I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think the battery life/weight/heat out doesn't compare as well on these as to the iOs or android devices (and it seems overkill).
I was hoping that either GridPlayer or Tobii's app offerings would allow 'syncing' of phrases from a main device (his laptop) to an occasional one (his iPad/equivalent), but this has not been implemented (which I think is a real shame).
Next tack is to look to use a real, Bluetooth keyboard, with an app that has (in-line) prediction and phrase management. I was hoping that predictable would fit this bill, but it does not accept an external keyboard. Verbally could be OK,but I don't want the on-screen keyboard and need a bigger phrase area... Locabulary/MyVoice could be nice (as location based), but don't have good phrase management or prediction. I haven't tested yet is Mobile112 yet (as our Android phone reinstalled itself) but I don't think it has either, either... He can not touch type in the same way on the lightwriter keyboard.
So, does anyone know an app with: 1 Prediction (in-line + list) 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). 4 Accepts an external keyboard. .....That would work on iOS/Android ?!
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There is an overlay now for the iPad keyboard in landscape mode so he would have physical feedback which can easily be removed when he needed to access other apps. I'm thinking of getting one too but I'm waiting to see if I decided to go with iPad3 or wait to upgrade to the next one.
Also Proloquo2go has a nice big keyboard in typing mode and the prediction can be as big or small as you want it to be. The shortcuts in the iOS5 also work in P2G typing mode so you can pre-make sentences and abbreviations and use them in P2G as well as composing email or writing notes in other apps.
I was going to get a keyguard but I noticed the new iPad3 keyboard has an extra key for the dictation so I'd have to get another keyguard if I upgraded to iPad3. I will wait and see if they bring out an overlay for the newer iPad keyboard before I upgrade.
The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with iPad so he could mount iPad screen to chair and have keyboard on lap to type on iPad?..he'd still need to press screen for prediction but the shortcuts he created in iOS5 should work on the physical keyboard?
Kati
On 27 Mar 2012, at 17:41, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
> I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
> He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think the battery life/weight/heat out doesn't compare as well on these as to the iOs or android devices (and it seems overkill).
> I was hoping that either GridPlayer or Tobii's app offerings would allow 'syncing' of phrases from a main device (his laptop) to an occasional one (his iPad/equivalent), but this has not been implemented (which I think is a real shame).
> Next tack is to look to use a real, Bluetooth keyboard, with an app that has (in-line) prediction and phrase management. I was hoping that predictable would fit this bill, but it does not accept an external keyboard. Verbally could be OK,but I don't want the on-screen keyboard and need a bigger phrase area... Locabulary/MyVoice could be nice (as location based), but don't have good phrase management or prediction. I haven't tested yet is Mobile112 yet (as our Android phone reinstalled itself) but I don't think it has either, either... He can not touch type in the same way on the lightwriter keyboard.
> So, does anyone know an app with: > 1 Prediction (in-line + list) > 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) > 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). > 4 Accepts an external keyboard. > .....That would work on iOS/Android ?!
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RE the key guard - I have considered this, and it is a nice idea (I'm really interested in the potential of key guards on capacitative touch screens and we are currently playing with a few things RE this), but he really does need a real keyboard with the same key-pitch and tactile feedback I think to maintain his current typing ability....
RE P2G - The external keyboard works nicely, yes (the on-screen one disappears, which is cute) but I don't think the phrase management is easy/good enough really, it isn't really phrase management more 'putting things in cells'... By phrase management I mean the ability to search for a phrase from a string you are typing, the ability to put them in categories and ideally 'recency' and 'location' context... Also, I think it is amazing (for my client) the difference in-line prediction makes over 'press the screen /F1' prediction... It basically means he can keep his touch-typing 'posture' which takes a bit of time to get into (and so makes moving hands to touch the screen not worthwhile).
I think I might be being optimistic (!), but thought it worth checking before going down another route. (-;
-----Original Message----- From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:12 PM To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
There is an overlay now for the iPad keyboard in landscape mode so he would have physical feedback which can easily be removed when he needed to access other apps. I'm thinking of getting one too but I'm waiting to see if I decided to go with iPad3 or wait to upgrade to the next one.
Also Proloquo2go has a nice big keyboard in typing mode and the prediction can be as big or small as you want it to be. The shortcuts in the iOS5 also work in P2G typing mode so you can pre-make sentences and abbreviations and use them in P2G as well as composing email or writing notes in other apps.
