
Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Ockham's Razor wrote:
>
> > In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
> > Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>
> >>>Bye bye, repugs.
>
> >>And good riddance, one might add.
>
> > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewey v Truman.
>
> John McCain is no Harry Truman.
>
> He's not even Harold Stassen.
Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
Baxter
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"Ockham's Razor" <Men...@pdx.net> wrote in message
news:Mencken-54DCB4...@news.dsl...
> In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>
>> > Bye bye, repugs.
>>
>> And good riddance, one might add.
>
>
> I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewy v Truman.
>
Dewy was a Republican.
Bas Mati
> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brV...@comcast.com>,
> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Ockham's Razor wrote:
>>
>>> In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
>>> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>>>> Bye bye, repugs.
>>>> And good riddance, one might add.
>>> I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewey v Truman.
>> John McCain is no Harry Truman.
>>
>> He's not even Harold Stassen.
>
> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
>
Bas Mati
I think a little Taft/Bryan is on tap, historically right on cue as well...
http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_4993952
The delegates and the city were in a frenzy over the convention, but
there was little drama in the selection of the party's nominee. William
Jennings Bryan, known as "The Peerless One" and "The Great Commoner,"
had been defeated for the presidency in 1896 and 1900 but was the
overwhelming favorite of the Democrats a third time.
http://origin.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_9199216
The 2008 Democratic National Convention choices remain hotly contested,
but a century ago William Jennings Bryan — the great champion of Western
mining and agricultural interests — had clinched the nomination early.
He and the 1908 Democrats broke new ground when they chose a Western
city — Denver — in hopes of securing the Western vote.
Bryan heard part of the celebration via telephone from his home in
Lincoln, Neb. He sent back spirited messages bashing his opponent,
William Howard Taft, and the Republicans as "the party of privilege and
private monopoly."
Taft, who weighed close to 300 pounds, provided a large target for such
attacks on "fat cats." Coloradans furthered the caricature by claiming
that Taft had gotten stuck in a bathtub at the Brown Palace Hotel. "Taft
aft," the Democrats joked, "was a formidable sight."
Bryan, a handsome man and world- class orator, vowed to crush "predatory
wealth preying upon a defenseless public." He championed a progressive
Democratic platform calling for an eight-hour workday, respect for labor
unions and direct election of U.S. senators (who were then selected by
state legislatures). The 1908 platform, which may be echoed in 2008,
denounced U.S. imperialism and the war in the Philippines as well as the
enormous federal deficit.
Bryan, making his third run for the presidency, carried Colorado and
most Western states but lost the large Eastern states and the election.
BobR
> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brVnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@comcast.com>,> > > In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brVnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@comcast.com>,
> > > Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>
> > >>>Bye bye, repugs.
>
> > >>And good riddance, one might add.
>
> > > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewey v Truman.
>
> > John McCain is no Harry Truman.
>
> > He's not even Harold Stassen.
>
> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
>
> --
> With or without religion, you would have good people doing
> good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good
> people to do evil things, that takes religion.
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
When you consider the choices the Dumbcrats have offered up as
candidates, what the hell do you expect?
Lobby Dosser
> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brV...@comcast.com>,
> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Ockham's Razor wrote:
>>
>> > In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
>> > Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>
>> >>>Bye bye, repugs.
>>
>> >>And good riddance, one might add.
>>
>> > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewey v Truman.
>>
>> John McCain is no Harry Truman.
>>
>> He's not even Harold Stassen.
>
> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
>
How refreshing, ockmed came to his senses for a minute.
Bas Mati
He's a gas man, that was a self-administered wake up call..
monkey_...@yahoo.com
I could move to Republican.
You know what I think the real problem is, government and politicans
catering to business and special interests. Like this, I saw Bill
Clinton today on TV, a woman said Hillary sold out to the healthcare
industry and Bill got all combative saying how much paperwork was
generated proving that she was all for her healthcare ambitions.
People applauded his words. But in reality she took money from
healthcare lobbyists and dropped her so-called HillaryCare plans for
no other reason but the lobbyists.
My point is politicians are governed not by the people but by
lobbyists and big business. Doesn't matter if it's far left or far
right, or even in the middle.
I've never actually voted before, I registered as an independent last
year. People say if you don't vote then you have no business talking
politics or having an opinion in politics but to that I say BS. The
truth is I have rarely seen a politician that actually represents the
people that would have compelled me to vote. I have my views both left
and right but the only true politician I have seen that was truly
dynamic is John Hickenlooper. He is very liberal, actually extremely
liberal, but he runs government in a pretty much awesome way. He was
shown on fox news tonight as a superdelegate. He is very popular by
both the left and the right.
My point is any party can represent the people and be liked by both
parties, but rarely do politicians truly represent the peoples
interests. I cannot call myself a Republican or a Democrat until one
party establishes a will to work for the people.
monkey_...@yahoo.com
I don't know, last elections we got A Democrat governor. A lot of new
Democrat positions across the country.
I think the Republicans need to make some drastic changes to be
recognized. As of now Democrats don't do
a whole lot but I think Republicans do a whole lot less for the
people.
monkey_...@yahoo.com
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> "znuybv" <tjwi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:0040b3fd-0d87-4099...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>
> >> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting more
> >> involved.
> >
> > The pundits tell us that before every election.
>
> Bullshit. During most election cycles, you're lucky to see 50% turnout.
> In this one, we're getting more than that in just the primaries.
> Nothing gets folks to the polls faster than to send their kids off to die
> for Christ and oil.
>
Yes, the war is the main issue. Most aren't satisfied with the so-
called progress and reality is, most of the country is completely
against it. Republicans stand for the war and Democrats are against
it. It's a no brainer of what's going to happen in the upcoming
elections. People are going to make sure they have some control and
get out and vote.
monkey_...@yahoo.com
The only thing I have seen him offer, speech after speech, is that he
will be the war speech president guy. Nothing more.
monkey_...@yahoo.com
Empty suit is a slogan. Like stay the course. Or Democrats hate the
troops.
Bas Mati
As if human nature is all of a sudden a problem...
Bas Mati
>
> znuybv wrote:
>> On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>>> "Bas Mati" <w...@rice.cook> wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:JVuVj.249217$i_6.1...@fe06.news.easynews.com...
>>>
>>>> Wise up, the two demographics showing growth of late are independents and
>>>> republicans.
>>> A third demo is the Dems.
>>> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting more involved.
>> The pundits tell us that before every election. The last time it was
>> called "Rock the Vote." There were numerous rock concerts where
>> thousands of fans cheered and yelled. When it came time to vote; they
>> forgot.
>> This time it will be different. Yeah, sure.
>
> I don't know, last elections we got A Democrat governor. A lot of new
> Democrat positions across the country.
