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Martin Pistorius  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 4:38 am
From: Martin Pistorius <martin.pistor...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:38:52 +0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 4:38 am
Subject: Banking frustrations

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone has had any advice or suggestions; I have for the
umpteenth time had problems with my bank (Barclays) who insist that they
speak to me, which is a problem. They also refused to accept a
synthesised voice. This is not only frustrating, it's discriminatory.

This is problem I have with a number of services/organisations who only
deal with you over the telephone and will not accept someone else
speaking on your behalf, and even if they do it still means that you are
reliant/dependent on someone else.

The problem with the bank is particular frustrating because even if you
go to all the trouble to go to the bank you then get told to phone head
office - I can't win!

We specifically have joint accounts to try avoid this problem but still
that doesn't help. All Barclays say is that my wife need to get power of
attorney. I understand that there are data protection laws and security
particular with regard to banking is important but I feel its wrong that
there is no alternative and that I must pay a minimum of �260 to get
power of attorney simply to sort out an issue with my bank card. /I'm
better off just using my wife's card. /Not only this, it is in theory
illegal as my understanding is power of attorney only becomes valid once
an individual is deemed no longer to have "capacity".
/
/I would be really grateful if someone has any suggestion how I can get
around this problem or who I can contact.

Thank you,

Martin
/
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Julie Bello  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 4:46 am
From: Julie Bello <julieb...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:46:43 +0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 4:46 am
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

Can you insist they mark your 'file' that they MUST contact you via a video
link?  Skype/Smartphone or any video calling software/gadget?
Julie


 
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Taylor, Barry  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 4:48 am
From: "Taylor, Barry" <Barry.Tay...@hey.nhs.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:48:59 -0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 4:48 am
Subject: RE: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

Sounds like the cue for someone to do a "which" report on bank accessibility.

Mine told me they couldn't help with my query because I had the wrong sort of phone!  (Actually it was probably just poor reception when keying in a pin no.)

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Janet Larcher  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 4:56 am
From: "Janet Larcher" <ja...@larcher.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:56:12 -0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 4:56 am
Subject: RE: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

The Times newspaper is having a major “go” about this at the moment,
although they have used the case of a deaf and non-speaking lady as a focus,
suggest you contact the Times with your CV and the issues you are facing.
It won’t solve your problem immediately but it will help to move things in
the right direction.  I would also suggest that you copy your letter & CV to
your MP for good measure.  We can raise this during the reception at the
House of Commons.

In practical day to day terms I don’t have any answers I’m afraid

Good luck

            Janet

From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Martin Pistorius
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:39
To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone has had any advice or suggestions; I have for the
umpteenth time had problems with my bank (Barclays) who insist that they
speak to me, which is a problem. They also refused to accept a synthesised
voice. This is not only frustrating, it's discriminatory.

This is problem I have with a number of services/organisations who only deal
with you over the telephone and will not accept someone else speaking on
your behalf, and even if they do it still means that you are
reliant/dependent on someone else.

The problem with the bank is particular frustrating because even if you go
to all the trouble to go to the bank you then get told to phone head office
- I can't win!

We specifically have joint accounts to try avoid this problem but still that
doesn't help. All Barclays say is that my wife need to get power of
attorney. I understand that there are data protection laws and security
particular with regard to banking is important but I feel its wrong that
there is no alternative and that I must pay a minimum of £260 to get power
of attorney simply to sort out an issue with my bank card. I'm better off
just using my wife's card. Not only this, it is in theory illegal as my
understanding is power of attorney only becomes valid once an individual is
deemed no longer to have "capacity".    

I would be really grateful if someone has any suggestion how I can get
around this problem or who I can contact.

Thank you,

Martin  

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Amanda Hynan  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 4:59 am
From: Amanda Hynan <amanda.e.hy...@stu.mmu.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 09:59:45 +0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 4:59 am
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

I wonder if it would be worth contacting the money problem experts in the Sunday papers with this interesting issue?
Amanda Hynan

Sent from my iPhone

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Patrick Poon  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 5:11 am
From: Patrick Poon <admingro...@communicationmatters.org.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:11:27 +0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 5:11 am
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

There seems to be the possibility of a using
third party mandate, albeit on a temporary basis
http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_family/family_index_ew/manag...

Bank and building society accounts

If all you need is for someone to be able,
temporarily, to operate a bank account for you,
you can just write to your bank. Many banks have
their own form, called a form for third party
mandate, which they will ask you to complete and return to them.

