Call to Action: UCI Working Group

[Reuven Cohen]

I'd like to thank everyone who has recently joined the CCIF discussion group. I won't respond directly to all the messages, but I will state that I too believe that open standards are the only way that cloud will be truly successful.

In regards to the last few posts, the one thing I keep hearing over and over are the bits and pieces of what we're trying to do that have already been created to some degree. I think one of the things that the CCIF as well as our events have provided to the broader cloud computing community is an open dialog between the "established powers" and the new generation of provocateurs (myself included). This group is a perfect example consisting of a variety of companies and individuals from almost all aspects of the cloud / IT industry, big and small. I can't help but think that traditionally the development of standards and related protocols (open or closed) has been an exclusive club limited to only the largest companies who were able to pay to play. What the emergence of the cloud and related social technologies has given us the ability to do is publicly iterate on the development of standards. What used to take years now can happen in days. ( Jayshree Ullal comments about the advancements made in 'cloud networking' are perfect -- "more has been achieved in the last 100 days of Cloud Networking than is possible in 100 weeks")

Jesse Silver, Dave Neilsen, John Willis, Sam Charrington and few others suggested we create a working group to help drive the conversations forward. I agree, I feel we need to start working on something that may not be perfect, but instead is something that actually starts to take shape in a functional form.  So my question to the group is rather then continually talk about the opportunities (past, present and future). Why don't we instead start to do something about it, something tangible, something we can achieve in the next 100 days.

If you're interested in getting involved, we've created a google code group at http://code.google.com/p/unifiedcloud/ for this very reason. I invite anyone who is interested in getting involved to send me your email address and I'll make sure you're added as a contributor on our google code site.

Reuven
CCIF Instigator
www.cloudforum.org

[JP Morgenthal]

I believe there are those that will benefit immediately from participating in this effort and there are those that want the opportunity to contribute, but who's daily efforts do not allow them to participate deeply in these efforts.  To that end, I recommend that there be a core group, probably made up mostly of vendors and implementers and then a secondary group of reviewers. 

It will be up to the core group to manage how large the review group gets since they will have to process the feedback.

Thoughts? Flames?

JP
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[Gary Mazzaferro]

We need to have end users involved from the get go.

gm

JP Morgenthal wrote:
> I believe there are those that will benefit immediately from
> participating in this effort and there are those that want the
> opportunity to contribute, but who's daily efforts do not allow them
> to participate deeply in these efforts. To that end, I recommend that
> there be a core group, probably made up mostly of vendors and
> implementers and then a secondary group of reviewers.
>
> It will be up to the core group to manage how large the review group
> gets since they will have to process the feedback.
>
> Thoughts? Flames?
>
> JP
> -----------------------------------------------
> JP Morgenthal
> cell : 703-554-5301

> email: jpmorg...@gmail.com <mailto:jpmorg...@gmail.com>
> email: m...@jpmorgenthal.com <mailto:m...@jpmorgenthal.com>
> twitter: www.twitter.com/jpmorgenthal
> <http://www.twitter.com/jpmorgenthal>
> blog: www.jpmorgenthal.com/morgenthal
> <http://www.jpmorgenthal.com/morgenthal>

>
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Reuven Cohen <r...@enomaly.com
> <mailto:r...@enomaly.com>> wrote:
>
> I'd like to thank everyone who has recently joined the CCIF
> discussion group. I won't respond directly to all the messages,
> but I will state that I too believe that open standards are the
> only way that cloud will be truly successful.
>
> In regards to the last few posts, the one thing I keep hearing
> over and over are the bits and pieces of what we're trying to do
> that have already been created to some degree. I think one of the
> things that the CCIF as well as our events have provided to the
> broader cloud computing community is an open dialog between the
> "established powers" and the new generation of provocateurs
> (myself included). This group is a perfect example consisting of a
> variety of companies and individuals from almost all aspects of
> the cloud / IT industry, big and small. I can't help but think
> that traditionally the development of standards and related
> protocols (open or closed) has been an exclusive club limited to
> only the largest companies who were able to pay to play. What the
> emergence of the cloud and related social technologies has given
> us the ability to do is publicly iterate on the development of
> standards. What used to take years now can happen in days. (

> Jayshree Ullal <http://www.aristanetworks.com/jayshree/blog>

> comments about the advancements made in 'cloud networking' are
> perfect -- "more has been achieved in the last 100 days of Cloud
> Networking than is possible in 100 weeks")
>
> Jesse Silver, Dave Neilsen, John Willis, Sam Charrington and few
> others suggested we create a working group to help drive the
> conversations forward. I agree, I feel we need to start working on
> something that may not be perfect, but instead is something that
> actually starts to take shape in a functional form. So my
> question to the group is rather then continually talk about the
> opportunities (past, present and future). Why don't we instead
> start to do something about it, something tangible, something we
> can achieve in the next 100 days.
>
> If you're interested in getting involved, we've created a google
> code group at http://code.google.com/p/unifiedcloud/ for this very
> reason. I invite anyone who is interested in getting involved to
> send me your email address and I'll make sure you're added as a
> contributor on our google code site.
>
> Reuven
> CCIF Instigator

> www.cloudforum.org <http://www.cloudforum.org>
>
>
>
>
>
> >

[Krishna Sankar (ksankar)]

I do not think we need two groups – usually people gravitate to what they are passionate about and balance the time available. Everybody is a reviewer and everyone is a contributor – depending on the time available, expertise et al. Usually standards bodies like OASIS and W3C have an open policy for mailer and an attendance policy for meetings/f2f for what is considered the core group. IMHO, that should be sufficient. Don’t forget, there is also the IP declaration (RAND et al) by the participants.

 

Cheers

<k/>  

[kevin yi]

OH,I want to be the end user to test it..

[Stefan Lorimer]

I'm in a position to be an end user and potentially test.
Having a growing membership across multiple installs in multiple databases.

Need to establish a cloud-based file storage system in the coming year.

Stefan

[Drue Reeves]

This is the conversation that Gary and I had a few days ago. One of the areas where standards bodies often fail are the lack of end user driven requirements. End users should be sought after to be part of the group.

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[Mukesh G]

Does the participant have to agree to any clauses to be part of this group?

Thanks

Mukesh

[Gary Mazzaferro]

Drue,

The info was passed onto Ruv.

Group:

I'd like to start the end user interop team/group. I very very busy this
week. I'll talk with some cable industry participants next week. Cable
Labs is right in my town.

-gm