>
> I think the Republicans need to make some drastic changes to be
> recognized.
They have, fool.
Bas Mati
>
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>> "znuybv" <tjwi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:0040b3fd-0d87-4099...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>>>> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting more
>>>> involved.
>>> The pundits tell us that before every election.
>> Bullshit. During most election cycles, you're lucky to see 50% turnout.
>> In this one, we're getting more than that in just the primaries.
>> Nothing gets folks to the polls faster than to send their kids off to die
>> for Christ and oil.
>>
>
> Yes, the war is the main issue. Most aren't satisfied with the so-
> called progress and reality is, most of the country is completely
> against it. Republicans stand for the war and Democrats are against
> it.
Pre-announce a retreat, like the Ds have, and watch al Qaeda take Iraq's
oil off the market - that launches a global oil war.
Fool.
Bas Mati
But you don't pay very close attention, you ignorant monkey-fuck!
Bas Mati
You're a pile of shit, DIE!
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monkey_...@yahoo.com
Shit, you mindless fucks trash any Democrat that is the frontrunner.
You could have run the war turd Bush as a Democrat in all it's right-
wing glory and you fucks would have trashed him. You people vote
against Democrats,
you don't for 'for' anything.
Also why didn't you (don't you) politically worthless fucks put forth
somebody we could have voted for? Why is it always the Democrat who
have to fix things that your stupid party trashes? Why do you people
blame Democrats for what your people cannot accomplish?
monkey_...@yahoo.com
Ockham's Razor wrote:
> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brV...@comcast.com>,
> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Ockham's Razor wrote:
> >
> > > In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
> > > Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> >
> > >>>Bye bye, repugs.
> >
> > >>And good riddance, one might add.
> >
> > > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewey v Truman.
> >
> > John McCain is no Harry Truman.
> >
> > He's not even Harold Stassen.
>
> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
>
> --
They should have tattoos, I'm to stupid to know who best represents my
interests, around a tatood broken pink
swastica.
But on that note people would vote for Bush again.
Bas Mati
>
> BobR wrote:
>> On May 11, 7:41�pm, Ockham's Razor <Menc...@pdx.net> wrote:
>>> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brVnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@comcast.com>,
>>> �Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ockham's Razor wrote:
>>>>> In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brVnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@comcast.com>,
>>>>> �Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>>>>>> Bye bye, repugs.
>>>>>> And good riddance, one might add.
>>>>> I wouldn't get too carried away. �Remember Dewey v Truman.
>>>> John McCain is no Harry Truman.
>>>> He's not even Harold Stassen.
>>> Hopefully. �Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
>>>
>>> --
>>> With or without religion, you would have good people doing
>>> good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good
>>> people to do evil things, that takes religion. �
>>>
>>> � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �Steven Weinberg- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> When you consider the choices the Dumbcrats have offered up as
>> candidates, what the hell do you expect?
>
> Shit, you mindless fucks trash any Democrat that is the frontrunner.
Because they ARE all trash....
You useless monkey FUCK!
Bas Mati
Lobby Dosser
Empty Suit is a description and it is applied regardless of political
affiliation. Alexander Haig, for example, was an empty suit. Bob Packwood
was an empty suit. Obama is an empty suit.
Lobby Dosser
>
>
> Ockham's Razor wrote:
>> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brV...@comcast.com>,
>> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Ockham's Razor wrote:
>> >
>> > > In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
>> > > Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>> >
>> > >>>Bye bye, repugs.
>> >
>> > >>And good riddance, one might add.
>> >
>> > > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewey v Truman.
>> >
>> > John McCain is no Harry Truman.
>> >
>> > He's not even Harold Stassen.
>>
>> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush
>> twice.
>>
>> --
> They should have tattoos, I'm to stupid to know who best represents my
> interests, around a tatood broken pink
> swastica.
Always nice to come across someone who recognizes their own limitations!!
PROPS!!
Lobby Dosser
Like you did in 2006.
And, if you elect a Democrat, the war will continue like nothing
happened. Boy, you folks are STUPID!
Kevin Cunningham
Look, bunkie, we could put up a junkie with a needle stuck to his
forehead and we'd still win. You repugs have slaughtered thousands of
our citizens, ruined our economy and destroyed the housing market and
you expect to win??? Repugs claim to be the party of morality but you
have a homo, a whore monger and a polygamist still in congress. Then
there's Abramoff and the gang....
We have 4 (thats four) times the money that you have raised. Most
repugs wouldn't cross the street to spit on McCain, the best you could
come up with.
Oh, and you've lost special election after special election. Your
doomed.
Kevin Cunningham
What a coward! You are the person to throw the bums out, not the
person to pat the bums on the back.
By failing to vote you have failed to be a citizen of a democracy.
You should be ashamed of your self. You have let the gutless (like
you), the self interested (like you) and the corrupt (like you want to
be) win. You claim that it is the parties (????) duty to nominate
interesting people but the parties are made up of people like you,
except they work for this democracy and you have crapped all over it.
You should be in a party, you should have the courage to stand up and
be counted.
But you don't, your a gutless, whining coward.
Kevin Cunningham
Geez, "fool"??? you are a complete moron if you think that al-Qaida is
the main fighting force in the Iraq civil war.
Look, bunkie, al-Qaida is a minor pimple on the whole civil war. Your
Great Leader Bush allowed every group, every block in Iraq to be armed
and ready to fight. There are hundreds of militias from the Sadar
Militias to the seven militias that run Basra. And you don't know any
one of them. You think that there is only one group opposed to our
take over in Iraq.
There are tens of millions of people in Iraq that want us out.
BobR
>
> - Show quoted text -
You are the perfect example of why the Democrats can never find a
candidate worth voting for.
BobR
>
> - Show quoted text -
Based on what the Dumbcraps have put forward as their best, we are
doomed either way. Hell, this year I can't even see voting for the
best of the worst. You dumbcraps should be thrilled, no matter who is
elected this time you will get a stupid liberal out of the deal.
Don Homuth
>Pre-announce a retreat, like the Ds have, and watch al Qaeda take Iraq's
>oil off the market - that launches a global oil war.
And you just can't hardly wait.
Clue: al Qaeda isn't big enough to control Iraq's oil. Nor will the
Iraqis allow it to do so.
Kevin Cunningham
So why did you conservatives fail? Were you just not keeping your eye
on the ball? Or was your failure rooted in your policy? You invaded
two countries with no idea of how to get out. You slaughtered 4,000 +
of our soldiers for no reason at all. You refused to upgrade pay for
our soldiers.
Four thousand plus dead for nothing. Thats why your going to loose
for the next 20 years.
znuybv
> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brVnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@comcast.com>,
> Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ockham's Razor wrote:
>
> > > In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brVnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@comcast.com>,
> > > Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>
> > >>>Bye bye, repugs.