However, if you need someone to be able to
operate more than one account for you, or you
need someone to manage your financial affairs on
a more long-term basis, you might want to think
about making a power of attorney – see under power of attorney.


 
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Carol-Ann Howe  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 5:12 am
From: Carol-Ann Howe <Carol-Ann.H...@northyorks.gov.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:12:41 +0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 5:12 am
Subject: RE: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

I'm just shocked. Is there a banking ombudsman or something?
Private Eye seem to be very receptive to communication stories at the moment too.
Just awful
good luck
Carol-ann

From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Janet Larcher
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:56
To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

The Times newspaper is having a major "go" about this at the moment, although they have used the case of a deaf and non-speaking lady as a focus, suggest you contact the Times with your CV and the issues you are facing.  It won't solve your problem immediately but it will help to move things in the right direction.  I would also suggest that you copy your letter & CV to your MP for good measure.  We can raise this during the reception at the House of Commons.

In practical day to day terms I don't have any answers I'm afraid

Good luck

            Janet

From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Pistorius
Sent: 27 February 2012 09:39
To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone has had any advice or suggestions; I have for the umpteenth time had problems with my bank (Barclays) who insist that they speak to me, which is a problem. They also refused to accept a synthesised voice. This is not only frustrating, it's discriminatory.

This is problem I have with a number of services/organisations who only deal with you over the telephone and will not accept someone else speaking on your behalf, and even if they do it still means that you are reliant/dependent on someone else.

The problem with the bank is particular frustrating because even if you go to all the trouble to go to the bank you then get told to phone head office - I can't win!

We specifically have joint accounts to try avoid this problem but still that doesn't help. All Barclays say is that my wife need to get power of attorney. I understand that there are data protection laws and security particular with regard to banking is important but I feel its wrong that there is no alternative and that I must pay a minimum of £260 to get power of attorney simply to sort out an issue with my bank card. I'm better off just using my wife's card. Not only this, it is in theory illegal as my understanding is power of attorney only becomes valid once an individual is deemed no longer to have "capacity".

I would be really grateful if someone has any suggestion how I can get around this problem or who I can contact.

Thank you,

Martin

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Katilea  
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 More options Feb 27 2012, 5:26 am
From: Katilea <kati...@sky.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:26:54 +0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 5:26 am
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

Hi Martin

I am deaf since age 16 and used Typetalk for 26 years,  they seem to recognise Typetalk relay service as I have phoned my bank when I needed things like new pin numbers,  register for online banking and stuff.  I've always used it for all appointments for doctors,  British Gas,  Sky, hospital, paid for things over the phone etc.  They have to sign a secrets document so they can't give out your bank numbers etc but the conversation disappears from their screen when they have finished.

I can't remember if you are in UK or SA? I'm not sure if South Africa have this service for the deaf,  but if you are in UK and can type on a keyboard you could get a textphone for deaf (also for speech impaired) and use that to contact your bank.  

If you prefer to listen to person talking than read the screen you can use the 'Hearing Carry Over' where you listen on phone to them but then type your reply for the operator to relay to them.  

It's called Text Relay now but I've known it as Typetalk for years so still call it that!  Here's a link,  they maybe able to help you.

http://www.textrelay.org/

Kati

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Katilea  
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From: Katilea <Kati...@sky.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 02:31:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 5:31 am
Subject: Re: Banking frustrations
I forgot to say you can also use your PC as a textphone by downloading
their windows software,  but i think this only works for outgoing
calls,  not if they have to phone you back,  but I'm not sure you
should ask them.

I've never used it as I only have Macs.

Kati

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From: Hector Minto <Hector.Mi...@tobii.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:35:05 +0100
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 5:35 am
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

Hi Martin

A friend of mine has had a similar problem with HSBC, which they were extremely eager to remedy. Drop me an email off forum and I will hook you up with the contact. He can then share his success.

Hector

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On 27 Feb 2012, at 09:39, "Martin Pistorius" <martin.pistor...@gmail.com<mailto:martin.pistor...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone has had any advice or suggestions; I have for the umpteenth time had problems with my bank (Barclays) who insist that they speak to me, which is a problem. They also refused to accept a synthesised voice. This is not only frustrating, it's discriminatory.

This is problem I have with a number of services/organisations who only deal with you over the telephone and will not accept someone else speaking on your behalf, and even if they do it still means that you are reliant/dependent on someone else.

The problem with the bank is particular frustrating because even if you go to all the trouble to go to the bank you then get told to phone head office - I can't win!

