CloudCamp in The cloud Practice Session

[Reuven Cohen]

Anyone up for a CloudCamp in The Cloud practice session next Wednesday
21st at 11am Eastern?

We also need to spread the word, so please blog, twitter and tell you
neighbors.

reuven

[PaulLancaster]

I'm ready for it Ruv.

[Raja Srinivasan]

Absolutely. Sign me up...

Thanks & Regards
Raja Srinivasan

[Sam Charrington]

What's the registration count?

[Reuven Cohen]

Currently 75, maybe we should put a bit of a push on the PR campaign.

r/c

[Pat Wendorf]

Squishing my hour long presentation into 5 minutes ;)

I have some local folks I can promote this to as well.

[Dave Nielsen]

Good idea. Here's what I can do ...

I'm helping organizing 4 CloudCamp's the following week (Phoenix, Orlando, Indianapolis and Atlanta) and will add mention of "CC in the Cloud" on each registration confirmation email. And of course on the CloudCamp home page.

Anyone else have any ideas?

Dave

Dave Nielsen
Co-founder, CloudCamp
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skype/twitter: davenielsen
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[Sam Charrington]

How about a global email to prior CC attendees?

[Kevin Jackson]

I will do a blog post on it.

Kevin L Jackson
kjack...@yahoo.com
(703) 335-0830
FAX (866) 479-6660
http://kevinljackson.blogspot.com
httP://Twitter.com/Kevin_Jackson

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From: Dave Nielsen <dnie...@gmail.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:00:05 -0700

To: <clou...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: CloudCamp in The cloud Practice Session

[Michael Fehse]

put me on the list....

Best regards,

Michael Fehse

http://www.i-c-s-t.eu

[Geva Perry]

1. There is no link to it on the main CloudCamp page http://www.cloudcamp.com/

2. I will blog about it as well

[Peyton Trent Collie]

Me include me on the list as well. 

Cheers,

Peyton

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[Dave Nielsen]

Kevin & Geva, Excellent!

You can use http://www.cloudcamp.com/inthecloud/

It points to the Google Group page, I will redirect it to a CloudCamp page in a few minutes. Either way, it will be the correct URL from now on.

Dave

Dave Nielsen
Co-founder, CloudCamp
m: 415-531-6674
skype/twitter: davenielsen
gtalk: dnielsen

[Dave Nielsen]

Michael & Peyton,

Please go to http://www.cloudcamp.com/inthecloud to register.

Thanks!

Dave

Dave Nielsen
Co-founder, CloudCamp
m: 415-531-6674
skype/twitter: davenielsen
gtalk: dnielsen

[Sam Charrington]

Ruv,

Just noticed the “topic suggestion” page is broken: http://groups.google.com/group/cloudcamp/web/CloudCamp%20in%20The%20Cloud%20Topic%20Suggestions?hl=en

Did you change something or is Google Groups acting up?

Sam

[Dave Nielsen]

Good idea. Let me think about the best way to do it.

There are duplicates across events, so I don't want to send some folks like Uri 20 emails. I'll have to download the lists, dedupe them so I can send just one to everyone.

Ok, that should work!

Dave

[Michael Sheehan]

I will blog about it as well. Do we have a list of points that we want to address? Should we standardize on anything in particular? Summary? Key points? Or just free form it?

 

-Michael

 

From: clou...@googlegroups.com [mailto:clou...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nielsen
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:36 AM
To: clou...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: CloudCamp in The cloud Practice Session

 

Kevin & Geva, Excellent!

You can use http://www.cloudcamp.com/inthecloud/

It points to the Google Group page, I will redirect it to a CloudCamp page in a few minutes. Either way, it will be the correct URL from now on.

Dave

Dave Nielsen
Co-founder, CloudCamp
m: 415-531-6674

skype/twitter: davenielsenewww
gtalk: dnielsen

[Sam Charrington]

Thanks, Michael.