>
> > >>And good riddance, one might add.
>
> > > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewey v Truman.
>
> > John McCain is no Harry Truman.
>
> > He's not even Harold Stassen.
>
> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
>
> --
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> And, if you elect a Democrat, the war will continue like nothing
> happened.
Clearly not. The war won't end on January 21, 2009 but rather clearly
it will not "continue like nothing happened".
To acheive that result, it will be necessary to elect Hundred Years War
McCain.
> Boy, you folks are STUPID!
Heh!
Peace and justice,
Bill Shatzer
-snip-
> Look, bunkie, we could put up a junkie with a needle stuck to his
> forehead and we'd still win. You repugs have slaughtered thousands of
> our citizens, ruined our economy and destroyed the housing market and
> you expect to win??? Repugs claim to be the party of morality but you
> have a homo, a whore monger and a polygamist still in congress. Then
> there's Abramoff and the gang....
> We have 4 (thats four) times the money that you have raised. Most
> repugs wouldn't cross the street to spit on McCain, the best you could
> come up with.
> Oh, and you've lost special election after special election. Your
> doomed.
Watch closely the special run-off election in Mississippi's 1st
congressional district tomorrow.
The democratic candidate came within 410 votes of capturing an absolute
majority and avoiding the run-off entirely in the April special election.
And this in a district which the dubya carried by a 19-point margin in 2004!
Whether Childers prevails or Wicker manages to be re-elected by a narrow
margin, clearly a new wind is blowing.
And my money is on Childers.
Peace and justice,
Curt
> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brVnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@comcast.com>,
>
> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
A lot of mindless idiots voted for bush The Lesser, it's true -- but
it's inaccurate to say he was elected twice. He was appointed in 2000,
and in 2004 the best he can say is no one knows for sure that he
lost.
Curt
Bas Mati
Well said.
Bas Mati
The economy however, into the crapper...
Bas Mati
" A man's got to know his limitations..."
Bas Mati
> On May 12, 1:54 am, Bas Mati <w...@rice.cook> wrote:
>> monkey_cart...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>> Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>>>> "znuybv" <tjwil...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:0040b3fd-0d87-4099...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>>>>>> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting more
>>>>>> involved.
>>>>> The pundits tell us that before every election.
>>>> Bullshit. During most election cycles, you're lucky to see 50% turnout.
>>>> In this one, we're getting more than that in just the primaries.
>>>> Nothing gets folks to the polls faster than to send their kids off to die
>>>> for Christ and oil.
>>> Yes, the war is the main issue. Most aren't satisfied with the so-
>>> called progress and reality is, most of the country is completely
>>> against it. Republicans stand for the war and Democrats are against
>>> it.
>> Pre-announce a retreat, like the Ds have, and watch al Qaeda take Iraq's
>> oil off the market - that launches a global oil war.
>>
>> Fool.
>
> Geez, "fool"??? you are a complete moron if you think that al-Qaida is
> the main fighting force in the Iraq civil war.
Their civil war is NOT the key issue!
Read up:
http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2369910
Saudi Oil Facilities: Al-Qaeda's Next Target?
By John C. K. Daly
At a time of record-high oil prices, analysts are beginning to consider
the implications of possible terrorist attacks on Middle Eastern oil
facilities. The crown jewel of these facilities is Saudi Arabia's oil
production infrastructure. It is worth noting that Saudi Arabia
possesses 261.9 billion barrels of proven oil reserves.
On January 19, al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden broke a 14-month-long
silence to warn that his organization is preparing further attacks
against Western targets. Bin Laden said, "The war against America and
its allies will not be confined to Iraq?As for similar operations taking
place in America, it's only a matter of time. They are in the planning
stages, and you will see them in the heart of your land as soon as the
planning is complete" (al-Jazeera, January 19).
Saudi Arabia and its oil have long been in bin Laden's thoughts; in
1996, he said, "The ordinary Saudi knows that his country is the largest
oil producer in the world, yet at the same time he is suffering from
taxes and bad services?Our country has become a colony of America?Saudis
know their real enemy is America" (UPI Intelligence Watch, March 21, 2005).
Neighboring Iraq demonstrates the crippling effects of an insurgency on
oil installations. Since June 2003, there have been 298 recorded attacks
against Iraqi oil facilities (Institute for the Analysis of Global
Security, http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm). As of December
2005, Iraqi production was averaging around 1.9 million barrels per day
as compared with its January 2003 2.58 million barrels per day
production rate (U.S. Energy Information Administration, December 2005).
Moreover, the costs of infrastructure attacks are becoming staggering,
with the Iraqi oil ministry announcing on February 19 that insurgent
attacks had cost the oil industry $6.25 billion in lost revenue during
2005.
Aside from Saudi crude oil production capacity being the world's
largest, at 10.5-11 million barrels per day, Saudi Arabia, along with
the United Arab Emirates, controls the world's only significant excess
production capacity, an extra 2.5-3 million barrels per day. This makes
the kingdom the world's only guarantor of liquidity in the oil market.
The Saudi economy is heavily dependent on energy, with oil export
revenues bringing in around 90-95 percent of total Saudi export
earnings, and generating around 40 percent of the country's gross
domestic product.
The country's hydrocarbon infrastructure, with its massive production
fields, ports and 10,000 miles of pipelines, presents a number of
opportunities for potential attackers, whose success would have
implications far beyond the kingdom, driving the world into recession or
depression as energy costs soar.
Over half of Saudi Arabia's oil reserves are contained in just eight
massive fields, including the huge 130-mile long, 20-mile wide Ghawar
field, covering 2,600 square miles. Ghawar alone accounts for nearly
half of Saudi Arabia's total oil production capacity. Aramco's skein of
pipelines depends on 30 pumping stations, powered by six generators,
which would shut down the flow if destroyed. Port facilities are
concentrated on a 20-mile stretch of Persian Gulf shoreline from Juaymah
to al-Khobar.
Saudi Arabia's offshore Safaniya oilfield is the largest of its kind in
the world, with estimated reserves of 35 billion barrels. Continuing the
trend toward gigantism, the Abqaiq refinery 25 miles inland from the
Gulf of Bahrain processes about two-thirds of Saudi Arabia's crude oil.
On the Persian Gulf, Saudi Arabia's Ras Tanura facility is the world's
largest offshore oil loading facility, accounting for a tenth of the
world's daily oil supply. A second loading facility is at Ras
al-Juaymah, while Yanbu terminal is located on the Red Sea, supplied
from Abqaiq via the 750-mile East-West pipeline.
Terrorist attacks could be easily launched against onshore facilities
and tankers. Over 60 percent of the world's oil is shipped on 3,500
tankers through a small number of "chokepoints" including the Strait of
Hormuz, which alone transits 13 million barrels of oil per day.
