What about wiki-fying these dicusssions

[Stefan]

I see the cloud computing ontology work as a perfect opportunity to
move parts of the forum discussions into a more collaborative-oriented
(more into the cloud?!? ... pun intended ;)) framework - maybe wiki-
like format ?!?

... which also brings me to the next question - who is driving:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing

and

http://wiki.cloudcommunity.org/wiki/Main_Page ?

Stefan

[jamesurquhart]

Sam Johnston drove the Wikipedia article.

http://samj.net

James

[Sam Johnston]

G'day,

I actually wrote and actively maintain both of them pretty much single-handedly.

I would have been contributing here but my posts are moderated because I've previously been critical of Enomaly (as evidenced by the delay/disappearance of this reply). My recent flurry of Enomaly ECP vulnerabilities probably doesn't help, but I wasn't aware that being critical of any one vendor should limit a researcher's involvement in the standards process.

Anyway my interoperability efforts are being focused elsewhere (more on that later) as while some of the noise on this list is entertaining (including pretty much every post containing the word 'metaverse') I am quite convinced that nothing particularly interesting nor useful will come from it in the foreseeable future (nothing has in the last 6 months and there's still talk about settling on a definition).

I'd happily work with others, but it won't be in any forum controlled by the Enomaly gang. I'm also quite busy this week "Saving the Netbooks"[3] given that a coherent client base is critical for cloud computing (with surprising success I might add, thanks in no small part to Dell's stepping up as a 'white knight').

Cheers,

Sam

1. http://vs.aka-online.de/cgi-bin/wppagehiststat.pl?lang=en.wikipedia&page=cloud%20computing
2. http://www.google.com/search?q=enomaly+vulnerability
3. http://www.savethenetbooks.com/

[Dave Nielsen]

Hi Sam,

It looks like you aren't being moderated after all. ;-) But for future reference, this is a forum for discussing interoperability issues and advocating other Cloud Computing-related efforts. It is not a place for attacking vendors, especially for non-interoperability issues.

That said, since you are obviously someone with something to say about interoperability, I am interested to hear your point of view. Even pointing out where someone is wrong or gone off track can be useful. And if not in this forum, then perhaps at one of the CloudCamps (bi-monthly) or CCIF meetings (quarterly) such as the one in New York on April 2nd.  I can assure you that there is no moderation at these events.

I can also assure you, that by April 2nd, something useful will come out of this group. It may not be earth shattering, and in fact, it might just be a small step. But that really depends on where the members of this group take us. And it won't go anywhere without positive contributions from people like you.

I hope you will join us. Until then, good luck with "savethenetbooks.com"

Dave Nielsen
Developer Community Consultant, Platform D
Co-founder, CloudCamp
m: 415-531-6674 (US)

[Stefan]

My original post/question was meant to exclusively raise the issue of
directing the efforts with - maybe! - a better framework. I do not
personally like absolute characterizations of any sort: "nothing [gets
done]", "[I do] everything", etc., so I am rather of the opinion that
we keep building knowledge as we move along, and as it usually happens
under circumstances involving people with something to contribute
based on their experience & background. So - a forum like this, even
with the capabilities of archiving and search like the ones offered by
google groups (and the underlying engine), is not enough (again - in
my opinion). I have worked on similar projects when all we've had at
our disposal had been Usenet & mailing lists, and - much later (after
struggling with rudimentary tools developed by people with access to
servers) - "dejanews" and archive tools, but this was over 10 years
ago. Couldn't we find better collaborative tools, nowadays, able to
assist with multiple contributions, keeping original content and
history of changes, allowing evolution of material and recording
stages of what's being attempted?!?

Stefan