I was going to get a keyguard but I noticed the new iPad3 keyboard has an extra key for the dictation so I'd have to get another keyguard if I upgraded to iPad3. I will wait and see if they bring out an overlay for the newer iPad keyboard before I upgrade.
The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with iPad so he could mount iPad screen to chair and have keyboard on lap to type on iPad?..he'd still need to press screen for prediction but the shortcuts he created in iOS5 should work on the physical keyboard?
Kati
On 27 Mar 2012, at 17:41, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
Hi,
I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think the battery life/weight/heat out doesn't compare as well on these as to the iOs or android devices (and it seems overkill).
I was hoping that either GridPlayer or Tobii's app offerings would allow 'syncing' of phrases from a main device (his laptop) to an occasional one (his iPad/equivalent), but this has not been implemented (which I think is a real shame).
Next tack is to look to use a real, Bluetooth keyboard, with an app that has (in-line) prediction and phrase management. I was hoping that predictable would fit this bill, but it does not accept an external keyboard. Verbally could be OK,but I don't want the on-screen keyboard and need a bigger phrase area... Locabulary/MyVoice could be nice (as location based), but don't have good phrase management or prediction. I haven't tested yet is Mobile112 yet (as our Android phone reinstalled itself) but I don't think it has either, either... He can not touch type in the same way on the lightwriter keyboard.
So, does anyone know an app with: 1 Prediction (in-line + list) 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). 4 Accepts an external keyboard. .....That would work on iOS/Android ?!
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I use shortcuts for sentence beginnings to speed things up and the multi word prediction often predicts the rest. eg 'do you want to go to' would be dywg then the prediction would suggest my places. If you type it in once with right words and add full stop it saves them then next time you typed in that shortcut all the place names would come up (depending how many predictions you have chosen or most frequent).
I'm currently designing my own grid version so the pre-stored sentences that I use will come up within the typing space without me having to remove the overlay/keyguard to go from typing to grid mode in the middle of conversations. As I mostly use typing page for spontaneous chat but have stuff like address, and other common explanations on a 'my phrases' page in the grid view of P2G.
Kati
On 27 Mar 2012, at 18:34, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
> RE the key guard - I have considered this, and it is a nice idea (I'm really interested in the potential of key guards on capacitative touch screens and we are currently playing with a few things RE this), but he really does need a real keyboard with the same key-pitch and tactile feedback I think to maintain his current typing ability....
> RE P2G - The external keyboard works nicely, yes (the on-screen one disappears, which is cute) but I don't think the phrase management is easy/good enough really, it isn't really phrase management more 'putting things in cells'... By phrase management I mean the ability to search for a phrase from a string you are typing, the ability to put them in categories and ideally 'recency' and 'location' context... Also, I think it is amazing (for my client) the difference in-line prediction makes over 'press the screen /F1' prediction... It basically means he can keep his touch-typing 'posture' which takes a bit of time to get into (and so makes moving hands to touch the screen not worthwhile).
> I think I might be being optimistic (!), but thought it worth checking before going down another route. (-;
> Cheers
> Simon
> -----Original Message----- > From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:12 PM > To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
> There is an overlay now for the iPad keyboard in landscape mode so he would have physical feedback which can easily be removed when he needed to access other apps. I'm thinking of getting one too but I'm waiting to see if I decided to go with iPad3 or wait to upgrade to the next one.
> Also Proloquo2go has a nice big keyboard in typing mode and the prediction can be as big or small as you want it to be. The shortcuts in the iOS5 also work in P2G typing mode so you can pre-make sentences and abbreviations and use them in P2G as well as composing email or writing notes in other apps.
> I was going to get a keyguard but I noticed the new iPad3 keyboard has an extra key for the dictation so I'd have to get another keyguard if I upgraded to iPad3. I will wait and see if they bring out an overlay for the newer iPad keyboard before I upgrade.
> The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with iPad so he could mount iPad screen to chair and have keyboard on lap to type on iPad?..he'd still need to press screen for prediction but the shortcuts he created in iOS5 should work on the physical keyboard?
> Kati
> On 27 Mar 2012, at 17:41, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
> He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think the battery life/weight/heat out doesn't compare as well on these as to the iOs or android devices (and it seems overkill).