Al-Qaeda has already carried out maritime attacks on both warships and
tankers. On October 6, 2002, the 299,364 DWT-ton French Very Large Crude
Carrier (VLCC) tanker Limburg, carrying a cargo of 397,000 barrels of
crude from Iran to Malaysia, was rammed by an explosives-laden boat off
the port of Ash Shihr at Mukalla, 353 miles east of Aden. A crewman was
killed and the double-hulled tanker was breached. The impact on the
Yemeni economy was immediate, as maritime insurers tripled their rates.
Al-Qaeda issued a statement following the attack warning that it "was
not an incidental strike at a passing tanker but...on the international
oil-carrying line in the full sense of the word," prompting the U.S.
Navy's Maritime Liaison Office in Bahrain to issue a warning stating
that "Shipmasters should exercise extreme caution when
transiting...strategic chokepoints such as the Strait of Hormuz, or Bab
el-Mandeb, or...traditional high-threat areas such as along the Horn of
Africa."
Al-Qaeda's cadre of maritime specialists recently received a boost when
on February 3, 23 prisoners escaped from a jail in Sanaa. Five days
later, Interpol issued a global security alert, a Red Notice, to its 184
member states, as law enforcement officials believe that at least 13 of
the fugitives have links to al-Qaeda. Among those who broke out of the
prison was Jamal al-Badawi, who was serving a 10-year sentence for his
part in the October 12, 2000 bombing of the destroyer USS Cole in Aden
harbor during a refueling stop; 17 sailors died and 39 more were injured
in the attack.
The most worrisome scenario revolves around al-Qaeda crashing a hijacked
commercial passenger jet into an oil installation. To consider just one
scenario, a jetliner crashing into the Ras Tanura facility could remove
10 percent of the world's energy imports in one shot.
Former CIA agent Robert Baer has considered the implications of
terrorist attacks on Saudi oil facilities, writing, "At the least, a
moderate-to-severe attack on Abqaiq would slow average production there
from 6.8 million barrels a day to roughly a million barrels for the
first two months post-attack, a loss equivalent to approximately
one-third of America's current daily consumption of crude oil. Even as
long as seven months after an attack, Abqaiq output would still be about
40 percent of pre-attack output, as much as four million barrels below
normal?roughly equal to what all of the OPEC partners collectively took
out of production during the devastating 1973 embargo" (see Robert
Baer's Sleeping with the Devil: How Washington Sold our Soul for Saudi
Crude). An al-Qaeda assault on Abqaiq would have the added propaganda
effect of killing Americans. Abqaiq is an oil-company town; in 2005,
nearly half of its approximately 2,000 inhabitants were U.S. citizens.
In the last few years, the Saudis have moved to tighten security around
their oil installations. Unlike in Iraq, where insurgent attacks are
focused mainly on the country's hydrocarbon infrastructure, thus far
al-Qaeda attacks in Saudi Arabia have focused on "soft targets," namely
the 3,000 foreign oil workers employed in the kingdom.
On December 16, 2004, bin Laden released an audiotape making an explicit
connection between U.S. forces in Iraq and the region's oil reserves; in
the audiotape, he praised the terrorists who attacked the U.S. Consulate
in Jeddah. Bin Laden said, "Targeting America in Iraq in terms of
economy and losses in life is a golden and unique opportunity. Do not
waste it only to regret it later. One of the most important reasons that
led our enemies to control our land is the theft of our oil. Do
everything you can to stop the biggest plundering operation in
history?the plundering of the resources of the present and future
generations in collusion with the agents and the aliens...Be active and
prevent them from reaching the oil, and mount your operations
accordingly, particularly in Iraq and the Gulf, for this is their fate"
(BBC, December 16, 2004). Three days later, the "al-Qaeda Organization
in the Arabian Peninsula" posted a message on its website urging its
members "to strike all foreign targets and the hideouts of the tyrants
to rid the peninsula of the infidels and their supporters. We call on
all the mujahideen to target the sources of oil which do not serve the
Islamic nation but serve the enemies of the nation" (Agence France
Press, December 19, 2004).
Judging by al-Qaeda's pronouncements, an attack on Saudi Arabian oil
facilities seems to be only a matter of time. In terms of the global
impact of such a strike, Robert Baer provides an extreme but not
altogether improbable scenario: "Such an attack would be more
economically damaging than a dirty nuclear bomb set off in midtown
Manhattan or across from the White House in Lafayette Square?[and] would
be enough to bring the world's oil-addicted economies to their knees,
America's along with them."
> Look, bunkie, al-Qaida is a minor pimple on the whole civil war. Your
> Great Leader Bush
Listen up shitwit! He is OUR leader, that is if you're really an
American living in Georgia...are you?
> allowed every group, every block in Iraq to be armed
> and ready to fight. There are hundreds of militias from the Sadar
> Militias to the seven militias that run Basra. And you don't know any
> one of them. You think that there is only one group opposed to our
> take over in Iraq.
We aren't taking a damned thing over sport, we're trying to stabilize
and train their forces and then get the fuck home.
> There are tens of millions of people in Iraq that want us out.
Fuck 'em - the sooner they start acting like adults the sooner we can
leave, and ALL of us want that!
BTW, there have been over 500 attacks on Iraqi oil facilities since
2003, IF we create a vacuum and that oil is taken off the market there
WILL be a global oil war - count on it!
Now what say you?
Bas Mati
> Peace and justice,
>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
economic injury incurred from that event.
It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
another 9-11 every six or seven years.
Peace and justice,"
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bas Mati
> On Mon, 12 May 2008 05:54:57 GMT, Bas Mati <wi...@rice.cook> wrote:
>
>> Pre-announce a retreat, like the Ds have, and watch al Qaeda take Iraq's
>> oil off the market - that launches a global oil war.
>
> And you just can't hardly wait.
LIAR!
> Clue: al Qaeda isn't big enough to control Iraq's oil.
WRONG!
All they need to do is shut it down, not "control it".
> Nor will the Iraqis allow it to do so.
Let's just see:
http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm
Iraq Pipeline Watch
Attacks on Iraqi pipelines, oil installations, and oil personnel:
...2007
387. January 10 - Up to 50 Iraqi militants armed with RPG-7 as well as
light and medium weapons ambushed a large force of the Oil Protection
Force, whom were transporting security equipment. Sources indicated that
more than 20 of the Oil Protection Force personnel were killed and more
than 20 injured.
388. January 11 - An oil pipeline of the Northern Oil Company was
sabotaged and breached near Kirkuk and the oil spill set ablaze.
389. January 21 - Insurgents assaulted guards protecting an oil
facility, seized their weapons and vehicles and set an oil well on fire
in the town of Dibs.
390. January 22 - An oil technician - an employee of the Northern Oil
Company Ltd - was shot to death in the northern city of Mosul.