Free form is best, but you can refer back to the official press release for details:
    http://groups.google.com/group/cloudcamp/web/cloudcamp-announces-cloudcamp-in-the-cloud

Note that a few people took “First-Ever Virtual Unconference” as universal, as opposed to for CloudCamp, so it’s better to say “First-Ever Virtual CloudCamp” if you care to highlight that point.

Sam

[Michael Sheehan]

Perfect thanks!

I will probably post something on Monday. Today I’m simply banging my head on my desk about all of the FUD about the Sidekick issues and Cloud Computing.

The Newsfactor.com article specifically. I wish the media would chill out on this.

-M

[Dave Nielsen]

There's definitely something goofy with Google Groups. That page doesn't display, and no matter what I do, I cannot edit or delete it. So I had to create another page and corrected the links on the main CloudCamp in the Cloud page.

The new "Topic Suggestions" page is the same, but with lower case:

•  http://groups.google.com/group/cloudcamp/web/cloudcamp-in-the-cloud-topic-suggestions?hl=en

Dave

Dave Nielsen
Co-founder, CloudCamp
m: 415-531-6674
skype/twitter: davenielsen
gtalk: dnielsen

[G. Hussain Chinoy]

I'm in.

[Eric Hammond]

Dave:

I went to register and then saw that "address" is a required field.

Do you really want to exclude people (like me) who do not want to
share this information?

--
Eric Hammond

On Oct 16, 8:38 am, Dave Nielsen <dniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael & Peyton,
>

> Please go tohttp://www.cloudcamp.com/inthecloudto register.

[Geva Perry]

Michael --

Don't get frustrated. The whole thing will blow over in a couple of days, as it always has.

Geva

[Jorge Guerra]

put me in the list, please
Jorge Guerra
Peru

[Dave Nielsen]

No. You are right. We shouldn't req address. I'll get on that tonite.

Dave

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Dave Nielsen
Principal Consultant, Platform D

[Reuven Cohen]

registration is up to 104, i removed the address fields.


r/c

[Eric Hammond]

I just went to register and then noticed that you're requiring Windows
or Mac.

I don't use either. I'm all Linux (Ubuntu).

Considering that the primary operating system of the biggest player in
the field is Linux, it seems odd to exclude people who are using it.

--
Eric Hammond

[Reuven Cohen]

Since you're the only one to complain you seem to be the minority.. My suggestion is to use a Windows VM or watch the recording afterward.

r/c

[Dave Nielsen]

Hi Eric,

 

There is nothing we can do about it. Our provider supports Windows and Mac.

 

This is an all volunteer effort, so if you'd like to volunteer a solution, then please let us know. It may not help for today, but perhaps we can accomodate Linux desktops next time.

 

Best,

Dave

 

ps. Linux *Servers* are used by the biggest player in the field, not Linux *Desktops" which still only account for ~1% market share. 

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[Eric Hammond]

Dave Nielsen wrote:
> Linux *Servers* are used by the biggest player in the field, not
> Linux *Desktops" which still only account for ~1% market share

> <http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=43>.

Quoting a number like that is not capturing the true impact of what you
are doing.

1% Linux be accurate for a random sampling of consumers in some Internet
populations, but I'm sure you'd agree that the percentage is going to be
greater for tech types who are actually doing things with services like
Amazon EC2.

As a possible upper limit, I'll point out that over a quarter of the
visitors to http://alestic.com are running Linux. [Also of note: more
visitors are running Macs than Windows.] I'll agree that since this
site is targeted towards using Linux on EC2, it will have a higher
percentage of Linux users than an average site hyping "cloud".

So the true percentage of Linux desktop users interested in
participating in CloudCamp in the cloud is probably somewhere between 1
and 25. But consider what these types of hard-core Linux users have to
offer, especially to CloudCamp attendees who are interested in running
Linux servers on the established players like Amazon EC2 or Rackspace or...

Just because I am the only person who spoke up, doesn't mean that there
aren't many more who took a glance and thought, "Oh, another gotomeeting
thing that I can't participate in. On to other things." I've done it
many times myself and nearly did here.