> I was hoping that either GridPlayer or Tobii's app offerings would allow 'syncing' of phrases from a main device (his laptop) to an occasional one (his iPad/equivalent), but this has not been implemented (which I think is a real shame).
> Next tack is to look to use a real, Bluetooth keyboard, with an app that has (in-line) prediction and phrase management. I was hoping that predictable would fit this bill, but it does not accept an external keyboard. Verbally could be OK,but I don't want the on-screen keyboard and need a bigger phrase area... Locabulary/MyVoice could be nice (as location based), but don't have good phrase management or prediction. I haven't tested yet is Mobile112 yet (as our Android phone reinstalled itself) but I don't think it has either, either... He can not touch type in the same way on the lightwriter keyboard.
> So, does anyone know an app with: > 1 Prediction (in-line + list) > 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) > 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). > 4 Accepts an external keyboard. > .....That would work on iOS/Android ?!
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That is cute, great find Kati! I thought you meant a keyguard I'd seen for the standard iPad keyboard.
OK that _could_ get over one of the issues (though I'd need to try him as the key pitch and feel will be different). Now I'd need a text based app to do:
> 1 Prediction (in-line + list) > 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) > 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context).
I use shortcuts for sentence beginnings to speed things up and the multi word prediction often predicts the rest. eg 'do you want to go to' would be dywg then the prediction would suggest my places. If you type it in once with right words and add full stop it saves them then next time you typed in that shortcut all the place names would come up (depending how many predictions you have chosen or most frequent).
I'm currently designing my own grid version so the pre-stored sentences that I use will come up within the typing space without me having to remove the overlay/keyguard to go from typing to grid mode in the middle of conversations. As I mostly use typing page for spontaneous chat but have stuff like address, and other common explanations on a 'my phrases' page in the grid view of P2G.
Kati
On 27 Mar 2012, at 18:34, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
> Thanks Kati,
> Thanks for the ideas -
> RE the key guard - I have considered this, and it is a nice idea (I'm really interested in the potential of key guards on capacitative touch screens and we are currently playing with a few things RE this), but he really does need a real keyboard with the same key-pitch and tactile feedback I think to maintain his current typing ability....
> RE P2G - The external keyboard works nicely, yes (the on-screen one disappears, which is cute) but I don't think the phrase management is easy/good enough really, it isn't really phrase management more 'putting things in cells'... By phrase management I mean the ability to search for a phrase from a string you are typing, the ability to put them in categories and ideally 'recency' and 'location' context... Also, I think it is amazing (for my client) the difference in-line prediction makes over 'press the screen /F1' prediction... It basically means he can keep his touch-typing 'posture' which takes a bit of time to get into (and so makes moving hands to touch the screen not worthwhile).
> I think I might be being optimistic (!), but thought it worth checking > before going down another route. (-;
> Cheers
> Simon
> -----Original Message----- > From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com > [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:12 PM > To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
> There is an overlay now for the iPad keyboard in landscape mode so he would have physical feedback which can easily be removed when he needed to access other apps. I'm thinking of getting one too but I'm waiting to see if I decided to go with iPad3 or wait to upgrade to the next one.
> Also Proloquo2go has a nice big keyboard in typing mode and the prediction can be as big or small as you want it to be. The shortcuts in the iOS5 also work in P2G typing mode so you can pre-make sentences and abbreviations and use them in P2G as well as composing email or writing notes in other apps.
> I was going to get a keyguard but I noticed the new iPad3 keyboard has an extra key for the dictation so I'd have to get another keyguard if I upgraded to iPad3. I will wait and see if they bring out an overlay for the newer iPad keyboard before I upgrade.
> The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with iPad so he could mount iPad screen to chair and have keyboard on lap to type on iPad?..he'd still need to press screen for prediction but the shortcuts he created in iOS5 should work on the physical keyboard?
> Kati
> On 27 Mar 2012, at 17:41, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
> Hi,
> I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
> He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think the battery life/weight/heat out doesn't compare as well on these as to the iOs or android devices (and it seems overkill).
> I was hoping that either GridPlayer or Tobii's app offerings would allow 'syncing' of phrases from a main device (his laptop) to an occasional one (his iPad/equivalent), but this has not been implemented (which I think is a real shame).