391. January 23 - A roadside IED detonated near a minibus carrying
workers of the Northern Oil Company Ltd while travelling to the
oil-refinery city of Baiji, 112 miles north of Baghdad. There were no
casualties.
392.February 11 - Gunmen killed Lieutenant Colonel Jamal Mohammad, the
chief of serious crimes office of the Oil Protection Force at Bayji and
wounded two of his guards. Reports claimed that two of the attackers
were also killed.
393. February 12 - Insurgents placed two IEDs on a well of the Northern
Oil Company near Kirkut. The explosions destroyed the well and set the
oil ablaze.
394. February 13 - Insurgents attacked and destroyed a road tanker with
of the National Guard on the highway near Al Buwarah. The driver was
killed and a passenger wounded.
395. February 19 - Iraqi insurgents deployed a suicide bomber in a road
tanker north of Baghdad.
396. February 20 - Six people were killed and 105 injured after a
suicide IED detonated his device in a fuel tanker in the town of At
Taji, north of Baghdad.
397. February 23 - A VBIED incorporated into a road fuel tanker exploded
in a market in the town of Buhayrat al Habbaniyah in the province of
Anba. The explosion killed 40 people and injured 64.
398. February 25 - Two labourers of an oil company were killed and one
wounded by a roadside bomb in Kirkuk.
399. February 27 - A convoy of four road tankers carrying oil products
was stopped shortly after it left the Bayji refinery by Iraqi militants.
The militants shot and killed the drivers and burned the vehicles and
the cargo.
400. March 25 - Insurgents killed Ali Amin, director of a gas company,
near his house in a drive-by shooting in Mosul.
401. March 26 - A roadside IED destroyed a fuel tanker killing the
vehicle crew.
402. March 26 - Insurgents detonated an IED beneath an oil pipeline near
Bayji. The attack started an oil fire that burned for several hours
before it could be extinguished.
403. April 1 - Insurgents attacked a road tanker contracted to carry
fuel to the US military. The incident occurred near a fertilizer factory
in the middle of the Muhafazat Salah ad Din province. The vehicle was
destroyed in the ensuing fire and both the driver and guard was injured.
404. April 4 - Fuel outlet guard shot dead, Insurgents attacked a petrol
station in al Kut, 100 miles southeast of Baghdad, killing one guard and
wounding another.
405. April 5 - Insurgents ruptured an oil pipeline with an IED near the
border with Kuwait, cutting off supplies from surrounding fields to
storage tanks in Basra. The attack occurred just north of Safwan on a
pipeline operated by the South Oil Company. The explosion started a
major fire which took several hours to extinguish.
406. April 5 - A road tanker supplying coalition forces with fuel was
attacked near al-Rayashia in Bayji city with a roadside IED which
destroyed the tanker and killed the driver and escort.
407. April 6 - Insurgents detonated an IED under an oil pipeline in
southern Kirkut which carries oil from Kirkuk to the Baiji refineries,
starting a major fire. The incident occurred near the main road linking
Kirkuk to the district of al-Huweija.
408. April 9 - An oil protection guard was killed in a IED attack north
of Basra. Two Iraqi soldiers were also killed in the same attack.
409. April 10 - Militants wounded seven employees working in the North
Oil Company when they attacked their vehicle.
410. April 14 - A convoy of road tankers from Iran was ambushed and the
drivers, five Iranians and one Iraqi, were abducted near the town of
Qada' Khanaqin. The following day an Iraqi National Guard patrol found
the bodies of the drivers.
411. April 14 - A road tanker supplying fuel to coalition forces near
Hadithah was destroyed by a roadside IED. The driver and escort were killed.
412. April 15 - A roadside IED destroyed a fuel tanker supplying fuel to
the coalition forces. The incident occurred on the highway near the
Japanese bridge in the al-Saklaweya region. The driver and escort was
killed in the attack.
413. April 15 - A vehicle of the Oil Ministry was attacked by insurgents
in al-Tamah quarter but the passengers escaped.
414. April 15 - Insurgents attacked an Iraqi military base in Mosul with
VBIEDs constructed from hijacked fuel tankers. Six Iraqi soldiers were
killed in the attack.
415. April 17 - One person was killed and four others were wounded when
a suicide bomber detonated his IED that was incorporated into a fuel
tanker near an Iraqi army base in the city of Mosul.
416. April 19 - An insurgent suicide VBIED bomber rammed his car into a
fuel tanker, killing 10 people and wounding 21 in the southern Jadidah
district of Baghdad.
417. April 24 - A suicide VBIED, constructed from a hi-jacked fuel
tanker, was detonated on the outskirts of ar-Ramadi City killing six
people and wounding another 25.
418. April 29 - An oil pipeline was ruptured near al-Musayyib, about 30
miles south of Baghdad, sending up a large plume of black smoke. The
pipeline carries oil from Daura refinery in Baghdad to al- Musayyib
power station.
419. April 29 - Insurgents abducted in Bayji the commander of the
Facilities Protection Service (FPS) of the Bayji refinery and his driver.
420. April 29 - A large group of insurgents travelling in about 30
vehicles attacked a convoy of 16 fuel tankers and kidnapped the drivers
and escorts on a main road near the city of Samarra. The vehicles and
their loads were were set alight and destroyed.
421. April 30 - A stolen fuel tanker laden with explosives and chlorine
gas was detonated by a suicide bomber near a restaurant west of
ar-Ramadi, killing six people and wounding 10 more.
422. May 2 - Suspected Sunni insurgents hijacked four fuel tanker near
al-Fallujah, 40 miles west of Baghdad. The insurgents killed the four
drivers and took the tankers wither cargo intact.
423. May 4 - Armed insurgents attacked a convoy of 51 fuel tankers and
set them on fire on the highway between Bayji and Samarra. The tankers
were loaded with oil products from the country?s main refinery complex
in Bayji and were reported to be on their way to Ramadi west of Baghdad.
The two cities are on the route between the refineries and the Turkish
borders. The fate of the divers is currently not known.
424. May 4 - A roadside IED detonated as a road tanker was passing,
wounding the driver and setting the vehicle on fire in Mosul. The
vehicle and its load were destroyed.
425. May 7 - Four Iraqi insurgents were arrested after Iraqi troops
found a large IED planted under an oil pipeline in northern Iraq that
carries crude oil to Turkey. About 350 kilograms of TNT were discovered
under a stretch of the pipeline in the al-Kasak area, some 80 kilometres
west of Mosul. The explosives were removed and safely destroyed.
426. May 12 - A suicide VBIED, constructed from a road tanker, detonated
at a police checkpoint on a bridges in a Shi'ite area south of Baghdad,
killing 22 people and wounding 60.