I suppose CloudCamp may have a bias towards Windows. When I sponsored
and attended CloudCampLA it was even held at the Microsoft offices and a
lot of the discussion seemed focused on Windowy things. However, if you
exclude Linux users from events like CloudCamp in the cloud because
there aren't many Linux users, then you will continue to push Linux
users away from CloudCamp, fulfilling your own prophesy that not many
Linux users are interested in CloudCamp.

It's ok to reduce and focus your target audience; you should just be
aware you're doing it.

--
Eric Hammond

[smina vanlerberghe]

Eric,Dave

In light with what you are saying, how would you solve this? Can virtualisation fix it?? Surely, there are no preaching game on the Cloud, we are all welcome regardless of our environment.

Eric,
Have you tried a VM as suggested? Can this help for you to reach to the group in the meantime until you and the CloudCamp members all work out what can be done to solve this situation ? Your points are really valid and need to be accounted for, obviously, we are all experiencing the -dohs!- with joining...guess what, I'm in NZ and timing is not working for me...have to go with it! But it doesn't mean I can't make anything happen for the group....

Cheers,

Smina Vanlerberghe
MBA, Director and Principal Consultant, Memia Ltd | Cloud Consulting
e: sm...@memia.com
m: +64 21 352 752
w: www.memia.com
107-109 Cashel St, Level 1
p: PO Box 30050, Christchurch 8246, New Zealand

2009/10/22 Eric Hammond <eham...@thinksome.com>

[Gabriele Bozzi]

I am in with Eric on this point.

Want some visitor statistics of a "dumb cloud-enabled consultant"
website like mine?

Windows: 34%
Linux: 21%
OSX: 40%
Others: 5%

And my website is everything but Linux: just the word Cloud here and there.
I think the percentage of those using Linux as their ONLY OS and being
ACTIVELY PARTICIPATING to Cloud is far higher than 1%

There is another factor. I cannot prove this, but I suspect that the
"Linux-integralists" are those who are willing to contribute more to
the discussion.. I might be wrong but experience tells me this is
often the case.

Gabriele

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[Gabriele Bozzi]

Smina,

We can't simply ask participants to install a VM runnig Windows.
What about licensing? Not everybody is supposed to have a license of
Windows around.
A demo version? Just for the conference? And then throw it away.

Anyway a hassle that is totally against the principle of having the
CloudCamp in the Clouds: accessibility.
We cannot trade in geographic accessibility for OS-based demographics I think.

When we had this discussion about GotoMeeting I did not realize it was
OS-crippled. The dangers of being a streamlined user and using a
common platform I guess.

Gabriele
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[smina vanlerberghe]

Agreed,

However, I believe some of us are delivering this offering as part of our day to day business...who can offer this deal for free for a Cloud Camp member, huh??

Smina

2009/10/22 Gabriele Bozzi <mabu...@gmail.com>

[Sam Johnston]

Ok so Dave said "perhaps we can accomodate Linux desktops next time". There is literally nothing we can do now so how about looking for a cloud-based desktop provider who'll give you a VDI trial?

I know there was talk of using DimDim and some complaints about changes to their business model... I doubt they're the only provider with such a solution. We could go for WebEx too but I think there was interest in an open solution, was there not?

Sam

[Gabriele Bozzi]

That's the problem. I find no valid solution (at least not for free)
until we maintain this standard for Webconferencing.
I was thinking of a kind of virtual desktop that is, lending a
customized Windows desktop already configured for Webconferencing.
Problem is that you might loose interoperability with your desktop.

Whatever the solution can be, the effort might be far greater than the benefits.

If CCamp wants to keep all relevant demographics (and Linux IS
relevant for Cloud), they need to go platform agnostic for
Webconferences.
I remember I got an offer from the CEO of DIMDIM to have a free room
for the CloudCamp.

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[Gabriele Bozzi]

Definitively Sam,

But, as I mentioned: we got a free room offer from DimDim as well.
All doors open then.

Gabriele
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[Michael Fehse]

Why not set up a virtual machine ?

Best regards,

Michael Fehse

http://www.i-c-s-t.eu