> Next tack is to look to use a real, Bluetooth keyboard, with an app that has (in-line) prediction and phrase management. I was hoping that predictable would fit this bill, but it does not accept an external keyboard. Verbally could be OK,but I don't want the on-screen keyboard and need a bigger phrase area... Locabulary/MyVoice could be nice (as location based), but don't have good phrase management or prediction. I haven't tested yet is Mobile112 yet (as our Android phone reinstalled itself) but I don't think it has either, either... He can not touch type in the same way on the lightwriter keyboard.
> So, does anyone know an app with: > 1 Prediction (in-line + list) > 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) > 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). > 4 Accepts an external keyboard. > .....That would work on iOS/Android ?!
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In typing mode the area the words go into first is big and you can remove the smaller line at the top, but it will also be removed when he went into grid mode. I haven't tried any others except a few free ones to review for ataxia site, as someone asked me for a free one as they were skint after paying for the iPad!
I always knew I was going with P2G though as I use AssistiveWare's Keystrokes on my Mac's and the prediction on P2G now works the same with Multi-word prediction so can predict rest of sentence. I don't have to often press many keys now my vocab is in memory. I find it really speeds things up for me, but I never looked for any other apps so don't know if any others have the same flexibility to make your own pages from scratch if you want to. My set up is completely different from what you initially download when you buy it.
Why does he need location context? Is your client able to make his own pages for specific situations? I have some specifically for doctors visits to discuss my condition etc. The buttons in grid mode can be made as big or small as you need whereas in some apps they are fixed like WordPower, and the one by Therapy Box (the name escapes me right now)
I can send you some demo screenshots tomorrow if you like so you can imagine page set ups?
Kati
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:12, "Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST)"<simon.ju...@nhs.net> wrote:
> That is cute, great find Kati! I thought you meant a keyguard I'd seen for the standard iPad keyboard.
> OK that _could_ get over one of the issues (though I'd need to try him as the key pitch and feel will be different). Now I'd need a text based app to do:
>> 1 Prediction (in-line + list) >> 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) >> 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). > 4b. Uses the iOs-iPad keyboard
> Any ideas?
> Cheers
> Simon
> -----Original Message----- > From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:45 PM > To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
> The Touchfire is not a keyguard as such, it gives each key a physical key to press like a keyboard.
> I use shortcuts for sentence beginnings to speed things up and the multi word prediction often predicts the rest. eg 'do you want to go to' would be dywg then the prediction would suggest my places. If you type it in once with right words and add full stop it saves them then next time you typed in that shortcut all the place names would come up (depending how many predictions you have chosen or most frequent).
> I'm currently designing my own grid version so the pre-stored sentences that I use will come up within the typing space without me having to remove the overlay/keyguard to go from typing to grid mode in the middle of conversations. As I mostly use typing page for spontaneous chat but have stuff like address, and other common explanations on a 'my phrases' page in the grid view of P2G.
> Kati
> On 27 Mar 2012, at 18:34, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
>> Thanks Kati,
>> Thanks for the ideas -
>> RE the key guard - I have considered this, and it is a nice idea (I'm really interested in the potential of key guards on capacitative touch screens and we are currently playing with a few things RE this), but he really does need a real keyboard with the same key-pitch and tactile feedback I think to maintain his current typing ability....
>> RE P2G - The external keyboard works nicely, yes (the on-screen one disappears, which is cute) but I don't think the phrase management is easy/good enough really, it isn't really phrase management more 'putting things in cells'... By phrase management I mean the ability to search for a phrase from a string you are typing, the ability to put them in categories and ideally 'recency' and 'location' context... Also, I think it is amazing (for my client) the difference in-line prediction makes over 'press the screen /F1' prediction... It basically means he can keep his touch-typing 'posture' which takes a bit of time to get into (and so makes moving hands to touch the screen not worthwhile).
>> I think I might be being optimistic (!), but thought it worth checking >> before going down another route. (-;
>> Cheers
>> Simon
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:12 PM >> To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
>> There is an overlay now for the iPad keyboard in landscape mode so he would have physical feedback which can easily be removed when he needed to access other apps. I'm thinking of getting one too but I'm waiting to see if I decided to go with iPad3 or wait to upgrade to the next one.
