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  <title type="text">Cloud Computing Google Group</title>
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  Welcome ! Conversation is encouraged and expected. However, moderation of comments is necessary to prevent spam, personal attacks, profanity, or off-topic commentary. No Google account ? Try http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/61513/6213F13BB1AA , or write to join.cloud.computing@gmail.com
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  <updated>2008-09-07T20:12:35Z</updated>
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Jan Klincewicz</name>
  <email>jan.klincew...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-07T20:12:35Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/542c899f31102e08/94c91131aa182ae9?show_docid=94c91131aa182ae9</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/542c899f31102e08/94c91131aa182ae9?show_docid=94c91131aa182ae9"/>
  <title type="text">Re: OVF</title>
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  If that is the case, I don&#39;t see how this differs greatly from the V2V tools &lt;br&gt; from Platespin, Vizoncore, HP etc... (except maybe it will be free &lt;br&gt; translations, and use standardized XML, etc. !!) That would certainly make &lt;br&gt; the aforementioned products a bit useless,though eh ?? &lt;br&gt; As it stands, a V2V conversion lists for about 100 per. Granted this is
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Stuart Charlton</name>
  <email>stuartcharl...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-07T18:48:53Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/542c899f31102e08/769bd2207605fbbf?show_docid=769bd2207605fbbf</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/542c899f31102e08/769bd2207605fbbf?show_docid=769bd2207605fbbf"/>
  <title type="text">Re: OVF</title>
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  From what I understand (to date), OVF standardizes the metadata for a &lt;br&gt; VM image or a group of interrelated VM images. It&#39;s an aggregation &lt;br&gt; of several CIM profiles for virtual systems. It doesn&#39;t specify a &lt;br&gt; disk format (so we&#39;ll still be stuck with VMDK, etc.). &lt;br&gt; But, still useful to be able to standardize the definition (one
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Andrew G</name>
  <email>andrew.go...@capgemini.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-07T18:08:19Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/afc8bcc2ad80f924/76b1a623b5d44eeb?show_docid=76b1a623b5d44eeb</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/afc8bcc2ad80f924/76b1a623b5d44eeb?show_docid=76b1a623b5d44eeb"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Amazon Web Services Security Whitepaper</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  The level of detail was mentioned further up. One thing it is worth &lt;br&gt; bearing in mind is that publishing these kinds of things is a tricky &lt;br&gt; balancing act. On one hand, you could be confident that you have the &lt;br&gt; best protection in the industry. Nevertheless, some part of the &lt;br&gt; system is going to be relatively more vulnerable than another.
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Jan Klincewicz</name>
  <email>jan.klincew...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-07T15:10:39Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/542c899f31102e08/efcbbab0ccf078d2?show_docid=efcbbab0ccf078d2</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/542c899f31102e08/efcbbab0ccf078d2?show_docid=efcbbab0ccf078d2"/>
  <title type="text">Re: OVF</title>
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  Essentially, this will be a common format for hypervisors to recognize. It &lt;br&gt; may or may not supplant the proprietary or semi-proprietary formats which &lt;br&gt; now exist (VHD, VMDK etc.) &lt;br&gt; This will lead towards ease of migrating VMs among differing hypervisors. I &lt;br&gt; am not quite sure how easy this will be as some virt techniques use
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Christopher Steel</name>
  <email>cst...@fortmoon.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-07T14:46:24Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/afc8bcc2ad80f924/d190670de3a339c2?show_docid=d190670de3a339c2</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/afc8bcc2ad80f924/d190670de3a339c2?show_docid=d190670de3a339c2"/>
  <title type="text">RE: Amazon Web Services Security Whitepaper</title>
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  Tim, &lt;br&gt; That is why, as a customer, you always ask for the independent, &lt;br&gt; third-party security audit reports. I am doing work for a managed services &lt;br&gt; provider and our financial customers always insist on security audits. They &lt;br&gt; cover all of the physical security procedures along with who has had access &lt;br&gt; for the past 12 months, what their access privileges ware and what they have
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>gaurav somani</name>
  <email>onlineengin...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-07T12:59:56Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/542c899f31102e08/62c3246a10509c95?show_docid=62c3246a10509c95</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/542c899f31102e08/62c3246a10509c95?show_docid=62c3246a10509c95"/>
  <title type="text">OVF</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  Hi group &lt;br&gt; I saw the news about Open virtualization machine format developed by VMware, &lt;br&gt; XenSource and other virtualization giants. &lt;br&gt; Is it certainly going to help the server virtualization community? &lt;br&gt; What type of things are there to be improved in OVF? &lt;br&gt; Gaurav somani &lt;br&gt; Graduate Researcher, INDIA &lt;br&gt; gaurav_som...@daiict.ac.in
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Rich Wellner</name>
  <email>goo...@objenv.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-07T12:53:41Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/56afdb4f34eb7304/8f77061db280d95f?show_docid=8f77061db280d95f</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/56afdb4f34eb7304/8f77061db280d95f?show_docid=8f77061db280d95f"/>
  <title type="text">Re: amazon elastic cloud as a render farm</title>
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  Since you mention LSF and licensing, I&#39;ll put on my corporate hat and &lt;br&gt; shill for a moment. &lt;br&gt; Folks interested in saving a bunch of cash, compared to the scheduler &lt;br&gt; above, doing HPC applications on EC2 should check out our recent white &lt;br&gt; paper on this subject. &lt;br&gt; &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=nofollow href=&quot;http://www.univaud.com/hpc/wp-unicluster-amazon-ec2.php&quot;&gt;[link]&lt;/a&gt;
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <email>no...@digitalphenomena.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-06T23:37:33Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/56afdb4f34eb7304/a2369fdf03d20a9f?show_docid=a2369fdf03d20a9f</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/56afdb4f34eb7304/a2369fdf03d20a9f?show_docid=a2369fdf03d20a9f"/>
  <title type="text">RE: amazon elastic cloud as a render farm</title>