We specifically have joint accounts to try avoid this problem but still that doesn't help. All Barclays say is that my wife need to get power of attorney. I understand that there are data protection laws and security particular with regard to banking is important but I feel its wrong that there is no alternative and that I must pay a minimum of £260 to get power of attorney simply to sort out an issue with my bank card. I'm better off just using my wife's card. Not only this, it is in theory illegal as my understanding is power of attorney only becomes valid once an individual is deemed no longer to have "capacity".

I would be really grateful if someone has any suggestion how I can get around this problem or who I can contact.

Thank you,

Martin

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Mel Eltome  
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From: "Mel Eltome" <Mel.Elt...@anhst.nhs.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 10:55:29 -0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 5:55 am
Subject: RE: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

What about taking this up with  The Guardian newspaper consumer champion?

Good luck.

Mel

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From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Poon
Sent: 27 February 2012 10:11
To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

There seems to be the possibility of a using third party mandate, albeit on a temporary basis http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_family/family_index_ew/manag...

Bank and building society accounts

If all you need is for someone to be able, temporarily, to operate a bank account for you, you can just write to your bank. Many banks have their own form, called a form for third party mandate, which they will ask you to complete and return to them.

However, if you need someone to be able to operate more than one account for you, or you need someone to manage your financial affairs on a more long-term basis, you might want to think about making a power of attorney - see under power of attorney.

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone has had any advice or suggestions; I have for the umpteenth time had problems with my bank (Barclays) who insist that they speak to me, which is a problem. They also refused to accept a synthesised voice. This is not only frustrating, it's discriminatory.

This is problem I have with a number of services/organisations who only deal with you over the telephone and will not accept someone else speaking on your behalf, and even if they do it still means that you are reliant/dependent on someone else.

The problem with the bank is particular frustrating because even if you go to all the trouble to go to the bank you then get told to phone head office - I can't win!

We specifically have joint accounts to try avoid this problem but still that doesn't help. All Barclays say is that my wife need to get power of attorney. I understand that there are data protection laws and security particular with regard to banking is important but I feel its wrong that there is no alternative and that I must pay a minimum of £260 to get power of attorney simply to sort out an issue with my bank card. I'm better off just using my wife's card. Not only this, it is in theory illegal as my understanding is power of attorney only becomes valid once an individual is deemed no longer to have "capacity".    

I would be really grateful if someone has any suggestion how I can get around this problem or who I can contact.

Thank you,

Martin  

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Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 11:26:23 +0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 6:26 am
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

Hi Martin,

I have similar issues with banks etc with my PA translating on my behalf
and then the organisation expecting me to put them on my account, BT
actually did put my bill in the name of my PA!

The disability manager for Barclays is Jackie Stokes and her email is
jackie.sto...@barclays.com

Have you also looked at using a textphone?  It is however a training issues
and many companies are now setting up special needs call centres which have
more training, time and patience, and should be helpful to AAC users. Sky
is good for this.

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From: Kate Caryer <midgek...@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 17:31:26 +0000
Local: Mon, Feb 27 2012 12:31 pm
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations
(from Midge Caryer)

Kate has had problems with Barclays.    They refused to reimburse her for
unauthorised withdrawals on her account as we were honest and said her PA's
knew her pin number.   (There is no way she can manipulate a cash machine
herself and PA's only draw cash when she is with them, but Barclays did not
care.)

Then we had problems with the gadget they introduced to use internet
banking, which is a godsend for disabled people if it weren't for the
gadget.    We eventually went to the Financial Ombudsman and a not
particularly good resolution was reached.    I have to do internet banking
with her now as her hand function makes fiddling with the gadget
time-consuming and frustrating.    As to phone banking - Barclays just put
the phone down when they hear an electronic voice.

Midge Caryer

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From: Katilea <kati...@sky.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:33:20 +0000
Local: Tues, Feb 28 2012 2:33 am
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations
I would switch banks!  

I'm with Halifax and Abbey (now Santander) and have used Typetalk to phone both with no problems.  I don't have the 'gadget' either,  never seen it but think I know what you mean my friends bank has one.

Kati

On 27 Feb 2012, at 17:31, Kate Caryer wrote:


 
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From: Simon Stevens <si...@simonstevens.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2012 07:42:05 +0000
Local: Tues, Feb 28 2012 2:42 am
Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Banking frustrations

I have meeting with Virgin Money at a senior level soon to look at things
can be done differently for disabled customers and I will be explaining a
lot of the issues from here. If there is going to be a retail banking
revolution, this is the time to get these issues sorted!

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On 28 February 2012 07:33, Katilea <kati...@sky.com> wrote:


 
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