>> Also Proloquo2go has a nice big keyboard in typing mode and the prediction can be as big or small as you want it to be. The shortcuts in the iOS5 also work in P2G typing mode so you can pre-make sentences and abbreviations and use them in P2G as well as composing email or writing notes in other apps.
>> I was going to get a keyguard but I noticed the new iPad3 keyboard has an extra key for the dictation so I'd have to get another keyguard if I upgraded to iPad3. I will wait and see if they bring out an overlay for the newer iPad keyboard before I upgrade.
>> The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with iPad so he could mount iPad screen to chair and have keyboard on lap to type on iPad?..he'd still need to press screen for prediction but the shortcuts he created in iOS5 should work on the physical keyboard?
>> Kati
>> On 27 Mar 2012, at 17:41, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
>> He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think the battery life/weight/heat out doesn't compare as well on these as to the iOs or android devices (and it seems overkill).
>> I was hoping that either GridPlayer or Tobii's app offerings would allow 'syncing' of phrases from a main device (his laptop) to an occasional one (his iPad/equivalent), but this has not been implemented (which I think is a real shame).
>> Next tack is to look to use a real, Bluetooth keyboard, with an app that has (in-line) prediction and phrase management. I was hoping that predictable would fit this bill, but it does not accept an external keyboard. Verbally could be OK,but I don't want the on-screen keyboard and need a bigger phrase area... Locabulary/MyVoice could be nice (as location based), but don't have good phrase management or prediction. I haven't tested yet is Mobile112 yet (as our Android phone reinstalled itself) but I don't think it has either, either... He can not touch type in the same way on the lightwriter keyboard.
>> So, does anyone know an app with: >> 1 Prediction (in-line + list) >> 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) >> 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). >> 4 Accepts an external keyboard. >> .....That would work on iOS/Android ?!
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Certainly, sorry: by inline, I mean that the suggested (most likely) word appears in the line you are typing (but, for example, shaded) and you select it by pressing space bar, or keep typing until it is correct or you have finished the word [1]. The common issue cited with word prediction is that you have to use cognitive effort and time to scan the list of predicted words (and often only use the first words) and in-line gets over this I think. It is particularly pertinent for my user as, as I say, 'resetting' his hands to the touch-typing positions after having moved them to press the screen or an F button takes some time.
Your use of abbreviation expansion is really interesting - are you combining it with the prediction in P2G or the native iOs prediction? Yes, screen shots would be good!
He doesn't need location context, that would just be cute/potentially useful, he does need good/easy phrase management though and I don't think adding stuff to cells would work for him, though it does for you. The current apps with location context in seem to be '1 trick ponies' I think - i.e. don't have decent phrase management/prediction too...
Cheers
Simon
[1] I have put a rough version (without phrases) of the grid he is currently using here, as an example if you have The Grid: http://grids.sensorysoftware.com/en/simon-judge/simpletalk-keyboard It is a kind of prediction originally developed for use by programmers I believe/guess, but that's another story!
-----Original Message----- From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:39 PM To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
What do you mean exactly by 'in-line prediction'?
In typing mode the area the words go into first is big and you can remove the smaller line at the top, but it will also be removed when he went into grid mode. I haven't tried any others except a few free ones to review for ataxia site, as someone asked me for a free one as they were skint after paying for the iPad!
I always knew I was going with P2G though as I use AssistiveWare's Keystrokes on my Mac's and the prediction on P2G now works the same with Multi-word prediction so can predict rest of sentence. I don't have to often press many keys now my vocab is in memory. I find it really speeds things up for me, but I never looked for any other apps so don't know if any others have the same flexibility to make your own pages from scratch if you want to. My set up is completely different from what you initially download when you buy it.
Why does he need location context? Is your client able to make his own pages for specific situations? I have some specifically for doctors visits to discuss my condition etc. The buttons in grid mode can be made as big or small as you need whereas in some apps they are fixed like WordPower, and the one by Therapy Box (the name escapes me right now)
I can send you some demo screenshots tomorrow if you like so you can imagine page set ups?
Kati
Sent from my iPad
On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:12, "Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST)"<simon.ju...@nhs.net> wrote:
> That is cute, great find Kati! I thought you meant a keyguard I'd seen for the standard iPad keyboard.
> OK that _could_ get over one of the issues (though I'd need to try him as the key pitch and feel will be different). Now I'd need a text based app to do:
>> 1 Prediction (in-line + list) >> 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) >> 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). > 4b. Uses the iOs-iPad keyboard
> Any ideas?