427. May 14 - Insurgents abducted nine people from a mini-bus on their
way to work at the Bayji oil refinery.
428. May 17 - Three fuel tanker drivers were killed after they were
attacked on a road between Mosul and Kirkuk.
429. May 18 - An engineer of the Northern Oil Company was wounded along
with two other civilians in a bombing targeting his residence in Kirkuk.
430. May 19 - A roadiside IED in Hawijah wounded four oil employees who
were driving past as it detonated.
431. May 20 - A suicide VBIED constructed from a hijacked road tanker
killed at least two police officers near a checkpoint outside an open
market in ar-Ramadi. Nine other nine officers were wounded. Police
opened fire on the vehcile as it approached the checkpoint but the
bomber still managed to initiate the device.
432. May 20 - Militants attacked the Oil Protection Force (OPF) patrol
while others detonated an IED under an oil pipeline in a complex attack
near Kirkuk. The attack targeted a patrol of the 1st Infrastructure
Brigade (Oil Protection) during the early hours of 20 May near the
village of al-Safra on the Kirkuk-Baiji highway, (65 km) southwest of
Kirkuk. Whilst engaged in an exchange of SAF, a second insurgent group
placed an explosive charge under the pipeline which detonated, rupturing
it over a 2m segment.
433. May 20 - Insurgents ruptured an oil by-products pipeline on fire
when they detonated an IED beneath it in the village of Safra, 65 km (40
miles) southwest of Kirkuk. The pipeline is utilized by the Northern Oil
Company Ltd.
434. May 21 - Insurgents sabotaged a disused oil well in northern Iraq
early in the morning, causing a significant fire. The well is owned by
the Northern Oil Company Ltd. An IED attached to to the well functioned
at about 04:00hrs LT in the Hanjira area, about 25 kilometres (12 miles)
northwest of Kirkuk.
435. May 28 - Three soldiers of the Oil Protection Force (OPF) guarding
an oil pipeline in Kirkuk were injured.
436. June 1 - An unconfirmed number of security personnel from the Oil
Protection Force (OPF) were ambushed and kidnapped by insurgents on the
main road to the south-west of Kirkuk.
437. June 4 - A roadside IED detonated while a road tanker was passing
it in centre (financial district) of western Mosul. The tanker caught
fire and was destroyed and the driver was injured.
438. June 4 - One civilian was killed and another wounded when a guard
assigned to protect oil establishments in Kut opened fire on masses of
people gathered in front of a new petrol station.
439. June 5 - A fuel tanker was damaged beyond repair and a fuel retail
outlet damaged near the US Forward Operating Base at al-Mahmudiyah. An
IED, estimated to incorporate about 5Kg of explosives, detonated in the
cab of the vehicle.
440. June 5 - Insurgents attacked an oil pipeline near Bayji.The device
ruptured the pipeline, setting fire to the resulatant oil spill.
441. June 9 - A suicide vehicle constructed using a road tanker
detonated at an Iraqi army checkpoint outside in the town of
al-Iskandariyah, killing at least Iraqi 13 soldiers.
442. June 11 - Ten people died in an explosion after a fuel tanker
loaded with gasoline, was deliberately crashed into the Tikrit police
command, destroying its two-storey building.
443. June 16 - Three men belonging from the Oil Protection Force
(OPF)were wounded when a roadside IED detonated near their patrol
vehicle on the Riadh-Kirkuk road.
444. June 20 - Insurgents attacked and ruptured a domestic gas pipeline
that feeds power stations in northern Iraq.
445. June 21 - A suicide truck constructed from a oil tanker was
detonated south Kirkuk, killing 12 people and wounding 70, including
policemen and local politicians.
446. June 22 - In southern Baghdad, US soldiers on a routine patrol
searched a suspicious fuel tanker and discovered it had been converted
into a VBIED. The explosive charge consisted of 14 x 155 mm artillery
shells.
447. June 23 - Two officers of the Oil protection Force (OPF), assigned
to protect oil pipelines were wounded during an attack on their post 25
miles west of Kirkuk.
448. June 25 - Fifteen people were killed when a suicide bomber ploughed
a VBIED constructed from a fuel tanker into the police headquarters of
the northern Iraqi town of Bayji. Another 50 people, mostly civilians,
were wounded in the attack.
449. June 29 - An IED detonated under an oil pipeline in the al-Mowehlah
area of Abu Haswah south of Baghdad, spilling crude oil and sparking a
large fire.
450. July 1 - Insurgents attacked a fuel outlet with multiple IED's
which resulted in total destruction. The incident occurred in the small
Sunni town of Tall al Mishayah, north of Baghdad. There were no casualties.
451. July 1 - in Kirkuk, an Iraqi soldier assigned to bolster local Oil
Protection Force (OPF) personnel was fatally shot by insurgents.
452. July 1 - Coalition forces neutralised an IED that had been intended
to sabotage an oil pipeline southwest of Kirkuk.
453. July 3 - Insurgents hijacked four oil tanker trucks that were
carrying gasoline to Baghdad on the highway north of Hilla.
454. July 6 - Insurgents detonated a roadside IED near an Iraqi Oil
Protection Force (OPF) patrol vehicle near Kirkuk, killing one soldier
and injuring another three, including an officer.
455. July 11 - Oil Protection Force (OPF) guards clashed with smugglers
and confiscated four tankers full of crude oil near a pipeline
connecting the Luhais and Rumaylah North oil fields (50 km west of
Basrah). There were no casualties in the incident.
456. July 11 - A coast guard was wounded during clashes with armed oil
smugglers in the Shatt Al-Arab waterway near the port of Abu Al-Khasib
(20 km south east of Basrah).
457. July 12 - In Mosul, the body of an Oil Protection Force (OPF) guard
was found on 12 July. Yassin Mohasen Aayed, was killed by gunmen in
al-Jesr al-Khames in western Mosul.
458. July 14 - An Iraqi oil tanker was destroyed during a US airstrike
in the Shiite area of al-Ubaidi in east Baghdad.
459. July 17 - Just outside the northern town of Bayji, a Turkish truck
driver died when a roadside IED targeted his vehicle. The vehicle was
destroyed in the ensuing fire.
460. July 18 - In al-Latifiya insurgents hijacked a convoy of three
tanker trucks carrying crude oil to the ad-Daura refinery. They killed
the drivers took the vehicles wither cargo.
461. July 23 - three employees of Iraqi Oil Ministry were killed and
another injured in a small-arms attack on their vehicle in Baghdad.
462. September 18 - Iraq's northern oil export pipeline to Turkey was
badly damaged in a sabotage attack.
463. October 19 - insurgents blew up a pipeline near Kirkuk that carried
oil to the Bayji refinery.
464. Nov. 11 - An explosion damaged a pipeline near the northern city of
Kirkuk.