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    &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Uwe, &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Can I ask what your application is? &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt; I am building such a system targeted towards both 3D distributed &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;rendering and 2D image composting making use of a 3D graphics card for the acceleration (which has to be emulated on the Amazon system. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Regards, &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;  &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Michael North
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  </entry>
  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Khazret Sapenov</name>
  <email>sape...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-06T23:29:49Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/56afdb4f34eb7304/34eb24301f5786f0?show_docid=34eb24301f5786f0</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/56afdb4f34eb7304/34eb24301f5786f0?show_docid=34eb24301f5786f0"/>
  <title type="text">Re: amazon elastic cloud as a render farm</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Uwe Schmitt &amp;lt;rocksportroc...@googlemail.co m &lt;br&gt; Back in 2006 we did 3D ray tracing on Amazon EC2, &lt;br&gt; as a part of joint project with NBC Universal (they had their data centers &lt;br&gt; maxed, &lt;br&gt; so EC2 was pretty cool and cheap way to get more capacity on demand). &lt;br&gt; Render farm used Maya3D nodes, managed by Platform LSF and NFS shares for
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  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Uwe Schmitt</name>
  <email>rocksportroc...@googlemail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-06T15:49:24Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/56afdb4f34eb7304/6d2bf42831f740a5?show_docid=6d2bf42831f740a5</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/56afdb4f34eb7304/6d2bf42831f740a5?show_docid=6d2bf42831f740a5"/>
  <title type="text">amazon elastic cloud as a render farm</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  Hi, &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;I am looking for software for 3d rendering on amazons elastic cloud. &lt;br&gt; Google and amazons developer pages did not help me. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Greetings, Uwe
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  </entry>
  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Pedro Soria-Rodriguez</name>
  <email>sorr...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-06T21:30:52Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/20507dac75d7596d/996657dcd6d3be91?show_docid=996657dcd6d3be91</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/20507dac75d7596d/996657dcd6d3be91?show_docid=996657dcd6d3be91"/>
  <title type="text">Re: GoGrid Needs to Rethink Security</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  Indeed, using SSL is the easy and straightforward part. &lt;br&gt; The difficult (and more important) part is the security management. This &lt;br&gt; means procedures, processes, and support systems in place to ensure access &lt;br&gt; to information is only available to those who should have access. &lt;br&gt; It is true that if someone at support had access to passwords, this shows
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  </entry>
  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Oscar Koeroo</name>
  <email>okoe...@nikhef.nl</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-06T18:27:21Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/20507dac75d7596d/04017c23045a3527?show_docid=04017c23045a3527</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/20507dac75d7596d/04017c23045a3527?show_docid=04017c23045a3527"/>
  <title type="text">Re: GoGrid Needs to Rethink Security</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  Hi Randall, &lt;br&gt; I&#39;d like to note that if the one-way encryption of the password is MD5, &lt;br&gt; then I can be patient or look it up on a database by people who have &lt;br&gt; been patient for me. To me, that&#39;s not a security advertisement worth &lt;br&gt; noting. The security mechanisms and procedures you expose should be a &lt;br&gt; base line example.
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  </entry>
  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Subra K</name>
  <email>subr...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-06T18:02:08Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/afc8bcc2ad80f924/c5860aeb3d977392?show_docid=c5860aeb3d977392</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/afc8bcc2ad80f924/c5860aeb3d977392?show_docid=c5860aeb3d977392"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Amazon Web Services Security Whitepaper</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  This is a very good move by AWS in the right direction to provide &lt;br&gt; transparency on their security process and controls. They could have &lt;br&gt; laid this document better by highlighting what security process, &lt;br&gt; controls Amazon is responsible Vs Customer responsibility. &lt;br&gt; dom0/firewall DOS risk - My guess is that dom0/firewall are connected
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  </entry>
  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Jim Starkey</name>
  <email>jstar...@nimbusdb.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-06T16:38:44Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/21ea270f75d45604/8335d9962bb3a450?show_docid=8335d9962bb3a450</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/21ea270f75d45604/8335d9962bb3a450?show_docid=8335d9962bb3a450"/>
  <title type="text">Re: Changing the Relational Database paradigm</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  If you don&#39;t need atomic transactions and your data is simple enough to &lt;br&gt; fit into a single row, these guys scale. Very few applications fit &lt;br&gt; naturally into this model, however. Most applications will require &lt;br&gt; major shoehorning, leading to a significant increase in application &lt;br&gt; complexity. This sounds counter intuitive -- a simpler data model that
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  </entry>
  <entry>
  <author>
  <name>Shane Jones</name>
  <email>shanedjo...@gmail.com</email>
  </author>
  <updated>2008-09-06T16:03:00Z</updated>
  <id>http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/20507dac75d7596d/fb03e1a159c6e309?show_docid=fb03e1a159c6e309</id>
  <link href="http://groups.google.com/group/cloud-computing/browse_thread/thread/20507dac75d7596d/fb03e1a159c6e309?show_docid=fb03e1a159c6e309"/>
  <title type="text">Re: GoGrid Needs to Rethink Security</title>
  <summary type="html" xml:space="preserve">
  The customer support rep that I spoke with said that the passwords &lt;br&gt; were encrypted, but not 1-way hash encrypted. They had an internal &lt;br&gt; tool that could lookup customer records and decrypt their password if &lt;br&gt; needed. He didn&#39;t mention the exact encryption method used. &lt;br&gt; &lt;p&gt;Michael, thanks for your blog post and fast action on the issue. Your
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