> Cheers
> Simon
> -----Original Message----- > From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com > [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:45 PM > To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
> The Touchfire is not a keyguard as such, it gives each key a physical key to press like a keyboard.
> I use shortcuts for sentence beginnings to speed things up and the multi word prediction often predicts the rest. eg 'do you want to go to' would be dywg then the prediction would suggest my places. If you type it in once with right words and add full stop it saves them then next time you typed in that shortcut all the place names would come up (depending how many predictions you have chosen or most frequent).
> I'm currently designing my own grid version so the pre-stored sentences that I use will come up within the typing space without me having to remove the overlay/keyguard to go from typing to grid mode in the middle of conversations. As I mostly use typing page for spontaneous chat but have stuff like address, and other common explanations on a 'my phrases' page in the grid view of P2G.
> Kati
> On 27 Mar 2012, at 18:34, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
>> Thanks Kati,
>> Thanks for the ideas -
>> RE the key guard - I have considered this, and it is a nice idea (I'm really interested in the potential of key guards on capacitative touch screens and we are currently playing with a few things RE this), but he really does need a real keyboard with the same key-pitch and tactile feedback I think to maintain his current typing ability....
>> RE P2G - The external keyboard works nicely, yes (the on-screen one disappears, which is cute) but I don't think the phrase management is easy/good enough really, it isn't really phrase management more 'putting things in cells'... By phrase management I mean the ability to search for a phrase from a string you are typing, the ability to put them in categories and ideally 'recency' and 'location' context... Also, I think it is amazing (for my client) the difference in-line prediction makes over 'press the screen /F1' prediction... It basically means he can keep his touch-typing 'posture' which takes a bit of time to get into (and so makes moving hands to touch the screen not worthwhile).
>> I think I might be being optimistic (!), but thought it worth >> checking before going down another route. (-;
>> Cheers
>> Simon
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:12 PM >> To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
>> There is an overlay now for the iPad keyboard in landscape mode so he would have physical feedback which can easily be removed when he needed to access other apps. I'm thinking of getting one too but I'm waiting to see if I decided to go with iPad3 or wait to upgrade to the next one.
>> Also Proloquo2go has a nice big keyboard in typing mode and the prediction can be as big or small as you want it to be. The shortcuts in the iOS5 also work in P2G typing mode so you can pre-make sentences and abbreviations and use them in P2G as well as composing email or writing notes in other apps.
>> I was going to get a keyguard but I noticed the new iPad3 keyboard has an extra key for the dictation so I'd have to get another keyguard if I upgraded to iPad3. I will wait and see if they bring out an overlay for the newer iPad keyboard before I upgrade.
>> The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with iPad so he could mount iPad screen to chair and have keyboard on lap to type on iPad?..he'd still need to press screen for prediction but the shortcuts he created in iOS5 should work on the physical keyboard?
>> Kati
>> On 27 Mar 2012, at 17:41, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
>> He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think the battery life/weight/heat out doesn't compare as well on these as to the iOs or android devices (and it seems overkill).
>> I was hoping that either GridPlayer or Tobii's app offerings would allow 'syncing' of phrases from a main device (his laptop) to an occasional one (his iPad/equivalent), but this has not been implemented (which I think is a real shame).
>> Next tack is to look to use a real, Bluetooth keyboard, with an app that has (in-line) prediction and phrase management. I was hoping that predictable would fit this bill, but it does not accept an external keyboard. Verbally could be OK,but I don't want the on-screen keyboard and need a bigger phrase area... Locabulary/MyVoice could be nice (as location based), but don't have good phrase management or prediction. I haven't tested yet is Mobile112 yet (as our Android phone reinstalled itself) but I don't think it has either, either... He can not touch type in the same way on the lightwriter keyboard.
>> So, does anyone know an app with: >> 1 Prediction (in-line + list) >> 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) >> 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). >> 4 Accepts an external keyboard. >> .....That would work on iOS/Android ?!
I find P2G's prediction easy to use. I type with the bottom of my little finger on left hand, (or thumb sometimes depending on the keyboard I'm using). as keeping hand in fist tends to reduce shake, (I have Ataxia with Dystonia) so tend to get alot of intention tremor trying to keep index finger extended and aiming and my right hand locks up (although I was originally right handed for 40 yrs!) cos of the Dystonia so had to re-learn to be left handed for some things!