465. Dec. 7 - An oil pipeline was bombed near Al-Fatah, 75 miles west of
Kirkuk.
2008
466. Jan. 7 - An explosion at a fuel storage tank caused a huge blaze at
the Bayji refinery, injuring at least 36 workers.
467. Feb 10 - A car bomb exploded at a power station in Mosul, killing
four civilians and causing power outages.
468. Feb. 11 - An explosion struck a gas pipeline transporting unrefined
gas from Kirkuk to the Bayji refinery.
469. March 27 - Gunmen blew up an oil pipeline in Zubair area west of
Basra.
Iraq Pipeline Watch is now being updated only sporadically and may not
be a complete log of attacks. Feel free to send information about
attacks to in...@iags.org.
Bas Mati
> You slaughtered 4,000 +
> of our soldiers for no reason at all.
I'm sorry we liberated 50 million people, let's just put em all back in
shackles to make you lieberal verminous fascists happy again...
Bas Mati
>> When you consider the choices the Dumbcrats have offered up as
>> candidates, what the hell do you expect?
>
> Look, bunkie, we could put up a junkie with a needle stuck to his
> forehead
Not that your present candidate of choice is all that much less whacked...
Bas Mati
> On May 11, 5:41 pm, Ockham's Razor <Menc...@pdx.net> wrote:
>> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brVnZ2dnUVZ_uadn...@comcast.com>,
>
>> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush twice.
>
> A lot of mindless idiots voted for bush
We already covered clammie's vote...
znuybv
I doubt that. Overwhelming number of Iraqis want us to stay. There
will be a monumental blood bath if we leave without completely
subduing the terrorists.
BobR
>
> - Show quoted text -
Naw, it won't take but one term for the people to remember why they
threw the dumbcraps out on their ass.
monkey_...@yahoo.com
duhhhhh
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't
care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02
"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
MTD
Sanders Kaufman
news:Mencken-54DCB4...@news.dsl...
> I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewy v Truman.
There's no comparison.
Truman helped us win WWII.
Bush has lost both in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Kevin Cunningham
So tell us, bunkie, were did we liberate 50 million people???? In
what strange world do you live? A world were al-quaida is a strong
military organization? 'Cause in this one al-quaida is one of many,
many Iraqi organizations that hate our guts.
Were not only hated by some Iraqis, were hated by all Iraqis. They
don't think we liberated them, they think were occupiers. Figures,
after 5 long years of a doomed war the Iraqis wouldn't like us and
want us gone. All of them except for the smack sellers, whores and
translators. Of course our administration will get the smack dealers
and whores out and leave the translators to die. Gotta hand it to
Great Leaders Bush and Cheney, they have been consistent, they will
leave our friends to die and save the drug dealers and whores.
By the way, have you served in Iraq or are you a gutless chicken hawk
repug?
Kevin Cunningham
Prove it. Come on, moron, show us the proof. Every poll has shown
that the Iraqis want us out. And their doing their best to discourage
us by trying real hard to kill us.
So, idiot, lets see your facts. Come on, chicken hawk, lets see your
proof.
MTD
> On May 12, 3:16 pm, Bas Mati <w...@rice.cook> wrote:
>> Kevin Cunningham wrote:
>>> You slaughtered 4,000 +
>>> of our soldiers for no reason at all.
>> I'm sorry we liberated 50 million people, let's just put em all back in
>> shackles to make you lieberal verminous fascists happy again...
>
> So tell us, bunkie, were did we liberate 50 million people????
Afghanistan
Iraq
HTH, now go suck some ass.
MTD
But are glad we came and liberated them.
So?
monkey_...@yahoo.com
I think that at a time they were suspicious of our intentions, at
best. We completely removed all doubt when we started the torture
assembly line and killed innocents with a carefree mentality.
MTD
monkey_...@yahoo.com
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> monkey_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> >> "znuybv" <tjwi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:0040b3fd-0d87-4099...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.com
> >> ...
> >> > On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting more
> >> >> involved.
> >> >
> >> > The pundits tell us that before every election.
> >>
> >> Bullshit. During most election cycles, you're lucky to see 50%
> >> turnout. In this one, we're getting more than that in just the
> >> primaries. Nothing gets folks to the polls faster than to send their
> >> kids off to die for Christ and oil.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, the war is the main issue. Most aren't satisfied with the so-
> > called progress and reality is, most of the country is completely
> > against it. Republicans stand for the war and Democrats are against
> > it. It's a no brainer of what's going to happen in the upcoming
> > elections. People are going to make sure they have some control and
> > get out and vote.
> >
>
> Like you did in 2006.
>
> And, if you elect a Democrat, the war will continue like nothing
> happened. Boy, you folks are STUPID!
It serves no purpose so I see no reason why they would. Hillary likely
would but she is mostly an idiot
Lobby Dosser
>
>
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> monkey_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>> >> "znuybv" <tjwi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:0040b3fd-0d87-4099...@q24g2000prf.googlegroups.
>> >> com ...
>> >> > On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting
>> >> >> more involved.
>> >> >
>> >> > The pundits tell us that before every election.
>> >>
>> >> Bullshit. During most election cycles, you're lucky to see 50%
>> >> turnout. In this one, we're getting more than that in just the
>> >> primaries. Nothing gets folks to the polls faster than to send
>> >> their kids off to die for Christ and oil.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Yes, the war is the main issue. Most aren't satisfied with the so-
>> > called progress and reality is, most of the country is completely
>> > against it. Republicans stand for the war and Democrats are against
>> > it. It's a no brainer of what's going to happen in the upcoming
>> > elections. People are going to make sure they have some control and
>> > get out and vote.
>> >
>>
>> Like you did in 2006.
>>
>> And, if you elect a Democrat, the war will continue like nothing
>> happened. Boy, you folks are STUPID!
>
> It serves no purpose so I see no reason why they would. Hillary likely
> would but she is mostly an idiot
>
The Democrats in Congress promised they would do so, then FUNDED it. Why
do you think either of the two Senators would end it?
MTD
monkey_...@yahoo.com
They funded the troops.
Well how do they end it? They cannot override the Republicans vote.
They could as was talked about bleed it to death but that's not right
to underfund the troops. Do you think they would end it if they could?
I mean it's a disaster to end it and it's even more of a disaster to
stay.
Really Republicans actions are complete burdens on this country and
out government.
Oh, there was no reason whatsoever to go into Iraq after 9/11.
monkey_...@yahoo.com
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> monkey_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > znuybv wrote:
> >> On May 11, 4:08 pm, Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > Ockham's Razor wrote:
> >> > > In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brVnZ2dnUVZ_uidn...@comcast.com>,
> >> > > Bill Shatzer <bshatze...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> > >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> >> > >>>Bye bye, repugs.
> >> > >>And good riddance, one might add.