I have a roll of foam under wrist to stop whole hand touching all keys and aim pinkie on key/button so I do better with it on my lap on a Trabasack tray than mounted vertically.
I set up my abbreviation-expansion via the control panel on iOS and use them sometimes as complete sentences to save typing 'wydt' is 'What have you been doing today?'.. I prefer this way cos I can save it as a proper sentence and still speak a proper sentence but reduce the amount of typing I have to do.
If the iOS word completion comes up with the word before the prediction does (for a word I've never typed before) I just press space and use that one. whichever will be the quickest way really.
I'll send the pics tomorrow it will be later as I have friend visiting in morning.
Kati
On 27 Mar 2012, at 23:11, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
> Certainly, sorry: by inline, I mean that the suggested (most likely) word appears in the line you are typing (but, for example, shaded) and you select it by pressing space bar, or keep typing until it is correct or you have finished the word [1]. The common issue cited with word prediction is that you have to use cognitive effort and time to scan the list of predicted words (and often only use the first words) and in-line gets over this I think. It is particularly pertinent for my user as, as I say, 'resetting' his hands to the touch-typing positions after having moved them to press the screen or an F button takes some time.
> Your use of abbreviation expansion is really interesting - are you combining it with the prediction in P2G or the native iOs prediction? Yes, screen shots would be good!
> He doesn't need location context, that would just be cute/potentially useful, he does need good/easy phrase management though and I don't think adding stuff to cells would work for him, though it does for you. The current apps with location context in seem to be '1 trick ponies' I think - i.e. don't have decent phrase management/prediction too...
> Cheers
> Simon
> [1] I have put a rough version (without phrases) of the grid he is currently using here, as an example if you have The Grid: > http://grids.sensorysoftware.com/en/simon-judge/simpletalk-keyboard > It is a kind of prediction originally developed for use by programmers I believe/guess, but that's another story!
> -----Original Message----- > From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 10:39 PM > To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
> What do you mean exactly by 'in-line prediction'?
> In typing mode the area the words go into first is big and you can remove the smaller line at the top, but it will also be removed when he went into grid mode. I haven't tried any others except a few free ones to review for ataxia site, as someone asked me for a free one as they were skint after paying for the iPad!
> I always knew I was going with P2G though as I use AssistiveWare's Keystrokes on my Mac's and the prediction on P2G now works the same with Multi-word prediction so can predict rest of sentence. I don't have to often press many keys now my vocab is in memory. I find it really speeds things up for me, but I never looked for any other apps so don't know if any others have the same flexibility to make your own pages from scratch if you want to. My set up is completely different from what you initially download when you buy it.
> Why does he need location context? Is your client able to make his own pages for specific situations? I have some specifically for doctors visits to discuss my condition etc. The buttons in grid mode can be made as big or small as you need whereas in some apps they are fixed like WordPower, and the one by Therapy Box (the name escapes me right now)
> I can send you some demo screenshots tomorrow if you like so you can imagine page set ups?
> Kati
> Sent from my iPad
> On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:12, "Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST)"<simon.ju...@nhs.net> wrote:
>> That is cute, great find Kati! I thought you meant a keyguard I'd seen for the standard iPad keyboard.
>> OK that _could_ get over one of the issues (though I'd need to try him as the key pitch and feel will be different). Now I'd need a text based app to do:
>>> 1 Prediction (in-line + list) >>> 2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message) >>> 3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context). >> 4b. Uses the iOs-iPad keyboard
>> Any ideas?
>> Cheers
>> Simon
>> -----Original Message----- >> From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:45 PM >> To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
>> The Touchfire is not a keyguard as such, it gives each key a physical key to press like a keyboard.
>> I use shortcuts for sentence beginnings to speed things up and the multi word prediction often predicts the rest. eg 'do you want to go to' would be dywg then the prediction would suggest my places. If you type it in once with right words and add full stop it saves them then next time you typed in that shortcut all the place names would come up (depending how many predictions you have chosen or most frequent).
>> I'm currently designing my own grid version so the pre-stored sentences that I use will come up within the typing space without me having to remove the overlay/keyguard to go from typing to grid mode in the middle of conversations. As I mostly use typing page for spontaneous chat but have stuff like address, and other common explanations on a 'my phrases' page in the grid view of P2G.
>> Kati
>> On 27 Mar 2012, at 18:34, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
>>> Thanks Kati,
>>> Thanks for the ideas -
>>> RE the key guard - I have considered this, and it is a nice idea (I'm really interested in the potential of key guards on capacitative touch screens and we are currently playing with a few things RE this), but he really does need a real keyboard with the same key-pitch and tactile feedback I think to maintain his current typing ability....
>>> RE P2G - The external keyboard works nicely, yes (the on-screen one disappears, which is cute) but I don't think the phrase management is easy/good enough really, it isn't really phrase management more 'putting things in cells'... By phrase management I mean the ability to search for a phrase from a string you are typing, the ability to put them in categories and ideally 'recency' and 'location' context... Also, I think it is amazing (for my client) the difference in-line prediction makes over 'press the screen /F1' prediction... It basically means he can keep his touch-typing 'posture' which takes a bit of time to get into (and so makes moving hands to touch the screen not worthwhile).
>>> I think I might be being optimistic (!), but thought it worth >>> checking before going down another route. (-;
>>> Cheers
>>> Simon
>>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Katilea >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 6:12 PM >>> To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
>>> There is an overlay now for the iPad keyboard in landscape mode so he would have physical feedback which can easily be removed when he needed to access other apps. I'm thinking of getting one too but I'm waiting to see if I decided to go with iPad3 or wait to upgrade to the next one.
>>> Also Proloquo2go has a nice big keyboard in typing mode and the prediction can be as big or small as you want it to be. The shortcuts in the iOS5 also work in P2G typing mode so you can pre-make sentences and abbreviations and use them in P2G as well as composing email or writing notes in other apps.
>>> I was going to get a keyguard but I noticed the new iPad3 keyboard has an extra key for the dictation so I'd have to get another keyguard if I upgraded to iPad3. I will wait and see if they bring out an overlay for the newer iPad keyboard before I upgrade.
>>> The Apple bluetooth keyboard does work with iPad so he could mount iPad screen to chair and have keyboard on lap to type on iPad?..he'd still need to press screen for prediction but the shortcuts he created in iOS5 should work on the physical keyboard?
>>> Kati
>>> On 27 Mar 2012, at 17:41, Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
>>> He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think
You can do it using Gridplayer - no, you probably can't sync his existing phrases as only certain grid sets can be used within gridplayer but I've adapted the symbol sets that are preprogramed in gridplayer to suit the needs of my pupils on the iPad so if he already has grid2 the app can be edited for free J
Caroline
From: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Judge Simon (BARNSLEY HOSPITAL NHS FOUNDATION TRUST) Sent: 27 March 2012 17:41 To: cm-aac-forum@googlegroups.com Subject: [AAC Forum] Text/Phrase based, keyboard compatible app
Hi,
I have a client who has a preference (and best access method is) using a real physical keyboard (he touch types, medium slowly). He is currently using a laptop (with Grid2 with simple phrase banking/prediction with keyboard shortcuts setup - I would have used Windbag/similar but he prefers in-line prediction) as a communication aid at home successfully and tends to write long phrases.
He wants a more portable device and I have been investigating the options. I know about the windows based options (i.e. a Vliv style device), but think the battery life/weight/heat out doesn't compare as well on these as to the iOs or android devices (and it seems overkill).
I was hoping that either GridPlayer or Tobii's app offerings would allow 'syncing' of phrases from a main device (his laptop) to an occasional one (his iPad/equivalent), but this has not been implemented (which I think is a real shame).
Next tack is to look to use a real, Bluetooth keyboard, with an app that has (in-line) prediction and phrase management. I was hoping that predictable would fit this bill, but it does not accept an external keyboard. Verbally could be OK,but I don't want the on-screen keyboard and need a bigger phrase area... Locabulary/MyVoice could be nice (as location based), but don't have good phrase management or prediction. I haven't tested yet is Mobile112 yet (as our Android phone reinstalled itself) but I don't think it has either, either... He can not touch type in the same way on the lightwriter keyboard.
So, does anyone know an app with:
1 Prediction (in-line + list)
2 Large 'chat-area' (i.e. current message)
3 Good phrase management (ideally including location context).
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