> >> > > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewy v Truman.
> >> >
> >> > John McCain is no Harry Truman.
> >> >
> >> > He's not even Harold Stassen.
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> And Obama's no empty suit...oh wait a sec...
> >
> > Empty suit is a slogan. Like stay the course. Or Democrats hate the
> > troops.
>
> Empty Suit is a description and it is applied regardless of political
> affiliation. Alexander Haig, for example, was an empty suit. Bob Packwood
> was an empty suit. Obama is an empty suit.
We had a mayor that was a empty suit. He was a Democrat. Obama I
believe has something special. Hillary is an empty pants-suit, McBrain
has the war and nothing more.
monkey_...@yahoo.com
Lobby Dosser wrote:
> monkey_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ockham's Razor wrote:
> >> In article <m-idncSRGLv64brV...@comcast.com>,
> >> Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ockham's Razor wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > In article <PLydnS9WYfyx-brV...@comcast.com>,
> >> > > Bill Shatzer <bshat...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>Kevin Cunningham wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>>Bye bye, repugs.
> >> >
> >> > >>And good riddance, one might add.
> >> >
> >> > > I wouldn't get too carried away. Remember Dewey v Truman.
> >> >
> >> > John McCain is no Harry Truman.
> >> >
> >> > He's not even Harold Stassen.
> >>
> >> Hopefully. Remember that a lot of mindless idiots elected Bush
> >> twice.
> >>
> >> --
> > They should have tattoos, I'm to stupid to know who best represents my
> > interests, around a tatood broken pink
> > swastica.
>
> Always nice to come across someone who recognizes their own limitations!!
>
> PROPS!!
And boy were my parents really mad when after I got it.
Lobby Dosser
Lobby Dosser
>
>
> Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> monkey_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Lobby Dosser wrote:
>> >> monkey_...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Sanders Kaufman wrote:
>> >> >> "znuybv" <tjwi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:0040b3fd-0d87-4099...@q24g2000prf.googlegrou
>> >> >> ps. com ...
>> >> >> > On May 11, 5:12 am, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> This election cycle - across the board - people are getting
>> >> >> >> more involved.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The pundits tell us that before every election.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Bullshit. During most election cycles, you're lucky to see 50%
>> >> >> turnout. In this one, we're getting more than that in just the
>> >> >> primaries. Nothing gets folks to the polls faster than to send
>> >> >> their kids off to die for Christ and oil.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes, the war is the main issue. Most aren't satisfied with the
>> >> > so- called progress and reality is, most of the country is
>> >> > completely against it. Republicans stand for the war and
>> >> > Democrats are against it. It's a no brainer of what's going to
>> >> > happen in the upcoming elections. People are going to make sure
>> >> > they have some control and get out and vote.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Like you did in 2006.
>> >>
>> >> And, if you elect a Democrat, the war will continue like nothing
>> >> happened. Boy, you folks are STUPID!
>> >
>> > It serves no purpose so I see no reason why they would. Hillary
>> > likely would but she is mostly an idiot
>> >
>>
>> The Democrats in Congress promised they would do so, then FUNDED it.
>> Why do you think either of the two Senators would end it?
>
> They funded the troops.
The funded the WAR.
>
> Well how do they end it? They cannot override the Republicans vote.
Only in the Senate. Read up on how things get Funded. The Dems didn't
even TRY. They could have forced a crisis, but every god damn one of them
(Rs included) is a power hungry COWARD afraid of being thrown from the
gravy train.
> They could as was talked about bleed it to death but that's not right
> to underfund the troops. Do you think they would end it if they could?
> I mean it's a disaster to end it and it's even more of a disaster to
> stay.
See above.
MTD
> We had a mayor that was a empty suit.
You WILL be tracked own and dealt with:
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MTD
> And boy were my parents really mad when after I got it.
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> Oh, there was no reason whatsoever to go into Iraq after 9/11.
Hey proxy-hopping monkey fuck, someone's going to find you real time and
kick your sorry ass to HELL!
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Kevin Cunningham
Yep, your from another world. Or your a filth ridden chicken
hawk.....
Yeah, we "liberated" the Afghanis and the Iraqis. So go take a long
solo walk around Baghdad....
Kevin Cunningham
Hey suck boui, gutless coward, track me down and deal with me. See,
here's the funny part, I use my real name. So come on coward, you can
creep around in the dark here.
Of course you to cowardly, you hid underneath your rock scared to come
out but you have a stolen computer and a fake name so now your on
Usenet, you used to be in a mental facility.
So when you goin' to Iraq?
MRE
> On May 14, 12:43 pm, MTD <s...@throw.er> wrote:
>> monkey_cart...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> We had a mayor that was a empty suit.
>> You WILL be tracked own and dealt with:
>>
>> Hostname 88.191.47.11
>> ISP Free SAS
>> Organization Dedibox SAS
>
> Hey suck boui, gutless coward, track me down and deal with me.
Hostname dialup-4.154.72.21.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net
ISP Level 3 Communications
Organization Level 3 Communications
State/Region GA
City Lawrenceville
Latitude 33.9556
Longitude -84.0016
Area Code 770
> See,
> here's the funny part, I use my real name. So come on coward, you can
> creep around in the dark here.
http://www.gfia-iaai.org/committees.htm
> Of course you to cowardly, you hid underneath your rock scared to come
> out but you have a stolen computer and a fake name so now your on
> Usenet, you used to be in a mental facility.
>
> So when you goin' to Iraq?
Wow, that was a drug-fueled rant!
Curt
> Yeah, we "liberated" the Afghanis and the Iraqis. So go take a long
> solo walk around Baghdad....
Or anywhere in Afghanistan, for that matter. The Taliban apparently
run the place again. Outside Kabul, at least. And even two weeks ago,
they almost managed to knock off the Afghani "president".
Curt
Day Brown
Hassenfus? After the Central American cocaine supply was shut down, the
CIA looked for a new entrepreneurial opportunity, and saw the Taliban
were badly mismanaging Opium production in Afghanistan.
911 gave the CIA the excuse to invade and get production going again,
and now that they have, there are others who want a piece of the action.
Its never been about winning the wars on Terrorism and Drugs, and always
been about milking them.
A C-130 can haul 20 tons for the CIA. Production is up so much the price
in Kandahar has fallen below 150$/kg... or 3million for a plane load.
But when it gets to the streets of New York, now its worth 100$/GRAM!
Has your calculator got enuf zeros to figure out the profit to the CIA
boys running this?
Another thing the CIA knows, is that Hillary knew how to turn a blind
eye to what was going on with the CIA cocaine flights to Mena AR. Obama
would do well to get out of Hillary's way to the Oval Office, or he'll
have a CIA target on the back of his head.
Curt
Mmmmmkay, then.
Curt